>>223619445
its language time

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What is fluency?

It's not impossible to learn a language through book study, and you can definitely do it if you're dedicated and hardworking with sufficient free time, but immersion in an actual TL environment is completely effortless compared to grinding anki
From personal experience, I studied Chinese for 4 years only using books, then I got a Chinese gf and we talked only in Chinese for like 12 hours every day, and I learnt more with her in 3 months than I had doing 6-8 hours a week for four years before
At the time my progress just completely eclipsed everyone else in the class and they only started catching up when we all went to China for exchange and they also got to live in a Chinese speaking environment, then some of them (and I) got to the level where passive immersion doesn't do much for you any more and you have to start seeking out difficult media to keep improving vocab

>>223619539
>What is fluency?
Really its whatever point you deem is good enough for your goals.
Du bist gut genug o algo

>>223619539
Being able to talk about complex ideas in said language, even if you do not know the exact words for every such thing. For example, if you could talk about physics in idk, Russian, in the same way a native Russian who doesn't know anything about physics can talk about it. I hope you get what I mean

>>223619539
world domination

>>223619645
Have you ever considered that there could be a middle-ground between "book study" and intense nonstop immersion?

>>223619539
When TL feels as easy as Portuguese and English in your head and you can understand and express yourself effortlessly in it.

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>>223620222
The middle-ground is simply going to the Chinese brothel and engaging in post coitus conversation with the chuzz (chinese huzz)

>>223620346
I'm jealous of non-monolingual speakers. Their default second language is english and they speak it so effortlessly and frequently even say they just naturally adopted it along with their native language. They get to experience two cultures at the same time, a whole other world opened to them while I'm stuck manually learning a second language and failing.

>>223619539
Whatever it is, it’s certainly not when your 2L somehow becomes equal to or supplants your native language.

>>223620410
>They get to experience two cultures at the same time
Bit shit though. Too many Amerikkkans online. What I would give to never interact with one of those "people" ever again.

>>223620410
Why be jealous? The only reason they’re so good at English is because they had to learn it. We know it because it is our birthright.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIWQz6plSLcHEKK-3joB8CMQMXLzRg4p2
This shit comfy

>>223620346
That dream is what keeps me going
>>223620410
If it makes you feel any better, most people have no idea how to learn a language as an adult, and having the experience of learning English as a kid doesn't really help.
So if you actually learn a language as an adult, you're way ahead.

Has anyone used this deck? Any good?
https://github.com/krmanik/Anki-xiehanzi

>>223620554
I fucking being forced to understand american propaganda. I wish they knew a different shitty language from us. The american hold over global politics is so fucking unbareable. Fox level garbage forced upon us to understand and hear no matter how much we hate it.

>>223620710
The average Brit is raped daily by Amerikkkan happenings we have no care for. Its just a demoralisation campaign really. The invasion of their retard thoughts into our mainstream politics is beyond retarded as well.
Its all so tiresome.

>>223620586
>most people have no idea how to learn a language as an adult
I think this is the best argument for why investing the massive effort to raise your kid bilingual from infancy, instead of just starting them young, like around 6-8 years old, doesn’t really pay off. I mean yeah, if you invest all this time trying to make your kid essentially have french as a native language that’s great and all, but what does it do for them in Oklahoma? Compared to that, the cognitive benefits of learning a second language seem more attractive to me. For example, I think the reason one would not find it uncommon for someone classically educated, even in America, to know 4-5 languages 100+ years ago was that studying Latin and Greek for so long growing up builds mental habits and skills, as well as the grasp of formal grammar, which allows them to relatively easily add something like German, French, or Italian as adults.

>>223620710
>I wish they knew a different shitty language from us.
Would not matter if they knew spanish or chinese, they are the global power of the West, we will always know what they are doing and what they think

I want to emphasize that I am speaking specifically of American parents who learned French or whatever in highschool trying to make their toddler speak French. Not maintaining a heritage language is just laziness.

>>223620796
>but what does it do for them in Oklahoma?
Job opportunities and status, genuinely. If it's some language like Yoruba, then no, but French yeah.

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>>223620803
The Chinese are a global power, and you have to go out of your way to find out whatever the fuck they're doing this week.
Its purely because they're part of the anglosphere and we have historically allied with them that we get their some of their retardation.

>>223620803
If you didn’t want to lose global dominance to use you shouldn’t have reverse-mortgaged your empire just to kill Germans.

>>223620845
Yeah. Even in Northern Exposure, the old bartender had a young wife because he knew French.

>>223620874
I would like to mention that the retards in germany were inspired by the most retarded americans like Henry Ford. Even when you tried forcing segretation in the bars in the uk during ww2, the brits got sick of your shit and had to disband it because we didn't tolerate it.

>>223620913
It's the same here, when I would tell people I study French people would fucking light up, so odd.

>>223620952
I was talking about WW1. By WW2 we had surpassed you. Either way, our forefathers decided to found colonies, and if it had been Canada or Australia that surpassed the motherland you would make the same complaints too, because you’re descended from the cowards who stayed home. Like the Anglo-Saxons in ancient times, we left our diminutive home to found a great land over the sea, and our only crime is eclipsing our old home.

>>223621046
Lil bros mad lmao

>>223621046
I don't get why most Brits get so upset with America as if it's not literally their grandson? I'm Irish so I'm quite fond of the place even if you are the worst tourists in the world bar the chinks

>>223621093
Because they're retarded and we suffer the consequences of their actions (I.e. oil prices due to their Zionist war)

>>223621093
Oh come on, everyone knows that when you hate a country, you're mainly referring to their government. Go and act retarded as the US isn't a third world country to their own people. It's depressing to hear daily how americans go bankrupt over type 1 diabetes medication or some other life critical meds 24/7.

>>223621117
Fair point. I could argue the people are not the government, but I would be hypocrite as I view most jews to be interchangeable with zionist israel

I'm thinking about part-time studies in philology to be more motivated and have some structure
>>223621027
Now I kind of regret giving up French, but only a little. I will always be able to come back to it, only then will I be able to fully concentrate only on this language

>>223620410
I have no one to speak to in English in real life but even without this practice or immersion I have only a slight ESL accent, one I may correct one day by learning Received Pronunciation
also I'm only good at English because I have no friends, no one to really talk to and since like the age of 12 I've had more social interactions online (pretty much exclusively in English) than in real life

>>223621305
>since like the age of 12 I've had more social interactions online
This is so real. I talked to a lot of americans when I was younger and now I get asked frequently where I'm from in my own hometown. I don't know what to say to that frankly because it's pretty fucking embarrassing.

Guys..... I'm 34 years old. There's no way I will ever be fluent in any language..... I am giving up on language learning, everyone will just make fun of me and I'm just too old for this hobby. Farewell anons

>>223621380
>This is so real. I talked to a lot of americans when I was younger and now I get asked frequently where I'm from in my own hometown.
Sort of had the same thing with online British friends and I had a real rp accent in an area that really should not have. Everyone used to think I was a posh cunt despite being poor as fuck

>>223621495
Gotta give us your current lore of your journey so far. When did you start? How far are you currently? I know there is some crazy language learners that are like 50.

>>223621495
Goodbye, anon. Save the last bit of that neuroplasticity for remembering your grandchildren's names.

>>223621495
It is over. The greatest writers and thinkers in history all gave up by 17. Sorry grandpa, sincerely, a failed 24 year old

>>223621495
So long, anon. I'll make sure to stay on top of my reviews in your memory.

>>223621538
I started learning Japanese 3 days ago and it's just too much...

Ich bin zu alt für dieses verdammte Hobby alter.... Ich kann gar nicht glaube, dass ich wirklich zu alt bin.

>>223621918
>japanese
bruh

>>223621088
Huh?

>>223621093
Becuz they jelly, and because whatever’s going on in America is great fodder for local government to point at and ignore local problems.

>>223621918
Well you know german. If japanese is going to be your third language, I think you got a solid chance to learn it. Maybe you are just thrown off by how spooky a new language can be.

I really want to study two languages at once even though I know I can only reasonably manage one. Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>223620710
I was in the UK for 8 months like 3-4 years ago. The political scene there is more or less exactly the same as here. I went to a college campus and there were feminist men-bad rape-awareness posters literally everywhere, there are LGBT flags all over london, etc. Your right-wing is also exactly the same as yours you've had boris johnson and have the tories. I don't know why euros like to pretend these are america-specific happenings, the only way to get away from this stuff is to go to asia

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>>223620365
kyoot

>>223623185
There is a cope here that before Trump our politics was really different and crazy, yet, in 2016, we had the Brexit referendum and every year following we had a different PM until Boris. We were and are no different, we did the same as you at the exact same time.
Every middle class cunt here bangs on about "Oh years ago we were so civil and politics was orderly" - Yeah, it was the same in the USA at the exact same time too lmao.

>>223623185
NAH NAH NAH STOP THAT AMERICAN BULLSHIT.
Americans believe everything that is slightly left wing economically is socialist or communist. Left wing here is a broad term and equally gay however we aren't beyond retarded when it comes to those termsm we are aware that liberal means centrist and free market type cunts.

The right wing however is NOT american. That's REFORM. Tories were more focused right wing economically and the middle/upper/rich class. Reform is the american import and it's regarded.

Final part of that discussion because politics derailing /lang/ is regarded

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No puedo

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Non-English NLangers of /lang/, what words used by a TLanger would indicate a high degree of proficiency in your NLang if he spoke yours as a TLang?

>>223623268
Okay? You know you’re feeding into it by derailing a language thread to complain about us.

>>223623399
framgent = in the future. Random one I just read that most zoomers would never use.

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>>223623268
>Americans believe everything that is slightly left wing economically is socialist or communist.
Correct. People who are 'left-wing' but not socialist are not left wing, they're just gayer capitalists

>>223623404
Your government* but yeah. It's like I like any of the parties here lmao. Блaть, я идoит. Пoлинкa нe хopoшoe.

Probably butchered that.

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Deutschbrudis, is this good advice or just the blind leading the blind?
Most German nouns are feminine. So - when in doubt - just decline Dieser words, Kein words, and adjectives in the feminine for words you don’t know the gender of.

>>223623242
it's social media, targeted advertising, algorithmic feeds, etc. It feels silly to point it out, everyone knows but nobody acts like it's the biggest threat

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>>223623615
I remember in school I would just write die for everything since I could be bothered to learn. I had a non passing grade for German at the end of high school. One of my biggest regret is switching back from Italian to German because I had already been learning German for a few years by the time they let you switch (I probably was A1 o algo at that point)
I could have been B2-C1 Italian for free

>>223623470
The American people pick the government, so even if some of the people didn't choose the current state of affairs, they still chose it. Like the people choosing brexit, they CHOSE IT. Despite people saying "I didn't choose this", it doesn't matter because the majority DID choose thus it's still the people's fault.

>>223624254
>because the majority DID choose thus it's still the people's fault.
To an extent. People chose brexit, but we didn't want it the way we got it. Any cuck that says "ah man we should've just stayed" is a fag who loves being at the behest of neolibs and kikes. People choose ideas that they are sold, sometimes they are sold shit

>Luftwaffe
>Air-weapon.
Whoah.

>>223619304
The extra hours from full immersion is nice but not really the main reason. Anyone who's tried it will know the experience where if you completely switch over to your target language and nothing else it starts to gestate in your mind subconsciously in a way it doesn't otherwise. If you study your tl for 2 hours then immediately go back to nl your mind is now back to nl and is no longer processing tl.

>>223624281
Cough cough, englishman, cough cough
>>223624254
Oh fuck off, every vote in the us is like 50/50 at all times. In the UK, it's usually just like 3/4's england's population which ends up being like 51% causing brexit.

And besides literally every politican is going to implement what the people voted for in the worse way possible in literally every case. Although in this case in specific to america, almost every republican voter are regretting trump so fucking badly. It's a shitshow. A travesty. Every expected a normal presidency but it's instead unprecentended corruption and terrible policy choices not to mention a million other issues that are bipartisan in nature with him. Also making the US hated internationally.

>>223624353
Arguelles speaks of this. He posits that a fundamental stage in the learning process is to spend a period of at least a month immersed as much as possible in a community of speakers.

>>223624364
>Cough cough, englishman, cough cough
What are you implying?

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Guess.

We should probably create a new thread on /int/ or /pol/ at some point.

>>223624457
I'm not english, I'm Irish, I happen to live in England. Leave was a scam, but I dont think there is anything wrong with leaving the EU. I dont like the EU at all. That said, Brexit was retarded as fuck considering what "we" got

>>223624538
Yeah, but come on, the deal we were gonna get was obviously going to back fire. Realistically we should of just demanded concessions or threaten to leave but because we just left, they had no reason to make a deal and so we left with nothing good. What did we reallu get for leaving? There was no benefit. Muh immigrants were going to happen anyway. Instead of poles, albanians (which we still have) or other europeans, we traded it for non-EU immigrants which are far worse. No government will stop immigration because of economics.

Also all the muslim hotels are owned by tories to siphon money out of the government, lol.

>>223624577
I fully agree with you, but most voters are retarded, and they were therefore lied to easily. I dont blame them, the lived experience of 40 years of shit as a native on these islands is awful. Fuck the tories, fuck labour and fuck the libdems for being yellow

>>223624628
God bless brother, they all suck. Especially modern labour. If we want to make the green party truly happy, we should just use kier hardie's grave as a motor for infinite energy.

Also what language are you learning at 3:37 in the morning?

>>223624673
>Also what language are you learning at 3:37 in the morning?
Should be doing french but just drunk playin vidya

>>223624699
Nice, I would pick french but I have no interest in their culture. Their history maybe but nothing particularly phenomonial has came out in a long while. Loved les miserables though.

>>223624726
The average book by an no name 19th century author, who died an alcoholic or in a communist workers riot, triumphs over 90% of the literature in the english language. As you like russian I am sure you appreciate good literature also.

>>223624787
Ahhh indeed. Someone said the translations of russian lit is kind of bad so I want to read crime and punishment, chekhov's works and dr zhivago in it's native languages. Although english lit has it's place. Moby dick, fahrenhiet 451, gravity falls and a lot more like infinite jest I heard is top notch stuff. I can't actually think of any bad english lit stuff other than modern stuff.

>>223624826
Tbh from like the 1880s-1990s English literature is grand. Honestly, the last piece of work that seems to have had such an impact is Harry Potter? I'm not a fan, but I cannot deny its impact. French literature is just crazily good, tho all the authors are mentally ill pedos

>>223624853
That's a french trend. There is a whole university that made a treatise on the age of consent. Fucking frenchies being the most ungodly people alive.

Harry potter is so mainstream and mid. I read the first one. It's not bad but like god damn, anything made now adays are just for young adults like mistborn. Nothing actually normal.

I blame the internet. Everyone is in their own micro communities now, including us. Ahh, I will however revel in some short stories soon enough in russian. The joy of finishing a full story from start to finish will be a glorious one.

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Just bought a house in Skyrim. Now I don’t need to exclusively rely on Lydia Post.
>>223624853
German has Faust for epic poetry. What does French have, mon Fr’Éire?

So I am in this awkward spot where I am fluent in Spanish and pretty decent in Portuguese. I can easily have 1 hour long conversations talking in Portuguese with natives and my passive comprehension is very high, especially when it comes to formal registers.

However my problem is that Portuguese has such an ungodly amount of irregular verb conjunctions, many simply unique for a certain tense and verb, due to all the contracting that has been going on with consonants. It's worse than French and Spanish.

I often feel very constrained when I am outputting because I try to skirt around this problem and end up using the same 10 verbs all the time when talking to someone.

I feel like there is no other way than to actively do systematic verb drills going verb by verb, tense by tense so I can more easily come up with the conjugation by heart and on the fly.

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I made this meme just now but desu I don't think anyone will understand it.

>>223624906
>What does French have,
The Lais of Marie de France

>>223623615
I think this is just a secondary effect of most nomilizations of non-nouns and their standard suffixes acquiring the female gender.

You are better of learning all the suffixes and non-endings that are regular or semi-regular.

>>223624334
>Flugzeug
>Fly thing

>>223625033
>Ah yes, the feeling you get when feel scared when in a building of great height, we have a word for zis in Germany
>Fearzofbeinzintallassbuildatung
I did find it funny back in the day when redditors used to parade compound nouns around as if they were unique to German

>>223624929
That’s Anglo-Norman though.

>>223624928
이해해지만 재미가 없어

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>Baker was the author of the 1770 work, Reflections on the English Language, and the possessor of a rather curious range of qualifications for the work of ‘deciding what is right and what is wrong with our language.’ Some of his qualifications and attributes, as given in the introduction to this book, are as follows:
>>Not being acquainted with any Man of Letters, I have consulted Nobody.
>>I quitted the School at fifteen.
>>I confess that I am entirely ignorant of the Greek, and but indifferently skilled in the Latin, where I can construe nothing but what is easy.

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>>223620365

>>223625033
>>223625093
German is such ass, why anyone would learn such a language is beyond me

>>223626113

>>223620410
Experiencing many cultures makes you lose a bit of yours, and if you care about it, you will eventually try and learn more about your own culture, only to become almost a stereotypical representation of it. You start comparing things and suddenly you can't really connect with either side, you are forever in a limbo between the cultures you know.

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>>223626026
LASIK is slowly rendering them an endangered species. Curse you LASIK

>>223626188
Absolute bollocks

>>223626113
Aesthetic.

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So the only way to get truly conversational in a TL is to go and live in the country and only use the language with locals, correct?

>>223628104
What language(s) are you learning?

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>>223625093

>>223628236
Hindi and spanish mainly right now.
I don't suppose anyones got any good resources for burmese though?

>>223628429
>Hindi
Don't you live in that country already?

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>>223628104
>is to go and live in the country
I have the luxury of living in the only country where you can fully immerse with natives in basically any language relatively easily without going anywhere else

>>223628620
And yet you are completely monolingual, why's that then?
>>223628564
Thats why I'm learning it, I want to integrate well.

>>223622254
>>223623615
>the man
Der Mann
>men
Die Maenner
I have it easier because we also have three genders in Polish, and I only have to remember the ones that differ in German, but your idea seems stupid to me. It's worth taking the time to learn articles early on, I think
Maybe I'm tripping but I have impression that Japanese, besides the script, is easier than German.
>>223622928
Is it a matter of having enough time to learn, or a fear of mixing languages? If it’s the latter, it shouldn’t be a problem if one TL has fairly simple pronunciation and an easy-to-learn rhythm and/or familiar vocabulary, but doesn’t belong to the same language family as your other TL

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>>223629069

>>223622928
Is it a matter of having enough time to learn, or a fear of mixing languages? If it’s the latter, it shouldn’t be a problem if one TL has fairly simple pronunciation and an easy-to-learn rhythm and/or familiar vocabulary, but doesn’t belong to the same language family as your other TL
>>223624826
Yes. If I see an English speaker who’s a fan of Russian literature but only knows it in English, I know he’s a pretentious grifter. Nothing wrong when you are 13yo though
>>223624853
>>223624886
Harry Potter is great at what it is: a series of books for children and young adults
>>223628620
>go to Little Italy
>"Buongiorno! Sono Anonno, mi piacere"
>"Ey! Whaddidja just say to me?"

>>223629164
So 50% of your cunt are foreigners yet only 23% can speak two languages? Absolute state of you retards.

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An (exaggerated) image based on how /lang/ describes learning east asian languages.

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How do I adjust Firefox settings so that it autotranslates every page into German for me? I think this would be a game changer, immersion wise.

>>223629833
Interesting how this is the opposite of the traditional (normie) evaluation

>>223629164
>the French are less bilingual then the British
So the rumors were true.

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>>223628429
If you’re in London, here’s where you can find people willing to talk to you in one of your TLangs.

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I did a study session today for my language-dabbling slot. But I'm too lazy to do a study session for my committed to the TL slot (German). Why this is so hard? The language is profitable in Poland, a lot of dubbs from anime slop to serious cinema, I actually like how it sounds, it's phonetic, I understood how case system works, but I don't think I can do it without a language course or something strongly structured

>>223629142
Well, I know it’s not ideal, but it has the possibility of one uttering gender-correct declensions more likely than if one would use the gendered declensions willy-nilly.

>>223628104
Based on Alexander Arguelles’s opinion, a study plan for a lang can be entirely studying at home, but going abroad and immersing 24/7 for a month or two (after substantial study) is a key part of locking in comfortable fluency long term. Basically keep at your studies and eventually plan to do some sort of immersion school or program out there.

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>>223632104
Pissleur and Anki broke your spirit. Try downloading season 1 of Dark and watch the first episode with Language Reactor, you can probably get the gist of the dialogue and follow the plot. Or maybe a dubbed anime that you like and hope that the LR Automatic Speech Recognition generates decent subtitles. You need an immediate injection of fun otherwise you're gonna quit. Even if you struggle to understand, at least you'll have a goal in your head, "one day I can understand all of this", that will put the work into perspective and make it easier to follow through.

>>223632104
When I’m really feeling down with my TL I try to force myself to just input for a bit more. Input creates the desire to study more.

>>223632416
>>223632472
I can do Anki and Pimsleur for German actually (and I finally did it), but my body rejects anything beyond that. Input makes me feel aversion so maybe I'll watch my favorite anime before bed to calm down. It's shame that LN only works with Netflix

>>223634720
>It's shame that LN only works with Netflix
If exporting audio clips to anki is all you wanted it for, you could use that mpv plugin that got posted here a while back

Ok if Google translate isn't reliable as a dictionary what should I use in my Readers?

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Today I found out about this

God damn. I want to reach fluency so badly.

What is fluency?

>>223637419
This >>223620346

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>>223634720
>It's shame that LN only works with Netflix

It works with offline video files, been using it for years. The new speech recognition feature is decent when you can't find subs, so even dubbed media is doable now.

https://www.languagereactor.com/video-file

>>223637789
I don't regret coming here then, because if I didn't and I actually got my life together and left 4chan, then I wouldn't find stuff like this

Is Irish a good language to learn? If so what are the best resources for it?

>>223639482
>If so what are the best resources for it?
anything made before the 2000s.
avoid youtube videos, they're mostly made by non-natives who butcher the pronunciation.

>>223634720
>Input makes me feel aversion
Sounds like hell, I couldn't even imagine doing this without input maxxing, especially reading.
>>223635789
Use a dictionary?

>>223639482
memorize song lyrics + watch tg4 + do a vocab deck

there arent a lot of traditional learning resources for it but theres a 6500 frequency deck and plenty of good content

>>223639482
No.

>>223640581
Of course the Brit says it

>>223640932
He's not wrong.

>>223639482
>>223640932
no one actively speaks it even in ireland outside of some towns on the west coast, the island has been so anglicised that irish may as well be practically extinct by 2050 because irish people would rather use english
i would say there are minority languages in china with a brighter outlook than irish has on its own land

>かめこの iPhone
I have a samurai in my buildingu

>>223641773
Yeah I'm in agreement with the irish is worthless to learn. Someone here tried learning scottish gaelic which is more worthless to learn imo and even rarer spoken. Celtic languages are a meme despite what nationalists want you to believe.

>>223636594
YES Stroke it baby

Locked my pc away to stop wasting time. Using IPad and going through my old Claude chats when I paid for it. Forgot how useful it was for French, I have some insane resources made with it.

>>223643474
>Celtic languages are a meme despite what nationalists want you to believe.
Native languages are never a meme man, it is definitely possible for revival. Wales has done really well, I’ve spent much time in the middle and north and I would hear Welsh constantly.
Irish is fucked though. In all the years I lived there I heard it fuck all besides when you’d go through Gaeltacts; who are all cunts btw. That’s the real issue with Irish, all the poncy cunts who instilled it into their families and communities after independence have tried gatekeeping it.

How much vocabulary improvement do I get from reading compared to flashcards?

>>223644742
Wasn't the irish and scottish gaelic speakers oppressed heavily and the welsh weren't though? Like the languages are dead and a lot of folk can not be bothered trying to revive it but it's not their fault. The only reason why english is so relevent is that they forced the language onto the rest of the isles (besides wales for some reason.)

>>223644742
Why have you been travelling and living so extensively in the home nations?
And any revivalist meme languages are going to be exclusively spoken by contrarian cunts becuase that's the whole point. Its like how only dickheads learn esperanto.

>>223644742
lmao @ the fact that you didn't even mention Scots Gaelic shows how terribly it's doing

I don't understand the larp in Edinburgh where government buildings have Gaelic names when it has been Scots-speaking for a thousand years

I'm finna make me a app that has a bank of voacb words that can be reassembled into into various configurations.

[I am meeting] [his] [brother] [in <city>]
[I am meeting] [her] [sister] [over there]

etc.

then, I will click a button and it will give me a sentence to have to form.

it's basically just like a "random"-ish cloze generator. I suppose I could also just make cloze anki cards to do the same but I've always wanted sumfin like dis.

>>223645699
the point is getting comfortable with cases and gender agreement, and following suggestions i've seen for just repetitively saying basic shit over and over again to drill the geneder and case agreement.

I had a dream in my TL where my "dream self" was speaking fluently to others and comprehending them, but I (as in, my actual self) wasn't truly understanding anything going on in the dream. Does that make sense?

>>223644742
Yeah Gaelic seems to be exclusively limited to those communities or the most obnoxious loudly political prick ever.

Governments will spend a bajillion gazillion dollarydoos and people will complain (in English) endlessly, but the reason Welsh succeeds is because they actually find proficient speakers, place them in a fucking classroom, and have immersion programs for kids. Normal Welsh people can learn Welsh, and go speak Welsh in their normal lives, without it being a political statement, and an academic-minded Welshman can go become a normal teacher at a normal school (but in Welsh) and kids can have normal education (but in Welsh). If Irish bounces back much it will be exclusively because of success with immersion schools, but AFAIK local governments go out of their way to block them from being opened.

Cornish seems like a total meme.

Latin doesn’t count as a revivalist language because it’s always been around as an auxiliary language. Of course some really really want it to be that way but it sucks all the joy out when you act like we should ignore Gauss and Descartes and Aquinas and just read exclusively pagans and jerk off in the woods doing revivalist rituals.

Any Spaniards in this thread that also speak Catalan? I’m learning Spanish but I thought I’d give Catalan a try once I’m done. I really like the sound of Occitan and Catalan is supposedly the closest relative.

Speaking to myself is really effective and a nice way to put some more hours into my TL

>>223647657
Dude just go outside and talk to people. You're just wasting time otherwise

>>223647854
No one speaks my TL here outside some relatives of mine

>>223643474
There is no practical value in learning any language besides english. Irish is kino and that's a more than good enough reason to learn it.
https://youtu.be/7lFgPBNJNSE?si=-F-306PBo3JLtgaw

>>223648052
Okay. Who will you speak it to? Do you have Irish media in mind? How many vidya or banger songs are there in Irish? What purpose is there in learning a dying language?

>>223648115
>How many vidya or banger songs are there in Irish?
There is no language on the planet better for music than irish. That's basically the reason people learn irish

>>223648052
>There is no practical value in learning any language besides english
There is like 6 languages in total used as lingua franca across the globe.

>>223648052
I would probably get more use learning sawali than irish or any other language. What possible reason is there to learn irisg/gaelic? Welsh maybe.

>>223648217
>regional lingua franca
>look inside
>swahili (east africa), arabic (MENA), french (africa), spanish (central and south america), russian (CIS)
the only reason these have any value is because the regions they cover are full of thirdies that can't speak english
french is used in some international orgs but (You) will never make it into any of them and even then it's only used because the french would throw a tantrum if it was no longer an option alongside English of course

>>223648535
>the only reason these have any value is because the regions they cover are full of thirdies that can't speak english
Truke

>french is used in some international orgs but (You) will never make it into any of them and even then it's only used because the french would throw a tantrum if it was no longer an option alongside English of course
I have yet to meet a Frenchman in international business who didn’t speak English, nor a francophone Swiss for that matter, nor a Belgian.

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Journal entry, for the fourth of August.

一夫一妻。

Most truly do I sign myself,
- some chud

The one thing French has over English is that counting is easier with cent, and mille being one syllable. Unless you say 60-dix for 70 and 80-dix for 90 then it's back to being worse

I finally started the anki grind of russian verbs. I'm definitely gonna make it bros. After this, I should start memorizing nouns and declination and then I can probably start reading basic stuff in russian with a 40% to 70% comprehension if not more. Have any of you been able to read native content yet?

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Came across a rather motivating passage today you guys might like in ch. 9 of "Surprised by Joy."

Anyone here ever teach English in a foreign country? I'm considering doing it. Early 30s with nothing going on. Have a decent amount of crypto and a side hustle with that as well.
I speak Spanish so ideally I'd do that buy I'd be open to somewhere in Asia as well.

Is Chinese easier than Japanese?

>>223649336
Most Spanish speaking countries kinda suck m8
I'd assume Uruguay is decent but they speak some batshit Spanish

>>223649444
In terms of pay?
I'm going into it aware I'm not going to make much but my crypto side hustle will help with that.

>>223649336
Since you're already rich and you already posses a livelihood for yourself, just be a tourist. A part time job might get you extended visa time privileges but it's not some thing you fiddle with in your hands when you're bored, it's going to be a grievous tax on your free time.

If I was a millennial or a gen x'er, I'd just be an ordinary tourist and then make the difference back and then some from my easy laptop jobs.

>>223649471
Uruguay's the highest earning Spanish speaking country in South America and second behind Guyana

nightly night bump before bed
The weakness has been overcome so I buckled down and spent some extra time studying my TL from the committed-to-the-language slot and of all the resources, the pocket learning guide I once bought at a newsstand for the equivalent of €2.30 turned out to be the most interesting.
In the “dabbling” slot, I went back to Italian for two days, and while it’s cool, because it can be as sophisticated as French and as silly as Spanish, I’m not sure I will continue. I currently have no reason to learn this language except maybe liking old hit songs, appreciating the design of their guns or cars, and vacations. Maybe it's time to trim hobbymaxxxing a little bit and learn something actually profitable in place of that slot
>>223637789
A lifechanger, thank you
>>223635059
I don't feel like adding new things to Anki right now. I'm going over the most common words, a Pimsleur deck and phrases from Nicos Weg. The rest I'm trying to memorize naturally. but I'll keep it in mind in case I need it, thanks
>>223640380
I've thought it over, and it seems to me that it might be the algorithms' fault, because they're suggesting a lot of things to me in different languages, and my brain is rebelling. I also have to avoid interacting online with fellow learners and natives of my TL
>>223649444
Have you been to many countries in Latin America, or do you have any insights? Review them if you can.

I didn't refresh the page and didn't realize the thread was still alive. Sorry, I try to blogpost only as a bump
Anyway, do you have any anime recommendations categorized by difficult level? I once saw a chart like that, and I'd like to use something like that to learn another language, but can't find it

>>223637789
WAIT
THEY HAVE A SPEECH RECOGNITION NOW?????

>>223649661
For almost a year now, but no one pays attention to my shill posts.
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/214498799/#q214521868

>>223649756
Is it free?

>>223649817
Yep.

>>223649756
I pay attention to your shilling but I am a silent lurker
I've been using lute for awhile because of you

Como hablo Espanol?

>>223645353
>the welsh weren't though?
Yes and no. Wales is “lucky” that they were conquered by the English so early. It’s an odd relationship historically where Wales is seen by the English as different but not? It’s why law wise, it’s always “England and Wales” whereas Scotland and the north of Ireland/Northern Ireland are different. Wales was still suppressed language wise, but for the most part it was Victorian industrialisation that killed it. Its revival has honestly come just that they did it differently to everyone and Wales has felt since thatcher’s regime as being forgotten by Westminster. It makes sense they make such an active effort. Having an “enemy” or “rivalry” helps lmao. It’s the same with Ireland. When it was still under British rule, the GAA, Fenians and Celtic Brotherhood were becoming massive. Irish diaspora were even active in learning Irish. Then you get indépendance and I suppose that drive goes? Weird. 1880-1914 Irish cultural revival is really quite interesting. Also if it weren’t for prods, ironically Ireland might’ve still been part of the UK today, under home rule.
>>223645498
My families Irish, but I grew up in England, though I lived in Ireland for about 3 years permanently a few years back. Wales, I have worked there seasonally for two summers.
>>223646774
Yeah, working alongside welsh people both old and young it just seemed so natural how they learnt it. Irish kids always seemed to me that they had been forced, was really sad. It is mental that despite the increase of gaelscoils, these kids still dont speak it once they have left.

I know Spanish to an okay level. But I really wish I'd spent all that time learning French. French is such a cool language compared to Spanish. It has more media that interests me, and it sounds cooler. The sounds are hard though. I guess it's one of those languages that it's even more important to spend a lot of time listening to, right? When watching cartoons sometimes I can make out words here and there, sometimes phrases like "Ça suffit". But it's such a blurry language.
Anyway is French kind of unique then?
Also are there any particular resources for French you'd recommend? I guess the most serious way is obviously to memorize a bunch of basic words through Anki, study some of the basic grammar, and listen to a whole lot of French, like the way Japanese learners do it.

>>223650172
French is just gay Italian with a stupid R sound

>>223650194
Or Italian is unevolved French
Doesn't matter either way, French is more relevant to me and I like how it sounds a lot more
And I like the R sound

Jordie larping post
Learning russian however, if I did do a jordie and picked up a second language, what should be my second language to learn? Chinese? French? German? I want something practical and a lot of speakers. Not japanese though.

>>223650266
Spanish is practical and has a lot of speakers. The most practical language, though, is the one you have the highest chance of actually using practically. If you have no chance, then well, you're going to have to seek out Chinese, French, German, Spanish speakers online or whatever anyway.

>>223650172
I got to B1 French but indeciddd to focus on Spanish for potential work. If you have a VPN, you can watch free shows on TV France. Also, TV5Monde offers free language modules for FLEs (Français Langue Étrangères).

French grammar in my opinion is a little more complex than Spanish and you can’t do things like omit the subject in a sentence. Also, French tends to use auxiliary verbs for things like passé composé

>French has conjugations
>they're all spelled differently yet pronounced the same
God French is so fucking dumb

>>223650570
>French grammar in my opinion is a little more complex than Spanish
Really, what makes you say that? It seems like they use the subjunctive mood less and they don't use the simple past tense at all except in books and stuff.

>>223650635
For starters, passé composé relies on auxiliary verbs like Être and avoir. In Spanish, you could just say Yo Nació or Nació en los EEUU. But in French, you have to remember to use Être and then conjugate naître (je suis né aux états-unis ou quelque chose). And there are many verbs that use avoir instead (J’ai appris). Also, they must agree in gender.

Also I felt that gender of nouns was harder to remember.

>>223650590
A lot of people gripe about pronunciation but I honestly find French way easier to pronounce than Spanish. French is no where near as fast as Spanish and you don’t have to roll your r’s.

>>223650688
Oh, I felt the compound past tense was something that made it easier, since you only have to remember the participle and the auxiliary verb conjugation. But it's true that having to gender it and decide whether to use être or avoir would seem harder.
Also in Spanish that would be yo nací. Nació would mean someone else was born.

>>223650713
Pronunciation in French is fine
Their spelling is stupid
Silent letters are retarded

>>223650752
Letters don’t exist in speech. Stop getting so hung up on it.

>>223650752
>Silent letters are retarded
>the post
>the flag

>>223650820
We only have silent letters cause of French
Why do you have ь and ъ?

>>223650713
I can't do the throat noises well...

>>223637789
wait, is this language reactor? it's free? hot damn i better get on that lickety split

I'm thinking about picking up German, but considering I'm a west coast, the more advantageous language would be Spanish. Are there any reasons to learn German in US outside? I'm coming to the conclusion it's only relevant to Texas, and the Amish, and if you live in the EU. What are the benefits of German in the US?

>>223649016
>just do it pussy

>>223650891
Next to none. No one speaks German in this country anymore save for like a few dozen people. Even French would be a better choice since there are allliance françaises propped up in almost every state. However if you’re really interested in German culture, go for it.

Learning any language takes some time. It helps if you have native speakers in your country to help your practice

>>223650891
literature. Consider trying French if it's your first foreign lang, it's a bit easier so you're more likely to make real progress without giving up, and the literature is also great. I did Latin and it was years of ball-crushing-struggle even with a reading-oriented textbook in comparison to how idiomatically easy to handle French is.

If you're learning to talk to strangers IRL, then yeah Spanish makes sense for California. Other strong options in California are just other immigrant languages like Chinese. You hear a lot of Chinese all over the state.

>>223650857
>Why do you have ь and ъ?
They aren't entirely silent, they exist as a sort of phonetic markers to modify the preceding consonant. Wouldn't be able to tell you why we need two of them though.

No more dabbling! I will focus on one language for at least year straight!

>>223651055
They used to be vowels

>>223651605
Sure, but so did the other removed letters. It's a mystery to me why ъ didn't get rolled up with ь, given that they do largely the same thing.

>>223648595
> in international business
Is that your profession?

>>223645353
From what I understand, because Wales converted to Anglicanism fairly amicably and without much protest, they basically just translated the Bible into Welsh and held Welsh mass and other church services, so the language thrived while Irish (spoken in a Catholic country with Latin mass) was fucked

>>223649646
https://jpdb.io/anime-difficulty-list?q=

>>223650891
If it's a language large enough (economically, population-wise) to dub anime for it, then it's worth learning if you like it. Even if you're not a weeb, that's a good indicator
>>223651362
Let's to to the end of this year anon
>>223650266
If you're outpoter: a language relatively easy to pronounce for you

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Embarrassing truth: when I was younger I used to be an esperantist. I even have two books in Esperanto at home

>>223654696
That's it, thanks!

>>223656678
Np

>>223650266
Belarussian or Ukrainian.
:DDD

>>223650878
the 'actor be straight bussin frfr
get dem free language gains cuh

>>223655031
What's the hardest part about being an esperantist?
Telling your parents that you're gay.

No puedo

>>223658083
Doch

Ho mangiato la pasta

Sono un piano.

Does "ching chong" mean anything in Chinese?

>>223658739
nem tudom

>>223658739
Not ching chong but Chong Ching is the largest city in China

>>223658739
青虫
Green bug

>>223650688
Well arguably it’s a bit easier simply because it’s semantically closer to English colloquial speech. We don’t say “I borned in Spain” we say “I was born” “I had gone” etc.

>>223659745
Not really. We don't use the compound past for everything. "Je suis né" is like "I am born" or more accurately "I have been born", but it means "I was born". "Je l'ai vu" also means both "I saw it" and "I have seen it" in speech. There is a clear distinction in English speech and if you always said "I have seen" and never "I saw" it would sound weird.

>>223660403
Yeah but I mean the existence of a compound past is not itself a barrier to comprehension

Is short stories collection just not a thing in German literature? I’ve been checking amazon.de’s catalog, and it’s mostly foreign non-German authors.
Gutenberg has Heinrich von Kleist, but usually Gutenberg has a lot of typos because of the OCR and lack of volunteers.

Probably asking too much, but who is the German equivalent of Chekov?

>>223663593
Reddit’s /r/buecher always recommended foreign (translated) short stories collections too when people asked.

>>223663593
I guess there are the grimm fairytales? Those were originally written in German.

>>223663593
Kafka?

Is there anything more cringe than having a Bible name but from a different language of your country? I just met someone named André, I started talking in French and he acted offended when he told me he was German actually. Retard

>>223663593
Dover books publishes dual-language short story collections and they have several in english/german. E.T.A hoffmann is more like a german Gogol than Checkov but still great.

>>223665162
We had a girl at school who had an Italian name for no reason and we bullied her a bit because of it

>>223665162
Very common in our country, people will give their kids French/Italian/Greek names to sound cultured when they are 100% English

Is Language Reactor only available as an extension with Chrome? I'd rather not have to use Chrome

>>223649016
The click you get when you can read in your TL without translating in your head, that shit is bliss.

>>223666308
Yes, I'm convinced it's only available on (at?) Chromium-based browsers

>>223666541
>I'm convinced
I like your use of that word, I shall start using it the same way

>>223666651
Thanks, I wanted to sound British

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>>223666308
I tried it on Firefox and the core features work fine, except for some lag and janky-ness. The extension is needed for accessing LR features through YouTube and Netflix, it adds an icon to the player so you can turn it on and off when you want. Netflix needs the extension, but you can still watch YouTube videos through the site, it's just a much better experience when it's seamlessly integrated into YouTube. They have some search functionality, but there's no way to copy/paste a youtube link and view it, you have to dig through the channels and see if it's in their catalogue. Offline media player with ASR works fine, at least the .mkv that I tried, it might not support all the same video formats/encodings as Chrome though.

I would recommend installing Chrome and the extension and just using it exclusively for inpoot when you need it with all unnecessary distractions removed. You could make a separate YouTube channel with TL language configured and only view TL videos on it to train your recommendation algorithm.

Fuck.
Guys, I think I might be going all-in. I'm desperate.

Man I feel it this time, I can do this. I can learn a language!

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I give up. Should've started 20 years ago.

Ich kann niemals ein andere Sprache lernen

>>223667992
>picrel
mood
thinking I'm just about to hit a breakthrough that never comes has kept me slaving for thousands of hours

German done. Italian done. I'm wondering what to study before bed. It's tempting to add a third language
>>223667992
No, Serbroo, not you

>>223668096
It's eine, not ein. Give up while you're behind

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1IfbdYEAzw

>dgw ich keine Leseratte-Gf habe und höchstwahrscheinlich es nie schaffen werde, eine abzukriegen

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>>223669892
Ich kenne dieses Gefühl nur zu gut...

>>223637789
does this work for whole-ass movies? i usually use SUbtitleEdit and whisper locally but that shit takes a long, long time for a 2-hr move using the best setting. you also have to align it which is a bitch.

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>>223670443
i guess i have my answer kek

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>>223670443
>>223670443
>>223670471
IT WORKS and that only took 2 attempts and about 10 minutes for a 100-120 minute movie sheeeeit

>>223670624
You're learning Croatian, right?

>>223650891
nigga even I can't bothered

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>>223669892
yup

>>223650891
>I'm thinking about picking up German, but considering I'm a west coast, the more advantageous language would be Spanish. Are there any reasons to learn German in US outside? I'm coming to the conclusion it's only relevant to Texas,
maybe if you move unironically to Fredericksburg (Texas), yeah.

>>223670715
Yeah. AI seems to do a good job of taking HR audio and producing the correct HR subtitles.

>>223671049
Are you familiar with private trackers?

>>223671292
>>223671292
i dont have access to any but i know what they are. how come?

for hr content i just use balkandownload. for pt stuff i dont have access so i just use streaming sites.

>>223671486
https://pastebin.com/52t0wbm8
They close their registration soon.
Don't get banned.
Check the private tracker general on /g/ and their wiki for guidance.
Enjoy.

>>223671761
thanks m8 just signed up. i was not expecting to see anything about an HR tracker hahaha.
>Check the private tracker general on /g/ and their wiki for guidance.
will do, ty

>>223672224
Np

>>223667992
You are the last poster I ever want to read this from... Please stay strong.......

>>223650688
Yo nací*

>>223650941
>>223671049
>>223670798

I mean this in a non passive aggressive way, as I'm genuinely curious so I can choose, what languages are you learning?

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Libro tamen primo de bello gallico legendo finem feci hodie. In una hora undecim capitulas legi. Cras, libri secundi legendi initium faciam.

>>223674329
*capitula
Fuck

>>223674176
portuguese + croatian.

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Would it be a proper french book without randomly inserting latin?

>>223620846
another opportunity to learn

>>223625033
>Flughafen
>fly port

damn...

>>223623615
Gender is pretty important and it will sound very off if you use the wrong article. Like if I said in english I are hunger or something like that.

My advice to you is just to ALWAYS learn the nominative singular article with the word, so your anki card, if you are using anki, should be like der Mann, die Frau, das Kind. When I first started I neglected that and had to do it over. Other than that you will actually develop a sense for the gender of even unknown words. It really isn't something to stress about, but it will be a long process.

>>223674176
I'm learning English :)
I should also work on my spanish output and vocab

Are there any good (free, cause poorfag) sites for practice tests / mock exams / whatever you would call it for Russian A1?

>>223676572
Nah, the fund got embezzled. Do you think russia is germany lol?

>>223677233
What are you talking about?

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Wohin bringt man eine Gazelle? In einer Gesellschaft.

Why is it das Menschenfleisch in Skyrim but das menschliches Herz? Why aren’t they both compound words?
Also, how do you determine how to join compound words, whether it’s -(e)s, -en, no change, or something else?

I know we have the OP resources, but I'm looking for PDFs of textbooks like Spanish or French is high quality and/or more modern books. Anyone know?

In the future I dream of being fluent in russian chinese and japanese

>>223678128
You can also say menschliches Fleisch and Menschenherz.

>>223679778
Stop dreaming and start doing, it'll only take a couple of decades.

>>223678256
https://languagelearning.site/category/french/
https://languagelearning.site/category/spanish/

books in general
https://annas-archive.gl/

>>223679778
You should dream about something more realistic like being able to fly or inventing a time machine to go back and tell your 8 year old self to start learning a language.

>>223678128
>>223679792
Isn't it a matter of emphasis on certain aspects? Das Menschenfleisch is simply a piece of some flesh, an abstract blob or material. The second one is something more specific and something in itself. It's more technical and precise? I'm kind of guessing here

>>223679778
Why those? Is this a Eurasian fascination?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6itDhXX24r4

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>>223679778
I dream of being a confident reader in Latin, French, German, and Japanese; a B1 speaker in these living languages (so not latin) plus Spanish.

Splitting your attention on multiple languages reduces spoken fluency most, and reading ability least. I’m turning into a confident Latin reader gradually, so I’m adding French in finally and, with the combination of English + Latin carryover + 2 years of (american) high school french way back I’m making quick progress, specifically reading and subtitles is very easy. To put it in a phrase, “speak a little, read a lot.” Is my goal in all my langs. It suits me because I’m antisocial and autistic.