No, American, you are not German. You don't speak my language. And if you do it's a broken mess, which betrays that you only consider learning my language just a half-hearted hobby, which you pick up once or twice and then drop, like going to the rock climbing gym. You have no loyalty to my country. You don't live here. You don't try to seek other Germans in a German exclave in your country. If you plan to have kids, you won't send them on a German-speaking private school. You just want to appropriate my culture and my heritage, because you don't want to accept that you are an amalgamation of all kinds of different ethnic groups.
>>223938313>No, American, you are not Germanthank god for that
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>my culture is not your costume>b-bbeCAUSE it's just isn't OK?!?!?!?!why are they like this?
Guarantee this is posted by some northern germ jelly of our ancient Anglo culture with 400 years of English in America itself; whose ancestors didn't speak Hochdeutsch natively until the 20th century.A lot of the weird things people say when they're from certain European nations made sense to me when I realized how modern and artificial their national-level identities really are.
>>223938313>because you don't want to accept that you are an amalgamation of all kinds of different ethnic groups.False, it's because the average American doesn't realize how British they are or want to deny it. That's why the self-reported census ancestry far more irish/german/italian reported ancestry than DNA testing of white Americans actually shows. Dudes with a slovak last name whose ancestor came over 150 years ago and got totally BONG'ed thinks he's slovak, but he's (mostly) pure red-blooded George Washington American. Many such cases, but there's no gibs or persecution you can claim for being British.
>>223938431 this is more true in germany than anywhere else I've been. the atmosphere immediately changes every 50 miles. some places are super chill others are full of stereotypically german uptight effeminate sitzpinklers like OP
>>223938519if his ancestor got bong'd wouldn't he have an english last name
>>223938431>>223938548No shit, we are a nation of 80 million people! There are at least 100 million Germans in the entire world. We are a real country. Of course we have different people with different personalities and view points. You expected us to all be the same? To correspond to some national stereotype of a tiny 5 million people nation in Europe. No fucking shit, we are more diverse in opinion than Slovakia.Like what the actual fuck. We are a real nation with real people. Not a museum or a funny little vacation nation.
>>223938313Thanks American larping as a German with a VPN. Every German poster is actually just a self hating American.
>>223938702That post is actually very revealing. For an American European nations are just antiquated museums, not real nations. Deep inside you think that everyone is just like you and that real homogenous nations are something of the past, which you overcame.
>>223938765Nah, I actually think that European nations are being converted to mud and slime.
>>223938582Okay, let's say, ivan ivanovsky moves to Pennsylvania in 1900. He is a man, his paternal descendants will thus by default share his surname, as over generations his ancestry gets watered down potentially to nothing by the year 2026.For example, I know a couple, a man and a woman. One has a Bavarain surname and the other a Hungarian. Both were raised told by their parents that that was their identity when it came up, but otherwise they've always identified simply as American (which goes back as an explicit term to Ben Franklin). However, they go and chart out their family tree and do DNA tests and lo' and behold, both have mayflower ancestry. The "Hungarian" is 75% british 10% irish and 15% German, with not a drop of Hungarian. The "Bavarian" is over 51% English alone, 1/3 North German and Scandinavian, the rest British Isles.Put another way, genetics don't always neatly dilute in half, so once you get low enough there's a shot a small chunk of ancestry vanishes entirely in terms of what can be measured. John of Hungary is 100% Hungarian, his son ~50%, his son ~25%, his son ~12.5%, his son potentially as high as 6.25% but potentially as low as zero. That's 5 generations, which would cover the story of a lot of Americans with ethnic surnames that did not settle in areas that were densely settled by the same ethnicity (such as New Jersey)>>223938659See the hysterics here are what I'm talking about. This literally just isn't what I was saying.>>223938765>real homogenous nations are something of the past, which you overcame.I'm saying that in some ways America before modern mass immigration was more homogeneous>>223938548It's why the Dutch are more chill. They have just as much right to claim entities like the medieval German kingdom, but they don't feel the need to over-exaggerate it or claim to be the core of Germanic civilization, because their state is 400 years old. Nationalist autism is the worst for people who lose their local identity.
Basically, immigrants in large part were absorbed into an existing predominantly British fabric, with the largest contributing outsiders being Irish (who are of the same islands) and Germans..A Californian can move 3,000 miles from home and move to a community filled with people that look completely identical to him, have similar surnames, and where he probably has ancestors from or even cousins. The actual effect rapid expansionist colonization has is to homogenize rather than diversify, but this is masked by the geography.There are lots of regional identities, to be sure, but aside from dense immigrant enclaves such as the Amish, most of these are identities that formed AFTER colonization, and not before. For example, what makes Southerners distinct is not that they are less homogeneous than the rest of the country, but actually that they are substantially MORE English than every other region.
>>223938659like I said this is more true in germany than other places I've been like france or uk, as germany was not a unified country or culture until quite recently. you've been a country in the modern sense for less time than america has been a country>>223938765european countries are museums not in the sense that they are not real people or real cultures but rather that they dont provide much contribution culturally or technologically to global affairs in the modern era and thus are easy to ignore. Germany is one of the higher producing european countries but still doesnt produce as many top-cited papers or technological advancements per capita as korea or the US thus not particularly important.korea, china, japan, singapore, etc. all have active global influence in science and music and culture and thus are topical and relevant. you are simply not important or relevant
History is being rewritten to make America out to have always been some especially diverse land, but this is a misleading narrative. Irish and Germans are cited to as an example of this diversity, but what you see in practice is intense efforts by the existing American nation to assimilate that were objectively successful both on a cultural and a genetic level. America was a deeply nationalist political culture in the first half of the 20th century, and this preserved and propagated what was a shockingly homogeneous nation given it's continent-spanning mass. It's only really when the floodgates of immigration open up from the 60s onwards that this changes all that much.It's really important for people to understand why John Jay could say picrel in the 1700s and have people nod their heads and treat it as a plausible claim, because at the time it was TRUE. In 1791, there simply was no country spanning such a landmass that was so homogeneous in Europe.Schizo Euros then misinterpret the localized self-identification of many Americans with their ethnic surnames as a desire to literally be a part of and belong to some-such euro nation-state. While that exists, if you really asked people about this in detail many would say that they are American.America is a distinct identity, but every incentive is made for people actually in America to downplay their own American-ness, and many have a vested interest to ignore it. The heritage of being American goes back to Alfred the Great and Hengist and Horsa just the same as the identity of the English does. Europeans, understandably, don't grasp what is going on here because they have never lived here and don't really know anything about America.
>>223938313Euros when talking about Americans:>Your ancestry doesn't matter, where you grew up does.Euros talking about their doctors and engineers:>Where you grew up doesn't matter, your ancestry matters.
>>223938313German-Americans aren't really a thing like Irish and Italian ones are.
>>223938659>>223938765Your country is a Museum since Europe makes no progress anymore.>Inb4 those new bottle capsOkay that one thing but that's it!
>>223939572Wdym
>>223938313I'm not american but south-american. Anyways... Now you have make me reflect in my actions, im sowwy
>>223939668Irish and Italian Americans are prominent identities here since most came over more recently (Italian-Americans are only like a 100 years separated from Europe) and because they were Catholic so they weren't as readily assimilated into WASP culture.Germans came over here earlier in the colonial era and could assimilate faster dur to being Protestant. So "German"-American isn't that big a thing here. I live in the rural Midwest and no one really cares about it. They're just WASPs with Schultz for a surname
>>223939648ASML is Dutch.
>>223939448Can you point to a single post on 4chan by a European saying both of these things?
>>223939802In the 21st century the Catholic vs. WASP divide does not matter nearly as much as people make it out to be. What made these identities endure in certain locations is a dense core/ghettoization. This is also why a lot of these identities have declined, as many of these neighborhoods got filled with blacks and other immigrants, and people left for the suburbs, over the course of the 20th century. For a lot of Catholics, you would have no idea they were Catholic unless they expressly told you.
>>223940303I know it's not important now but it's left a residue which is why Eyerish- and Eyetalians- are still things and not so much Dutch -Americans or German-Americans
>>223940365yeah I agree, I just think it has more to do with 19th-20th century ghettos being seared into the collective consciousness.My distant cousin told me their grandmother always would go on and on about how "Irish" they were because they were Catholic and it turned out the whole time the cousin was 1/8 Irish 7/8 British, and the grandmother herself only a halfie.
>>223939802>>223939572I think national identity erodes within 2-3 generations. I know immigrants to the US from the USSR/Russia in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Their children who grew up in the US barely understand russian and often can barely speak it. And their grandchildren are generic white Americans and have nothing in common with Russia or the russian language.So I'm not sure there are any real "italians" or "irish" left in the US. If there are, they're recent immigrants, and there aren't many of them because the US has been closed to european immigrants for almost a century.
>>223940857I like the USA as a country but this is the reason I'd never commit to living there. All my heritage would get erased in 3 generations at maximum and that's if I'm trying. Hungary has donated 4 million people to the American project and outside of 1st gen immigrants none of it remains.
>>223940857This is true. My lineage is Irish and Italian, because I'm from the northeastern part of the country, and that's how things go here. My ancestors on both sides arrived in the early 20th century. We're really just garden variety Americans, like everyone else, at this point. It's sad, but at the same time, I'm really annoyed by people who are here and don't want to be American. If you don't want to be American, then fuck off to the country you want to be a part of.
