Why did China surpass Europe so easily?
europeans are a 19th century people
europeans had to invent it all. china only has to copy.
>>223964615Unironically mass population and cheap highly motivated labour.
first america surpassed europe and then america moved every single factory it had to china
>>223964615heartless bugmen ruined that beautiful mountain
>>223964615What do you mean surpass? Europe's high speed rail network is unmatched and we're currently building the longest (55 Km) railway tunnel in the world under the Alps.
>>223964615Why is China's GDP still so low?
>>223964769this. why didn't they just bore a tunnel?
>>223964615>can we just make a tunnel?>nah let's cut the whole hill like retarded brutes
>>223964615why didn't they tunnel through the mountains instead of slicing them offlatter looks so ugly
>>223965154why is your gdp lower than mississippi?>>223965188>>223965197>>223965214tunnels are expensive
>>223964615Because their population is 3 times as large
>>223964615Soviet style propaganda pieces. The railways are unused and are costing the government billions. Just google "china's rail debt" and you will find the exact figures.>However, it seems that the aggressive campaign to reap the lucrative economic dividends of HSR has increased the state-run operator’s total liabilities, which as of the end of 2021 reached 5.91 trillion yuan ($882 billion), or roughly 5% of China’s GDP, reported Asia Nikkei. >>223965188It wouldn't have generated the same amount of jobs. Stalinist central planing mindset.>>223965292>what's PPP?
>>223965292Why is your peepee smaller than 4 inches?
>>223965384They're used and help people. Who cares if they're not profitable?
>>223964615well for one it's one country with more people and a government that doesn't need to ask, they just do
>>223966465This is the Soviet mindset on full display. The most important thing in the world is how you spend the money. Spending it in any way except maybe burning it is going to have some benefit. That's not the issue. The question is always a benefit compared with what? China could've fed people, housed people, invested into useful infrastructure, invested into education etc with that money. Bad spending will show up in deficits elsewhere.
>>223966611It's useful infrastructure.
>>223965154They actively deflate their currency to keep exports and their work force competative. In return they get a massive market of domestically produced goods even if being poor in exchange rates
UGH... the power of Chinese engineering.https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cj4kg74ndggo
How can laowai even compete?https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/23/china/chinese-bridge-collapse-qinghai-intl
>>223966647Relatively more useful. It's losing money = not enough people are using it. China could've built normal rail and it would've provided more utility to the nation.
>>223966908>>223967014where's my lamb kebab? chop chop Mustafa
The red dragon awakens.https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/viral-video-shows-moment-giant-sinkhole-swallows-road-in-shanghai-10997501>>223967078>where's my lamb kebab? chop chop MustafaThe power of 五毛 deflection, lol.
>>223967042It doesn't mean it has to get as much profit as possible. It's better for people and better for the state and society. It shouldn't work to the full capacity all the time too.You have a weird mind "no x dollars = bad".
>>223967175How do you compare relative utility of investment? I'm telling you that you're stuck in a Soviet mindset of central planning. The government said there must be HSR here so it must be good. Why? It's overcapacity and overplanned. It was useless for the people and all it did was be a marketing stunt for how advanced China was.
CCP fanboys will never tell you what 豆腐渣工程 means.https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202506/1336847.shtml
>>223967285It's not overcapacity. Just look how everything is filled during their national holidays.
They shot whoever was in the way and paved over their graves.
>>223967315I looked. It's not filled. You didn't answer the question.>How do you compare relative utility of investment?How do you decide what should money be spent on. The sum of options for investment are larger than the available investment.
>>223967175he means that they could've made normal trains which would penetrate deeper into their lines and be cheaper as well and thus would be used by more. More along the lines of HSR being a poor investment for a large cunt(true) when cheaper options are better suited.
>>223967417>>223967430Okay, now I get it. But I still think that's not entirely right to say. And their railway system isn't entirely bad decision. Especially speed ones, considering how large their country is.
>>223967417>I looked. It's not filledhttps://english.news.cn/20260224/cf85131d1a984564aabb4bdcff31810e/c.html
>>223964615Yellow brain is better and bigger, whito doggo (mostly neolithic farmer sandnigger) you will see yellow century you fool.
Bruhbruh what if AI+whatnot solves the calculation problem
>>223964615They are run by a government who cares about the future of the chinese race and remembers the lessons of the century of humiliation. While ours is run by jews who hate us desutbh
>>223964615Gee I wonder why this shithole with 10 times Europe's population and size has more big infrastructure than Europe
>>223967285I actually like the Chinese HSR system, they are kind of the only country nowadays that still has that "You can just do things" attitude to it.In general China seems to have the attitude that makings things cheaper and providing excess demand is better than spending money on social welfare. Xi has spoken about how "Welfarism" in Latin America created stagnation. I always found it strange when leftists in Western Europe get into this China obsession. Such infrastructure projects are not really possibly in Europe due to much higher welfare spending, higher labour costs, smaller scale of economies and also more bureaucracy. So in a way I think it is cool that at least there is one country in the world who can do something like this.
>>223967912Another aspect that the HSR in China is different in a sense that it created a lot of value in the broader economy due to controlling the entire supply chain from the civic engineering, high-spec steel manufacturing, advanced train control systems, rolling stock manufacturing, etc. basically unlike in Europe there is no "capital spillage", all the cash got invested into the domestic market and employ hundreds of thousands of people
>>223967912I'm not sure what you mean by "providing excess demand" there. I'll say that the national output (~GDP) of a country can be spent either on capital or on consumption. US spends 20something percent on capital, Europe a little less. China spends like 40% on capital. So even when the capital it's inefficiently allocated, there's just so much development that they get a better standard of living decade-over-decade. This pro-capital tilt seems to be impossible to sustain in a democracy, and even most dictatorships will wind up handing out welfare with the dictator's name on it and stuff like that because it's easiest in the short run.
>>223967912>>223968047VPN off, Csang
>>223967651Holiday season in cities isn't a justification for building HSR in remote locations that could've been/were serviced better by lower speed rail. China already closed down 26 such stations as of 2024. These ghost stations will only multiply in number. Massive losses indicate that something has gone wrong. Imagine if you bought an automatic hoover for $10000 that sprinkles golden dust on your floor. You buy and it can't reach any of the shelves and gets stuck on the carper. You still paid for it though. Do you see the issue? You bought something for more than you should've and while it increased net utility, it wasn't worth it.The comparison of utility is the very basic concept on which economics rests and it's concerning that people don't get it. You could buy an apple for 1 euro or 10. It's an apple. It feeds you. Same with China's HSR. It transports you. But that's not the crux of the issue.>>223967912>You can just do thingsThe downside of this mentality is that the thing being done is controlled by a very small party elite and not informed by the needs of the population.>Such infrastructure projects are not really possibly in EuropeSuch infrastructure projects exist within Spain and France tough.
Chinese railway is not efficient thoughever. Despite the size of their stations, they see less trains and passenger volume than their european counterpart. Alot of those chinese stations are literally in the middle of nowhere, like 3 hours from the city.
>>223964615EU has been derailed by Polish nationalists.
>>223964615obviously because china is communist and is not concerned with lining the pockets of jews at the expense of the common goodalso was splitting that mountain really necessary?
The busiest station in China sees around 450 trains a day, while Paris Gare du Nord sees around 2100s trains a day. Gare du Nord is probably 1/10th the size of an average Chinese station with similar numbers of track and platforms. At this point a relative provincial station in Europe probably serves more people than the largest stations in China.Also picrel, the size of Tongren is roughly the size of the country of Slovenia, Tongren has a population around 3 mil vs slovenia's 2mil. In order to take HSR in that town you basically have to traverse the distance equal to that from ljubljana to trieste
