Are you excited for the future EU-wide high speed rail connections?
>>224020166No. I am very anxious about it.
>>224020166Germany alone cannot manage a decent train network and you have Ukraine there going as far as Donbabwe lol lmao.
>>224020192Blame your incompetent politicians for refusing to invest in rail the past 15 years
>>224020166Not really, it wont have much affect to my life
>>224020223>15 yearsMake it 30 years. Public debt is Bad you know
>>224020166Trains go *whooooosh* :DDD
>>224020223I doubt railway is economical when you figure in how much this shit costs to keep it goingit should only be used for freight transportthe entire thing is a giant waste of money
>>224020269>t. bmw driver
>>224020192>Germany alone cannot manage a decent train network.>Deutsche bahn network.>Decent.Oh my sides
>>224020269Kill yourself>>224020290lrn 2 read
>>224020290ESL moment
>>224020275>expects the state to subsidize his outdated travel fetish
>>224020308Who builds roads according to you? The road fairy?
>>224020327roads are neccessary, railway is not
>>224020269I like how the solutions traintards come up with to make it more popular always involve increasing the price for other modes more expensive so people are priced out of traveling entirely
>>224020269Railway is absolutely economical. Rail itself doesn't bring in that much money but it boosts every single sector of the economy. Infrastructure is a pillar of a good economy and rail is an important part of that pillar
>>224020166Yeah, trains are comfyI just hope browns from western "europe" won't explode inside
>>224020340Switzerland doesn’t do that and Switzerland is the best country when it comes to trains.
>>224020166sure, why notI like to travel by train, read a book, eat something and drink a beer in dining car, sleep etc.it's very comfy compared to driving
>>224020340No people just want trains to be cheaper. It's barely subsidized which is why it's often so expensive
>>224020340its a pet project of the greens herethey constantly come up with new ideas how they can waste our money on itit also gets them off to subsidize all the brown monkeys they let into the country and cram them into public transportthese arent rational people
>>224020373I take the train to work and never had any issues. Maybe in France it's different
>>224020166As a lanklet, travelling by train is by far the most comfortable way of doing so. Too bad our politicians are utter retards and our railway system is now one of the worst in europe.
>>224020406>Maybe in France it's differentYou ever took a train in Amsterdam?
>>224020446sure its comfybut we shuld make it clear that having railway is not economicalthen we can have a rational debate about how much we want to spend on that hobby
>>224020166Sure am. We just opened the railway to Sweden and it's gonna get built to Narvik.
>>224020497>A society reliant on mass car ownership is generally far less economical for a state budget than funding an efficient railway system. While individuals bear the personal upfront costs of vehicle purchases, fuel, and insurance, the "hidden" or external costs of a car-centric model place a massive, continuous financial drain on government budgets.>Macroeconomic studies consistently show that public transit investments yield a significantly higher return on investment (ROI) for the state. For example, comprehensive transportation studies indicate that every €1/ $1 invested in public transit generates roughly €3/ $3 in economic return (GDP), while car-dominated networks create structural economic losses.I'm going to eat breakfast now, but tell your parents that they failed in raising you.
>>224020589(((Macroeconomic studies)))
>>224020525Is the train up through Lapland really faster/cheaper than the ferry?
>>224020497>having railway is not economical.>nuclear is le bad.>America and Israel are our greatest allies.>Russian gas is cheaper ahah.>Electric cars will never replace our car market.>Why won't Dassault give us their technology for le free, germany has always been a trustworthy ally of France.Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Reddit
>>224020525>We just opened the railway to Sweden and it's gonna get built to Narvik.There is several problems tho. The Finnish rail gauge is different from Swedens (1524mm vs 1435mm), so the train going to Haparanda has to stop there no matter what. Expanding the line going to Narvik is mainly for heavy, slow iron ore transports, wich is built in a compleatly different way from what high speed passenger rail needs too.
how do they go over britian to connect ireland doe
>>224020614I lived in the town with the ferry and it's nice but it's too small, risky and slow to move an armoured division with.
>>224020614Absolutly not unless your end destination is in Lappland.
>>224020589sent that freak FLYING
>>224020639reddit loves railway, you french retardstop shitting up every thread, with your presence
>>224020676>reddit loves railwayYeah you would know that.
>>224020644We're working on it.
>>224020675your shithole only has a fraction of the railway germany has btwwhy are you even participating ina thread among first world people
>>224020694nice admitting your entire presence here is worthless and nothing but lies
>>224020701>>your shithole only has a fraction of the railway germany has btw.And it works infinitely better.Your point being?
>>224020647This is correct, but there really isnt a good solution for that at the moment. I do belive that the idea today is to take control of several civilian ships to basically run a constant traffic between Vasa and some place like Umeå
>>224020701France has a functioning railway, but hey, we have MOAR (which causes constant delays btw). Peak retardation.
>>224020695Are we really tho? I live in the area and have followed it pretty close, things are going incredibly slow.
>>224020721only their prestige speed railwayeverything else is run downits the french shithole afterall
>>224020761>nice admitting your entire presence here is worthless and nothing but lies
>>224020778truth hurts, french donkey?pic is what Germany invest vs what france invests
>>224020166no direct Berlin-Gdańsk connection? looks kinda weirdbut I know that Germans for some reason don't invest much in their eastern railways, like we asked them to bring the Berlin-Polish border line to hi-speed standard because that's what we want to do on our side, but they refuse to do so, so at this point it makes the project on the Polish side questionable as well
>>224020810Im not saying its the case here, but in general, Investment =/= output tho. Both Germany and France invests an equal ammount in their military too, but France can afford nuclear weapons, a larger army, a significantly larger navy (carriers/nuke subs) etc etc, since god awful Bundeswehr burocracy eats up a ton of money.
>>224020720A bridge gets proposed at times but it's always too expensive, just build the rail.
>>224020865France isnt even relevant in Ukrainetheir army is a jokeall the french have is a big mouth
>>224020810>The country with 90 million people and a terrible train network invests more in railroad than the 66 million people country, with a very decent train network.Oh my. Thank you captain obvious. Nice google image graph too.Kill yourself.
>>224020865hey, we gotta afford those lgbt and whamen friendly Bundeswehr ads I get on youtube. Because fags and bulldykes is what makes me want to join the military, always has been.
>>224020877We will fight the russians in poland/ukraine to the last german.
Investing in rail is never a bad thing imo.
>>224020878you dont have a decent railway otuside of the prestige speed rail, you lying french donkey
>>224020895Im not trying to convince you, im not polish.Enjoy the fun.
>>224020889dont exhaust yourselfthe last time your shithole was relevant was 200 years ago
>>224020363How? If youve got great road betworks and a strong auto industry railways might not be that economical.
>>224020676>reddit loves railway,because it's an American site and American leftists see Europe as one big Disneyland so for them trains are just one of European tourist attractions you simply ride for fun, not actually use it to commute to work or school. If Americans really had to rely on trains for their daily activities and struggle with reality of constant delays or having to share your space with people who might act violently to you, they'd quickly go back to their SUVs. Don't get me wrong, I like trains but I'd also never trust any kind of public transportation for my daily commute, my time is too important to me to use toys irl.
>>224020477I live in Amsterdam. Never had any issues
>>224020910You wish.
>>224020810All those investments and your rail infrastructure is still garbage compared to France
Tons of Europeans use public transportation or bike to work though you don't have to import every argument from America.
>>224020960Well to be honest the Eurostar is hardly a dutch train. I took back what i said.You have my apology.
>>224020380I will take the train if they bring back compartments. Im not sitting with the dregs of humanity in an open plan carriage
>>224020916I'm not an expert on this but I believe it goes as following:Trains are a lot more efficient at moving people than cars, they are faster and carry more people. Connecting 2 large cities with high speed rail means people can commute for work between those cities. Places that are well connected by rail will have a larger pool of talent companies can profit from. The same applies to goods you can transport on trains instead of trucks.Rail takes off the load from roads, preventing traffic and reduces the time spent on travelling. Overall less travel time means more productivity means better economy
>>224021076here compartments are in each long distance train, usually around 1/3 of the trainit's fine if you travel with friends/family but if you sit closed with 5 other, unknown people it can get weird sometimes. Now it's not a big problem anymore but back in the 1990s it was quite common that people would get robbed or even worse things happened in such compartments.
>>224021102>they are fasterNo.
>>224021134It's faster to take the train to cities like Brussels, Paris, Berlin and London than driving. The train to Paris is almost twice as fast than by car
>>224021102Id be happy for heavy goods to exclusively travel by rail so we didnt have lorries on the motorway. But surely things still need to be transferred from the depot to the places receiving them which negates the point. Its also really heavily skewed towards big cities.Historically i think tourism and a lot of the economy grew when people had their own cars and could go away for the weekend or spontaneously, a family trip where you can pack the car is a lot easier than lugging everything on the train.
>>224021134Why did germans used trains to transport jews to the death camps if they believe cars are faster?Really makes no sense to me.Maybe it was psychological torture?
>all of ukraine>all of cyprusdelusional yurocrats
>>224020918Reddit lefties can't decide if Finland is a socialist Disneyland of a Nazi hickstate with massive amount of private cars and guns. Turns out you can be both if you're smart enough.
>>224020166>Gets delayed 2038
>>224020188Our government is gonna send you jeet hordes at 200 km/h
>>224020497are you sure you're german? you're annoyingly unautistic
>>224020192We are literally building a standard gauge rail from polish border to Kyiv right now, retard.And it's preposterous that DB is somehow less punctual than UZ, despite the latter being hit with the full spectrum of conventional weaponry in the russian arsenal daily.
>>224020918>my time is too importantno it's not
>>224021336Having 1 option doesn't mean you have to exclude the others. Sometimes taking the train is more convenient, sometimes the car is betterThere is freedom in options. It would suck if you were forced to always take 1 mode of transport because that's all your country has
>>224020166Not much, upgrading the existing lines to standard gauge, reenabling the central connection through the pyrenees, and deciding what to do with the narrow gauge network in order to move goods do.
>>224020166Why are Crimea and Donbass blue?
Good thing OPs map is outdated when it comes to Poland because luckily my city is getting HSR too and not left out
>>224020614>Is the train up through Lapland really faster/cheaper than the ferry?If you live here in Lapland yeah. Last time I took a car ferry across I had to drive 13+ hours down to Stockholm, spend a night onboard and then repeat when going home. Not something I would do again because it sucked ass.
>>224021669>We are literally building a standard gauge rail from polish border to Kyiv right nowit won't be HSR standard, tho
>>224020166Why are they building it in Russia?
Fixed.
>>224020614>>224020647>>224020662I live a little south of lapland. rarely done the trip to stockholm during adulthood but I've tried>driving north of the gulf into swedenstarted in the morning, reached accommodation the next morning in the early morning hours. poor road conditions in northern sweden; watched a commercial vehicle slide sideways into the ditch in front of me.>driving to turku and taking ferryrealistically still going to use the day (or night) for driving mainly, and the ferry crossings I've taken consume another day/night (at least you can rest)train sounds potentially worthwhile if you spend a couple-few hours taking a train to haparanda and getting on a sleeper train. never flown that route either but I could see myself considering either option
>>224021839The OP pic isn't really a HSR map, it's a TEN-T map
>>224020166>random high speed line from Sweden to Narvik or whateverwhy
>>224021870very specific edit, care to explain?
>>224021870What did Riga ever do to you?
>>224022119Looks like a vatnik troll to cut NATO out of Kaliningrad.
>>224022099>>224022119Latvia's progress on rail baltica hasn't been great exactly.
>>224020166Seems like a waste of money. Just use planes.
>>224020166no i can't say i'm excited about something that will never happen
>>224020166Humans are fucking retarded
>>224020639We need a final solution to the H*n menace.
>>224020639This.
>>224020166love trains, the comfiest way to travelit's so nice to sip beer or coffee while watching the landscape pass by>>224020639bodied that freak>>224021076I don't like these, it's not comfortable to travel with strangers sitting directly in front of you faced in your direction
>>224020308But enough about aviation
>>224024907>yeah bro, built your railway on russian soil. What's the worst that could happen? haha
No because between the real Europe and Turkey there is a black hole of infrastructure called the Balkans. They've been in EU for how many years now? Yet their rail is shittier than Turkey (and roads and many other things). It's not like Turkey has good rail in the first place. Balkanoids are the most useless people in Europe, just dead weight. At this point just plop Turkey on top of them bro it’s not worth it bro just disband the region bro.
>>224020916Lmao it takes the average person in the UK 18 months to get a driving licence and £15k in just to go from begining to having their own car
>>224020269Not everyone can drive hans, an economy benefits when there's a large pool of people within commutable distance to business, this is why high density countries with functional infrastructure are the strongest economies.
>>224020269you are brown
>>224020639vériténuké
>>224024907vpn off
>>224020269I don't understand carfags like you. You don't want anyone using a different mode of transportation besides cars yet you also don't want the roads to get congestedMultiple modes of transportation likes trains causes less cars on the road. Isn't that what you want retard?
