Has anyone read Ulysses?

So when are we having the next /LANG/ meetup?

It's probably too late to schedule one for 2026, but there's more than enough time for one in 2027.

First thing's first, where are we gonna have it?
Jordan - Jordie is the most notable poster here and Jordan is roughly in the centre of the old-world / afro-eurasian continent which is as close to being 'central' as you can get on a globe.
Serbia - Serbro is the second most notable poster here except he actual learns languages and is helpful to others. If anyone deserves to have it close to home then it is him.
USA - A lot of posters in this thread come from this country, even if I can't tell any of them apart. It also makes sense to have it in an english speaking country as it is the one language we all have in common.

If you guys have any other suggestions then feel free to share them.

>>224181806
We are meeting up at the next polish cultural festival in canada, we will be walking down the highway as custom

>>224181925
I'm afraid I can not make it to vancouver on such short notice, but good luck to those who choose to attend!

>>224181569
Couldn't pass 20 pages

>Paris
>Southern Europe

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What type of people make you feel like doing this? (/lang/uistically speaking).

>>224182744
It was around page 30 when I came to understand I needed to read a dozen books more before even attempting to fully understand Ulysses.

>>224184176
I was gonna bitch about the "start with the greeks" and the several translations of them with each one having their own flaws however I was thinking of the odyssey and illad when you meant that book where he jerks off for a chapter.

>>224181806
>If anyone deserves to have it close to home then it is him.
I'm not sure why you're saying that as if it's somehow a great honour to be terrorized by a /lang/ meetup

>>224181806
jordan is almost certainly going to be a warzone next year; serbia's nice; god bless america

>>224185789
get out of my general glowie

>>224184800
I‘m talking about James Joyce, ya black and than, good for nothin, twaat.

I don‘t actually mean this.

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>>224186219
i've had a grave insult thrust unto me with that slur you just stabbed at me with, and i'm going to promptly go wash off the glow stick liquid i happened to have smeared all over myself. blame mossad for what they are/have/will doing/done/do

>>224186419
I know, I wasn't joking when I said that however I didn't read the book either. Apparently it's a scene in it.

>>224186467
I know. I just didn‘t want to hurt the feelings of what I imagine to be a soft, pale and dark haired british twink, which is how I imagine all british posters.

>>224186512
Nah, that's the english down south. Frankly i'm offended that you didn't want to hurt my feelings. You're a fucking faggot however that is basically the curse of all feminine slovianians who speak serbian so I can't hold that against you.

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Getting rejected during Pimsleur scenes hurts the same every time

>>224187248
This is why I use AI, AI will never reject me, AI will never leave me, AI will always love me.. love me... love me... love me... love me...

>>224187277
This is another plus for Pimsleur for realism. You get turned down in your TL

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>>224187277
This is the funniest intreperation of AI I heard someone compare it to.

Anyways... Dropped Spanish and get back to German and Italian after short holidays. I also need to master English and I want to learn one Asian language before I die, and it's not easy as an unc with an old mind, a job and other hobbies. Any tips how to learn three languages at the same time? Learning at different times during the day, or just pronunciation in one language, grammar in another, and just words in a third one durning a day?
>>224187340
Kek

>>224186644
I‘m an Ostrogoth, mind you. And I‘m not a faggot. Scotts also have twinks afaik but I imagine them differently from how I‘ve described english twinks. And it‘s time you became independent for the sole reason of having your own flag on int.

>>224187248
It’s really bizarre how one prompt to the next is talking to a foid about your wife and kids and the next asking her to go out for drinks. Do normalfags really?

>>224187592
>Had to specifically specify that they are infact not a faggot just incase I actually thought that.
>The correction only makes me think to be literally the case.
THOSE FUCKS SHOULD GIVE ME THAT FLAG ALREADY. WE ARE TECHNICALLY OUR OWN COUNTRY ALREADY.
But yeah, MI5 already rigged the independence vote on purpose so we won't be winning via democracy anytime soon.

Besides that, they are twinks in scotland however, the general population of the south are twinks or immigrants. No inbetween.

>>224188226
No more warrior class englishmen? It‘s all cute hobbits?

How about scotland? How about (You) in scotland?

>>224189114
Lets not entirely derail this thread from language learning to pol. I pretty sure any warrior class is dead from how the british military numbers look.

Closest thing to a scottish warrior class is a ned with an empty buckfast bottle preparing to give everyone a scottish handshake.

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>>224189629
No, I actually meant a knight class bodytype. Like a normal 50s man. Physically capable and whatnot.

I‘m asking if you‘re a scottish twink.

>>224189683
Oh my god, you are actually a faggot. Fuck no. Stop trying to shag twinks on /lang/ and use hellotalk for that or grindr.

>>224189747
I‘m not a fag. This thread is dead, I‘m trying to learn more about scottland.

>>224189823
When I learn about cultures, I don't ask their body types and how many twinks live there.

Unfortunately, wales is the coolest one in the UK. We're like the hawaii of europe, half our culture is artifical. Kilts are traditional but like at special event like weddings and clans don't really exist and neither does our language except like 5k speakers in the highlands or islands. Closest thing to scottish media you could watch is trainspotting, still game and chewing the fat.

I hate England so I won't have anything particularly cool to say about it.

How can I improve my English? A while back, I used to read and listen to a Harry Potter at the same time, and I was doing a pre-made anki deck with selected quotes from the book (I can’t find it now, it was probably taken down due to copyright issues), and it helped me a little. Should I go back to that, or are there any better methods?
>inb4 more passive input
After a certain point, it stops working or progress is too slow
Also, should I head towards British or American English? I like old British radio dramas, skits, and sitcoms, but Americans produce more new content, translate more and their version seems more international. Or should I just mix it however I like?
>>224187542
Never mind, I was just having a bit of a crisis, but I decided to choose one language and polish my English at the same time
>>224189962
What's so cool about Wales? I once met a funny girl from there, but other than that, Wales doesn't seem to be very well represented in the media, aside from a few jokes here and there and that one movie about a police officer on transfer

>>224189962
>wales
They seem boring.

>scottland and allegations of homosexuality
I like the way some scottish lassies look. Darkish red hair paired with the fairest skin imaginable. Only in Scottland. And asking about the twink population of a country is one of the first things you should inform yourself about if you‘re still in your early 20s. Nothing gay about it. I for one wouldn‘t like to travel to bulgaria and be surprised that all the people are ugly thus ruining my stay.

I mean there‘s nothing to see in bumgaria it‘s just the first cunt that came to mind for making my point.

why are japanese such perverts compared to koreans? it's a weird culture shock going from korean to japanese

>>224190486
koreans are just better at being two-faced

>>224189962
Honestly preferred the lowlands stuff for this reason.

>>224190332
>What's so cool about Wales?
I have a good friend from Bangor and I lived in England, it’s England but in Bangor they speak Welsh. Scotland is England but they seethe about it. It’s a lot of the same but also different. Wonderful place, possibly best in the world.

>>224190467
*scotland
It's just one t
>>224190801
Have you tried medically assisted suicide? We have our own parilment and is a seperate country with our own elections. Fuck off with that shit.

>>224190467
>I like the way some scottish lassies look. Darkish red hair paired with the fairest skin imaginable. Only in Scottland.
they're mostly ugly and talk like shrek. they're also rabid angry feminists worse than even american feminists

This general is dead. Keeps dying before max posts

>>224191129
This is mostly correct except they will still expect to hit you without reprecussion despite this and I DO mean it and they do get away with it. However they are usually hot and/or they punch like (because they are) women.

>>224190955
My bad. I‘ve been writting a lot in german recently and keep thinking Schottland.

>>224191129
>ugly
Not the ones I‘m thinking of.
>shrek
That‘s not TRUUUU IRN BRUUUU

>>224191322
What voice do you think shrek was based off? Actually, you may not believe this but I may also speak like shrek.

Since we're just trying to keep this thread alive despite derailing it, do we consider american english it's own language? I do. American culture sucks and I hope they continue to try and become an isolationist shithole and leaves the rest of the world alone.

>>224191423
>american culture
do you mean this?
https://youtu.be/2-KLXM-gMSE?si=7VGqssRME4f_Vn24

or do you mean the hollywood/pop/youtube export content that is statistically consumed at a higher rate outside of the US than inside?

foreigners always talk to me about pop culture shit expecting me to know what they're talking about and half the time I haven't even heard of it

>>224191423
I‘m sure there‘s a cuter version of scottish than just rural scottish.

>>224191743
rural scots actually speak much more pleasantly than urban generally

>>224191807
Then find me a rural maiden, I shall. Kind of a Lana del Rey Anne Hathaway crossover type.

>>224191593
I mean the americans crying online about bo healthcare, politics, their ideas of defending their country by always invading some third country shithole and ficking up global prices, superhero movies and car culture meaning ZERO public transport anywhere. God damn, even russia made a trainline across to vladivostok. Every modern country has one except the USA. The US is like the poorest first world country in the world. But I need not continue.

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>>224191937
>le twitter bots and polbots online are an accurate representation of american politics

literally no one supports the wars here except 70 year old retarded boomers. if you are reading someone defending any of america's military activities online and they are not 70 years old they are either a bot or a troll

>>224192160
Well, obviously this is the first war that is majorly unpopular in the US since forever. Some americans I absolutely believe would defend the invasion of vietnam or the middle east before the iran war. This is the first war where the US president doesn't give a fuck.

That doesn't dismiss the culture of wanting to invade third world shitholes all the time though.

Now to skirt this towards internal culture of the us so the mods don't smack me for talking too much politics, the no public transport thing is awful and the US doesn't really produce anyrhing culturally worthwhile. Only reason why they have the biggest box offices for movies is probably due to laundering (fuck off, no one bought that many avatar tickets) or advertising so much that you had to know about.

I don't wanna say the US is rotting culturally but it's not their fault. It'a contrained by retarded rules, beaucrats and politics. Oh and their superhero movies. The boys was the ONLY good show and they fucked it up after like the first season. I thought the idea of normal people killing corrupt demi god like superheros was an amazing concept until it was obvious no one important will die and then the plot became make fun of celebrities and politicians which isn't the worse but took me out of the believability of the show. Removed the stakes of it all.

>>224192454
>the invasion of vietnam

History-illiterate detected.

>>224192454
What is Vietnam?

>>224191423
it would've taken an additional 200-300 years of isolation from other english dialects for american english to diverge far enough to be considered its own language like scots is, however with the internet and american english being dominant what's more likely to happen is there either being a koine formed between the major dialects of english or american english simply encroaches into britain replacing the local dialects, terminally online autists have already been complaining about gaining american features and losing local ones because they basically grow up on american content. with more and more people growing up on the internet what could happen is some twisted form of internet american english slowly displacing other english dialects and even other languages in non-english speaking countries (this assumes that they don't engage with local content or speak to people IRL which is only becoming more common as time goes on)
basically american english is too culturally big to fail and it is more likely for it to literally replace every other language in the west than for it to just disappear into indian english level irrelevance, though neither should happen and the status quo will persist if people just clown americanisms and code switching so we don't devolve into metro manila tagalog tier babble

>>224192454
>talking about movies I've never heard of
I haven't watched mainstream media in many years but some good tv shows that were domestic-oriented and not made for an international market back in the day were boston legal, criminal minds, all the star trek series, etc.
I not only have never heard half the shit foreigners talk to me about but none of my friends or family ever mention any of that stuff either. I'm literally more likely to hear people from other countries mention it than people I know in this country. I'm sure plenty of normie americans watch that shit but its literally more popular *per capita* in other countries than it is here not just in total global viewership.

It's the same with whatever youtube shit like asmongold they all statistically have higher viewership rates in ireland and australia and the UK than they do in the US

>>224193004
I don't know if you are correct or not but regardless, american mainstream normie shit is advertised to us excessively.

>>224192828
Come on, they installed a puppet government and then failed to hold the country after the north rised up.

>>224193177
>they installed a puppet government and then failed to hold the country after the north rised up.
Burger is right, you are history-illiterate. Kindly do look up when the North/South split happened in Vietnam and which country participated in that (mon dieu quelle surprise).

>>224193343
You and the american may be right but it's more fun if I put my fingers in my ears and make up shit I think happened instead which is all of america invaded vietnam and lost.

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Is this still true? I'm wary of learning chinese now

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What's the best way to achieve fluent English output after 20 years of English CI? I was too anxious to ever speak with anyone online, so my output has been very limited, mostly anonymous comments like this. I tried reading a book aloud for an hour. Massive gains, really, suddenly I could read a text out loud without confusing near by sibilants, etc. Still working on my autistically flat prosody.

>>224191423
>I hope they continue to try and become an isolationist shithole and leaves the rest of the world alone.
you want us all gone from /lang/? what if we learned latin/french together and revived the angevin empire for you as a little treat and a sign of friendship?

>>224191937
Of all the people on Earth one wouldn’t expect the British to complain about invading shitholes.

>>224194442
>I tried reading a book aloud for an hour. Massive gains, really, suddenly I could read a text out loud without confusing near by sibilants, etc.
i had the same experience learning korean. after thousands of hours struggling to move at a snails pace once I got to the point where I had enough coverage that I could read without looking anything up suddenly sky-rocket progress, more improvement in days than I had in weeks previously

As for talking I don't think there's any trick to getting good at talking besides talking a lot.

>>224190955
>Have you tried medically assisted suicide? We have our own parilment and is a seperate country with our own elections. Fuck off with that shit.
Behold the aforementioned seethe.

>>224194448
>you want us all gone from /lang/?
This is our site. They’re the foreigners here, always encroaching on our internet and complaining.

>>224194442
Gotta go talk to people. Shadowing might help a lot.

>>224192454
Being cynical and bitter is pretty much the norm in bongistan, having lived there, but it’s probably the ugliest part of modern British culture. Complaining about the US is a big way to vent that, I get it, but still it’s disturbing how utterly aimless people felt there, while being so smug and judgmental of everywhere else on Earth.

i have a question for the resident pole, why is kniga considered "colloquial, humorous"

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kniga

does it have some double meaning?

>>224194776
probably because it's a borrowing from russian so it would be like using a random french/italian word in portuguese

>>224194544
We stopped it at at least
>>224194448
I mean the annoying ones, which are probably normies unlike us. Anyone who uses instagram since holy fuck that produces radically retarded folk unheard of recently.
>>224194753
I enjoy it, it's also the only proper way to view reality. If you go hoping 24/7 and not expecting to get fucked by everyone then you are just going to build yourself up for constant letdowns. Better to be real and expect the worse 24/7 and oh boy I have been correct for almost 6 years now.

>>224195075
I think one day I will learn Received Pronunciation and British idiomatic expressions etc so I can shed my heavily Americanized Eastern European accent
for my Latin pronunciation what helped was just studying papers on how it was pronounced (according to our best knowledge), looking up how to make the IPA sounds and just consciously reading that way until it became second nature (as it is becoming the case for me to unconsciously pronounce vowel lengths correctly)

>>224195794
replied to the wrong person
whatever

>>224195674
>We stopped it at at least
Suez crisis. We stopped you.

Also your attitude being so widespread in your country is why you’re gonna get passed by Poland.

I’ve had a lot go wrong in my life but also a lot go right, but things only started going right when I stopped assuming they would go wrong.

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>>224194578
No, I meant it literally, at the start sibilants (/s/, /z/, /ʃ/, /ʒ/) from nearby syllables and words would often bleed into others, but after an hour I could pronounce different ones in the same word. (Finnish has only one).
Like I've understood English "perfectly" for 15 years, it's just that it has been 99.9% input.
This is pretty much in line with ALG. I'm "damaged" in my writing capabilities but not so much in speaking. So what's the ALG thing to do after inputting a language for 50k+ hours?

>>224196374
50k hours is too much, after doing the math. But mostly English content for 20 years, that's what 10k-20k hours, at least? idk

>>224196374
>damaged in writing
So far your writing hasn't been bad at all. I'm curious what you fuck up with your writing skills.

Porn addiction helps me learn Japanese. I can't imagine people learning French or German with that

>>224198642
Same thing but easier

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Fuck brehs reading Latin is so intoxicating when it’s easy but literally none of it is ever easy. I was bored at work rereading some Caesar without any tools or translations and it was just nonstop ecstasy being able to fluently grasp his prose and idiom with precision. But I know the second I go to an unfamiliar work/author it’s back to the grindstone because of the corpus all being so hard. Even the linguistically simple stuff still requires you to sit down and read some 18th century mathematician or something. Someday I need to just start translating a bunch of easy stuff for people, not readers or anything, but like that one legend translating hentai into Latin. It’s just a great language but it’s locked behind the need to mostly learn by grinding (yes boring readers counts as grinding).

>>224199896
I don't find grammar to be the issue with reading Latin just vocabulary

>>224199896
You're not wrong, so just cheat. Take the parallel translation pill. Read English-language summaries of the work before you read it in Latin. Skip parts that are too difficult. Do what you have to do. It's every man for himself.

>>224201569
I literally do this on the recommendation of the bald man. I read rapidly line by line or paragraph by paragraph comparing the two, then weeks later I’ll reread the section.

Summaries are also essential less for linguistic reasons but simply for historical reasons sometimes. Like it helps to read the endnotes for a chapter on my gesta francorum and have any specialized or ambiguous terms clarified, it’s just a shame scholars stopped writing their endnotes in latin and switched to vernacular lol.

I do find Servius’s commentaries on the Aeneid to easy enough to be useful for actually getting Vergil, but reading it is so time consuming since it’s a page long discussion of every word, compared to just blitzing through a big chunk of lines with a loeb.

The last time I recall saying Mister, Missus, or Miss was in high school almost a decade ago.
Is that just an Australian thing?

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As a greek diaspora I have learned to appreciate the greek appartments. You can keep your wood creaking cucksheds. Give me my own balcony with shade and marble floor interior.

>>224181569
Où somme-nous ?
Où est-il allé ?
Est-ce que tu as une carte ?
Je ne l'ai vu pas.
Excusez-moi, je viens d'arriver.

Je ne suis pas sûr, mais je pense qu'il est environ à l'est d'ici.
Est-ce qu'il était près quand tu as venu la dernière fois ?
Tu dois le vérifier, puis tu dois encore le vérifier.
Ça se passe encore et encore avec toi, et je m'en lasse.

Les Song a souvent entré en conflit contre les dynasties Liao, Xia de l'ouest, et Jin du nord de la Chine. Naram-Sin a pris l'action de se déclarer lui-même un dieu vivant et d'adopter le titre 《Roi des Quatre Quartiers》. À partir de la troisième millénaire avant notre ère, des comunautés austronésiphones s'ont déplacés du sud de Taiwan, par les Phillipines, et à l'archipel Indonésien, où des langues apparentées s'ont finalment propagées sur le majorité des îles.

>>224181569
Càit a bheil sinn?
Càit an rach e?
A bheil mapa agad?
Chan eil mi a faicinn e/i.
Gabh mo leisgeul, tha mi air ruighinn an seo.

Chan eil mi tinnteach, ach tha mi a smaoineachadh gu bheil e/i an ear air an seo.
An robh e/i faisg nuair an robh thu a thiginn an àm a chaidh?
Feumaidh tu a dhèanamh cinnteach, an dèidh sin feumaidh tu a dhèanamh cinnteach a-rithist.
Tha e a tachairt riud uair is uair a bharrachd, agus tha mi a siaranachadh.

>>224201846
No we say it too. More than that.

>>224202801
Maybe I should have emphasised that I have never said it or heard outside of American media.

>>224202821
Since high school*

>>224201569
Today I read 5 new chapters of dbg with parallel translation, mined/read 3 of de bello civili with yomitan, and reread 10 chapters of dbg unassisted. All in about an hour.

What’s the weirdest/ most ironic translation of a work into a particular language you can think of?
E.g. Ulysses into Ithkuil or Isaac Asimov’s sci-fi into Hawaiian Pidgin English.

>>224205303
>most ironic
Mein Kampf into Hebrew

>>224205347
What about Yiddish?

>>224205500
That works too, I suppose.

feeling cute might check out what ottoman turkish is like
people i know irl said it's absolutely cancerous but surely it can't be that bad, worst part is probably the vocabulary

>>224208074
Sei uomo rana?

cartoons are boring

I'm gonna read the news while listening to the news on my 'puter

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favorite figure from your TL's country?

is your tl boring like french or russian or is your tl cool like yoruba or somali?

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>>224211285
>is your tl something with interesting culture and literature or is your tl a dumb monkey language?

>>224211285
>Is your language boring because it has libraries full of literature, world-influential pop culture or are you learning an interesting language that didn't even have an alphabet up until 40 years ago.

Have fun learning those 'interesting' languages.

>>224211285
Do you have to learn the ooga booga dances too to be considered fluent in those?

>>224211421
>tf
>tp
why are you making fun of your own language?

>I REFUSE TO LEARN A LANGUAGE THAT HASNT GOTTEN A DUB IN MY FAVORITE ANIME OR VIDYA!!!
t. manchild

>I REFUSE TO LEARN A LANGUAGE THAT HASNT GOTTEN A DUB IN MY FAVORITE ANIME OR VIDYA!!!
t. based chad

>>224211285
did the island of aruba threaten the creators of yoruba for infringing on their trademarked usage of the word ruba?

the older i get, the more im forgetting english

>th-th-there are no resources for this language!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_World_Service#Languages

>>224213723
English? What's that?

Maybe not the best place to ask, but does anyone know any good comprehensible input course on English for someone who knows the Latin script and very basic vocabulary, but no grammar.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/bt8k8p/ellen_being_rude_to_the_translator/

let’s be petty and arbitrary, which language has the best _____ ?
>script
>phonology
>grammar
>vocab
>regional accents
>native media (music, vidya, literature, film, etc.)

>>224214943
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/221572590/#221582311

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>>224214943
>script: latin
>phonology: android, i hate apple
>grammar: latin
>vocab: latin
>regional accents: american english
>native media:english>japanese>chinese

>>224216738
>native media:english>japanese>chinese
i'd put korean over chinese

>>224216860
i was considering korean as well but only because of recent years and their growing cultural output in terms of music, movies and tv which definitely punches above themself but thought chinese just has a much larger inventory of the stuff. more is not equal to the best, but the amount of media they have means there's a better chance of having good media in the ocean of content they swim in; this does not take into account actually accessing the chinese stuff, which is where i'd put korean over chinese in that regard

I think it was a mistake to move from Latin being an international language of science to English

>>224214943
>native media
it's japanese>chinese>spanish>french>korean>german>russian

if you're looking to switch all your media to tl those are the only languages worth it everything else has major gaps

>>224217517
nobody cares about japanese media outside of anime and you can get that dubbed in other languages

>>224216860
>Korean media
slop dramas and shit music

>>224217577
>nobody cares about japanese media outside of anime
>Kurosawa
>Mishima
>Murakami (normies love him)
>Games
>you can get that dubbed in other languages
Wtf does this even mean? You can get anything translated and Japanese is arguably one of the hardest language to translate without losing a lot in the process.

>>224217327
it was a mistake but hindsight is 20/20 and nationalism, the centralization of power within governments through regulation of language and the spread of english (american and british) power would've been a tough combo to overcome for any lover of latin wishing to see a world where it has flourished. if the polish lithuanian commonwealth had remained intact and didn't get deluge'd once or thrice i think we'd be seeing a unipolar world ruled by the sole superpower of poland-lithuania where the official language is latin still
>>224217577
black and white samurai films are frequently placed alongside other revered, culturally significant creations such as sliced bread, the bible, and the wheel in terms of the enjoyment they bring to people around the world

>>224217577
why do you talk about things that you don't know anything about?

japan has everything from videogames to literature to movies(much better than western) dramas(much better than western) their own online ecosystem with different websites and social media, etc. it's a total complete alien media world you can consume content all day every day without getting bored (and without ever touching anime or nintendo)

>>224217940
>Korean media
highest IQ and arguably most technically advanced country in the world with tons of content covering covering science/tech/philosophy/etc and also the world's best gaming scene with the most pro players per capita, their own big streaming website that's much better than twitch, etc.

>>224218575
>Science/tech
They publish in English
>Philosophy
Lmao
>Gaming
almost as bad as anime

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you're being disingenuous now just to keep the thread active and for (you)'s

>mad eurofags
europe has barely produced anything of cultural or technological relevance in 80 years. all the countries besides the US that produce the most advancements and top cited papers per capita are asian countries (japan, korea, singapore). the only reason to learn a euro language is to read old literature and philosophy (which are also inferior to chinese literature). there is no reason in this day and age to learn a euro language over an asian language. even swahili or whatever is more interesting and gives access to good modern choral music and shit like that

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>>224218789
i'll pretend i didn't read the parts at the end about western philosophy and swahili and agree with you about the beginning

>>224210334
translating target language news wbw is way more intellectually stimulating than watching slop cartoons dubbed in my target language

>>224218789
Yet you still speak English and have never learnt an Asian language. Curious!

yall spend more time arguing

>>224218955
i have written extensively in korean like dozens of times in this general

>>224219003
Lmao
It will always be funny that there are people who poured 5000 hours into KOREAN instead of Chinese or Japanese

i like the nastaliq script but i don’t like any of the languages that use it
langs for this feel?

>>224218789
>euro literature
>inferior to chinks
Now that's cap, you're welcome to go through Dinners and Holidays of the Red Chamber to learn otherwise.

>>224214339
English by the nature method. Old fashioned but it works. Then watch a ton of TV.

>>224214943
>script
Latin
>phonology
Latin
>grammar
Latin
>vocabulary
Latin
>regional pronunciation
Latin
>native media
Easily Latin


Too easy.

>>224214943
Oh wait we can include English? Okay English on all fronts.

>>224219987
>latin is so sophisticated and cultured, learn lati
>learn latin
>read latin literature
>little gay brown androgynous pedophiles who insult eachother during debates by describing how they'll force anal and oral sex on eachother

im good bro

>>224218575
>highest IQ … country in the world
Guess that doesn’t help with Seoul’s utterly insane average income to COL ratio. Maybe being high IQ just predisposes a society to letting corporations drive up living costs to san francisco levels with japan-level wages.

>>224220049
chat is this true?

>>224214943
>script
Cyrillic honestly because I love how ч, ш, ж, and ы are their own letters. I feel like dinstictions of sh is so cool and english should adopt it for the memes. We could write "should" as "шyд"

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내 얼굴 when

>>224218954
You’re supposed to stimulate your brain working through prose for 30-60 minutes and then watch slop for 3 hours. People fuck up by either only grinding prose or by treating slop as seriously as prose. I saw one guy say he took hours to get through the opening of skyrim because he wanted to translate everything, which is fucking retarded, since the environment is immersive so you should immerse.

>>224220049
Hey I didn’t tell you to learn Latin. I know it’d be too hard for you so you should stick to spanish buddy.

>describing how they'll force anal and oral sex on eachother
Catullus was just a legendary shitposter and the joke went over your head.

Today I'm going to read a book in my target language.

>>224214943
>Deustch (until 1941)
>Tedesco
>Németül
>Alemán
>Allemagne
>Not German.

>>224224758
Never mind. I kept falling asleep and took a brief nap.

>>224221134
yes. it's the entire origin for sexual insults in western languages (bent them over cheeks clapped, got fucked, etc.) from ancient greek and latin. the middle finger as an insult also comes from ancient rome and represents a phallus. there are no equivalent terms or expressions like these in korean or japanese

>>224225629
the bedrock of western civilization

bamperu

Podcasts are so underrated in this general

Anyone know where I can find french dubbed anime? French subbed is ez to find but dubs seem more rare.

>>224228103
have you tried searching nyaa.si and adding "vf" to your query? there seems to be a fair few there

>>224228103
https://fmhy.net/non-english#french-francais

>>224181497
Serbia mogs all of these btw

Lets grind french lads and lets do it well. Best of luck with all your /langs/ today.

I have been passively dabbling in russian to argue against the russians who get shittalk in videogames and am now able to read russian cyrillic and read/understand basic phrases.
What is the next step if I want to learn it seriously now?

I've taught myself spanish fluently in my early teens to more or less give an idea of my language learning abilities

>>224229990
¿Cómo practicas tu español?

>>224229927
I will any year now I promise. I'm stuck im the JP lit swamp for now and can't find the time.

>>224214943
>script
Japanese, 2nd place Chinese
>phonology
Icelandic, 2nd place Norwegian
Not gonna do the rest

The Covenant from the Halo series and the Combine from Half-Life 2 are both called ‘La Alianza’ in Spanish dubs.

>>224214943
>Script
Uyghur
>Phonology
Hokkien
>Grammar
Mandarin
>Vocab
English
>Regional accents
Mandarin
>Native media
English

>>224228103
Anime-sama to

bimp

>>224214943
>german
german
>german
german
>german
german
German is the only language which matters
If your answers are anything other than your TL you have failed step of learning a language

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>I'm so happy that you sang in Japanese!
>Worshiping foreign things and fawning on foreigners is truly unpatriotic.
>???

>>224229990
idk but I'm surpised how much a tiny bit of russian help in cs.
cyrillic + insults + simple words (na B, ya B, odin mid, etc)
the bad thing about this is that now if you mute russian you're actually missing out on info

is there any way to acquire an aussie accent without living in australia

>>224237945
It's two Chinese people talking

>>224242301
impersonate crocodile dundee from the movie clips on youtube

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Finished my current novel tonight, and I'm going to start the golden pavillion now. I think I'm ready for it.
異神千夜 was great, some very nice descriptive language by the author, and the weird, surreral and melancholy story spanning the centuries from the mongol invasion to the present was really comfy. Would recommend/10.

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I have very little internal monologue*, so basically I'm an NPC without any thought according to some people on X.
Anyway, my point is that I sometimes find myself translating French phrases into English (most constructions are very similar) but very often when I'm speaking English, I have some idea in my head but no words express it. Like I'm not proficient enough with the idioms and sentences fragments to formulate my thoughts. And there's no original Finnish sentence at the bottom I could just translate, either.

* I don't have any "I" speech going on in my head, I have imagined monologues and dialogues between people, not necessarily involving me, some keywords and phrases that pop into my mind, but nothing resembling a narration. I don't see how it is even possible to do e.g. math with only narrative thinking, you have to find the end of the paren before you can comprehend the expression, it's impossible linearly.

minority languages be like:
>have hundreds of thousands of speakers but will be extinct within a generation because the speakers are all elderly and didn't pass it on to their children

>>224229990
i think you have to repeatedly bukkake yourself with vocab until you have a store of words to be able to read and learn more complex topics
i have a graded reader for this purpose, and i set up flashcards based on the stories to help me remember. my main focus is reading THOUGH

>>224242301
my friend said that some japanese ESL niggas sound australian
and i remember reading news stories of american kids sounding british after watching peppa pig

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Is there a way to get duolingo super for free

>>224248157
What graded reader do you have? I'm also learning russian and would love to know. I got a strong feeling that i'm probably going to brute translate a book or two or russian before I can start reading it without constant lookups unfortunately.

>>224249359
You’ll do yourself a big favor if you brute force a book that’s like 15k words max and 2k unique lemmas max.

>>224249600
Any suggestions on a book/s to brute force?

>>224249632
Well I’m not learning Russian. In my personal case, I brute forced the gospel of John for Latin. It was something like 2,000 lemmas and 12k words, so what happened is that by 1/4 in I had covered most of the lemmas that occurred on any given page, and by the second half I was actually sort of just reading. In other langs it may be much harder to read. In ancient Greek John has as few as 1,100 lemmas. A key ingredient there was that it made the other 3 gospels plus acts of the apostles mostly readable, so it meant I could go immediately read another 40k words. Rereading all of that twice got me to like 100k words of real reading on its own.

A good alternative would probably be the little prince. It exists in a ton of langs, is pretty short, and is supposed to have a fairly small vocabulary, so it’s popular for language learning. Plus most of the book is conversations. My french copy is under 50 pages.

A key step is to reread the book at least once through after you’ve ground through it, but really as much rereading as you can manage.

>>224249632
Oh and I used a program called LUTE to speed up the whole dictionary/lookup workflow, make sure to check that out. I didn’t keep using it after John but it was a lifesaver for breaking into my first book.

>>224249902
>>224249927
Alright, I'll try reading the bible I suppose and see how well that is and the little prince. Thanks for the advice.

>>224193777
No, knowing Chinese and not declaring it on your CV means you won't deal with that shite, but can still get the Chuzz (Chinese Huzz) and enjoy CDramas or Chinese FMV Dating Sims or whatever

>>224249359
i have an old one by bond & bobrinskoy. it appealed to me because the lesson is based on stories from russian classics, plus it was only $10 used. it assumes you know the basic words (about 100) and some grammar, and it introduces 10-15 new words in the footnotes, though it might be fewer than that as you move on. there are probably better ones, but my search was not extensive

the other guy suggested the bible, but wouldn't you rather read stories about russian niggas getting shot or dying from alcoholism? that's probably closer to modern life

>>224219135
>KOREAN
North Korea is very interesting though, and knowing Korean makes it easier to engage with the media they produce.
Arguably knowing Chinese or Russian gives you access to more resources regarding information about NK though, as they are a hermit kingdom o algo.
SK is a dystopian shit hole though, idk why anyone would learn Korean for them.

how many languages can you actually learn to fluency (C1)
I want to learn Latin, German, French, Ancient Greek, Italian and perhaps Russian and Arabic, but I don't know if I would be able to manage the latter two

>>224250872
>fluency
>C1
yeah right

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>I was horrified (and embarrassed as I am a Primary Teacher) when I learned about the caol/slender sounds. We were not taught them in school (only the spelling rule no phonology).
the absolute STATE of irish language education lmao.

>The results showed that L2 incidental vocabulary learning occurred through reading, listening, and viewing, and that the gain was retained in all modes of input one week after encountering the input.
>However, no significant differences were found between the three modes on the posttests indicating that each mode of input yielded similar amounts of vocabulary gain and retention.
>A significant relationship was found between prior vocabulary knowledge and vocabulary learning, but not between frequency of occurrence and vocabulary learning.
>The study provides further support for the use of L2 television programs for language learning.
watch that slop, king

Feng, Yanxue, and Stuart Webb. 2020. “LEARNING VOCABULARY THROUGH READING, LISTENING, AND VIEWING: WHICH MODE OF INPUT IS MOST EFFECTIVE?” Studies in Second Language Acquisition (New York) 42 (3): 499–523.

>>224250084
Do not simply "read the Bible." It's like 73 books and 750-1 million words. Limit your horizons dramatically. Pick one book at a time and treat that as its own project. John I specifically picked because it had the smallest vocabulary of the 4 gospels. Mark has more concrete and less figurative language, and is the shortest.

>>224251131
That's too many words, can't they like shorten it down to like a novel or something. Surely some of it must be padding.

Still haven’t decided on my next language yet. :(
These are my considerations:
>Wolof
>Hausa
>Somali
>Hindustani (more interested in Urdu than Hindi)
>Punjab
>Pashto
>Masri
>Mandarin
>Thai
I just use my French for reading novels and bandes dessinées and listening to Québécois music. I want to use the above languages for learning about the associated regions and not necessarily for speaking with natives. I’m interested in pursuing a degree in geopolitics.

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>>224251470
>can't they like shorten it down to like a novel or something
ecce

>>224237945
Chinese internet is a shithole

>>224250872
Languages, pick out one that you can do, okay? ONE that you can do as opposed to a whole bunch of them that you don't know what the hell you're doing.

>>224184137
duolingo streak posters

>>224251891
That’s not very nice, frater mi.

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>>224253004
Post your duolingo streak duo-chads

>>224253807
mine's 1302

>>224253807
>>224253933
Fat posters. What langs are you even learning americans? I think non-major langs on duolingo aren't worth the time.

>>224254432
isiZulu

>>224253807
Fuck man, caring about the streak is so retarded for how easy it is to game it.

>>224250872
You can only learn to speak 2-3 very well. If you don't care about speaking and want to input then you can probably learn ~8 if you're dedicated.

>>224251065
>A significant relationship was found between prior vocabulary knowledge and vocabulary learning, but not between frequency of occurrence and vocabulary learning.
Yes, the most common words are the hardest to learn, and less common words are often for specific things or topics or concepts and are thus easier to specifically remember.

>>224253807
If you have a streak above 100 you are doing something wrong. Duolingo is a good learning tool at the very beginning but after two or three months of daily 30 minuts of duolingo you should switch to more complex input.

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>>224253807
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sometimes i want to write vocab notes while i'm reading in russian, but my handwriting looks like shit. i need one of those penmanship notebooks

anyone else know this feel

>>224253807
why is it blue

How many of you can write English in cursive?

>>224256374
Cheating, he can't even keep it up. The streak I mean.

>>224256957
i can and i still do, but not a lot of young people write in cursive in america
it's something you were forced to learn in school around age 10, and but not many people continued to use it. i'd like to believe that they at least retain the ability to read it (but only real niggas know about long s)

i started doing cursive again because i lost points on a written assignment for my poor handwriting in high school, i got pissed off and learned the older style out of spite

>>224256957
I can only do it because for some reason they've taught us how to for French while English teachers didn't bother with cursive.

>>224258092
How many styles of cursive are there even?

>>224252582
youtube comments section retard

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шaпкa

What are the pros and cons of using a frequency-based vocabulary deck as opposed to one built for pedagogy. For example, routledge’s 5k frequency dictionaries often exist as anki decks online ; but so do lists like the Tango JLPT sentences.

>>224250872
>>224254710
Isn't there a German anon here who have 5 C2 certificates?

>>224266542
Did he learn them all from scratch?
Usually people that can speak more than a couple languages are just native speakers. Like someone who grew up in Luxembourg will naturally be able to speak French, German, Luxembourgish, and English.

>>224266907
Why is it always Americans that have to cope about there actually being self-taught polyglots out there?

Studying while doing something else sucks ass. My plan to become a polyglot won't come true because of this. I had a small vacation and made progress when I sat down to learn. Now I see, even while doing Pimsleur, how ineffective it is to do anything else, even driving or sitting on a bus

Here are the profiles of some HYPIA members.

Can you keep up with them? Yes, they had to submit proof and pass an interview in at least 6-7 languages to join the org.

https://www.polyglotassociation.org/community

>>224263311
Dunno but I have never finished a language frequency deck. I usually drop it around 2500-3000 cards and just do full immersion.

why are all of you dabblers who have a chronic need to daaabble to reach some nonsense milestone like hyperpolyglocy, you'll never need to know 5+ foreign languages at C1+ just pick one language that you'll actually use and grind that one out
no wonder no one here learns languages, the only people showing signs of improvement here are the ones with a single TL

>>224268973
There is some (like me) who spends all their time on one TL and still barely able to understand, read, write or speak it at all. I think it's cause we're all retarded.

>>224268847
Imagine being this unemployed

>>224263311
i wrote this in a post above: prior vocabulary size is associated with incidental vocabulary learning
they can be useful for learning the basic words and priming for reading comprehension. i think topic-based decks could fill in knowledge gaps in the frequency-based deck
in my opinion

>>224268847
Are you the anon who got in?

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>>224268973
>the only people showing signs of improvement here are the ones with a single TL
True. Matt vs Japan was right.

>>224268847
Is there like an actual point of being a member other than bragging rights?

>>224268973
>>224269966
While I do agree I do think someone who is western euro easy mode maxxing and doing something like German and French would still progress faster than someone being a single language focus chad in something like Chinese or Japanese. Focusing on one thing is still the superior way though.

>>224270520
>I do think someone who is western euro easy mode maxxing and doing something like German and French would still progress faster
I sure hope you're right, man. German is hard though. But I'm starting to notice that I don't suck as much anymore.

>>224270520
You can become fluent in French/Spanish/Portuguese (all three) with the same effort and time it takes to become fluent in Japanese, unironically.

>>224270865
From the perspective of a European/Indo-European/English language speaker/native.

>>224181497

language tier lists >>224270930

Chinese dialect strength ranking

Mandarin
>POWER GAP
Yue
Min
>POWER GAP
Wu
Hakka
>POWER GAP
Gan
Xiang
Hui
Jin
Ping

>>224268538
>>224268847
Doesn't seem to contradict anything I said. Most the profiles detail extraordinary circumstances like being the child of diplomats, or learning several languages due to being exposed from birth. There's a Korean woman that was sent to Canada on her own for a year of English immersion at 10 years old (where she also encountered and began learning French), an ambassador that was exposed to 4 languages before 5 years old, the son of two diplomats (that spoke 5 and 7 languages respectively) who lived in 10 different countries. An Vietnamese immigrant that moved to Switzerland as a child and learned French, English, and German from elementary school, while speaking Vietnamese at home.

You'll notice the few that were not lucky enough to be exposed to several languages from birth only have a couple C1 certificates at best, if they list their levels at all (most outside the first page don't). And they're always related languages like the one guy that has C1 in Spanish, Portuguese, and Catalan, although I won't quibble too much over that. The point still holds that there are very few genuine self-taught polyglots that know more than 2-3 languages to a high level.

>>224272038
Most of the pictures on the second page seem ai generated too
And the entire organisation seems to just be centred around selling random ai shit

>>224270520
That's because you can't learn japanese or chinese.

>>224269527
Yeah yeah I get you. I’m having the same train of thought too, that after a certain point in the frequency list, acquisition in context becomes borderline seamless. I picked up a bunch of obscure terms reading Latin lately super easily, and it’s literally the first time i’ve seen them and probably the last for some time, but I got them like nothing because it’s embedded within an existing semantic framework.

Like I could compose right now
>triciti modium X milia polliceri coegit
With tritici and modium technically being 2 new words I got from one sentece, both being the first time I’ve seen them (basically a specific unit for measuring grain, and a specific term for flour) and probably the last for a long time, but it’s just in my brain now.
Whitepilling.

>>224272038
I know one guy who speaks 7 supposedly but yeah he’s had a very international life story

>>224269527
The point being that I’m glad to find there really does seem to be a threshold where vocabulary expands both rapidly and with ease. There’s a latin author named Comenius who basically invented education for kids, and he wrote a book called the Janua Linguarum Reserata (gate of tongues unlocked) which was the most widely translated book in Europe besides the bible since it was basically just a mini-encyclopedia that grouped terms together thematically, so in 1,000 entries it had something like 8,000 lemmata since there was minimal repetition of terms. While I’m really enjoying my mining workflow right now, I keep wanting to grind it.

>>224272038
>You'll notice the few that were not lucky enough to be exposed to several languages from birth only have a couple C1 certificates at best

Shifting the goal post, nice

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>>224273030
I started reading the golden pavillion the other day with a few word looks ups per page, and tonight I watched a Japanese documentary about the fukushima nuclear power incident without any major issues. It seems that I'm learning Japanese just fine.

>>224273030
I think he did learn Japanese bro

>>224273582
>>224273652
It's an illusion. Learning japanese is a forever hobby.

>>224268720
No shit. Commute learners are fundamentally unserious. You can maybe review material to pass the time, but you're not making real gains unless you sit down and focus properly.

>>224263311
The pro is that you are much more likely to encounter the vocab in inpoot and therefore speed up the process of acquisition, there is no con. Learning vocab grouped by theme isn't very useful for beginners. Maybe down the line, if you know you have a specific vocab gap for a specific domain, you can prime it i.e. names of kitchen utensils before watching cooking shows.

>>224256083
I've never had the need to take notes, but if I did, I imagine that doing it digitally is much more convenient and efficient, since you can easily pop the word into a dictionary or into Anki.

>>224259487
Cute and saved.

>>224273570
The point that adult polyglots typically learn several languages during childhood was the ORIGINAL point that you were replying to in the first place.

>>224273582
What is the romaji for
>沟口
>鹤川
>柏木

I only read the book in the Chinese translation so I just know them as goukou, hechuan, and bomu. Would be interesting to know what their actual names are

>>224274323
Goku, Yamcha and Bulma.

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>>224268973
From my perspective, it looked like I wouldn't be a hyperpolyglot anyways and I had to give up certain languages that are still cool and the dilemma was which ones to give up and which ones to tie my future to (or plan to tie, because I don't need anything other than Polish and basic English for now). I also thought that learning two languages or more would not be a problem, after all, you just need to repeat a few new words from one language and then another, watch content in one language and then in another
>>224273768
I mean, it's fine for revisions, you're right, but my modus operandi was to learn in the meantime to minimize wasting time. On the way to work, at work and on the way from work mostly. Now I've discovered that I was effective, sure, but in wasting time. There's also no point in studying at work, because I can't slack off so much. It's over for an unc.
I'm comforted only by the fact that I could have been a bigger fool and listened to podcasters or smoething

>>224274323
The magic of kanji is that you don't need to know the pronunciation

>>224268973
I don't really NEED to learn any language, but I want to
I want at least Latin, German and French, which I think is doable, but Ancient Greek and Italian would be very nice too, but if I had to choose, I would add Ancient Greek

>>224279280
Non tam praeclarum est, scire latine, quam turpe nescire. Nonne id verum est? Ergo, ad quaestionem utrum quidam homo scire latine debeat, dicendum quod omnes studere debeant.

>>224279280
Si et clare et recte et facile latine artem scribendi exercere voles; mihi quod te opera theologica legere debere videtur.

do you guys slog through your L2 media for the sake of learning or do you genuinely enjoy it

>>224280878
Both. Initially you have to go through whatever you can for the sake of learning, but later you become more selective and you pick what you genuinely enjoy.

>>224281048
Lame

i got more spells than an indian kid

>>224256957
I can read it, and I can sort of write it, but I don't remember how to form all the capital letters off the top of my head.

>>224273768
>Commute learners are fundamentally unserious. You can maybe review material to pass the time, but you're not making real gains unless you sit down and focus properly.

I don't think that's entirely true. The bulk of my Spanish "study" time is listening to podcasts while I'm doing something else, and I still feel like I'm making incremental process. Sure, I also watch videos at my desk or lying about at home, but it's fundamentally the same thing, I think.

>>224280878
Latin literature of all periods is often of excellent quality

>>224281595
You have to be a certain level to get any benefit from passively listening to podcasts, I don't think beginners should be spending the bulk of their time "learning" on their commute where their focus is going in and out and they gloss over shit they don't understand because pulling up a transcript and doing lookups while driving just isn't that convenient.

>>224268973
>you'll never need to know 5+ foreign languages at C1+
I actually need to giving my circumstances.

/lang/sis be like
>you can't input before reaching G-2 level of comprehension otherwise its going to ruin your progress in AGI, don't even mention the name frequentist learning, those are non-believer imbecils. I try not to speak in any language before 5 years of progress because otherwise the effect on my acquisition might be detrimental to my NL and TLs. I pray to our saint Arguelles(PBUH) everyday

>>224281595
i can't even listen to audiobooks in my native language while i'm doing something else
>>224281595
>>224281792
the study i posted earlier said that learning vocab aurally is inferior to learning through reading. for reading, you are allowed to stop and dwell or reread a sentence, but rewinding a recording is a pain in the ass

>>224270865
>>224270891
Once you know French, Spanish becomes easy, and once you know Spanish, Portuguese becomes trivial. I have experience learning some of these languages off of each other and know how easy it can be compared to Japanese.

Learning Japanese is more like learning French, German, and Russian combined. Maybe swap Russian for something slightly easier and not closely related to the other two, but it's in the ballpark either way.

>>224282266
This is an incredibly good shitpost because it so thoroughly manages to mix up who even believes what

The average reading level in my county is at a 3rd grade level

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who else up studying

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>>224283129
hello

I don't know how to read

i used to lie about my reading time after school lol

>>224283240
were you a badass desu ka? >:(

>>224273977
You seem to not know the difference between a polyglot and a multilingual person.

we went multilingual on your mom last night

Wir habben deine mutter multilingual gegangen letzter nacht

wir suchen dich