Glory to great UAE harbingers of accelerationism bane of minorities rulers of this realm
I shit and do not flush
KWAB
>>224291610I'd like to see you make fun of him to his face
>>224291758Fun of who exactly
>>224291820ISLAM
>>224291843He would reluctantly agree and say yes brazza gleury to emarate alhamdoulilah since otherwise they will cut their fundsAll of these caucasus prizefighters and even a lot of nafri ones have gulfie sponsors to push a macho martial muslim image and since prizefighting pays shit for what it is anyways
You know what, just let the fucking thread die
>>224291969I fully accept your concession
>>224291661This guy fought with sunnis against assad btw
>2004: support al qaeyda>get betrayed and raped>2014: support isis>get betrayed and raped>2019: evolve into humanity and reject sectarian politics>...>2026: third time the charm
>>224292336Who ?
crazy how the existence of BBC as a cultural staple buckbroke tummies so much they now have to force BWC memes that no one else in the world outside of this echo chamber knows or cares about
>>224292274Hijri in general fought against Assadist and Iranian influence, I am not even sure where does the assadist accusations against him and SDF come from?Especially when it comes from people who have zero issues with Sunni Assadists who raped Sunni women in the name of Bashar being forgiven
>>224293127Meanwhile your entire family was shlicking to this Bosnian Timmy in 2010
>>224293231neither you nor this turkroach are white
>>224293268>y-yeah my Nafri mommy wanted to rim his blonde ass hair but it doesn't count because he's not a timmy even though he's from europe browncel cope
>>224293231Crazy projection
>>224293345he's not a timmy, dude was born near the syrian border >b-but he's 1/4 bosnian o algodon't matter, they're barely timmies themselves
>>224293398>Born near syrian borderYou know that 50% of Turks are settlers from the Balkans and Greece right? It's like saying Russian Jews born near Lebanon are Arab
>>224293441Funny thing is that on twitter I have seen a lot of Balkan L*ftists being so mindbroken by Gaza that they started demanding a right to return for these turksMy advice for anyone reading this is to slaughter anyone caught teaching critical theory or intersectionality in your universities
>>224293441they're not arab they're just not white, neither russian jews nor greeks and balkanites, especially after mixing heavily with middle easterners and becoming non-christianwhite is very much a northwestern european christian label, it can be extended to other peripheral groups but always with a caveatnobody thinks of "white" people generically and associates that with fucking albanians, it's always the english or germans or other groups around therethere's no scientific definition for whiteness so you can't argue against my arbitrary definition, you're free to have your own but it'd be very 21st centruy snd not what people thought of when the idea was formulated
>>224293826>Russian Jews aren't whiteSo why the fuck do leftists call Israelis white when most aren't even Ashkenazim
I want to join some sort of esoteric Islamic group (I haven't decided between Sunni Sufi groups or Shia like Ismailis or Alevis) but all the ones around me are mostly filled with Indians and I don't get along with them very well.
>>224294294Have you not caught the hint yet
>>224294178leftists have very liberal ideas about whiteness, if there's a light skinned group on one the dominant of a power dynamic it's le whiiiiiite people oppressing people of colorreminds me when they where shitting on argentina for white racism against their neighbours when argentines are like half a shade lighter than the next sudaca or when they call north africans white invaders of africa who keep de black man down, although that's more of an afro-centrist view
>>224294374Everything is flooded with Indians where I live but the esoteric groups put a bigger emphasis on community. I just can't get myself to actually join these groups only to be surrounded by Indians though.
>>224294294why would there be indians in these random minority muslim groupsor are they muslim Indians?
>>224294579Muslim Indians and a lot of pandering. I think conversion tactics in India mostly involved using Hindu traditions or something.
>>224294445>when they call north africans white invaders of africa who keep de black man down, although that's more of an afro-centrist viewWhich is why arabs are dumb for allying with these guys, they will turn against you and turn you into "literal nazis" the moment you go against their wishesAt least Russians are smart enough to play both sides of the coin and China is isolated enough from western attention for this autism to backfire
>>224294464Maybe these groups fucking suck and there isnt much spirituality to them besides "i have a personal vendetta x so i wont take his word and will take y his rivals word" as a basis for theology which is what draws in all those south asiansThe non-meme esoteric islamoc groups dont put emphasis on group or closed their recruitment board centuries ago
>>224294695Without any irony, you guys should learn from the hard lessons Jews had to learn since 2023 about trusting these Subhumans
>>224294579Indias muslim population is not far behind pakistans entire bulk population in sheer numbers
>>224294697The non esoteric groups suck ass though. Muslims broadly speaking are pretty chill especially in places like Michigan (also are Arab and not African/Indian) but they are mostly Shia and pretty secular. I like the hippie Islam but the "orthodox" Islam is mostly just cutting your dick off and worshipping Jews so I'd rather deal with Indians at that point.
انا مسلم سابق في المساجد عندما تحدث كوارث طبيعية في اي بلد غير مسلم كنا نحتفل المسلمين يكونون سعداء جدا عندما يموت شخص غير مسلم الاسلام ليس دين هو مشروع سياسي نازي يصنف البشر مسلم و كافر والكافر في الاسلام اقل حتى من الحيوان
>>224294739I'm an American I don't know the difference between Indian and Pakistan ethnically speaking. I'm pretty sure they're 90% the same and that most Indians migrated to Pakistan.
>>224294823This is public knowledge Nigga
>>224294832Actually not really, the Urdu speaking Indian Pakistanis are a minority in Pakistan
>>224294807There's more esotericism in vanilla sunnism and shiism inter-branch shitflinging than the meme sects you're seeking because they sound cool for celebrating christmas or whateverSuffism sects that stray away from mainline islam are cargo cults pretty much
>>224293566>intersectionalityيا ويل العرب من بلاء قد اقترب
>>224294964>Vanilla Sunnism Funny thing is that Salafists call us Asharis as an insult
>>224295015Amina needs my 15,5cm slightly angled upwards thick towards the base and head with 0,1cm thickness loss near the middle longitudinally thicker than transversally loosely circumcised penis in her darkened brown vagina, that shit she's reading is not doing her any good mentally
>>224294916Well they speak Urdu and I can recognize that very clearly. They are Indian in my book.>>224294964Mainstream Sunni Islam is either liberal hippie Islam (Hanafis in places like Pakistan or Turkey) or Salafi slop that wishes they were a part of ISIS. You have mainstream Shia Islam which is essentially just declaring the state of Iran infallible and values Marxism more than actual theology. I want to like religion and I am vaguely monotheistic but all of the choices lead to either India or being a circumcised goy.
>>224291610isn't it haram to pray on anything that has symbols that might distract him
>>224294695The whole idea of a single "Africa" as a parallel to Europe is so fucking forced and annoying, and is unironically a great display of black people's IQ. Europe is an exception among continent because it's a largely artificial concept formed around the notion of a shared heritage, it's the only continent whose boundaries are primarily based around culture and history instead of geography. So when people there identify as "European," it largely makes sense because that's the point. Africa is more like Asia, a huge landmass with various groups that have little in common. There's no "Asian" identity that unites a Syrian with a Vietnamese. Blacks want to see Africa as this singular entity where everyone is "African" wearing animal hide and holding a spear and dancing to the idea of common African heritage. Like me as an Algerian I should feel connected to some Zulu nigga I have nothing in common with because we're part of the same arbitrary landmass. Blacks get very butthurt when North Africans rationally don't think of ourselves as "African." Of course we recognize that we're part of Africa the landmass, and in that narrow sense of the word we're African; but we have nothing to do with the "African" identity which is largely built around sub-Saharan culture and race, and even that one is fake as shit as there's little in common between Ethiopians and Khoisan anyway. Blacks really hate it when they encounter North Africans and we don't pay lip service to the "we wuz all African brothers n' shiet ideal," and start discriminating against them instead, they then endlessly seething about us being invaders and traitors to the cause (look up "North Africans" in r/Africa to see the seethe).Nobody calls out a Saudi for mistreating a Nepali worker as being a traitor to "Asian brotherhood," because Asians don't see themselves as a single group of people. Africans are just really dumb.
>>224295272>Mainstream ShiaIraq rejects Wilayat al Faqih, so do Bahrainis, and Zaydis are so different than Twelvers that they get called Psuedo Sunni as an insult
>>224295341>Blacks get very butthurt when North Africans rationally don't think of ourselves as "African."It's usually the opposite thoughActually 50/50 but the ones that get say nafris are invaders are a loud minority, the ones that get mad when a nafri says he's not african are usually (ex)immigrants in nafri countries who do it because it's convenient
>>224295341Technically most Sub Saharan Yams eating Mande-Bantus have a lot in common, even if it's very superficial and only really western afrocentrism tried to force a "Ubuntu" centralised vision of these cultures that ignored reality But even within them, Kenyans legit prefer being around Somalis over Congo niggas for a reason
>>224295341I also blame our own governments for going along with this idea and promoting pan-Africanism on an institutional level. I think it largely was born out of colonialism which did actually treat Africa as a singular entity (Scramble for Africa). African countries were colonized and decolonized around the same time, and a certain solidarity was born out of the decolonization struggle, but that shouldn't be enough to associate with random n'gubus on a deep level and make them unironically think we are all the same thing. The idea of pan-Africanism is dangerous because North Africans are too different from the rest and it makes it seem like we're wrong for not seeing ourselves as the same thing as an artificial idea of "Africaness" created by black people (even though historically the name of the continent was used for its northern bit anyway). It makes Blacks think they can unironically claim our lands because it's all "Africa" for "African" people.
Just learned that iraqis (babylonians then) invented the first museum, more than 2500 years ago. These niggas are crazy
>>224295411Yes but it's really just a semantic argument coupled with a lack of critical thinking. We're "African" in a meaningless geographic sense. When people say we're not "African" it comes from the practical notion of race and identity, and then some smart ass who's never thought of this beyond the dictionary definition comes with the inevitable "uhm actually we're African too, open a map" rebuttal. Yeah not shit Sherlock, that's not what the conversation about or what people typically think of when they think of "Africa."
>>224295599>iraqi>babylonianfuck off mama mia
>>224295363>>224295599Iraqis are probably the most accessible. I wish I could believe the stuff in Twelver Shia because I do like Iraqis but they also take that stuff really seriously and literally.
>>224295524You're right, they do have a lot in common culturally (compared to us vs them) but also appearance-wise, and it's why the pan-African argument tends to work, there's a huge chunk of the continent that's similar (85% of the population), and a northern bit that's very different (15%), and so by sheer numbers alone the majority gets to strong-arm the continent into a singular definition and either neglects us or treats us like we're wrong for not conforming to that definition.The same can't happen in Asia because each distinct group is too big to be ignored or lumped together, you can't feasibly connect East Asia to South Asia to West Asia, no single region is dominant enough to enforce its ideals as the definition of "Asian-ness."
>>224295809>, and so by sheer numbers alone the majority gets to strong-arm the continent into a singular definition and either neglects us or treats us like we're wrong for not conforming to that definition.This is why some of Pan Africanism biggest opponents are East Africans who feel the tensions brewing between them and Bantus For them, the idea of Bantus just invading them for being "too Arabic" or whatever isn't some fiction but rather something that could actually happen
>>224295341Europe has many unique geographic features though>El niño warm currents>paeninsula isolated from North Africa by the sea and from Asia by the urals>huge coastal area/surface with good natural ports>one of the 5 naturally fertile macro-regions in the whole world
>>224296157>paeninsula isolated from North Africa by the sea and from Asia by the uralsBro....you realise that Aryans and even Bell Beaker Proto Basques are from Asia?
>>224296157You can do the same for the Indian subcontinent being a peninsula isolated by the Himalayas and being a fertile macro-region, large coastal area, sharing common culture and culture, etc. It's really a very arbitrary definition and not especially unique on a purely geographic level.
i never see turkish flags in this general. why is this?
>>224296566Turks hate arabs It's not a meme, even conservative muslims there only like Arabs as long as they don't see then
>>224296566they have their own general/mena/ is really just /arab world/like how /med/ is really just /southern europe/and /nafri/ is really just /maghreb/words don't mean what they mean
>>224296583>>224296632i strongly believe mena would be a paradise if the people practiced atheism. that would solve most of the problems in the region
>>224296742Secularism and just general self awareness is better than raw atheism. I don't hate Arabs for believing in religion I have a problem when they use Jewish law to bypass common sense.
>>224296742mena without islam would just be armenia or albania or some shit, better and more stable but still a shithole
>>224296742I don't think you people understand how much of the issues here predate Abraham himself If anything, a lot of Islam's issues is The Abbasids forcing Middle Eastern conservatism into the Theology
>Syria
>>224297678Rwafa dzeb try to be slick and subtle for 0,01 seconds (total existence time of their meme republic) challenge impossible
>>224297893الريف ديالنا كان بحال صويصرا آ العياش المخازني إيخو دي بوتا
>>224297200albania had an atheist dictator no? he burnt churches synagogues and mosques if i remember correctly. has nothing to do with what you said but it's pretty fun
>>224298583no it has everything to do with it because that's what I was imaginingalbanians are nominally muslim with some christians, but everyone is largely atheistic, it didn't make them not be a shitholesure retarded commie system and all that, but that only shows that so many factors go into development besides religion, and MENA has plenty of problems that wouldn't be solved with just religion gone
>>224298391هقهقهقه فكرتيني فديك لوووبنان صويصرا العرب
>>224298757لِبنين سويسرا الشرء (نِحن مو عرب ولااااك) وبيروت باريس الشرء واللِبنينية سويد الشرء
>>224296501Yeah? That's why India is considered a subcontinent. Africa too can be divided in geographical regions
>>224297200>alt history
>>224299277>do not imagine existing parallels, even if flawed, to imagine the answer to a hypothetical question that can't be answered without hypotheticalsyou're so smart and interesting indeed
Amen
>>224295599We are arabs saar
>>224299331Your hypotheticals are disingenuous and shallow
>>224302256>criticize>refuse to point out why>offer nothing better I can't take you seriously when you don't even have the courage to put your ideas out there
>>224302256>>224302327n
>Want to learn about North-African corsairs>Realize literally none of them were nafris95% of these niggas were either Ottomans (Albanians and Greeks mostly) or Italian, Dutch, and English converts to IslamThere are literally more famous Egyptian corsairs than nafris, you niggas suck at being pirates.
>>224302509what famous egyptian corsairs?
Maroci sisters what's this?
What a coincidence!
>>224302583Ankinan, famous moroccan name
>>224302560https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salah_RaisCrazy how Nafris talk about this stuff with any sort of pride. Their ancestors were herding goats in the mountains while this was happening kek.
داروها بيكم فالثريد اللي قبل منو و غايديروها بيكم عاوتاني داباالمؤمن لا يلسع من جحر الأفعى مرتين نتوما لا كتخشيو زبكم فجحر الأفعى المرة الثالتة
>>224302583Tuaregs are just berbers who fucked black women, much like Sudanese people are arabs who fucked Nubian women and Ethiopians are Qahtanites who fucked african women
البربر يجيدون البربرة فقط
>>224302755that's a turk though, not egyptian egypt had no corsairing to speak ofin fact the majority of it happened in algiers alone, the other barbary states didn't add up to halfand no, there were nafri corsair admiralshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%AFs_Hamidouhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%AFs_Hadj_Embarekhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%AFs_Larbito name a few
>>224302799أحلُسِعت
>>224302931Nafris were the rare exception, and they were mostly after the peak of piracy when the babary corsairs were the weakest. There were Egyptian captains too.Also look at this list of corsair captain in 1625:Mustaffa Rais, Admiral of Algiers, a native-born Turk.Serra Mustaffa Rais, a native-born Turk.Muriate Francese Rais, a renegado from Rouen, one of the most famous and courageous captains.Mamet Tagarino Rais, a Granadian who was driven from Granada in the year 1613.Tabacca Rais, a Turk.Calefata Assan Rais, who is thought to be Polish, a renegado.Assain Rais, called Meinart Dircxen Veenboer the younger, son of an old perch fisherman in the town of Haarlem.Mamet Anglese, a renegado.Mamy Anglese, a renegado.Dalli Hamet Rais, otherwise known as Hamet the Crazy, a Turk.Mussa Ladino Rais, a native-born Turk.Corto Rais Greco, a renegado.Mamy Rais from Denmark, a renegado.Cara Baili Rais, also known as Jobarten Baili Turck.Jaffer Montes Collole, who is also called after his father, Mustaffa Rais, son of a renegado. Welli Rais, a native-born Turk.Dant Aremou Turck, who was with Deuris Rais in Vlissingen in the year 1623.Ali Rais, a Greek from Smyrna, who visited me in The Hague in the year 1623, a storm having blown his ship from Salé to Vlissingen.Murate Flamenco, from Antwerp, a renegado.Scheele Murat, from Hamburg, a renegado. Because he is squint faced [cross‑eyed], he is called this by both the Turks and the Dutch.Saffer Rais, alias Thomas the Swindler, believed to be a Frisian from Harlingen.Seliman Rais, otherwise known as Captain Guascon, a French renegado, a valorous young man, decent and courteous.Mustaffa Rais Walon, a renegado.Assain Bassa, a Turk.Assam Rais, alias Jan Marinus van Sommelsdijck.Mamet Hoggi Rais Tagarino.Cara Mamy, that is Black Mamy, an upright Turk, honest, devout, and valiant, a wealthy man.Regeb Rais Hagenaer, a renegado, from The Hague.Behir Rais, a native-born Turk.
>>224302799If I've triggered you know i didn't mean it. I don't really understand what the azawad thing is about and i don't know how deep their ties to al3erya go/whether this is a proxy conflict i just saw Moroccans seething about it and decided to post it here
>>224303321List continued:Cara Hoggy, a native-born Turk, a wealthy and pious man.Seliman Rais, a French renegado.Assain Francese Rais, a renegado.Saaban Rais, a French renegado.Hamza Rais, a native-born TurkCortzuck Hamza Rais, a Turk.Cortzu Mamet Rais, a Turk.Mustaffa Saccoli i. Chroto.Mamet Rais Gallego, a renegado.Cotzuck Mamet, a Turk.Cotzuck Mustaffa, a Turk.Montalva Tagarino Rais.Mamet, a Portuguese renegado.Babba Ali, a Portuguese renegado.Paisasle Rais, a native-born Turk.Ali Rais, alias Culo Bronzo Tagarino, Halil Rais Turco Sine Chalil.Cara Apta Rais, a native-born Turk.Regeb Bassa Rais, a Turk.Alder Aman, a native-born Turk, currently banished.Ramedan Rais, an Englishman, commonly called Winter.Mamet Moro Rais, a Moor.Brem Rais Tagarino.Haggi Mamy Rais, from Ackersloot, born Pieter Janssen. His father, named Jan Janssen, became the Trugeman [the official Interpreter in Algiers] for the Netherlands on 25 January, 1626.Seliman Buffoen, a renegado from Rotterdam. He kept an inn at [the village of] Schoonderloo, outside Rotterdam, commonly known as Jacob den HoerenwaertColole, from Algiers, son of a renegado, a Sicilian.Only one nafri in that whole list KEK>>224302931>and no, there were nafri corsair admirals>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%AFs_Hamidou>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%AFs_Hadj_Embarek>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%AFs_Larbi>to name a fewNope thats literally all of them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Algerian_sailors
>>224303325I'm not talking about you and azawad is such an irrelevant non conflict anyways they're gonna get raped by qaedaniggers soon
>>224303406>16th and early 17th century it changed in the lqte 17th to 18th century, european renegade stopped bring prominent, lots of natives became captains and admiralsyou can ask chatgpt for a list from that time like you did for the one you just pastedwhat I pasted isn't all of them
>>224304268>it changed in the lqte 17th to 18th centurySo after their peak and when the barbary corsairs became the weakest they'd been?
Wasn't Algeria ruled by ethnic turks at the time?
>>224304953Yep, they were ruled by the ottomans and even all the autonomous local rulers were either Turks or European renegades lol
>>224304548it coincided with that, but that had more to do with european naval technology getting too good (all muslim naval power declined relative to it at the time) and less to do with the changing political dynamic within algiers itself, which became increasingly indigenized and less linked to turkey, as did all ottoman north africa at the time
Bouregreg republic mogs ottoman corsairs
There's an entire part of morocco history from marinid/wattasie fall to french protectorate that we dont learn because they would need to admit that alawites only controlled fes marrakech meknes etc basically the centers and some tribes in the sahara and gharbNo mention of bouregreg or zawya dilaiya or ahmad al khadir, or the intra-alawite power vacuums and infightingJust pretend modern morocco always existed since wattassids and that's it
Do MENA girls like white boys?
>>224306475they don't teach alawite history?seems weird since it's the current rulers how do they legitimize them?
>>224306493yes
>>224306493Only chill converts with beards with swag who are not below 5'10 who can impress their family who tell them fatima you dont have to wear that then they go no habibi I must wear it but its like a statement im not an oppressive ape then they get all flustered and shit then you ask her to split the bill and she cries into her pillow
>>224306692They literally just skip that entire partHere's the qrd from what i remember (maybe something has changed, maybe some other anon is older than me and will find it erroneous. This is 2011-2019 for reference, this also only relates to MENA loosely but im gonna focus on morocco obviously)>Prehistory we wuz cavemen and shiet>Nafri pre-bronze age>Phoenicians>Mauretania numidia and romans, loose mention of carthage>Timeskip to islam and ummayads>Idrissids, very brief mention of berghwata nekor sijilmassa (basically saying they existed and that's it)>Timeskip to Almoravids>Timeskip to almohads>Timeskip to saadis>Long segments about architecture>Something alcacer kebir>Timeskip straight to 1912Basically they just tell us how some of them were founded very loosely for the lucky ones and the rest are mentioned in one or two sentences
>>224307265if I were the alawites I'd just manufacture some history about my dynasty being the best ever and how it saved and built moroccoI assume some of that is done in the conical period, how M5 made you independent o algo
>>224292440ir*qi s*nnies
>>224307377Moroccans have very short collective memory, you would need to demonize another entity for that to work and that entity is already france. Almohad almoravid rivalry was extremely brutal yet even well-read people who are opinionated on either dynasty's religious or political beliefs will still take a middle stance, let alone the average normie who just sees muh andaluz and koutoubia or whatever
>>224307526I suppose they don't mention the fact that the sultan literally asked the french for help to keep his throne against the rebelling tribes, conflicts with the france being an enemy part
>>224307644No they just go straight to rif war, the assasination attempt on the decoy sultan, exile and then independenceThey also only mention southern atlas tribes resistance because makhzen wasnt involved there which made it a meme that only them and riffians had opposition, when in reality the atlantic tribes were the first to be hit from all side by french navy and by makhzenThey skip everything in between again to green march and that's where the chapter ends
>>224307922the colonial period takes up a big part of history education here, I think to the point where you get desesitized to it and take it for granted, which is a shame because taking some distance and examining algeria's independence war from an outside angle, it objectively is an impressive period with like the best possible outcome in the end
