Christians will claim that their god is love, but the moment their children are born they rush to baptise them just in case the childen die and the god of "love" locks them out of heaven forever.
>>224453039my x father in law used to joke that he was baptised two times. it was common actually where the priest or access to a church was maybe once a year. he was home babtised by his grandfather then babtised again at the church a year later.
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>>224453039SHUT THE FUCK UP
>>224453039they baptise them after birth so their sins will be forgiven later in life, not because they fear the baby will die. if a unbaptised baby dies, it's up to god's mercy, and since he is the "god of love" as you proclaim, the baby will enter heaven
>>224455394So why don't Christian parents wait until their children are old enough to decide whether or not to get baptised ?
>>224455664it's called confirmation, muhammed
>>224455915Why can't confirmation and baptism happen at the same time when the child is old enough to choose them.>MuhammadI'm not a Muslim
>>224453039Tradition is tradition. Even white people is allowed to keep doing stupid shits for no good reason except because their ancestors did that.
>>224455664>So why don't Christian parents wait until their children are old enough to decide whether or not to get baptised Anabaptism
>>224456123wanting children to consent to their baptism was enough for Christians to torture and murder you
>>224456217Now go ahead read about other cultures and religions around that time, Sanjeet. The world isn't a perfect place.
what the hell am I supposed to seek salvation from? abrahamic religions are crazy
>>224455946well you need to be baptised to even be confirmated. i don't subscribe to your idea of infants as being these blank canvases that are not to be shaped and influenced by others until they gain consciousness or of voting age or whatever measure you hold up. your own parents who brought you into this world, fed and nurtured you, are right to install their culture, language, religion, beliefs, morals etc. into their child, not for their own interests but what they believe is in the child's best interests. also atheism is not the default state of mind, so telling a kid there is no god or greater meaning in life is the exact same as telling them there is.
>>224455664At least we keep our foreskins.
>>224456283>what the hell am I supposed to seek salvation from?Adam and Eve being tricked into eating from the tree that Jesus put near them for some reason, tricked by the talking snake that Jesus for some reason didn't kick out of Eden before it tricked them, so you should be grateful that Jesus will be born to a virgin and get crucified to erase the "sin" that was created when Jesus, in his omniscience and omnipotence, failed to stop Adam and Eve from eating from that tree.
>>224453039It's all so tiresome that the only criticism you can see of christianity is that it isn't slave religion enough. Yeah its retarded, all religions are. Yet what, you're just gonna kill slave morality with the tools of a even stronger slave morality?>>224456283Salvation from having to engage with the reality of the world
>>224456316>well you need to be baptised to even be confirmatedThose can happen on the same day if the child chooses to actually be baptised and confirmed>are right to install their culture, language, religion, beliefs, morals etc. into their child,That's indoctrination. A child is naive enough to believe that the moon is made of cheese, and religious parents exploit that naivety by indoctrinating their children into their cult.>not for their own interests but what they believe is in the child's best interests.And what they "believe is in the child's best interest" is what the clergyman told them, or their own parents when they indoctrinated them.>>224456331Christians believe that their "loving god" once endorses the evil genital mutilation of people in the old testament.
>>224456547>Those can happen on the same day if the child chooses to actually be baptised and confirmedthat's like starting an uni course then do your dissertation the same day.>That's indoctrination. A child is naive enough to believe that the moon is made of cheese, and religious parents exploit that naivety by indoctrinating their children into their cult.passing down beliefs, morals, viewpoints is not indoctrination lol. what kind of reddit-tier nonsense is this>And what they "believe is in the child's best interest" is what the clergyman told them, or their own parents when they indoctrinated them.you as a non believer should have a good understanding of religion as a social construct with a purpose related to individual behaviour in social groups perfected through millenniums. unfortunately you approach religion with a ignorant point of view and interpret the bible literally, exactly as those fundamentalists you seem to despise. and it's very clearly you are not curious about christianity but just here to argue in bad faith for whatever reason so here's your late (you). enjoy your friday evening
>>224455946you're still brown and should got back to wherever you crawled from.
>>224455664It's a point of contention between something like orthodox or catholic church vs baptists who insist on adult baptism as it was described in the scripture - an act you deliberately go through when you're ready, a submersion in water that means you were born again. While children cannot decide for themselves at that age, or accept Christ obviously, it is still meaningful as an act decided by the parents. Here's a clip of Sam Shamoun explaining this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFNoebSnm2Qbtw are you the same semi-spiritual brit who whines about Christianity on /int/ daily?
>>224457981What I got from that video is that baptism instills some kind of blessing. But parents who are not Christians, and so don't baptise their children, don't bestow on them the blessing of baptism. So why doesn't god give that blessing on all Humans by default?
>>224458408That is essentially the same question as "why does God not save everyone by default" which is the same as "why didn't God make the world in such a way that salvation is unnecessary" which is the same as "why didn't he just instantly heal everyone on earth at once" which is the same as "why does God allow suffering at all" which is the same as "why does God allow the existence of evil".The answer is that we don't know exactly, or at least the answer that Jesus gave to that question was very cryptic - so that the acts of God could be evident.My favorite thought experiment about this is that the heat death of the universe is a scenario of the existence of the universe that satisfies the criterium of evil and suffering not existing, but it's completely pointless. Even in our lives we know that joy becomes meaningless at some point without the struggle and the negative that it contrasts to.
>>224459358>Even in our lives we know that joy becomes meaningless at some point without the struggle and the negative that it contrasts to.Will there be struggle and suffering in heaven?
>>224459444probably not, but we don't know what that is. The term that Jesus always uses is the Kingdom of Heaven which is like a project we are building even as we are in this material world, so it might not be completely metaphysical.
>>224453039KWAB
