There's levels to this.
>>224478824Is the Vietnam war when failing to meet objective = defeated? Europeans fought in stalemates all the fucking time. It's normal for a war to end in a stalemate. Therefore the stronger side is said to have lost? Get a grip, paco
>>224478824None of these are true except Afghanistan and Vietnam.>>224479043>failing to meet objective = defeatedYes, especially for the aggressor.
>>224479043>Is the Vietnam war when failing to meet objective = defeated?Yes. South Vietnam, the side you were supporting and fighting with, lost.
When did Taiwan defeat the US?
>>2244788241812 is not a british victory. They draw
>>224478824buddy they literally stole cuba and the philippines from you lol
When the fuck did Turkey beat America?
>>224478824>militarily Most of those were political victories. Iraq which militarily defeated the occupation yet ultimately lost politically is not included. What a retarded list
Isn't Spain the entire map
Retard nigger made a retarded thread
>>224479119>Afghanistan>MilitarilyWe left after a military victory because we didn't want to prop up a failed state anymore
>>224479501>WEAll of those bombings and wunderwaffen failed to beat AK–47s and RPGs hidden in mountains.k/d ratio is not a metric for determining military success, otherwise Nazi Germany would've been victorious over Soviet Union.
>>224479043How was it a stalemate lmfao South Vietnam was completely gobbled up by the North>>224479501You left after you failed for years to put down an insurgency which took all the country right after thatThese threads always bring out the best from american posters
>>224479593>k/d ratioThe k/d in Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam is 1:1 if you include the hundreds of thousands of local golem the US trained and armed to use as human shields. Reddit really brainwashed people into excluding half the combatants on the US side so burgers can feel better about themselves
>>224479784*I concede this doesn't fully apply to Vietnam that operated as a conventional army for extended period of the war
>>224478824>Syria>Russia>China >>>>>MoroccoLmfao. Assad is gone, we pushed the Chinese back in the Korean War who originally backed North Korea when they still had 90% of the peninsula, and we have never been to war against Russia. We sent a few troops to Vladivostok during the Civil War which we stalemated and lost like 400 troops out of 10,000, had dogfights with Soviets in Vietnam which we mostly won, then we kicked the shit out of Wagner during the Battle of Kashem in the Syrian Civil War Also Morocco has been our ally since the Barbary Wars we never actually fought each other we blockade them then signed a treaty because they wanted us to fuck up their rivals
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>>224479196No other country has burned down the White House you silly cock sucking, American boot sniffing historically illiterate rangeban-worthy dunce
>>224479698>South Vietnam was completely gobbled up by the NorthThe South Vietnamese had their own military my dude, at no point during our operations were we actually getting pushed by North Vietnam. Closest to that was Khe Sahn which was more of a stalemate that we took pretty heavy casualties on Also the North Vietnamese were not just dumbass peasants with old rifles they had tanks and jets and were very organized, I really wish people gave them their flowers more as warriors despite the torture programs and terrorism or whatever.
The real non troll answer, is we were only defeated in a classical sense by the following:>Britain in 1812>VietnamAnnhilating another country, deposing their standing government, then occupying their country is a military victory. Sustained insurgency or partisan activity doesn't qualify as the bona fide continuation of war or else most wars in history would never be "settled" because people rarely accept the loss entirely.
Tactical butthrut of Unitedstandians incoming.
>>224478824>Czechia and AnalbaniaWhat? Did they ever fight?
>>224480523I don't understand how NATO failed to eliminate the Taliban, America should have learned from Vietnam when they signed a peace treaty with the North, and 2 years later it invaded the South(and reunified Vietnam, which was a good thing). Yet Trump did the same thing with the Taliban and the latter took over Afghanistan in a couple of months. What the fuck was the point of the 20 year Afghan war if America just let the Taliban have control of Afghanistan now?
>>224480463>Burn down white house>draw the war>historically illiterate Canadians are prouder of 1812 than their performance in ww1 and ww2 for some reason. All you ended up doing was getting s bunch of indian nations fucked over by in the truce and kicking them out of hundreds of thousands of acres of land. You guys were way more impressive in ww1, youre the dudes who captured Passchendaele ffs
>>224480641The occupation wasn't profitable anymore. What the fuck did the Taliban did to the US to warrant an occupation in the first place?
>>224480641Our goal wasn't to exterminate the entirety of the Taliban. We settled for what we had and let them fuck around in the hills. I have relatives who were at some of the bases there, there was no desire to pursue them into their caves. The media pretended like the occasional roadside bomb meant the war was still going on for years, it was just babysitting idiots.
>>224480641>What the fuck was the point of the 20 year Afghan war if America just let the Taliban have control of Afghanistan now?Field testing weapons and giving the troops a base of real combat experience is the answer nobody really wants to hear but its true. The ANA were incompetent as hell and we knew the Taliban was far more effective , eventually we just used Afghanistan as a sandbox
>>224479343They stole your dictator. Why haven't you thank them for their service lmao.
>>224480509Nigger you talked of a stalemate, you entered the war with the objective of preventing the fall of south vietnam and the expansion of communism, the war ended with South Vietnam falling to the communist north, it's not a stalemate by any stretch of the word>But muh individual battlesCope and irrelevant, see what the Iranian said, was Operation Barbarossa a stalemate because of all the victories the Germans had in 1941 and most of 1942?>>224480523>Annhilating another country, deposing their standing government, then occupying their country is a military victory. Sustained insurgency or partisan activity doesn't qualify as the bona fide continuation of war or else most wars in history would never be "settled" because people rarely accept the loss entirely.Even if we accept this cope argument you still got defeated in Afghanistan, you still lost the war against the insurgency
>>224480738What people don't understand is that when you're a massive country with an eye watering military budget you want to keep the sword sharp somewhere, and as it happens it tends to be the middle east because we have a greedy Jewish customer that also wants to direct us there
>>224480755Oops did I do that?
>>224479043Big clitty leak
>>224480764Rome was fighting insurgencies for the entirety of its existence in the various provinces. Did Rome never exist? The only "coper" is you, you faggots know full well we btfo Iraq and Afghanistan in a matter of weeks>but you didn't rig their collective genetics and biology to be like 100 IQ white people so it's still a dump!"ok"
>>224480736>there was no desire to pursue them into their cavesTranslation: we couldn't handle the bad press from the potential US casualties of active anti-insurgency so hid in bases all day
>>224480764>Nigger you talked of a stalemateI wasnt thr same anon, and no we lost the war via withdrawal but in terms of actual combat North Vietnam really struggled against us far more than the ARVN who they regularly mogged the fuck out of. >was Operation Barbarossa a stalemate because of all the victories the Germans had in 1941 and most of 1942?...No?
>>224479043It was a complete loss for usa
quite a lot of sad cope and goalpost moving itt
>>224478824"Militarily defeated" and it's everything from a random ship being ransomed to the US bombing Laos a couple of times with Laos not doing shit to retaliate. Insane levels of cope on display
I wonder why america lost most of its wars
>>224480808>Rome was fighting insurgencies for the entirety of its existence in the various provincesYeah, and they were able to put down most of them. And those they didn't put down were defeats. Teutoburg for example was a defeat>Did Rome never exist?Lmfao how does that follow
>>224480841We aren't bloodthirsty Muslims, total extermination isn't our goal. Ostensibly it was a "hot bed for al-Qaeda" and we neutralized that.
>>224480939Guess you never conquered Judea? Or Parthia. I could go on. Roman rule wasn't accepted by much of what we consider to still be theirs because insurgents/partisans aren't the standing government.I'm not even pretending like we've been in many wars with evenly matched opponents because we haven't thanks to MAD. We've never had any real trouble in the middle east, it's just a slum that will never not be violent.
>>224480992>hot bed for al-QaedaAnd then the CIA armed and funded Al Qaeda affiliated terrorists in Syria
>>224480992You had no qualms bombing hospitals and schools from kilometers away you late into the occupation but just couldn't afford to pursue on foot people who can fight back
>>224480769Pretty much yeah. Its the same reason the French always try have the Foreign Legion in the shit and give them that very specific job of hunting rando smugglers in French Guiana just so they have something to do when not fighting etc militias in northern africa. Russians did it too even before Ukraine popped off Its just done to have an active and ready base of soldiers, update strategies, and test new tech
>>224479043>still copingjust get over it dude, nobody thinks of that war nowadays
>>224481091There is no one in Iraq that can "fight back", this was already proven
>>224480755>>224480776
>>224481153>loses the argument >shifts to another conflict Bro is roleplaying as the US by losing even the argument :skull:
>>224481035>Judea?But that's famously one of the insurgencies that was crushed the hardest? why even bring that up here?>we consider to still be theirs We consider them to still be theirs when they were able to put down rebellions and maintain control of said regions. We don't consider things to be theirs anymore after they got kicked out of them. We don't consider Germany part of the roman empire after Teutoburg>insurgents/partisans aren't the standing government.Irrelevant, if they're strong enough a war is needed to put them down, and a war against an insurgency is what you LOST
>>224480841>we couldn't handle the bad press from the potential US casualties of active anti-insurgency so hid in bases all dayNo we patrolled and did activelt fight the Taliban. They werent just hiding in caves and doing nothing idk what the other guy is talking about. They were an organized military that sieged cities and took over provincial towns and villages and they did use an advanced insurgency using cave systems and etc secret paths and hideouts but that their only strategy was not just guerilla warfare. They fought the ANA in larger battles and skirmishes to take over ANA outposts and towns
>>224481212Absolute cinema
>>224481091>couldn't afford to pursue on foot people who can fight backCorrect, we used the airforce and armored cars with machine guns to chase them. Why would we jog at the Taliban lmao, we are way too fat for that
>>224478824"Military defeat" includes individual battles, so arguably Germany but definitely Japan should be included and even the inclusion of skirmishes like Somalia can be defended.If what they actually meant was "having won a war against the US", then this map is pure larp.
>>224479043lol
>>224481088Al Nusra dindu nuffin, they was good boys just tryna get they lives together you racist But also you do know that you guys also helped arm and give intel for jihadist militias in Syria right? Operation Timber Sycamore was not just us lol
>>224480463>We burned a city, therefore we wonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_York
>>224478824This map is some pure cope. I don't know what all these are referring to but I can see many where it was a military victory for US but a diplomatic or political loss. The map uses the term militarily defeated and then includes shit like Afghanistan where the Taliban fled to the mountains the moment Americans set foot there and they didn't come back until the Americans left again.
>>224479043Your puppet state got fucking annexed, retard
>>224481790>Taliban fled to the mountains the moment Americans set foot there and they didn't come back until the Americans leftYes it's quite similar to how americans reacted to the British invasion of 1812
>it doesn't count as a military victory because some of us still existed!!!reminds me of the AoE 2 AI logic where they'd send a villager to go hide in the corner of the map to deny you the wipeout even though their entire village is gone and vaporized
>>224482011There are a lot of countries on that map where your country completely lost control over the country or an ally state. That's a complete loss
>>224481903>South Vietnam was a puppet state No lol they didnt answer to us, we backed a coup against Diem in 63 because he started acting like a giga retard and started oppressing the Buddhists which pissed off pretty much everyone.
>>224479043>>224479119Vietnam was a defeat, but counting shit like Canada or North Korea as having "defeated" the US is incredibly retarded>>224479784>reddit is pro-americanActual retardReddit are the fags who would say shit like China defeated the US because an armistice was made in the Korean war.>>224480706Sheltering Osama.If the US had left after killing Osama they could have reasonably claimed victory
>>224482123No there aren't. There is no obligation to occupy it forever in order to "win" dumbass. We've only lost to Britain and Vietnam.
>>224478824Pfffthahahahaha
>>224482170You lost to the TalibanYou reached none of the goals your government set out for Iran. Iran defended succesfully = loss for usa
>>224482170There is an obligation to occupy it until the insurgency is put down in order to win against said insurgency
>>224481963That's why Afghanistan is Taliban soil right now
>>224482195>You reached none of the goals your government set out for IranDude, the conflict is still ongoing right now and our objectives in Iran was to kill the ayattolah and part of our greater strategy to drive a wedge within OPEC by supporting the GCC countries and we recently got the UAE to break their OPEC oil shipping cap and now Saudi Arabia is building a new pipeline as an alternative to the Straight of Hormuz. Its like people still dont "get" that we are an empire lmao
>>224482195>>224482381>>224482426No, there is no obligation to occupy it for any arbitrary period of time. Funny, none of you have any of your former colonial possessions anymore, do you? That's a whole lot of losses! Better luck occupying those for perpetuity next time.
>>224478824When did we fight Morocco?Literally our oldest ally
>>224482496>there is no obligation to occupy it for any arbitrary period of timeThere is nothing arbitrary about it lmfao if you want to claim victory against an enemy you have to stay there until the enemy is defeated. Hard to grasp, i know
>>224482381I think 20 years if trying to get the ANA to not be shit was plenty of time imo. Instead they built up nothing and collapsed
>>224482547They were defeated. Their leadership was all captured/executed/jailed and we sat in their government buildings and built bases all over the country using it as our personal fueling ground. Get fucked dummy
>>224482496That's a good comparison.America lost in Vietnam just how the UK and France lost in Africa.
The state of Kentucky could defeat Italy 1v1 right this very second
>>224482585>They were defeatedThen who's ruling afghanistan now?>>224482562Yeah, plenty of time to not win a war
>>224479043Calm down there, Jose.No matter if your oligarchs win or lose any war you'll get served a turd sandwich with crippling PTSD and higher gas prices. Props to the vietnamese for not giving up on their country that actually belongs to their own people and not gobbled up by private equity like Epsteinmerica is.
>>224479043>failing to meet objective = defeatedYes that's literally what "defeat" means
>>224482507Assad is gone, Yemen is still in a civil war, and you guys basically have done nothing for the Iranians. Assad was never anti Iran either and Saudi Arabia and entire GCC hates the Iranians more than ever. Iran is literally bombing them lmao who made this map. Modern taliban controlled Afghanistan have border clashes with the Iranians too. The Turks also just signed a defense pact with Saudi Arabia as well. The Iranian sphere of influence has never been weaker, even Hezbollah is weaker than its ever been and the Houthis do fuck all anymore
>>224482656The goal was not to "rule Afghanistan" for all time, it's a useless place. Are terrorist attacks being executed against the United States out of Afghanistan anymore? That was the war goal, neutralization. Do you understand the concept of differing cassus belli?
>>224482685Sorry forgot the update that's on me senpai
>>224482656Ok? But we werent militarily defeated we just got sick of trying to keep the ANA intact and mostly just used Afghanistan to field test shit and get troops some combat experience
>>224480663We're not "prouder" than 1812 I just replied to that guy unless you expected a entire course on Canadian history for a goofy thread. The country is full of monuments to WW1 + sequel soldiers including Quebec that still celebrates its soldiers despite being anti-war since ever. Leo Major needs a proper park and statue but that's about it goodbye>>224481764Looting a couple buildings in Toronto before it was relevant sure got us kek
>>224478824now do spain
>>224482714Topkek, that typical Shia cope
>>224482707>for all timeMan you're clinging on hard to this strawman lmfao>Are terrorist attacks being executed against the United States out of Afghanistan anymore? That was the war goal, neutralization. Do you understand the concept of differing cassus belli?You could have a point there if you contained the war to a simple raid on Tora Bora against Al-Qaeda, but that's not what you didNo, you don't get to declare war on the Taliban state and then claim victory as you lose the whole country to the Taliban
>>224482742Napoleon wasn't "militarily defeated" at Borodino either, his campaign in Russia was still a defeat
>>224482874I don't remember ever declaring war on "The State of Taliban". We ended their regime.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Emirate_of_Afghanistan_(1996%E2%80%932001)what you are referring to is a new, latter implementation. This is how war and post-war work.
>>224482707>Are terrorist attacks being executed against the United States out of Afghanistan anymoreShould anyone tell him that all (((terrorist))) cells were created by the CIA?
>>224482664>Vietnam>not gobbled up private equity Oof, nobody tell him>muh oligarchs Every modern liberal democracy is oligarchic in terms of the actual hierarchy that holds power over the masses unless you fell for the "actually my government comes fully from the consent and intelligent decisions of the governed" propaganda they like to throw around.
>>224478824>england>spain>cuba>russia>laos/cambodia
>>224482902Napoleon was militarily defeated the fuck are you talking about? Waterloo? Really? That was a diplomatic withdrawal or something?
>>224482951>>224482874>>224482958And what's funny is we already know what "losing in Afghanistan" looks like. The soviets did it.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_WarThey failed their core objectives, withdrew in the middle of continued fighting, and ultimately went bankrupt and dissolved as a state due to it. That's what actually losing looks like. Not pummeling the fuck out of the ruling government, deposing them, then building bases all over the country and babysitting it for 20 years before getting bored and leaving.
>>224482958>all terrorists cells are created by the CIAThe CIA are not as all powerful as you think they are nor are they the only intelligence agency that props up jihadist miliatias and every terrorist group on Earth. The CIA created Hamas?
>>224478824Is it really losing when you bet against yourself?
>>224482951It's the same faction, who mounted an insurgency after you took most of the country and eventually won it all backYou talk as if years of peace and inactivity a new group of completely unrelated people formed and reused the name Taliban, which i'm sure is your cope headcanon, but is not what happened in reality>>224483010I'm specifically talking about the 1812 campaign in Russia as i clearly wrote, retard, can you read?
>>224483183Literacy is not a desirable trait in Americans
>>224483051The only difference between what Soviet and the American war in Afghanistan is that the Soviet puppet government managed to cling on to power for at least a couple of years after the withdrawal rather than collapsing right away, i don't know why you'd consider one a win and the other a defeat
>>224482959>Oof, nobody tell himYes, because there's nothing to tell. US is 100% blackrock owned including apartment buildings, homes and businesses. You are literally BLACKED by black rock. Meanwhile most vietnamese own small businesses, own their own homes, they got great food that's not poisoned like in epsteinmerica and have great relations with everyone.>but muh freedumb!Cue in loitering & prowling laws, dedicated free speech zones, being taken away by cop if you dare to exceed your 5 minute free speech limit, because after that the free version expires and you need to be a billionaire to make your voice heard by pumping millions into corrupt politicians money to have your way.>Every modern liberal democracy is oligarchicBuddy, you need to speak for yourself. In your USA Inc. 90% of wealth is owned by 3% of people, your dumbass president literally does insider trading, lines up his own and his buddies' pockets with tax payer money, all that not even including the revolving door that is the ultimate form of legalised corruption.>>224483060>the government wouldn't do that!I swear it's something in their water, there is no other explanation for this phenomenon.
>>224483183>You talk as if years of peace and inactivityas if after years of peace*>>224483326>between what Soviet and the American warbetween the Soviet and American war*Let me preemptively correct those before the golems start using rewriting mistakes as arguments
>>224483183Napoleon was defeated militarily though? Using scorched earth tactics and then harassing Napoleon was a military defeat. In Afghanistan we just decided to withdraw because we got sick of our allies lol its not the same thing
>>224483326>>224483183Why do you just lie and be obtuse on the internet? Do you get paid for this? You're obviously just fucking wrong. You aren't the God and arbiter of what occupation is a victory and what isn't. You're a random Italian faggot and your military has been a joke for 1,000 years.
>no actually that one Afghan war that bankrupt and broke an entire country was actually more of a victory than yours which didn't register at all domestically and was pretty much a cakewalk conquest and occupationright right, we're being very serious ITT
>>224483519>In Afghanistan we just decided to withdrawyour goal was to remove the Taliban and establish a pro-western state, and after spending like a trillion dollars and suffering 3000 casualties you gave up and left. That's a textbook defeat. Are you saying you didn't lose because the Taliban didn't conquer Washington?
>>224483340Oh you're a socialist retard. Makes sense. Oligarchy isnt just private ownership btw >Meanwhile most vietnamese own small businesses, own their own homes, they got great food that's not poisoned like in epsteinmerica and have great relations with everyone.The state owns all land in Vietnam , anon and theyre extremely influenced by globalization on the national level. >because after that the free version expires and you need to be a billionaire to make your voice heard by pumping millions into corrupt politicians money to have your way.Schizobabble head canon. We are not the UK lmao>90% of wealth is owned by 3% of peopleNo the top 10% owns about 66% of wealth in the US lmao>speak for yourself Your nation is an oligarchy whether youre aware of it or not lol
>>224483667>Taliban... conquer WashingtonCapital idea! When's it going down?
>>224483519Yes, he was defeated by guerrilla tactics after winning the propel, the same guerrilla tactics that the Taliban insurgents, against which you lost, usedAgain, why should we consider one a victory and the other a defeat?>>224483572I do indeed accept your concession>>224483606Fine, care to explain to me exactly how one is a defeat while the other is a victory?
>>224483667>your goal was to remove the TalibanYeah lol sure was. Originally it was to fight Al Qaeada and radical Islamic terrorism or whatever bullshit propaganda. We wanted a war to field test equipment and give soldiers actual war experience. Btw our GDP is about 32 trillion a year and Afghanistan was about 20 years long so do the math lmao People severely underestimate what our deep state's games actually are
>>224480891That hand is too white to be Vietnamese .
>>224483791>We wanted a war to field test equipment and give soldiers actual war experiencedamn you should keep doing that then, this is some 3000IQ shit
>>224483762>the same guerrilla tactics that the Taliban insurgents, against which you lost, usedThe Taliban did not use scorched earth tactics to starve and chase us out lmao, they got a political victory by outlasting our patience and need to use the ANA just like the North Vietnamese did. These are not the same scenarios lol
>>224483791People overestimate your deep state's ability to keep its games coherent. Keep it erratic and keep them guessing, I guess.
>>224483860It unironically is. We've buck broken OPEC so hard in the last decade its not even funny
>>224483676Dasrite, anyone who opposes legalised corruption and oligarchy is a socialist. Preach, brotha.>The state owns all landNot the state, the people. Also, probably state ownership is in place to prevent an average american tuesday where a guy knocks on the wrong door and eats lead from an AR-15 and the state protects him because he feared for his life and was on his private property.>Schizobabble head canon.Huh? I thought youtube wasn't blocked in america.>No the top 10% owns about 66%???>Your nation is an oligarchy>my nation is an oligarchical shithole only made to extract wealth and work people to the bone to maximize shareholder value with no vacation days and paternity leave which means it's the same everywhereAmazing.
>>224483935I feel like american drivers are getting buck broken at the pump every week but idk
>>224483929>im too stupid to see the plan therefore it doesnt exist Almost like psyops and hidden motivations are part of warfare or something. America's gonna collapse any day now tho just like people have been predicting for the last , idk, last 200 years
>>224483935And you're passing the savings on to.........is the goal of the game to see how close you can get your neck to the blade of a guillotine?
>>224483985It's almost like you've been committing acts of war on your own people for a little under half that, more and more openly. I understand the motivation of chaos for the sake of chaos, but it doesn't lend itself to a sensible end goal.Is the end goal the death of subtlety as a concept?
>>224483975>opposes legalised corruption and oligarchy is a socialist.Aww you think youre "opposing oligarchy" but dont think youre a socialist. So youre unwitting capitalist simp then lol>Not the state, the peopleHahahaha yup definitely a simp. No anon, the state owns their land and that retarded "i exist as the state" cuckold mentality is for slaves. >where a guy knocks on the wrong door and eats lead from an AR-15 and the state protects him because he feared for his life and was on his private property.No you just get stabbed or run over by Islamists and *still* deal with swatting as well. >YouTubeOh so its youtube induced digital psychosis. Interesting. I was expecting tiktok>>my nation is an oligarchical shithole only made to extract wealth and work people to the bone to maximize shareholder value with no vacation days and paternity leave which means it's the same everywhereNo its not lmfao. But yes that is what socialists have deluded themselves into thinking.
>>224483891They did fight a guerrilla campaign against you and your puppet government the whole time though. Or are you going to claim that you were both just chilling from 2002 to 2021?
>>224483988>the guillotine Hahaha always with the revolutionary larping. No the goal is to avoid a 1973 oil embargo crisis and putting the GCC within the American sphere of influence.I hear if you larp hard enough you can get executed via purity spiralling by the new Committee of Public Safety to own the chuds
>>224483985America has already collapsed. The process started in the 70s and got solidified somewhere around 9/11. When you give tax breaks to oligarchs, build data centers next to people's homes, when a few dozen million people live in their cars constantly being monitored by flock cameras and when you're one paycheck away from being homeless out on fentanyl infested streets with no social safety net, then you know your society has already collapsed.
>>224484122The Russians fought an effective guerilla campaign against the French which forced them outThe Taliban fought an effective guerilla war against coalition forces by waiting them out and them leaving What is hard to comprehend here? One is a political victory the other was military
>>224484203That was fifty years ago. I think trying to avoid a 2026 oil embargo crisis might be more in keeping with the times. Keep 'em guessing, America! Never a dull moment. Can't wait to see the season finale.
>>224484239Oh fuck off commie you retards said the same thing during the Gilded Age , literally its been over 100 years of seethe from you guys and a previous 100 year seethe before you about how the republic was gonna collapse without European core powers being in control then after the gilded age you've been predicting the collapse of the US since the era of the Soviet Union and oops what happened to them
>>224484250Ok, so one was a defeat, the other was a defeat with a bunch of losers' cope, got it
>>224484328Which boots taste best?You strike me as a Doc Martens guy.
>>224484322>OPEC doesnt exist bro that was 50 years ago its impossible that an oil cartel can use embargos as political leverage now!Yeah because we did something about it lmfao>keep em guessing That is the point, yes
>>224484349>being this obtuse Topkek. Stay obsessed my friend
>>224484370>Which boots taste best?My own after licking the commie blood off of them
>>224484328>said the same thing during the Gilded AgeWhat the fuck are you talking about? I'm talking about the NOW, not the fucking 19th century.>commie, socialist reeeeeeThat MK ultra subliminal programming sure is kicking up quite a fuss.
>>224484074>been committing acts of war on your own people for a little under half that, more and more openly.Ah yes the same rhetoric from 100 years ago. Love to see it still.
>>224484508>I'm talking about the NOWYes and you said the same thing 100 years ago which was a commie larp then and a commie larp now >throw off the chains of your oppressors the heckin capitalist pigs own you my fellow working class! Unlike me, the boots I lick say "working class" on them Power will always exist, hierarchies will always exist, the state will exist, and I hate you far more than the merchant / new rich aristocratic class which runs the republic. Deluded fags like you take power and everything gets more totalitarian and violent
>If I tell the same lies enough times, they'll become true!If you can't avoid getting blood on your boots, at least try to use a leather-friendly cleaning product to remove it. You're going to get worms.
>>224478824>military defeat>vietnam
>>224484618>>If I tell the same lies enough times, they'll become trueThat is how you've been socially engineered into being, correct.
>>224484599>Yes and you said the same thing 100 years agoYou must be legally retarded, because that wasn't the argument.> I hate you far more than the merchant / new rich aristocratic classNo surprise there, an average american will gladly accept oligarchical ruling class that buttfucks the populace on a regular basis for value extraction for shareholder value, you just need to delude the american into thinking he's 'free' by giving him 5 minutes of talking in a local council meeting and plastering the word 'freedom' everywhere and planting US flags on every corner. Because that's the real freedom, not the commie fag ideas like free healthcare, paternity leave, paid vacation, sick days, safe food additives, walkable cities, free education and many more.
>>224484656>got so rekt by vietnam they abolished the draft fearing mutiny
When Orange Julius leaves or dies by whatever means, are you guys still going to parrot him?I get that a lot of Canadians stopped crossing the border because of the politics and the vigilante militias shooting white women, but I honestly just got sick of being accosted by the neofascist hiring campaign every time I found myself fully polluted in Wisconsin or Illinois. I get it, I'm blond and blue with a beard I could hide artillery in, but I prefer my evil acts either clandestine, or so obviously destined to succeed instantly that they're performed as a public spectacle... This "It fucked up, so I'm gonna just keep saying it worked and pass the buck" shit is exhausting. Too much pride to even privately acknowledge the failures and improve.But hey, keep them guessing. Eventually the tinfoil hat crowd will be right about everything, and we can elect them directly, instead of putting them in charge of public health and safety.
>>224484836>country that got destroyed even worse replied to me
>>224484827Ahem>When you give tax breaks to oligarchs, build data centers next to people's homes, when a few dozen million people live in their cars constantly being monitored by flock cameras and when you're one paycheck away from being homeless out on fentanyl infested streets with no social safety net, then you know your society has already collapsedYes. This is just the same rhetoric as the communists and socialists 100 years ago>everyone is poor and miserable because muh bourgeoisie capitalism gonna collapse any day rise up!>the commie fag ideas like free healthcare, paternity leave, paid vacation, sick days, safe food additives, walkable cities, free education and many more.We have paternity leave, paid vacation, and a half socialized healthcare and everything you are talking about is literally demsoc talking points. You are so brain blasted from propaganda you just dont even realize it lmaoBtw. Austria? Not doing well either now are we? 1/4th of your country are migrants all seeking that comfy welfare system you have wonder why
>>224484868Literal schizobabble
>>224484827>value extraction for shareholder value=>surplus labor for profits Yes you are a communist retard and I hope you burn in hell
>>224485421grow up
>>224480436tottahan se on
>>224485521>ideology attached to maturity Such a self report you have no idea lmao
>>224485853k zoomergrow up
>>2244858902 kids my guy, how's your gf's bull's kid doing?
>>224485951in junior high with two kids? that's too young. pawn them off on her parents and grow up
>>224483010Napoleon lost decisively at Leipzig. Everything after that was a swan song, you illiterate troglodyte.Get the fuck out of here with that memerloo garbage.
>>224486268I know Leipzig was the actual final nail in the coffin but Waterloo is the official battle where he actually officially lost
>>224479043You lost nigga
>>224486724and guadeloupe is where you finally grow up
>>224486938Very feminine energy from this leaf
>>224486969grow up zoomer
>>224482507>>224482714The cope maps are getting more and more hilarious. Will Israel soon be "good relations with Iran"?
>>224480573>CzechiaThe last remnants of the Third Reich were in there and the Americans fought against that... in Germany. The Soviets ordered to stay clear of Czechoslovakia because they wanted that for themselves.>AlbaniaI looked it up and there was an Operation Valuable aimed at overthrowing Hoxha in 1950. But it was more of an MI6 effort if anything.I'm also
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