Pic related is me talking to a 2024 grad. I've seen so many of these kids with resumes and skills that could've easily gotten them a job 10 years ago sitting home unemployed.
>>224502772CSE grad*
>>224502772There's no jobs here.
>>224503068What are your plans going forward?
>>224503203Dying by some freeway, getting free stale bagels from the ralph's trashbin
>>224502772Idk pretty good in the trades, I’m an electrician and got my job with my first application
>>224503237I wish I was an American tradie desu. Blue collar jobs are undervalued and poorly taught in this country.
>>224502772>>224502787To be fair, you're competing with like what, 25 million, other indian CSE graduates?
>>224503273Yes. The thing is IT is the only industry that can give you a good salary while also being able to absorb a lot of fresh grads. If that gets fucked, then Indians are locked out of the biggest pathway for middle class life in India. Rest of the industries either pay poverty wages even by Indian standards or can't absorb a lot of fresh grads (Doctors, CAs, etc...).
Bump.
Ngl CS as a field feels fucking cooked. I can't imagine in the next 5-10 yrs most CS grads arent made redundant, and only the very skilled are employable.
>>224503356I have very little sympathy tbqh. IT jobs have been steadily vanishing here in the west for around two decades, outsourcing countries in eastern europe and asia being the main culprit for that development. You guys are only now feeling the same thing we have experienced for some time.
>>224504386*outsourcing to countries
>>224504386You're right. But at least you get NEETbux in the west. Here it's non-existent.
>>224504425Well you also don't pay half as much in taxes. There's a reason why there are very few nordic billionaires (even relative to the population) while there, at least in theory, is a chance of actually making it if you come from Asia.Not to mention that NEETbux is usually (and rightly) less than what you would make doing a minimum wage job, and you don't automatically get it unless you're deemed by a doctor to have some serious illness that makes you incapable of doing work. Regular unemployment gibs stop after 6 months and if you don't have a job by then you're basically forced to move back in with parents and live off them.
>>224502772every job i've had including my current one was arranged for me through family connections. i don't know what it's like to look for a job and i'm 40 this year
>>22450277210% unemployment here with a record amount of 18-25 year olds now. Last month we had like 500k unemployed people and 140k available jobs and the jobs keep drying due to automation and AI. >https://www.sverigesradio.se/artikel/swedens-long-term-unemployment-could-remain-high-in-the-years-ahead
>>224504525I met several swede NEET anons who get consistent NEETbux. I thought it was the same in all Nordic countries.>>224504558Goddamn. What do you do now and what are your plans going forward?>>224504565Is AI really having a significant impact or is it just hype?
>>224504804>Is AI really having a significant impact or is it just hype?A big chunk of the "grunt" work has vanished. The stuff that rookies and interns used to do is basically gone now.
>>224504888Are you employed or are you a NEET?
>>224502772Construction sector still hasn’t rebound in my third world tier home town. Looks like i’m going to have to keep commuting 70km one way to work for at least another year
>>224504804>I met several swede NEET anons who get consistent NEETbux. I thought it was the same in all Nordic countries.Permanent NEETbux is something you only get if you have a diagnosis that make you unfit for work (and even then the government continuously force you to prove that you are ill). Most NEETs on 4chan are (unironically) mentally ill people with some kind of diagnosis. Usually in order to be 100% unfit for work that requires some kind of severe chronic pain or a mental illness, my dad is paralyzed from the waist down and uses a wheel chair and he's considered like 17% handicapped and gets very little bux from the government for that.I was wrong in my previous post btw, unemploymentbux continues for up to 2 years maximum (but it is severely reduced after 6 months if you are a high income earner).
>>224504939>Looks like i’m going to have to keep commuting 70km one way to work for at least another yearWhat the fuck? Lmao, that must be soul crushing.
>>224504962>Permanent NEETbux is something you only get if you have a diagnosis that make you unfit for work (and even then the government continuously force you to prove that you are ill)Last part isn't true. Completely depends on what your diagnoses are. I've been on Sjukersättning (permabux) since I turned 30, I am 36 now and had zero contact with them since it got approved.
>>224504565>>224504888I’m did the whole adult schooling electrician course. I literally didn’t give a fuck about what I was going to do for a living. I went solely based on the courses where i was for sure going to land a job that pays decently as my only metric. We were like 4 guys who entered an employment after graduation in a class of 20. That shitty fucking school has two graduations a year too. They just keep pumping these suckers out
>>224505003It used to be like that here, like if you got permanent neetbux you were good basically, but then politicians started complaining about how easy it was for young people to be lazy and not work so now the rule is that no one under 34 gets permanent neetbux and you need to continue to prove that you need it.
>>224505003What's your illness anon?
>>22450497712 hour work days in practice. I leave at 05 and am home at 17:00
>>224505075What's your job?
>>224505045Oh shit, you meant in Norway. Sorry. >>224505049Bunch of crap. Autism, social anxiety, general anxiety etc on the psychological side. Psoriatic arthritis, severe asthma and allergies (basically any perfume or deodorant will make my throat close up) and such. My medical file is very thick.
>>224505150>Oh shit, you meant in Norway. Sorry.Yeah, but I also saw now that anon wrote swede, so my mistake I guess.
>>224505118Electrician. Construction sector.
>>224504804i work for a big construction firm as a driver. i just go around the city delivering materials. it's a good gig since i don't do any of the loading or unloading.
>>224505150Damn. Hope you're at least comfy in your NEET life.>>224505190Have you considered leaving your country? Electricians from first world countries are highly valued on Australia for example?
>>224505239Are you married/have a gf?
>>224505263>Hope you're at least comfy in your NEET life.I am. I get enough money to live comfortably on and being left alone is what I prefer anyway.
>>224505263Immigration to Australia is hella difficult though. A former colleague of mine moved there after being married to an Australian girl and they had like two kids together (that were born there) and they recently moved back to Norway after 7 years because they tightened family reunification laws there and somehow he was unelligable because of some bureaucratic detail.
>>224505286no i have no interest in that. i prefer being alone. in fact i took this job because i rarely have to interact with people
>>224505295Happy for you anon. Wish I was a firstie.>>224505328Damn, that sucks. Australians are shooting themselves in the foot desu.
>>224505402Me too bit here parents are desperate to get married. It sucks seeing their disappointment.
>>224505263I got kids. I had to decline a travel job to Stockholm after my internship. I was gonna spend 4 nights a week there. That’s how i ended up in this shit. At the very least i’m home and can cook them dinner and stuff like this
>>224505446Rare seeing a normie anon here.
>>224505426most people here are not married and even my parents only got married 20 years after being together due to some inheritance issue with my grandparents
>>224505524Do you ever get afraid of the possibility of being old and alone in the future?
>>224503203None. I've already tried everything, from vocational to college. Still a NEET.
>>224505674So you're waiting for death?
>>224502772You guys have the easiest time finding a job.
For any indians considering suicide, don't, live on and keep making firsties seethe, migrate there if possible.
>>224502772We have a higher education inflation right now. So the higher your diploma is, the odds go bad finding a job. My trick was to never have any ambition in life and get a simple job in security, it's basically a guarentee for work. But also all entry level jobs with unskilled labor like courier or working in a supermarket or bus driver or food delivery have lots of openings with a relative high minimum wage of 15 EUR per hour I have no pity for highly educated people who can't find a job, mainly because most of them are too proud to look outside their field
>>224506158No we don't :(>>224506324Small time wagie jobs pay poverty wages here(like even by Indian standards). Rather rope than do those.
If you weren’t employed within a year of post-Covid here around ~2022, then you missed the last helicopter out of Vietnam in finding a job with ease, so to speak
>>224502772>How fucked is the job market in your country?despite the overall economic downturn white collar jobs are still in an OK position, mostly because companies gatekeep by requiring C1+ german proficiency to get such job
>>224502772I just started my apprenticeship. We’ve also got 2 Indian girls in our class btw
>>224512043>started my apprenticeshipwhy are you 15
>>224502772I’ve had no issues desu>tfw got a big skill up during the coof as the job I got just before it happened was a big step up >job after was an even bigger step up >current job feels sideways but I’ve got everything in order where getting another job in the field shouldn’t be an issue
>>224511974This is what it feels like desuI remember seeing a post on /int/ if anons were worried about covid kids coming into the workforce, the answer’s no since they were fucked clearly and now they’re double fucked by AI, I wonder how they’ll get fucked a third time, robotics is slowly coming so maybe that will be the third
>>224502772nigga my country is a giant farmland, there's nothing other than soybean farms and cattle, anything else is boycotted by the government, we have one of the biggest interest rate in the whole world making impossible to run a business, yet our government subsidy all the farming industry (which is owned by a few people) with our own tax money.
>>224512230>This is what it feels like desuno not really
>>224502772Wage compression and tax bands are the main issue. It's not worth earning much more than minimum wage because as soon as you hit decent salaries the government steals it all. But because of compression, basically everyone just earns 28-35k anyway, so everyone is on low earnings. Unless you are earning like 200k, it's just not worth earning six figs. 100k and the govt rapes you so everyone does salary sacrifice.Basically, be a poor bastard or be very rich, because inbetween and you get a big govt cock up your arse.
>>224512486>be a low earning wagie and accept current situations, if you do not we will replace you with pajeets that will work for even less o algo
>>224505328even for euros it's that bad? I know everyone everywhere is doing this because certain (((migrants))) don't exactly operate in the morals in which these rules apply, you had those jeets who abused birthright citizenship by premature abortions across the border
>>224512664Being a middle income worker just means being raped by tax that funds welfare for jeets. Either be a welfare leach yourself (no job or low job that often pays less into system than gets out) or be a high earner. Middle income in 202X in the UK is being a retarded cuck.
>>224503356IT industry (software development) is the only sector that is actually getting nuked by AI, good luck getting a job as a junior, soon enough even senior roles will be glorified data entry and ai output checking positions
>>224517477>soon enoughSort of already is, tbqh. The first thing management did was stop hiring juniors and seriously trimming down seniors. Their justification is that mid-level engineers are way more productive now, so you don't need to pay the senior salaries when you can just use mid-level engineers to do both grunt work which juniors used to do, and be guided by AI to do architecture work.
>>224502772It's okay. I'm a tradie and the job market in my immediate area is booming. In other areas of the country, it seems like construction slowed down noticeably though.
>>224517477That's literally what it is right now, I'm so used to handling thing with codex I barely code right now, and so when I try to jump job I fail every technical interview because they are still asking leetcode questions as if one is still studying datastructures back in university, this market is retarded
>>224517477>good luck getting a job as a junior,everyone i knew from uni and me was already working as a software dev during uni or got a job right after graduating, it took me like 2 applications to get a job>>224517552> AI to do architecture workand thats where LLMs shit themselves
>>224517836>and thats where LLMs shit themselvesI'm genuinly curious if the industry is just retarded or really this behind? Gpt 6.0 Astra is out and from my testings there's literally no Junior engineer in the market right now that can code as fast and efficient as it, the only cases AI right now fails is in cybersecurity, yet I see companies hire people based on jeetcode performances all over the board, what a retarded timeline
>>224518003>I'm genuinly curious if the industry is just retarded or really this behind? Gpt 6.0 Astra is out and from my testings there's literally no Junior engineer in the market right now that can code as fast and efficient as itIdk just my personal experience at work, it works for smaller things where the problem is pretty clear and it can gather enough context from the project, but anything where it doesn't have the context will result in a vibeslopped mess and you'll have to rewrite 80% of the code it generated>be guided by AI to do architecture work.The problem here is that LLMs are pretty bad at guiding and will give you pretty bulshit and overly complex plans for pretty simple problems
>>224518223>Idk just my personal experience at work, it works for smaller things where the problem is pretty clear and it can gather enough context from the project, but anything where it doesn't have the context will result in a vibeslopped mess and you'll have to rewrite 80% of the code it generatedthat was years ago, i'm convinced you're a junior that knows nothing of the industry, gpt 6.0 astra can like oneshot really big projects, not to mention catch edge case scenarios that no human has ever planned for, especially considering you can't write 600 different tests by hand to catch every edge case.but who am I to judge, I'm a lead engineer at a startup, yet I fail technical interviews to switch job because they're full of jeetcode technical tests I haven't touched in years.
>>224502772desu if you talk to any of these unemployed CS/CE grads it's very obvious why they're unemployed within 5 minutes. Most don't even know what arrays are or how they work
>>224518260>I'm a lead engineer at a startupThe chances are higher that you're sukdeep from kolkata on a vpn tbdesu
>>224518316lol, I literally handle everything from frontend to backend and unless you're working in some top secret firm or the defense industry, doing shit by hand would get you fired if you actually had performance metrics up your ass, but you're probably a junior nigger that haven't been in meetings yet
>>224502772Lowest unemployment rates in historyBut all jobs suck
>>224504386>have very little sympathy tbqhYou should've some.Unlike norwegians, people in the third world without jobs die of hunger
>>224518345ok so you're actually indian?
>>224518403>zero reply other than calling me sukhdeep poojeetI accept your concession
>>224518433why should one argue with you?!
>>224518456>I accept your concession
>>224518463>i need to have the last reply
>>224518481>>I accept your concession
Just get a room and fuck, you fags.
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>>224518504I accept your concession>>224518526>(((I accept your concession)))
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>>224502772Depends on the work and the region. Where I am I've got a couple of friends with STEM degrees who can't find anything thanks to recent cuts to government research grants. Meanwhile I've been slaving away in retail for a decade and finally got a real job as a bus driver that I start later this month. It's all weird and lopsided.
>>224518852Happy you got a new job, fren.
>Scandi with reasonable position on neetbux and jobs being outsourced who understands what AI is doing>Indian who agrees and empathizes with European frustrations about outsourcing, is concerned about his own country's job market in a meaningful way not just personally bitching, and if anything undersells the role of AIBizarro thread, go back to fulfilling stereotypes immediately...
Pick up a fucking trade gaylord
>>224519217Indians don't really use AI in effective ways, as usual everything they do is very half-assed, I had to work with a indian who didn't know how to take screenshots and would keep taking it with their phone
>>224519283>Neetbux Swede brings the arrogance, gives an example of simple ignorance as sloppinessThat's better, that's the /int/ I know
>>224504565If they don't want to hire me then fine by me, gimme neetbux
