Realistically speaking, would humanity have could humanity have conquered interstellar travel by now, if they were left alone?
>>224504885Why would an Indian care? You do realize Germans took the name "Aryan" from you and applied it to an artificial concept it was never originally attached to?
>>224504885Of course, we'd be travelling through time by now but at least England got to throw bombs on civilians
>>224504967I care about overall human progress. The Aryan thing wouldn't have become as prominent if Germany didn't fuck itself up in WW1.
>>224505022>human progress.the few selected humans might indeed have achieved progress but the masses would be even worse than nowThe German Empire was a semi feudal country to the level unseen in western Europe by the end of 19th century.
>>224505099>The German Empire was a semi feudal countrySo they were like Japan?
>>224504885imo their emperor was more of an attention whore and didn't particularly want to be alone, so your alt history scenario is pretty hard to imagine
>>224504885>another thread about GermanySigh>>224504967Why do Poles care so much about insignificant threads about Germany? You nibbas are in every thread that mentions my country.>>224505099>The German Empire was a semi feudal countryIt wasn't.
>>224505099complete bullshityou didn't have fucking plumbing when Germans built computersyou don't have fucking plumbing to this day to be exact
>>224505185>my country.you're not German and this isn't your country
Yes, and it is all our fault.
>>224505144maybe, im not well versed in Japanese history (not to the extent I am in German history)>>224505185>Why do Poles care so much about insignificant threads about GermanyI'm just correcting other people's wrong opinions>It wasn't.Yes it was, read about the junkers.
>brown simps for germs - episode #987643571tiresome
>>224505332>not to the extent I am in German history
>>224505385You said yourself that your average German student has no idea that Germany ever owned land east of the Oder. If that's the level of knowledge about German history in Germany then pretty much every Pole can call himself an expert on German history, as here it is a basic fact we learn at school.
>>224504885>>224505022>I care about overall human progressSkłodowska had to study in Paris specifically because the Prussian partition of Poland didn't allow foids in universities. Prustards were anti-soyence knuckledragging cretins.Stop forming opinions based on vibes and tiktok edits.
>>224505439I never said that you obsessed faggotYou don't even know polish history you DUMB FAGGOT>In Prussian-controlled areas, serfdom was abolished through the Stein–Hardenberg reforms between 1807 and 1816. In Austrian Galicia, it was abolished in 1848 amid the Revolutions of 1848.[7] In the Russian-controlled Congress Poland, serfdom was finally abolished in 1864 following the January Uprising.[8]
>>224505503just because serfdom was formally abolished didn't change anything same like abolition of slavery in America didn't magically turn the country into an egalitarian paradise. Germany, especially Prussia (the chuds worship the most), continued the feudal relationship just disguised in a capitalism form. Yes, the peasant was formally free but to survive he still had to work in the landowner's farm to earn money to buy food from the landowner, the same food he produced (and he was given from the landowner before abolition of serfdom). Unlike many other countries, Germany's abolition of serfdom didn't entail a land reform and distribution of land from landowners to peasants, the junkers saved their huge estates as they were the source of their political and economic power (which eventually led German Empire to collapse).
>>224505332No it was a constitutional monarchy. You are spreading misinformation.>JunkerWere simply petty nobles who owned large estates and historically were often officials for the state and military of the Kingdom of Prussia. After the formation of the German Empire (and even before that in the 1840s) the Junker class were successively curtailed in their formerly feudal rights until they were nearly nonexistend in 1872. The only remnant being that some Junker had a direct and unelected seat within the various district councils.
>>224505606btw, after regaining independence Poland did a partial land reform but it faced immense pressure from Germany as they considered it "an attack against Germanness in Poland". And it wasn't only a case in Poland, Germany reacted furiously to every case of such land reform in every other country with German gentry, like Baltic states, Yugoslavia etc. Yes, the post-WW1 "republican" German government defended the leftovers of junkers and their estates, yet chuds still believe Germans were progressive.
The fruits of the p*lish education system
>>224505705> constitutional monarchy.who said "Macht vor Recht"?
>>224505817We had great universities which produced minds like Copernicus when Prussians still lived in the huts on the swamps around the village of Berlin. And that's why our enemies were especially focused on destroying education here and wiping out the intelligentsia throughout all the 19th and 20th centuries.
>>224505606>Unlike many other countries, Germany's abolition of serfdom didn't entail a land reform and distribution of land from landowners to peasantsThe German Empire consisted of many states but let's only focus on Prussia: 1) already in 1718 the "domain-peasants" (those who worked the land directly owned by the crown) were freed of their serfdom and became free farmers who simply didn't own the land they worked. This was changed in 1777, when those free farmers were granted the right to bequeath those land plots to their children, thus eliminating the need for the crown to formally retract and again bestow those plots2) in 1807 the privilege of bequeath the plots of worked land were granted to those peasants who worked on non-domain lands. In addition corvee services were abolished and the freedom of occupational choice and movement were granted3) in 1811 every farmer became the direct private owner of the plots of land they worked. But as they had to compensate the previous owner of those lands, many traded parts of their plots of lands away. Thus they were free farmers, who worked their own land and to finance themselves further also worked contractually on the land of the rural nobility. In practice this disadvantaged those farmers who worked on smaller plots of land, which were thus less profitable. This caused a migration of fromer rural workers into the cities or unto the lands of the rural nobility to work there as contracted workers - at the end of a day a very similar situation to the Inclosure Acts of England, which also saw the migration of rural populations into the cities and the rise of gentry with vast landholdings. >>224505835Not Bismarck. This statement is an invention of an austrian satire newspaper from late 1870.
>>224505474>>224505930TRVKES>>224505817>pic rel
>>224504885Why do Pooplacks get so mad at Imperial Germany?
>>224508002low IQ unironically
>>224505930Oh shut the fuck up. You literally sound like Indian>PAAAAN WE THE STRONGEST UNIVERSITY PAAAN!!!! WE REDEEMED THE YUROP!!!! HEAR MY BENCHOD!!!
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>>224508002>why do Hungarians get so mad at the British Empire and Wilsonian US>>224508478India is a great civilization and there is a reason why Germans larped as Indo-Aryans
>could humanity have conquered interstellar travel by now, if they were left alone?I doubt the interstellar travel, but I can imagine them establishing lunar colonies and space stations around Mars and beyond.
>>224508788you do realize what was the common stereotype of Spain and the Spanish in German media like before the ~1980s and it still periodically comes up every time Spain experiences a crisis?
>>224508530We don't care about the British Empire. Wilson destroyed Europe and gave way the Panslavic horrors that caused the death of 60 million Europeans, totalitarian dictatorships and economic decline. Meanwhile Imperial Germany was the peak of human development where even a Jew or a Pole could rise through the ranks.
>>224508861you realize most people don't care about such things you turbo autistic half jew half Indian shithead
>>224508861Does that have anything to do with germans conquering Space?
>>224504885Jeet so desperate to leave India even the furthest most inhospitable alien worlds in galaxies million of trillions of light-years away seem like better places for him to live than his own country.
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>>224509005yes, because even if Germans achieved space, you couldn't witness it yourself
>>224504885How can people actually look at this shit and say that poland should be 70% composed of prussia?
>>224509189germany big gud
>>224509151>even ifIt's not a "if," they were the first in space and even today they can do space shit, shame governments don't give a fuck about R&D
Guys, stop fighting. I only made this post in jest.
>>224504885>interstellar travel No, we would be slower on that worldwide. Without the exact sequence of Nazi rockets and the Cold War, there's no reason to speed up above-orbit research. It would be a niche weather thing at best.
>>224504885well, poland wouldn't exist
>>224505099It wasn't by 1850, Germany was industrialized as fuck... Btw major parts of migrants to Brazil was from such areas that farms was buy by state or private business and many fled to US and Brazil searching new agrarian lands
>>224509990They was a society in transition, like Bluemenau was a city both agrarian but with some small textile industry bring by such krauts
>>224509990>Germany was industrialized as fuckif it was so industrialized then Germans wouldn't have needed to emigrate to Brazil en masse as farmers, since they could find employment in German cities - but they couldn't
>>224510542Kek, periods of transition economic, exist Chuds ala fugere urbem, that migrants because think old Germany die, millions must leave
>>224510542They emigrated because the work in factories was so often badly paid and because there wasn't enough agricultural land to go around. Especially in the early 19th century many left Germany to become farmers in the new world (often for free as the USA and other states just gave plots of land away). And around a fith of the german immigrants came back in 1860s.
