>muslims here eat pork doe!Do they really or is this just hyperbolic banter?
>>224506599A ehnically native European people being Muslim for centuries really make my brain explode
>>224506599they really don't, you can only get pork-stuffed food in Serbian/Croatian parts (or neighborhoods) of BiHthey do drink alcohol and listen to music, tho. At least most of them, because there is also a strictly religious minority that doesn't do that. And traditionally the Bosnian restaurants in the old town of Sarajevo don't serve alcohol but again, this is more like specific tradition (+ adjustment to ubiquitous Arab tourists) than the Bosnian way because three streets away beer and rakija are already sold everywhereit's pretty much western Turkey-style of Islam desu it would be great if Bosnians paved the way for their version of Islam to become more popular in Europe's Muslim communities.
>>224506751it was just specific coincidence, Bosnians were already heretic Christians in the Middle Ages, left on the sidelines of Christian civilization, they adopted the views of a gnosticist sect called bogomils that believed in a dualist world and no holy trinity + they didn't believe in church hierarchy, so adoption of islam was very easy for them.
>>224506599european muslim culture is just turkish muslim culture, basically not very muslim
>>224506599They don't, at least going by the gazillion bosnians living here. They do all sort of degenerate shit, but pork is where they draw the line, quite funny actually
>>224506930Pork is easier to give up than alcohol.
>>224506930>quite funny actuallyEuropeans are the same when it comes to eating dogs, you know
>>224506930same with arabs here
>>224506599it's actually one of the most beautiful and interesting countries in Europeso sad to see how underrated and unknown it is
>>224506930Because pork is disgusting
>>224506930>alcohol>yes>drugs>yes>prostitutes>yes>pork>Haram, I am Muslim brother
>>224507166is it true that Turks worship Bosnian women?
>>224506599i'm sure some do. i personally know pomaks here that eat pork and they are our equivalent of bosniaks
>>224507387Pomaks are slavs exausted of gazis of Turkey, and became muslims to extent of taxes, they more nobles than common peasants
>>224506599My grandma is from there and her family called her to tell her she can't have her heart valves replaced with pig heart vales because it's haram.
>>224508236>My grandma is from therebravo, evo ti zagrebacko prebivaliste, dobro dosli kod svojih!
>>224508236i bet you listen to turbofolk and half of your vocab is turkish
>>224506751average low iq mulatto mongrel
>>224508414yes but at this point it makes him no different from a Croat without a Bosnian background
>>224506924Not, Bosnia by 100 years - 1700-1800, they was under austriac empire hands. Of course, the religion of state was Catholicism and politics germanifieds was present, so they was cuted of muslim world and have its Owen islamic traditions of Eastern European stock
>>224508396>>224508414I'm a Dalmatian who lives in Zagreb. Fight me. Also, my grandma dropped Islam and calls herself a Croat now.
>>224508448Croats had their owen empire we wuz. They defeated Venice, and many nobles croats help build North Italy and Apulia
>>224508517go back to your tukrish hinterland and leave Evropa alone
>>224508517>my grandma dropped Islam and calls herself a Croatjos vise dobro dosli!
>>224508553Literal historical Croatian core.
>>224508553Muslim slavic or austrian german, he means
>>224506812Based there is no church hierarchy. Catholics and orthodox just made that shit up.
>>224508641then go live there and eat your cevape slop
>>224508692>ummm signoreeee we don't eat cevapi on the coast, only pizza and spaghetti here, bappidi bappedi!
>>224508692I live in my country. You're a diasporoid.
it's funny how literally all the ex-yu area is obsessed about Bosnia 24/7 while Bosnians just chill out and don't give a f about anything
>>224508656Btw peoples of german stock and protestants was very important to balkanlar history... Many suabians settled in Serbia and Criaria during 1700s, and developed agriculture
>>224508816your country is bosnia
>>224508517>>224508641>>224508236Go back you. I‘m begging you, LEAVE.
>>224508866Josip Tito was a braintard anti hitlerist troon o algo, and massacred yugoslavian german minor ethicies as a socialist shitposter
>>224508971How a mac-caco know this-s? Brazil was home to germans-croats migrants fleeding leninist massacres in Paraná state
>>224508967You should leave if you hate Croatia so much.>>224508971He did a good job.
>>224509112I love croatia, I hate you brown serb balkaners that move here. LEAVE OR ASSIMILATE (YOU NEVER WILL)
>>224506812Bosnians did not exist in the Middle Ages. Bosnian Kingdom = Croatian Catholic state. Bogumils were a minor Bulgarian sect that did not exist at the time when the Turks occupied Bosnia. Today's Muslims are NOT the heirs of medieval Bosnia, but are Islamized Serbs and Croats who dream of establishing a caliphate and jerk off to Turkey. Odjebi, patuljko.
>>224509322https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4FBoeo1hrw
>>224509322I'm a white pure Croat and we're inseparable from the Balkans, it's time to stop LARPing.
>>224509363>who dream of establishing a caliphate didn't some Croat-Bosnian doctor get fined by a CROATIAN court for saying something like this aloud? so you'd better beware of what you say
>>224509363The sect of Bogumils was son of the French gnostic heresy of Catares, in Ocitania, Western France and parts of Spain
>>224509429Patuljko, you can only swallow sperm. 10,000 Muslims went to fight on the side of ISIS in Syria.
>>224509472did you read that on informer?
>>224509408I'm sure he is that "Croats are Ostrogoths" spammer.
>>224508817It's literally just a few Croats schitzoposting. Bosnians are chill though
>>224509408Post yourself nigger. Bet you look nothing like me you brown mutt.
idk how anyone could dislike Bosnia and Bosniansthey're really the coolest people one could meet, I cannot believe they could ever harm anyone even from the darkest times of the war you won't find even one Bosnian song that would spread hate, they're all about patriotism and love for the motherland/religion but never about hatred (and sadly the other warring sides produced such hateful music).
>>224509542How can a protect Croatia from itself?
>>224509512No, that goes against everything he says.And that croatflag is actually white unlike this one.
>>224507166I would delete every single Turkish dish, even all the Greek ones that Turks pretend are Turkish, just for prosciutto
>>224509468https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogomil_(priest)The communists tried to turn the system around in an attempt to create and justify the existence of an Islamist state in a supposedly atheistic country. Their argument was 'if the Croats are Catholics and the Serbs are Orthodox, then this means that the Bosnians are Bogomils'. This is logical nonsense because both Croats and Serbs were two separate peoples who had the same religion for centuries. We were not created by religion and religions do not create nations. That's bullshit.
>>224509713so they just converted becuase of taxes ?
>>224509494Why would i read informer? These are the estimates of the Croatian intelligence services. Muslims have not mentally abandoned '96, and on their portals nothing is written except about Croats and Serbs. You cannot even imagine the amount of hatred they feel towards Serbs and Jews.
>>224509809I read bosnian portals and subs pretty often and I don't see any hatred agaisnt anyone, you're making stuff up. Obviously, if Serbs organize a funeral for Mladic it makes them angry but it would make angry every person I guess.
>>224509809Naj se povedat znim.
>>224509753I think you shouldn't listen to anyone who thinks that "communists" seemingly created a new nation based on religion.Not to mention that Tito was a Croat.
>>224509753Of course. And that number was not even large, but there is a problem that every time the Turks lost the war against Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Serbia, the completely Islamized population from those areas moved to Bosnia as a 'safe house'. Let's say, when Slavonia, a region in eastern Croatia, was liberated, Muslims made up at least 40% of the population. All of them plus Muslims from Hungary fled to Bosnia, and Eugene of Savoy took a huge number of Croats with him to Slavonia and Hungary. Then the Dalmatian hinterland was liberated, the same process happened again. And in the end, the same thing happened in Serbia. Despite all that, Serbs were the majority in Bosnia until 1971. Muslims increased the population by 3-4x in just 70 years of Yugoslavia. Personally, I blame Austria for everything. The Croatian army liberated Bosnia in 1878, but instead of allowing the expulsion of the Muslims and returning Bosnia to Croatia, they tried to create a 'Bosniak' nation which the Muslims refused. They saw themselves as subjects of Turkey and part of the ummah.
>>224509973Top kek>>224510009Komunisti su DOSLOVNO priznali naciju imena 'Muslimani', a ti mi kazes da to nije utemeljeno na vjeri. Lol. Pa koliki cirkusant moras biti?Muslimanima uzmi islam, vise ne ostaje nista. Ni ime, ni imena, ni prezimena, ni kolektivni identitet, ni povijesno sjecanje. Himnu, grb i zastavu ionako nemaju. Fake nacija 1/1. Prestani jest govna.
>>224510138ne smes ovo reci sarajlijama u lice bolan
>all these seething crorats
>>224509713Bogumil gnosticism have french/spanish origins. This is why Bosnian flag is the same of Bourbon house
>>224510224All they do on this board. Their country is half the population of ours and whenever the region is mentioned them come crawling out of the woodwork. Collectively Serbians and Bosnians know not to even talk in these kinds of threads or it will get spammed with paragraphs about some made up nonsense. And it happens anyway as you can see by the threadAs for OP. Balkan Muslims do pretty much everything but eat pork. A minority of them don't drink and follow the Koran. But they're still Balkaners so half of them brew rakija in their backyard anyway
>>224510138bosnjaci imaju pravo da postoje kao nezavisni narod, za ovo se borili 4 godina i ovo im niko ne sme da uzme imaju svoju povijest, imaju zlatne liljane, imaju jezik (koji je manje slicni srpskom nego sto je danasnji hrvatski lmao), identitet takodje imajui jos ima ljudi koji hoce da postanu bosnjaci naprimjer u sandzaku, bosnjastvo je nesto vise od same bosne ne diraju oni tebi hrvatsku pa nemoj ti ih dirati
>>224510318People know shit of few bosnian muslims culture, what is some order Bektashi... That are monasteries sunnis tht Hamzaevics does tawasuf recitibg lhe name Allah Allah and perdiam porte turning around itselfs like a fidget spinner.
>>224510195Smijem, jesam i hocu. >>224510255Top kek. Tvrko kotromanic take lily coat of arms bcs he was related with angevins via nemanjic family. Lily is catholic simbol. >>224510397Nemaju pravo. Potomci suradnika okupatora imaju 0% prava. Kao sto ni ti ne bi dao pravo nekima koji su u ww2 promijenili vjeru na luteranski, posvapcili prezimena, imena, i da su ti otkinuli komad zemlje, a onda iducih 400 god napadali ono sto je preostalo od poljske.
>>224510648bosna nije bila hrvatska pa ne znam kakve to veze ima sa situacijom o kojoj pricas bili su turci okupatori ili prijatelji bosnjaka - to nije problem za hrvate ali samo za bosnjake da ga sami resavaju, ti im nemoj reci sta da misle o svojoj istoriji
why are all balkan threads so schizoTo answer, they're basically some variant of ottoman muslims who don't tend to exactly be very religious, neither albanians, pomaks, bosnians, tatars etc are very religious, I mean has anyone seen the ottoman elite before the collapse how they lived? kekt. urk
>>224510775Kako nije bila hrvatska, majku ti glupu jebem?
>>224510793are you muslim?
>>224510793Not, but early 1700s, many of them was under Austrian crown and they shifted their scholar muslim brain capital to Iran, Iran was the potency of epoch of East.... Exist many poetry persian bosnian and stuff iranian
>>224510927bosna je bila bosanska, jeste i uvek ce bitismesno je kada toliko kazes o 'suradnikama okupatora' i izdajnicima a sami ste se predali madjarima 300 godina ranije
>>224510969not really, I mean ask any turk if he's a muslim he'll say yes, but unless he's some mentally ill diasporoid he'll still drink, fuck around and do all haram things possible. It's a turkish thing because religion was never really the core of our identity as much as it is for arabs, most of the sects during ottoman times focused on spiritualism over the typical religious stuff anyway, just look up sufism
>>224510995no idea what schizo stuff you are talking about, bosnia was part of ottomans until like late 1800s, Iran is Shia which has nothing to do with ottomans nor bosnia
>>224511077Turks when came from Central Asia wasn't all muslims ... Many beyliks was christians nestorians, like one uyghur christian priest that founded Bursa, pechenegs in Syrian border became muslim of 1st generation and even turkic jewish hassadic tribes existed
>>224511077i see alot of religous turks here which hate on atatürk thats why i aslked
>>224511185turks adapted Islam mostly because of geopolitics, they still kept a lot of mystical shit which is why sufism, bektashism and such occured, bektashism is literally islam+tengrism combined with spiritual islamic characteristics.in either case, there wasn't a point during ottoman history where Islam played a major role, it was just a tool in the end by the elite.>>224511283they're either mentally ill diasporoids, kurds or something else, judging by how brown all almancis are, I have to guess they are zainichi kurds.
>>224511035Majmune, bosna je bila dio hrvatske u 9, 10, 11 stoljecu. Kasnije kad je postala banovina i kraljevstvo uglavom su ju vodile hrvatske velikaske obitelji (kotromanici, ban boric, hrvatinici, subici itd) a tamo su zivili hrvati sto znamo sasvim pouzdano jer su isti ti ljudi naselili slavoniju, ugarsku i austriju. I ostali hrvati iducih 400 godina. Ne postoji nikakav 'nacionalni' bosanski identitet u srednjem vijeku, a ne moze ni postojati jer je bosna rijeka po kojoj su ljudi oko nje uzeli ime kao regionalnu odrednicu (kao npr neretljani. Sta mi zelis reci, da su neretljani bili nacija? Majmune). Cak i turski putopisci koji dolaze u vec okupiranu bosnu zovu te ljude oko rijeke bosne hrvatima. Muslimani nemaju pravo na nista, tocka. Hrvatska je usla u uniju s madjarskom jednako kao poljska s litvom. Apsolutno nista sporno ili neobicno.
>>224511373>Sta mi zelis reci, da su neretljani bili nacijamoderne nacije su nastale samo u 19 stoljecu pa naravno da bi mogli biti ako bi povijest krenula drugim putommozemo se svadjati koliko su bosnjaci bili nacija u srednjem veku isto kao se moze razpravljati o nacijonalnosti tadasnjih hrvata, ali sigurno bosnjaci su punopravna nacija danas i ovo su potvrdili svojom krvlju koju su dali za nezavisnu bosnu u ratu >Hrvatska je usla u uniju s madjarskom jednako kao poljska s litvom.isto se moze reci za bosnu i tursku, bosanski plemici su postali agovi i begovi, bosna je dobila siroku autonomiju od sultana, mozda i siriju od toga sta ste dobili od madjara
>>224506751These guys are treated as the shining jewel of Islam, because it's white people who are muslim in an otherwise embarrassing faith of inbred browns.
>>224511702>moderne nacije su nastale samo u 19 stoljecuNe, nisu nastale u 19 stoljecu nego je nacionalizam postao ideologija 19 stoljeca. Idiote. >mozemo se svadjati koliko su bosnjaci bili nacija u srednjem veku Ne mozemo. Narod ne uzima ime po vec zatecenom lokalitetu, nego lokalitet imenuje po svom imenu. >svojom krvlju koju su dali za nezavisnu bosnuBosna nije neovisna jer je protektorat, nit je njihova nacionalna drzava jer na nju nemaju (po ustavu) niti 0,000001% vece pravo nego hrvati i srbi. I uz to, kontroliraju 23% teritorija. Oni su izgubili u ratu. >bosanski plemici su postali agovi i begoviNetocno, pobijeni su ili asimilirani, vecina je pobjegla u hrvatsku i italiju. Presaltao se kali postotak naroda>siroku autonomiju od sultana, mozda i siriju od toga sta ste dobili od madjaraBosna nije imala nikakvu autonomiju. Hrvatska je cijelo vrijeme imala status drzave, ne 'autonomije', jer su hr i madja bile 2 drzave koju je vezala samo zajednicka osoba kralja i doslovno nista vise. A nakon sto su arpadovici izumrli, na prestolje su dolazili francuzi, nijemci, rumunji i hrvati.
>>224511817all faiths are embarrassing
>>224511980>nego lokalitet imenuje po svom imenu.nije to uvek tako, zavisi od situacije>Hrvatska je cijelo vrijeme imala status drzave, ne 'autonomije',trebalo im je to reci kad vam uzimali fiume
>>224512140>nije to uvek tako, zavisi od situacijeJednostavno pitanje za tebe: hrvati su se iz danasnje juzne poljske doselili u bivsu rimsku provinciju ilirik u 7 stoljecu. Kad i pod kojim imenom su se doselili 'bosanci'? Zelis mi reci da je u poljskoj u 6 stoljecu postojao narod koji se zvao po rijeci 700km juznije koju ce ugledati njihovi praunuci za 100 godina? Kek. Jel ti cujes sebe? A najgore je sto ne trolas. Predstavljas apsolutnu sramotu za poljake. Ej, biti poljak a podrzavati balije. Koja bolest. >fiumeRijeka. Pricas o situaciji parsto god kasnije, ali maznuli su to na prevaru. Poanta je da su sa hr morali napravit sporazum. Slovacka ili slovenija o tako necemu nije mogla ni sanjati. Hrvatska je imala nacionalni parlament, aristokraciju, vladu, putovnicu i vojsku. Cak i nogometnu ligu. Svi atributi drzavnosti bili su tu. Bosna ili srbija u turskoj, slovenija ili slovacka u dunavskoj monarhiji ne da to nisu imali nego to nisu mogli ni sanjati. Nisi realan, ne znas povijest, drkas na balije i jednostavno nisi normalan. Ne da mi se vise natezat s tobom, jedi govna i aj bok.
>>224512396volim sve jugoslavenske narode i ne podrzavam nikoga vise od drugog, svi mi ste fini i mislim da biste trebali ziveti u bratstvu i jedinstvu i nadjam se da ce se ovo nekad desiti i zato cu braniti bosnjake od mrznje iz bilo koje strane (hrvata, srba itd), isto kao bih branio hrvate da ih neko mrzi (ali bosnjaci ne mrze nikoga pa se ne treba briniti)mi jos uvek ne znamo odkud je zapravo dosao naziv 'hrvati' pa je tesko reci od cega je uzet, mozda se isto tako suradjuje sa nekom rijekom ili nekim drugim geografskim pojamom > Poanta je da su sa hr morali napravit sporazum.u kojom je grad iskljucen iz hrvatske i smatrao se dijelom ugarske pod kontrolom budimpeste
>>224511817Inbdreed browns? What about Malays yellows?
>>224506751Why are you surprised, it only takes making a few generations bend the knee and then the system self perpetuates.
>>224506762That is just their madhab/school, which has relatively lenient rulings on drinking compared to the other 3 iirc
>>224513091is there a school that says that Muhammad banned specifically wine but not other types of alcohol? because I see that argument sometimes used in practice
