Kinda weird to have a whole-ass theocratic country of 90 million people based on Shi'ism. That's like if you had a whole country governed by Mormonism or Jediism. If you're gonna base your government on Islam, at least make it the correct version, not some weird knock-off.
>>224577633Italy was supposed to be a federation of states with the pope as president, but the anglo freemasons didnt like it
>>224577633How are Shiites any weirder than Sunnis?
>>224577810Because Shi'ism is silly. The basics of Islam are that there is only one monotheistic God and only he should be worshipped and that Muhammad is his messenger. And then Shias do stuff like pray to Ali and Fatima and ask them to help them in their lives, even though they were humans just like you and me. Imagine if there was a sect of Christianity where people invoked the name of John and prayed to John for help.
>>224577633You're going to summon him, wach out he's in the other Iran thread
>>224577633>>224577923there's nothing weird about the intercession of saints, if anything, Sunnis should be ashamed of worshipping Netanyahu and being so shit at war
>>224577923Oh wait. They probably already do that. Silly me. But you get my point.
>>224577953ooh. sounds ominous!
>>224577959This
>>224577959>nothing wrong with intercession of saintswhen I was a Muslim I wouldn't dream of praying to other than Allah, because prayer is considered a form of worship and worshiping other than Allah is like the worst sin in Islam.>worshiping netanyahuhuh?>beng so shit at waryes
Kinda weird to have any muslim country in big 2026, period
>>224577633Sunnism is too susceptible to saudi and turkey, too 'amorphous' with pakistan which iran has a border with. Shiism gives them a clear no-contest canvas where they can say 'oh yea this is actually falsified by the sunni dogs'.Persians are good at this shit. Persianization was a huge problem everywhere they went. Even if you beat them you gradually lose due to incidental persianization whether by cultural diffusion or intermarriage. This is why zoroastrians snuck through conversion even though they're fire worshippers not even people of the book. every caliph had a few persian advisors + favored persian concubine and sometimes a full persian wife.
>>224577959To be honest, Sunni has +10% Cavalry ratio, while Shia has +5% Morale of armies.
>>224578226tldr shiism is the pipeline to cultural persianization and getting loyalists everywhere.
>>224578226I guess it's kinda like the West vs China. China can just do the proper thing quickly while the Western democracies are caught up in philosophizing and political debate.
>>224578279oh yeah, with all this "Heydar! Heydar!" "Never give up to global kikery no matter what!" sentiment. https://youtu.be/EGBZold3-qI
>>224578362I was making a EU4 joke.
>>224578384I agree with the +5 morale thing. Sunnis might've toppled Israel if they had this "Heydar Heydar!!" stuff.
>>224578384Heydar is a cool sounding word. It means something like lion / unyielding warrior. That's exactly the approach we should have towards Israel and the US, to choose death over disgrace by surrender to them.
>>224578279>Shia has +5% Morale of armies.based Shi'atul Ali élan
>>224577923Prophet Muhammad is supposedly a human too, it would be idolatry to worship him as an extra-human because it violates the principles of tawheed, yet Muslims still do this in contrary to what they “believe”. If you treat this “prophet” as otherworldly than you are an idol worshipper goy, our prophets in the Bible are open to criticism and you can critique their work and draw them unto paper without someone trying to behead you for it
>>224577633The funny thing is not even the rest of shiites like khomeinist shiism, some even excommunicate them. They aren’t even properly practicing shiism.
>>224578524Bruh, how are you not ashamed of that flag?
>>224578524Retarded jew.We do not hold any of the prophets in excellence proportionate to that of divinity, no Muslim does this except a retarded sufi. Nobody “worships” the prophets we venetrate him. It is essential to Tawhid Al Uluhiyya to treat the Prophet Muhammad’s ASWS words as infallible in religion because that is what Allah ordered us to do because the prophet does not speak of anything in matters of religion except from God, not from his desire, we do not open critique in the sayings of the prophets because they are the sayings of God.
>>224578549Kinda weird for Zaydi Shias to ally with twelver Shias when Zaydi Shi'ism just seems like quirky Sunnism while Twelverism has this whole pantheon of Imams.
>>224577633>>224577923Sunnis are jewish controlled puppets
>>224578611Maybe Sunni governments but not Sunnism or Sunnis themselves.
>>224578604On paper yesIn reality you have at least 300m retards who think sayyid spit mixed with garlic can heal back pain
>>224577711that'd be kino
>>224578609Shias are not one group that’s how unstable they are, even among subgroups like zaydis there’s differences between them, there are zaydis that do clear cut blasphemy like saying the qurans created and fisq like insulting unmarried or abu baker and then you have mainstream zaydis that agree with Sunnis in 90% of things, the types that adhere to figures like al Shawkani.
>>224578574Why would I? Would I rather have the flag of some Balkan thirdie shithole?>>224578604I was talking about MoMo the Zuttslut directly, if he was just a human being, then why do you worship him just like Christians do to Jesus? If he was a human being how is it that he can’t be drawn into or portrayed into a physical object? Seems like you treat him as an otherworldly diety> we do not open critique in the sayings of the prophets because they are the sayings of GodWhy not? Abraham wrestled with G-d regarding the culling of Sdom and Amorah, saying that there must be at least 1 righteous gentile there, you stole this from us and consider it canon to your religion.Critique and analysis is the basis of any serious religion, and y’all don’t ever question pretty much anything, but oh well, don’t interrupt the enemy while he’s making a mistake o algo
>>224578639While I would like to agree, ISIL wasn't a government.
>>224578362>>224578449bro dont base your reality on what diaspora shia and their fairweather russian/ccp allies say lol
>>224578703You seem like you'd rather wear a gay pride flag than of some Balkan thirdie shithole.
>>224577923That sounds a bit like praying to confucius, mazu or tenjin
>>224578703>he can’t be drawn>he can’t be depicted>so he is DivineThis is your retarded terminology that you are presupposing onto me and the conclusion makes 0 sense, we cannot depict the Prophet Muhammad ASWS because that would be lowering his status into the interpretation of that drawing and because drawings as a whole are forbidden. None of that has any relation to divine properties. I guess I am a fucking God by your logic now since you cannot draw and depict me.>Why not? Abraham wrestled with G-d regarding the culling of Sdom and Amorah, saying that there must be at least 1 righteous gentile there, you stole this from us and consider it canon to your religion.Abraham did not argue against God we do not believe this, this is from your telling which we do not accept. We don’t consider telling from the Christian’s or jews as a canon in our religion, we refer to them as the israiliyyat and we don’t accept or reject them, they don’t hold any value in our religion.>Critique and analysis is the basis of any serious religion, and y’all don’t ever question pretty much anything, but oh well, don’t interrupt the enemy while he’s making a mistake o algoThere are some things that cannot be analyzed or criticized, if you apply critique and analysis to a religion in every field then that’s not a religion anymore because you stripped it away from faith completely and rationalized it.
>>224578753Ok and? Isn’t it more humiliating to be drone striked by a gay kuffar in Tel Aviv? You cope so much that you say that they were “martyered” too and that they will get infinite sex dolls and rivers of alcohol in Jannah. Don’t really think Momo the Zuttslut would have considered him a brave warrior to merit this reward
sunnis act like they're better than other mudslimes and then they go blow themselves up because some obscure hadith told them that the prophet forbade eating fried chicken on 2nd Tuesday of the month because a rock stole his clothes and hid it in a local KFC
>>224578279Zoroastrian gets the 10% discipline monument though, why didn't you choose that?
>>224578817Fuck off /pol/tard, on ramadan muslims pull up mukbang of your shitty polish food so it’s easier for them to fast.
>>224578703Dafuq does it matter that your genocidal, fascist, racist theocracy is technologically advanced? If anything, I don't think you deserve any of your current success and it should all be taken away from you and given to more pious people.
>>224577923>where people invoked the name of John and prayed to John for helpRoman Catholicism does that, literally the main christian denomination. But the idea behind santitute in humans other than Jesus is that in life those people have achieved a closer relation with God so they act as intermediaries for the actions of God for the things they were known to do in life, like you'd e-mail a local representative who's otherwise powerless to make stuff happen on his own but he has the governor's number saved on whatsapp
>>224578845damn nigga sure be havin a short fuse, gotta watch out so he don't blow up
>>224578808I'm an atheist so I don't care about whether it's a gay kuffar from Tel Aviv. I just hate Israelis for being portrayed as eternal victims despite thinking they're a superior race because a bronze age storybook told them so
>>224578882I already blew my fuse inside of your mother after I took her for a concubine
I don't think normies realize how truly problematic the Jewish belief of them being "chosen" actually is. I think it's the purest form of racism for them to think that they're somehow special and for some reason deserve a state of their own, which they actually stole from Palestinians.
>>224578818I'm in 1445, not there yet.
>>224578963One Israeli politician said that he "doesn't believe in god, but believes in the Jewish people." I don't think people realize the blatant racism in this. He really thinks Jews are superior beings to Palestinians.
>>224577923Sunnis bootlick Israel THOUGH
>>224579111not all Sunnis
>>224579120>gulfiesbootlick israel>nafrisbootlick israel>pakisbootlick israel>islamic statebootlicks israelI guess that leaves us with turks and SEA monkeys?
>>224578866> If anything, I don't think you deserve any of your current success and it should all be taken away from you and given to more pious people.That’s not how the world works bucko, hardworking people get to have a good lifestyle, this is just 80IQ socialism but with a thirdie Islamic twist> portrayed as eternal victims despite thinking they're a superior race because a bronze age storybook told them soThat describes the Ummah perfectly, your ancestors wouldn’t have been Muslim without Ottoman Jannisaries conquering you. Your entire outlook of the world stems from Muslim conquerors imposing their religion in your ancestors, you can’t claim to be le oppressed BIPOC while holding unto a quarter of the earth’s surface to Islam
>>224579120Ok golem
>>224579184Well you're just delusional. What exactly do you mean by hard working? Are you saying that people who suffer the most deserve the most success? Then a Pakistani peasant who works in a brick kiln should be more successful than Jeffrey Epstein. Also, nice "no u" for the second argument.
>>224579184Are you people really so retarded to be living on stolen land that was stolen 80 years ago and believe you earned it "fair and square" by "being a hardworking people?"
>>224577923>where people invoked the name of John and prayed to John for help.does he know???
>>224579476I keep forgetting, Christianity really is THAT SILLY.
>>224579421What's retarded about that?
>>224577923> Imagine if there was a sect of Christianity where people invoked the name of John and prayed to John for help.yeah that’d be crazy, if people started doing that we’d have to secede and create a new form of christianity…
>>224579494It's mostly catholicism though
>>224579516Because if he wants to argue that stealing shit is fair game and that you deserve said shit if you can successfully steal it, then he can't criticize me for wanting to forcefully take said shit back away from him.
>>224579565yeah like the main branch? pretty sure orthodox people do that too. only protestants don't
>>224577711>federation of states with the pope as presidentWhen was this proposed?
what's wrong with idolatry?
>>224577711Not true, the liberals were simply coping and projecting their hopes on pius ix before he chudded out following the 1848
The kike is now quietly seething in his bedroom, realizing that I owned him and that he has no rebuttal.
Now watch him angrily report me for saying kike
I am Fares I am thunder
>>224579606It's like evicting a homeless junkie camp to build a medicine factory, then a junkie mob came back years later to demand "their" land back.
>>224579606I don’t recall Mandate Palestine being a fertile ground filled with cities, desalination plants, high rise offices for Tech companies, beautiful well maintained parks. Ursula the Chadette caused a lot of seething at saying that Israel “made the desert bloom” but it’s true. Jews build, and Arabs destroy. Even with infinite money, Saudis can’t even build Neom or any of their retarded side projects. We built this country up from scratch when there were only a few olive groves and malaria filled swamps, you’ll never admit to this because you can’t even pick up a book, your loss at an edyukaishun is to my benefit in the end
>>224579826I'm guessing you're a butthurt kike. You're basically saying that brown Palestinians wouldn't have technologically advanced the Palestinian land if they were left undisturbed for the past 100 years, but brown Jews would have for some reason.
So shia are catholic muslims and sunni are protestant muslims, I will keep that information in mind and use it to shape my worldview from now on
>>224579895Fuck your pride. Fuck your religion. Fuck your people. It's all meaningless to me. No one fucking needs you. White people don't need you one bit. I don't need you. I plan to build a successful future all on my own, without stealing anything from anyone like you did.
>>224579904Israel already contributes more to humanity than every Arab state put together, look at any science and economy chart bro.
>>224579895"I don’t recall Mandate Palestine being a fertile ground filled with cities, desalination plants, high rise offices for Tech companies, beautiful well maintained parks."Well no shit, it wasn't the fucking 21st century back then. Palestinians weren't some fanatical revisionist movement like Zionists were. Just simple people living on the land they were born on.
>>224579957> portrayed as eternal victims despite thinking they're a superior race because a bronze age storybook told them soLmao of course the seething Balkanoid thinks his people are so noble, bro thousands of your coethnics are currently living off gibs in Germoney. You’re not fooling anyone, we all know that stealing is a proud b*snian tradition. Bill Clinton made a huge mistake come think of it
>>224580007So what? Are you saying that Jews are racially superior? That Arabs couldn't do the same if they tried, despite also being brown like a lot of Jews?
>>224579904>You're basically saying that brown Palestinians wouldn't have technologically advanced the Palestinian land if they were left undisturbed for the past 100 years, but brown Jews would have for some reason. I don't even have to say it to know its true
>>224580023I'm not my nationality, retard. I'm just me. I'm not even Muslim.
>>224580044Well just admit that you think they're racially superior. Stop beating around the bush, kike.
>>224580031yes that's easy to say
>>224579904>You're basically saying that brown Palestinians wouldn't have technologically advanced the Palestinian land if they were left undisturbed for the past 100 years, but brown Jews would have for some reason.We have all the other failed Arab shitholes proving that though
>>224580068im not even Jewish bro but you are wrong thinking its a strictly jew vs pali situation when the truth is its jews with unlimited American financing and intelligence vs the Palis.
>>224580031They're undeniably culturally superior.
>>224580070Well, fine. If you admit that you're racist, I won't argue against your position. I just think it's retarded to think that some Semites are racially superior to others because of their religion.
>>224580177>culturally superiorYou're back to beating around the bush. Atheism is growing in the Muslim world. How is an Arab Atheist society functionally different from a Jewish society?
>>224580235It is growing, that does not mean it is dominant.
>>224580294It's probably gonna be dominant in a few decades. My point is that Jews aren't racially superior to Muslim Arabs, but at most only culturally superior. So stop talking about Jews as if they have some special powers that are inaccessible to Muslim Arabs.
>>224580361Muslim culture is incompatible with a modern advanced country
>>224580361>culturally superiorThat's what I said, you're stupid.Racial superiority is a meme.
Once again, the Israeli and American kikes are seething because they can no longer reconcile their doublethink of thinking they're inherently superior to Arabs while also thinking their superiority comes from culture and not from biology.
>>224580493>Racial superiority is a memeWell, I agree. We fucking agree. WE FUCKING AGREE.
How do we even know if Sunnism is the correct form of Islam. For all we know, Alevism or the Druzes or whichever Quran was burned back then may have gotten it right.
>>224580620There's no way to confirm which version of a fairytale is the "correct" one
Q&A type thread
>>224580620The surviving muzzie sect was most likely the most violent one and thus closer to pedo momo's way of life
The last thing I want to say is this. I don't think you have the right to ethnically cleanse or genocide a people just because they're currently not as technologically or culturally advanced as you, even though they could be and they're also not racially inferior to you.
>>224580647>>224580684Loathe as I am for the way they bankrupted their nation while using the region as their chess pieces in their wars with Israel and the other Arab States, I do have a soft spot for Iranians for being the Hellenic or Sinic equivalent of the Middle East and "Iranicising" everything that comes into contact with it. It's really cool shit. I would say that they, along with the Ottoman Turks, are the two faces of the religion in its history.
>>224580805God, do I suck at English. But yeah, Arabs have just as much potential as Jews, and you shouldn't ethnically cleanse them just because they're currently not as advanced as you. They can and probably will be in the future.
kate hikes
>>224580908Not really, Islam inevitably also causes genetic degeneration thanks to inbreeding. Thus Muslims are truly untermensh due to their culture
>>224581004Jews are also inbred.
>>224581018We stopped with that thoEven my grandparents arent releted and they were born in an arab country
>>224581018https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/inbreeding-by-countryWay less than muzzies
>>224581103>>224581121rates of inbreeding and how inbred you are are not the same thing
>mfw I'm in a retarded nonsensical religion competition and my opponents are Judaïsm and Islam
Will it really take the Israeli population realizing how retarded Judaism and all religion is for them to realize "Yeah, maybe we shouldn't have been so inhumane towards the Palestinians, our fellow humans."?
"Jews are intellectually superior."https://youtu.be/0-w-pdqwiBw
>>224581506Even if we were all atheists, the arabs would still believe this is arab land. Most of the violence is due to a war of opposing nationalities. When will the israelis and arabs unite under a united human banner? Maybe if aliens invade earth, and even that may be unlikely
>>2245796401820–1821 First Italian uprisings (Piedmont, Naples). Some patriots and carbonari circles circulate the idea of a confederation of Italian sovereigns with the Pope at the head. 1833 Ferdinand II of the Two Sicilies proposes a league of Italian states to the Pope, Carlo Alberto, and the Grand Duke of Tuscany. 1843 Vincenzo Gioberti publishes Del primato morale e civile degli italiani. Pope as moral president of an Italian League of sovereign states. This becomes the manifesto of the Neo-Guelph movement.1844 Cesare Balbo publishes Le speranze degli italiani, echoing Gioberti's federal vision. 16 June 1846 Pius IX elected. The Neo-Guelph project gains a living protagonist.25 August 1847 Pius IX sends Monsignor Giovanni Corboli Bussi to Florence and Turin with the draft of the Lega doganale (Customs League), modeled on the German Zollverein. Pius IX as initiator.3 November 1847 Preliminary agreement signed in Turin: Papal States + Kingdom of Sardinia + Grand Duchy of Tuscany. A congress is to be convened once Modena and the Two Sicilies join.Feb–Mar 1848 Revolutions. Constitutions granted. Pius IX initially calls for an Italian war of independence against Austria (the "Holy War").June 1848 Pellegrino Rossi appointed papal minister. His program explicitly envisions a confederation of states with the Papal State as a full member. August 1848 Attempt to transform the dead Lega doganale into a Lega politica (political league). 1850 Ferdinand II refuses a broader league with Austria; insists on an alliance of absolute sovereigns only.July 1858 Plombières Conversations between Napoleon III and Cavour. Plan: after a Franco-Sardinian war, create an Italian (or "Italic") Confederation of 4–5 states, with honorary presidency of the Pope (under French protection). Revives both Gioberti's and Metternich's ideas, but strips Austria of Lombardy-Venetia. Pope as honorary president .
>>224577633idk what all those terms mean
July 1859 Armistice of Villafranca. Napoleon III and Franz Joseph I agree in principle to a confederation under papal presidency, but the "small princes" are to be restored. Cavour, prime minister of the Kingdom of Sardinia and Mazzini, leader of the Young Italy in exile from London both reject the outcome.1860–1861 Unification proceeds on centralist lines. The Kingdom of Italy is proclaimed in 1861. The federal/papal model is permanently superseded.1870 Capture of Rome (20 September). The Papal States cease to exist.
>>224577633Iran's vagina flag will never stop being amusing to me.
>>224581667Honestly, I'm siding with the Arabs. Basically every excuse for collective punishment used by Israel against Arabs can also be used against modern day Israelis, except that we theoretically wouldn't even need to be nearly as cruel as the Israelis were to give back Palestine to the Palestinians. Just use all the AIPAC money to bring all the Jews back to where they came from. It really all is the fault of the Jews who decided to emigrate to Palestine.
>>224579626>yeah like the main branch?In France, yes
imagine being turkish rapebaby op oh wait you dont have to
I really don't like IsraelThanks for reading
>>224581868they have azerx zainichis not turkx but i dont think thats rape
>>224581836So its nothing to do with how we pacify their hostilityYou just want to ethnically cleanse us, which is a logical opinion of whoever supports the other side, just dont be a hypocrite masquerading as le enlightened man. If we would kill them in the rate they killed us when they invaded there would be a million dead arabs
>>224579421>muslim talking about stolen landCool when are Arabs all over MENA going back to Arabia?
>>224578866>muslim talking about genocideMuslims genocided Zoroastrians in Iran, Christians all over MENA, the Balkans and Spain.Blatant fucking hypocrites.
>>224578611>flagdo you even look at yourself? fuckin' hell, christcucks are even more cucked and controlled
>>224581959>when they invadedyou invaded. you started the whole conflict. everything could've been Hunky-dory for you in the west if it wasn't for your religious nostalgia for ancient israel. You jsut had to commit nakba.
>>224581959>ethnically cleanseIsraelis aren't an ethnicity. They're a group of settlers from all around the world. It's not ethnic cleansing to kick out illegal occupiers. Ironically, Israelis are the only ones who committed ethnic cleansing.
>>224582106Your kind invaded the land you retardEverything could have been peaceful in the Middle East if Arabs had stayed in their desert instead of genociding the Levantine Christians
>>224582156>Genociding Levantine ChristiansI don't know about that. But in the Balkans the Ottomans didn't genocide Christians. Bosnians were converted from Christianity to Islam, not genocided. Christians who didn't convert were oppressed but nonetheless not genocided.
>>224582156Lebanon is still 30% Christian.
>>224582209>murdering, oppressing and instituting apartheid (kuffars had way less rights in every sense than muslims) is okay when WE do itYou have no fucking right to complain about Israel, they treat Arab Muslims orders of magnitude better than Arab Muslims have historically treated non muslims under their rule.
>>224582106No, we bought land and succeeded from the brits. And your friends abused us into moving to israel after we lived thers even before islam existed. Israel is a liberation movement for one of mena's minorities which you dont even consider as a distinct group. We are an ethno religion, same as the druze and alawites. Jews were scattered but kept cultural and genetic links with each other. You may not call it an ethnicity so call it however you want.
>>224582264>You have no fucking right to complain about Israel,Why wouldn't I just complain about both? You can't tell me what to do.
>>224582281Then why was ethnic cleansing during the Nakba so essential for you if it was all already "bought"?
قال شيخ ابن تيمية رحمه الله إذا اقتتل المجوس والرافضة واليهود فاحمد الله أن أراح المسلمين من بأسهم، وادع الله أن لا تكون فتنتك في أحدهما.
>>224582284So when exactly have you condemned Muslim imperialism, Arab colonization and their genocide of nonmuslims?Never because you support it. You just dont want to admit it (taqiyah).If you did then you wouldnt be saying that the land belongs to arabs.
>>224582358nigger, I'm not even Muslim.
>>224582358>So when exactly have you condemned Muslim imperialismIDK. Sometimes on reddit. on r/exmuslim there were pictures of Muslims destroying ancient statues and that shit pissed me off.
>>224582368If so then why dont you oppose arab muslim imperialism?Arab go home then?
>>224582299Because the arabs didnt accept our existence as non dhimmis in our own state. We are allowed to secure defendable borders from those who wish to undermine our existance after a peaceful compromise has been rejected by them. They proudly attacked us thinking they would annihilate us and had to bear the price
>>224582345funny looking alium letters
>>224582387Palestinians are literally more native to Palestine than the Jewish settlers. "Arab" is an extremely broadly encompassing term that doesn't accurate describe all the nationalities it encompasses.
sunni troon clitty leaking
>>224582407They are not native. They are the descendants of invaders.The cities of the Levant were not inhabited by people who called thenselves arab prior to the Islamic wars of conquestThe land was inhabited primarily by Christian Hebrews, Greeks and Romans.>inb4 greeks and romans are not nativeThey are exactly as native as Arabs are.
>>224582393Dhimmitude did not exist in british mandate Palestine
>>224582512>we couldnt oppress nonmuslims back under christian ruleNo shitUnder muslim rule nonmuslims have always been oppressed (not a single muslim has ever apologized for this btw)
>>224582393But wait. How do you go from "We're just defending ourselves" to "We're also gonna steal their land"?
>>224582393Why do you need to ethnically cleanse 750,000 people to defend yourself?
>>224582557Sorry for Christians being oppressed by Muslims who aren't me. BTW, did you know that ex-Muslims have also been oppressed by Muslims?
>>224582593>>224582568Taking land from enemies who attacked you adds stratigic depth to protect against further attacks, why shouldnt we?Transferring hostile populations is obvious too.
>>224582670>transferring hostile populationsI.E. collective punishment. So you just admitted that you condone a war crime. Debate over.
>>224582699Its not an international law debate.
>>224582652So you agree that Arabs should return to Arabia and give the lands they have occupied for the past 1200 years back to the natived?Anything else is support for colonialism when its done by an ethnic group you like.
>>224582393Assuming you're even right about this. If you don't like dhimmitude, don't fucking emmigrate to a country with dhimmitude. I'm not gonna emigrate to North Korea out of my own whim, not follow their rules, and the ethnically cleanse half the population because the country tried to attack me. You're acting like Jews had no choice but to invade Palestine.
>>224582734Well if you think you can just commit whatever warcrime you want then I'm not gonna stop you.
>>224582783If you dont like the way Israel treats Gazans (infinitely better than dhimittude) just dont emigrate to the Levant.You speak as if the Arabs had no choice but invading the Roman Empire
>>224582750No, I really do think that Palestinians are genetically the closest to ancient Israelites.
>>224582824Palestinians didn't emigrate anywhere. They were already there for centuries and then Zionist settlers showed up.
>>224582824"infinitely better than dhimmitude." I don't remember the ethnic cleansing, theft and destruction of homes in dhimmitude.
>>224582824>>224582911It certaintly wasn't happening in Serbia and Bosnia during the ottoman rule
I make too much sense for these two degens.
>>224582699>collective punishment is a war crimeMuslims commited collective punishments against nonmuslims all the time. But you dont complain about that ofc.From Abd al Rahman III executing 100 random Spanish Christians to cheering crowds of Muslim invaders because a priest publicly said that Jesus is God, to random people, even non jews, being killed in 2023 by hamas to cheering crowds. I remember several Thai migrant workers died back then and Arabs supported that and cheered.Any crime you say that Israel has commited, Islam and Gazans have done worse. So why you support the Gazan war criminals? It's obviously due to ethnoreligious solidarity, which is fine, but dont pretend you are principled.
>>224582783I meant my family lived under islamic rule a few hundred km from here, they were subject to the wims of the rulers. their christian neighbors are probably somewhere in the west while we could stay in the area thanks to israel.>>224582911All of their property was nationalized when they escaped.>>224582816No,but some measures are needed to avoid civil war and further violence. It happened all over the world when nations formed at that time. India, czechia, poland
>>224582911Spanish Christians were genocided in Southern Spain, freakThere are records of Christian nuns being boiled alive for the "crime" of showing crosses in public. By the time Granada was liberated, not a single christian remained in the city.That dhimmitude
>>224583034No, I do condemn all that. I hate Islam.
>>224583056>Some good came from IsraelOkay. But at least half of Israeli settlers were white Jews. There was no good reason for them to emigrate.
>>224583056>Ethnic cleansing is sometimes necessaryI'm done with you dude. I've had enough
>>22458307299.8% of Gazans are MuslimsThey support the genocide of nonmuslims.
>>224582750Israel was established one human lifetime ago. There are Palestinians who witnessed the Nakba who are still alive. I absolutely support giving Palestine back to them. These two things are not comparable, assuming you're even correct about this.
>>224582750BTW. Why does every Jew have a right to "return" to Israel, but victims of the Nakba don't? hmmmm?
>>224583126Jews moving to a different place = invaders and settlers (despite the fact that Jews already lived in the Levant when the Zionist movement started)Muslims moving to a different place = refugees and migrants
>>224577923>Imagine if there was a sect of Christianity where people invoked the name of John and prayed to John for help.That's mainstream christianism lol
>>224583278Whites ruled parts of Africa for up to 500 years. I guess then its not colonialism anymore and blacks had no right to oppose them?Or foreign occupation suddenly stops being foreign at some arbitrary point between 500 and 1200 years?Or are you just a hypocrite who loves Arab colonialism?>>224583310I couldnt care less about Jews.I'd rather the whole region be governed by atheist secular republics in which people of all ethnic backgrounds are respected.My point is that's never going to happen under muslim rule.
>>224583355>Jews moving to a different placeNothing wrong with that, honestly. But how about Jews kicking you out of your own country, inhabiting your stolen land, and calling you and your first generation of children terrorists for demanding you give it back?
Muslims explicitly want to opress and genocide nonmuslimsYou cant claim to oppose genocide while also supporting the establishment of an islamic theocracy which openly supports murdering and torturing civilians just because they are not muslim (just like literally every single muslim government ever).
>>224583401No, it is colonialism, but I'm not gonna demand white south Africans get kicked out of South Africa because the land was stolen a few hunded years ago.I don't love Arab colonialism you schizo.
>>224583407Jews migrated legally to the Ottoman empire and legally acquired land.When independence from the british empire happened, the Jews supported the 2 state division propised by the UN. Muslims rejected this, went to war and lost.How exactly are muslims the good guys here? I dont see it. They literally started a war to genocide people who had migrated there. If you sat that migration is fine, then why was it "stealing" when the jews migrated to the Ottoman empire?Literally everything you say is so biased. Its incredible.Just be honest and say that you feel uncomfortable with the idea that muslims started this conflict.
>>224583401I don't think Israeli rule is better than Islamic rule. I think both Muslims and Zionists have a facade of being civilized which hides the fact that they want to establish religious totalitarianism.
>>224583467Ok so Arab occupation of the Levant is colonialism but you dont want them kicked out?Fair enough, I agree but then the claim that Arabs are natives falls flat.
>>224583510Was the Nakba "legally acquiring land"?
>>224583546The war was started by Muslims who wanted to exterminate the Jews in the region, something that you shouldnt be ignoring.Regardless, you cant use the change of borders past the 1948 war in order to claim that the existence of an independent jewish state as per the un 2 state solution was illegitimate.
>>224583530Are you saying that Palestinians who lived in Palestine in 1947 were descended almost entirely from Arabs who ethnically cleansed Palestine of its native population a few hundred years ago?
>>224583407Arabs were the ones to initiate the violencehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots
>>224583530>>224583628When did Arabs commit ethnic cleansing of Palestine?
Why are they so based?
>>224583628>whites in Africa are colonialist, white man go home>arabs outside Arabia???? Emmm that's not colonialism, because it just isnt, okay!LmaoYou can claim you arent muslim but you constantly downplay the ways in which arab muslims historically and up to this day commit attrocities against others.You are insanely biased at best.
>>224583759>white man go homeI don't agree with that>Arabs outside ArabiaI literally don't think that modern Palestinians aren't native to Palestine. I literally think they're the population closest to ancient Israelites, even more than most modern Jews are.
>>224583709When they persecuted, opressed and exterminated the Christian population of the Levant ever since their occupation started.Examplehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Aleppo_(1850)Are you actually going to claim that nonmuslims were treated equally as muslims by muslim rulers?
>>224583835What I'm asking is what's your proof that Palestinians aren't native to Palestine?
>>224583835And if Palestinians aren't native, then who is? Jews from elsewhere?
>>224583835Who actually has the most right to that land? Certainly not a Jew from Poland.
Muhammad genocided the nonmuslim tribes of Arabia and Muslims regard him as a perfect manIeIslam suppirts genocideEvery Muslim believes that nonmuslims should be murdered. Every muslim supports colonialism, imperialism, war crimes and genocide as long as its from muslims to nonmuslims.Muslims believe in the verse of the sword which states that peace between muslims and nonmuslims is impossible.Not a single majority muslim country today respects human rights, is a full democracy or gives equal rights to people of all religions and ethnic backgrounds.Muslims want to genocide jews in the Levant for the same reason they genocide Sikhs in Kashmir. Yet you cant claim that Sikhs arent native there. The whole "zionism is colonialism" thing is a lie (taqiyah), a justification post-hoc, when in reality for them its just about murdering nonmuslims. If there was no argument that jews were the natives, muslims would still want to murder them, just how they want to murder native nonmuslims everywhere.
>>224583942Jews and Phoenicians.Jews belong there. If they dont then from where are Jews native to? Where did Jews come from?They are not native to europe.
>>224583759"You are insanely biased at best"Nah, I think I sound more like Noam Chomsky than an Islamist. https://youtu.be/5AJlfW0g2rk
>>224583996Who's more native to South Africa?A white boer or the grandchild of a South African black who moved to the US?
>>224584056"Jews belong there"What Jews? Judaism is a religion, guy. Do Khazarian Jews belong there as much as Mizrahi Jews?
>>224584097Unironically the boer.
>>224584097well, not native. But the black kid has no right to go steal the house of the boer
>>224584159What right did Muslims in 1948 have to reject the 2 state partition and invade cities which had been majority Jewish since Ottoman times?
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