being ruled 800 years by moroccans is insane lmfao
>>224767860Lepanto.
>>224767860Not as insane as kicking out all of them and then inviting them back in for no apparent reason.
>>224767860
>>224767860From 800 years to 800 Moroccan oil oligarchs in charge of it.Fucking abrahamcucks.>>224767880Literally who?
>>224767860>>224767901Mehmetada histórica
>>224767860The basque region as well the northern part of the country was never ruled by Moors>>224767901Nafri are Muslim and are poorer. Those 2 distinctions are enough to segregate them into different countries and communities to avoid conflict and trouble, even if they may look alike.
>>224767860It seems you don´t grasp easier concepts. 700 years just in 1 city (Granada).Most of Spain had zero muslims (it is just a political map). Most of Spain removed the few muslims that lived in the main cities (never in rural areas) in 200 years.We cleaned everything, did an Inquisition,blood purity tests, and we also removed the few that remained in 1609.We are the best at cleaning a land.
>>224767920By Christ King's grace we annihilated Muslim navy that day, o algo
>>224768003viet monke has spoken
Spaniards are catholic Nafris.
>>224767860Sucks to be you
>>224768121Why the statues?
>>224770171You are a literal nafri
from a Civilization rivaling (even at times besting) meds to whatever north africa is today. that region might have had the worst fall off in the history of mankind. all thanks to Islam and arab invasions btw. same arabs they worship today
>>224767860cool post Kumar
>>224768121The number of Arabs and Syrians after the battle of bagdoura in Spain was 15,000 in 742, in reality you guys kicked out your own countrymen that had converted to Islam.
>>224770830There was always inflow from abbasids and maghreb actually but yes majority was just iberian muslims or hafus.
>>224770830These are the muslims from AlAndalus. Nothing to do with northafricans. They were basically whites. That moroccoans try to believe that they ruled Spain is extremely stupid.
>>224767901
>>224771252There were Berbers in Andalus but they were mostly a military minority, there was not enough numbers nor a desire to demographically replace the Iberians that lived there, now the Moravids and Mohads did rule Southern Spain for a whole until the 13th century and the Nasrids were said to be originally from Morocco.
>>224771540You are replying to kebab vendors
>>224771540>that close to the countries that were part of the western Roman provincesWow, it's fucking nothing!>still far away from pure white countries (Scandinavians)Cope more, brownoid iberian.
>>224771006There wasn't, only Tunisia was connected to the abbasids. Morocco and Algeria had their own dynasties at the time separate from baghdad with their own capitals of Fez and Tahert, Algeria itself was ruled by berber dynasties until the 16th century.
>>224768164Hey, they won against the US, you should learn from their wisdom.
>>224771540What is this supposed to prove? Spaniards are Southern Europeans with some Moorish and Arab input, nobody says otherwise.
>>224771252modern spanish monkeys don't even look like that so i doubt it's supposed to be accurate and it's more like retarded medieval illustrators using stock characters
>>224771765They won against South Vietnam, America had a 1 to 10 kill death ratio in Vietnam.
>>224767901Ok, Germanon, next time spend your holidays at Morocco instead of Spain.
>>224771742>pure white countries (Scandinavians)>>224771742>close to the countries that were part of the western Roman provincesLike Mauretania Tingitana?
>>224767901trutnuke
>>224771828The cantigas de Santa Maria used a lot of vivid descriptions by questionable chroniclers and many of these scenes were reimagined from a western european pov, the clothing however is mostly and is still worn today in Morocco and Algeria.
>>224771903Mauretania Tingitana was a Roman diocese ruled from Italy, go ask Meloni in Rome about it.
>>224771586'we removed all the muslims''there were no muslims''it was a short 200 years actually''they were never the majority just in the cities''the christians never interacted with them actually'This guy is huffing weapons grade copium
>>224772046They interacted with them plenty on the battlefield
>>224767860I want to take a DNA test to know my roots and probably it would be like 80% italian/spaniard but maybe north africa also appears and that is why i'm avoiding it
>>224772155Hopefully they cut their dicks off
>>224772046I agree, Spanish ultranationalists on 4chan tend to be a bit delusional, not all of them of course.Through my favourite are the ones who claim to be 1000% Visigoth.
>>224767901LMFAO
>>224772232They used their visigothic powers to will the moorish essence away.
>>224767860The Umayyads were not Moroccans. The Banu Qasi were not Moroccans. The Taifas were not Moroccans either. The only Moroccan dynasties were the Almohades and Almoravids and they ruled very shorty, very late into the Reconquista, and only in the south. They were also invited by the Taifas when they were getting their asses kicked, which in turn happened to them too (Navas de Tolosa, etc.)
>>224772390What do Spaniards have to do with the Visigoths?
>>224772410Let them larp as Almanzor and Averroes. It's all they have
>>224772390>>224772264Well you niggas pretend to be either arabs or tamazigh but y'all are just mulatto niggas product of the trans-Saharan slave trade and look more like random favelados in Brazil than like Arabs or Meds.
>>224772046>'we removed all the muslims'True. Recent studies published in Genome Biology confirm that the expulsion of the Moriscos almost completely dismantled the "genetic bridge" that had formed in the south and east of the peninsula, reverting the Spanish DNA profile to its pre-711 state.https://www.anthropology.net/p/cemeteries-of-disappearance-how-genomics
>>224772434A lot, considering they ruled Hispania for 3 centuries.
>>224772543Even their king looks mulatto, lmao.
>>224767901kek. they really do be like fr.
>>224772543Seriously, imagine saying Zidane is related to the scum that invaded Ceuta. Not all berbers are the same
>>224772543I don't larp as a Berber, i am an ethnic Berber from an old tribe (Ait Ammart).The Gothic LARP is strong in Spain however even through for the first 170 years of rule they were Arians and not Catholics until Reccared converted to apease the locals.
>>224772585I guess Indians and Anglos also have plenty to do with each other by that logic
>>224772626>Even their king looks mulatto, lmao.And on top of that, a drunk with piss-stained trousers and a faggot who fucks rent boys.But his subjects don't have the balls to drag him out of his Paris mansion by force and shove his luxury car collection up his ass.
>>224772626Yeah the Alaouites suck donkey dick, what's new? Juan Carlos did cry a lot when his "big brother" Hassan ii died.
>>224772207that is likely. the study mention in thus link by chud says the spanish settlers that came here were moors >>224772545
>>224772701Indians don't claim Anglos as the origin of their country.Guess what spanish nationalists do online?
>>224772545Look bro, I could say more on this but to me it’s just someone in the mud running his mouth. Continuing this back and forth would only mean getting dirty myself and saying >>224772155 things I don’t usually support or really thinkHave a good day
>>224772849But it is true that the Visigothic kingdom is the origin of Spain. That doesn't mean that they literally believe they're ethnic Visigoths, whatever that means
>>224772434>What do Spaniards have to do with the Visigoths?The little that remains of the Visigoths survives only in the Spaniards (however small it may be).
>>224772923That's like saying ancient Mauretania under King Bocchus or Bogud is the origin of Morocco.
>>224772434A lot.Reconquista was centered around the idea of the Lost of Hispania. Leonese, Asturian and Castilian chroniclers thought the degeneration of the Goths led to a divine punishment (as in the Bible) in the form of an infidel Saracen horde from the East which conquered the kingdom. And the restauration of the kingdom at the hands of a Goth from "royal bloodline" as the chronicles say, Pelagius, son of the Duke Favila.The Reconquista was not in fact a crusade, to start with, the Crusades were declared by popes and were centered around the idea of 'Dilatatio Christianitatis' developed by English and Frankish friars. While Reconquista was a Spanish "Sacred History" narrative that justified both the fall of the Visigothic Kingdom and its future restoration as part of a divine providential plan, a narrative that permeated all of Spanish society, from chronicles to epic literature and society at large.Asturian/Leonese and Castilian great men were of "Royal Gothic bloodline" in the Epic Poems, Gothicism as a whole was a narrative that permeated all of Spanish society, from chronicles to epic literature and society at large.
>>224772931True. You are all invaders. Romans, Visigoths, Moors
>>224773009You never had a Reconquista. The Spanish kings claimed the right to rule from the Visigoths. Your civilization was essentially reset with Islam
>>224772845i have unibrow and thick eyebrows and those are typical north african features i think
>>224773013>Reconquista was centered around the idea of the Lost of Hispania.Lvsitanians have always been the most sane people in the peninsula
>>224773128>LvsitaniansLusitanian is not the same as Portuguese. Don't try to appropriate Viriathus again.
>>224773075Meh, not really. As i said before we defeated the umayyads decisively at Bagdoura and have more or less Independent since then, Idris was a refugees that fled the Middle-east after the battle of fakhkh in 786 and was used by the Awraba Berber tribe as a unifying pole to found their new state under the guise of Islam.The later Moravids, Mohads and Marinids were other berber groups who ruled under the guise of Islam as well.
>>224767901Quite ironic coming from a Deatchlandnistan citizen
>>224772931A lot of Gothic stuff actually survived in Castile.Indeed, in his studies of both Castilian customary law (*fazañas*) and Castilian epic poetry (such as the *Cantar de Fernán González*, *Cantar de Mio Cid*, *Cantar de Roncesvalles*, etc.), Menéndez Pidal noted the strong influence of Gothic law (including ordeals) and tropes derived from Germanic heroic cycles, mixed with the predominant Latin influence of the basal population of Castile.Let us not even speak of the abundance of Germanic first names and surnames so prevalent in Castile and León (and thus, in almost all of Spain): Rodrigo, Urraca, Alfonso, Ildefonso, Guzmán, Rodríguez, Enrique, Enríquez, Álvaro, Álvarez, Ramiro, Ramírez, Gutierre, Gutiérrez, Godofredo, Gonzalo, Alberto, Bernardo, Fernando, Fernández, etc.
>>224773218We have the strongest claim. Sorry
>>224767901its funny how new world hispanics come in defense of spaniards with stuff like these because the implication would be that their raped population wouldn't be "white"
>>224773096North Africans have very low body hair. Typical Med body hair is of Anatolian (ANF) origin and in turn they got it from the hunter-gatherers in the Caucasus (CHG). Unironically confirmed by genetic studies, and because southern Europe and parts of Turkey have most of these ancestry that's the reason why we are so hairy. Ironically they first discovered this by studying the EDAR mutation that gives east-asian such low body hair.
MOORberians shockedFrARYANch rocked
>>224773128Portugal was a county of León. The fact it lacked of a national ideology comes from the fact that Portuguese kings came from a lesser branch of Leonese royal family so their claims over As a whole, only Catalonians and Basques developed their own ideology independent from the whole Gothic stuff. Catalonians because they were a French 'Marche' so they did not feel connected in any way to the Visigothic Kingdom of Toledo; and Basques of Pamplona (in the Codex of Roda) who developed an ideology centered around Romaness which later on evolved into Tubalism, ie, they were the natives of the peninsula and everyone else was an alien outsider.In any case, by virtue of its antiquity, strength, influence, and epic quality—and grounded in Roman law—the Neo-Gothicist ideology was the most successful and widely accepted, both across the peninsula and throughout the continent. The reason why the Pope recognized Castile's religious primacy over Spain following the reconquest of Toledo.
>>224773401Malmo has fallen... We did not rape like you , Ahmed, we married our amerindian allies in holy matrimony. This is not about white or not white. It is about debunking jewish lies. It is about justice.
>>224773256Godofredo is such a rare name to hear nowdays
>>224773506>so their claims overThe primacy of the peninsula were not possible at all as long the Leonese were around. Even more so after Sancho III of Pamplona conquered Castile and León, and claimed a shared Cantabrian heritage back to the wife of Pelagius.
>>224773453>MOORberians shocked>FrARYANch rockedSure, Ibrahim. I can cherry pick too.
>>224773401I find funnier that the pope considered Castile to be more Gothic than Sweden thus Castilian cardinals got to sit closer to the pope than Swedish.
>>224773581Why do you think we somehow care about how you look in comparaison to the frogs? France itself blamed it's cultural and demographic degradation on spanish immigration before the Maghrebis and blacks.
>>224773506We were favored by God (and the Pope)
>>224773743You were favoured by Yhwh the Bedouin god who was originally worshipped by Northern Arabs?
>>224773506Castilians are still the most delusional people of the peninsula, I see
>>224773743>PopeThe only trvke in that post, only Portugal and Cataluña ended under papal theocracy.
>>224773700>Why do you think we somehow care about how you look in comparaison to the frogs?Tell that to the frog that came up with that pic.>>224773700>France itself blamed it's cultural and demographic degradation on spanish immigration before the Maghrebis and blacks.Another Varg victim...
>>224773807And Jesus
>>224773853The brown Jew from the Middle-east who died nailed to a cross and failed all of the prophecies required for a messiah?
>>224773839Where's your founding document? Nueva Planta decrees? The Catholic Monarchs' marriage certificate?
>>224773899Your prophet is a plagiarist and a pedophile. Berbers were better as Christians
>>224773849No i literally looked up the reports of French politicians at the time, Spanish immigration was semi-accepted but overall was seen as problematic to French demographics, Coluche pointed that out in an interview in regards to Portuguese immigration versus Maghrebis or black.
>>224773899>The brown Jew from the Middle-east who died nailed to a cross and failed all of the prophecies required for a messiah?And who will come to judge the living and the dead... you, too. You'll see.
>>224773945Muhammad's achievements: Toppled two empires.Jesus's achievements: Was a crazy unpopular rabbi that died like a bitch on a cross that crazed crosscucks still proudly wear.
>>224773994Isn't slandering Isa ibn Yussuf haram o algo?
>>224773994>Muhammad's achievements: #1 zutt gangbang star
>>224773992Nobody and certainly not Jesus the kike, your religion is a bad joke.
>>224774026> Relies on hadithsMeanwhile Jesus was zutted by the Romans and that's actual facts.
>>224773994He had the best hypeman. His followers would later conquer many empires, including the greatest that ever existed
>>224773994>Muhammad's achievementsHe hid in a cave while his followers died fighting the Meccans. Muhammad had no achievements, he committed numerous evils such as murder, genital mutilation, slavery, rape. >But Jesus!I'm not a Christian, all the Abrahamic cults are false.
>>224774086I know, Paul the murderous incel kike. And you Iberoids bought at base value instead of seeing it for the bullshit it was.
>>224773911Castile?, the Testament of Sancho III (written around 1032-1035). We never needed such a document, for we never required papal approval—much less submission to pontifical theocracy—to legitimize ourselves since the confirmation of Castile as an independent kingdom was a priviledge given by the king of Pamplona. When Sancho III of Pamplona divided his inheritance among his sons, he granted Castile the status of an independent kingdom as a gift to his eldest son, Fernando I; the latter, after marrying Sancha of León, bestowed the kingdom upon his son Sancho II.
>>224774086Jesus was an invention of Paul for all we know
>>224773817>Castilians are still the most delusional people of the peninsula, I seeCope
>>224774165Castile started as a county of Léon, same as Portugal
>>224774143He was an identitarian, a sort of semitic nationalist of you will. His number one goal was to remove Persian and Byzantine presence from what he believed were the lands of his ancestors since time immemorial, a lot of the later hadiths were made by Persians to cope with their empire being toppled by bedouins.
>>224774149Why do you follow a cheap copy of Christianity?
>>224774212Whatever happened here?
>>224774237>Why do you follow a cheap copy of Christianity?>Why do you follow a cheap copy of Judaism?Fixed.
>>224767901It do be like that, spaniards just hate the religion that nafris follow it wouldnt be an issue if they were christians
>>224774237I'm agnostic, i personally believe that all religions are man made and that miracles do not exist.That being said, Islam within the given context makes far more sense than christianity which was started by hellenized Jews like Paul or Peter.
>>224774215Pamplona conquered Castile and made León a puppet state. It became an independent kingdom because Sancho III of Pamplona split his domains among his sons, that is how Castile was born as an independent kingdom.As a county, Castile was indeed a leonese county founded by Fernán González during the X century. A rebelious one according to leonese chronicles and the very Cantar of Fernán González. Leonese demanded that the Castilians travel to León for legal disputes, citing the Visigothic *Liber Iudicorum*. Exasperated by this, the Castilians appointed two judges to govern the territory and adjudicate disputes according to Castilian customary law (*fazañas*); it was within this line of judges that Fernán González—of Visigothic lineage—founded a county in the true sense of the word, quite autonomous in regards to León, but part of the kingdom as a whole.
>>224774330>I'm agnostic, i personally believe that all religions are man made and that miracles do not exist.See? Another useful idiot working for international Jewry without even knowing it. Good goy.
>This ThreadLmao, another day of Pacos falling for bad bait
>>224774281The Jewish messiah was killed by the Romans. Jesus conquered Rome. Rabbis have been coping and seething ever since
>>224774408>Lmao, another day of Pacos falling for bad baitGo back to your childish cartoons, Wilson. And get out of my country...
>>224774400Of course you Iberoids can't do anything, you have to wait for outsiders, whether Visigoths, Franks, Habsburgs or Bourbons to make you do some shit.
>>224774277A bourgeois rebellion against the landlords and the monarchy. Not different from other bourgeois uprisings such as the Wat Tyler rebelion in England, Cromwell rebelion in England, Étienne Marcel rebellion in France, etc.
>>224774446Nah Im comfy here with my IMV Paco, thx for the free house and my paguitas, by the there is 800.000 more of us thx to Sánchez, and there is 2.000.000 more comming.
>>224774165>for we never required papal approvalSo you were never officially part of Latin Christendom? Interesting
>>224774481Says the guy from a country in which everybody claimed to be made up by purebreed Arabs until French taught them there were pre islamic ethnicities living there.
>>224774528Don't get too comfortable. If our history proves anything, it's that sooner or later, rivers return to their course.
>>224774529>So you were never officially part of Latin Christendom? InterestingHispanic clergy was quite independent from Rome prior to Gregorian Reformation.
>>224774497I don't have with me right now but there was a letter he sent to Byzantium about how he was the descendent of Abraham and thus had far more claim to the Levant and Mesopotamia than the Greeks did, other stuff about him being bethrothed to multiple women were later written 200 years after his death and possibly inspired by the life of zoroaster.I'm on a phone so i'm somewhat limited to what i can post right now.
>>224774481>HabsburgsThat's us
>>224774579>Says this while being conquered by moors LMAO
>>224774405Do you honestly believe that a man can turn water into wine by simply touching it? Are you that stupid?
>>224774642I’m sure some shortsighted donkey back in the 9th century also thought Spain was lost forever.
God, I miss the (supposed) Anglo-Canadian with a Spanish flag who shitted on Spain a few years agoSometimes I feel like I see him post again but I'm never sure if it's the same guy
>>224774591The Visigoths converted to Catholicism in 589. That's the year delusional Spaniards claim Spain has existed from
>>224774553Morocco still has Berber speakers to this day, meanwhile the only people in the Iberians peninsula speaking a pre-roman language are the basques.
>>224774688>Do you honestly believe that a man can turn water into wine by simply touching it? Are you that stupid?A man...
>>224774704It was a bad time for allhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatus_of_Li%C3%A9bana
>>224774642Esto pasa a diario en Barajas, eh.
>>224774672Napoleon would've done the same if he could, any man would've. The greatest thing a man can accomplish is if his name is still remembered thousands of years later.
>>224774720Because it did.For under feudal law, the Kingdom of Asturias was, in fact, the continuation of the Visigothic Kingdom.The relocation of the Gothic court from Toledo to Oviedo—prompted by the disaster against the Arabs in Guadalete—was no different from the relocation of the Gothic court from Toulouse to Toledo following the defeat against the Franks two centuries earlier in Vouille.
>>224774704Yep I bet our commie dictatorship thinks like (You), soon those moors will be here in the Peninsula and the average Paco will pay for It.
>>224774720Reccared converted to catholicism because of pressure from the local hispano-roman clergy, there are some sources that claim he was still a crypto-Arian.
>>224774831But that Spain is not the Spain of today
>>224774706Very based guy
Stop bullying Spain
they're still worshiping them too kektheir two soccer teams are gigacucked, BLACKED and MOORED
>>224774797No te olvides de cataluñya
pope keeps em cucked too, kek!
>>224774831Tariq was not an Arab and neither was his army, he was a new converted client from what is now Algeria, in fact his success in Spain worried Musa Ibn Nusayr who thought he was being overshone.
>>224774892Where's Romania?
>>224774931They will soon speak árabe in alcatalunya o algo
>>224774931Cierto, los sudacas también venís por el Prat.>>224774948Eso son pakis, mexichango.
>>224774939That's nothing new https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Ottoman_alliancehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Moroccan_alliance
>>224774944Aryan brothershttps://desuarchive.org/int/thread/207745666/#207745750
>>224774972>PakisSon lo mismo
>>224775011
>>224774972Te noto alterado Paco, respira por la nariz.>>224774906LMAO
>>224775033Spain is 100% farmer
>>224774954Yes any man would, even you. If tomorrow you could claim to be a prophet of God and have millions follow you and exalté your name, would you be against it?
>>224775092So they're a pure race?
>>224775025Nah, los pakis son mucho peor que los moros, son básicamente poojeets musulmanes, Moroluña está a reventar de pakis y a los Jordis les encanta.
>>224775110A pure race of nafris!
>>224772923yeah, visigoths had no impact on the iberian genetic mix, to few to make any changeand i agree with the example of the indians in the uspopulation matters, not land
>>224775139For shure
>>224774877Our monarchy can thrace its origins back to Pelayo. And Pelayo was elected by the counts in a council, following the custom of the Goths.>>224774940He renamed himself with an Arab name, fought for an Arab empire and adopted an Arab religion. In what world is not that an Arab.
>>224775139Incorrect
>>224775025No los halagues.>>224775066Estoy tranquilo esperando a mi Glovo.
>>224775181>Our monarchyKeked
>>224775205 >>224774528
>>224775251Sigues siendo un barrilete andino de metro cuarenta, doever.
>>224775138Ya veo, los jeets musulmanes son repartidores pero los nafris te venden algún reloj por la calle o juegan fútbol
>>224774836>Yep I bet our commie dictatorship thinks like (You), soon those moors will be here in the Peninsula and the average Paco will pay for It.It’s thanks to spineless wimps like you who watch childish cartoons that Sánchez is president and is filling the country with Moors with total impunity. But spring will laugh again.
>>224775286Eso no me quita el IMV Paco.
>t.
>>224775293When is the next election? How would the average Spaniard react to Sanchez getting Yamagami'd?
>>224775181Ethnically speaking he was not Arab, after Hassan Ibn Nu'man defeated Dihya in Tabarka in 703 he requested 12,000 Berber warriors to be enlisted under the umayyad name, he was the leader chosen by Musa to lead an expedition across the strait but overstepped his boundaries and directly fought Rodrigo in Guadalete instead of mere raiding.
>>224775293Nothing is stoping You of going out and killing Zánchez and those ultra low IQ moors, oh wait, You're a spineless wimp.
>>224775293Don't worry, Based Abascal will fill the country with Latinos instead on top of becoming bffs with Israel. God i cannot wait until Vox gets elected.
por que los panchitos nos odiais tanto? nosotros no pensariamos en vosotros si no tuvieramos que soportar vuestro olor en via publica>>224775336next summer, he will put them when people are on vacation so that fewer people votesadly, even when he is very unpopular, most of his haters are still cucked, but i guess that this is more or less the same in all the west
>>224772046notice how you can't disprove any of those points
>>224775336>How would the average Spaniard react to Sanchez getting Yamagami'd?That would be the worst thing that could happen to Spain, our communist dictatorship would treat him like a martyr, and we would have another 20 or 30 years of the far left in power.
>>224771586Idiot. Spain was NEVER muslim and was NEVER ruled by islam. 90% of Spain had no muslims (don´t believe in the maps). Muslims (a 5%) just existed in Cordoba-Granada-Merida-Badajoz and few other major cities). The maps just show summer razzias to the north. Most people even in Andalucia NEVER EVER saw a muslim in the 700 years presence. >>224771828Those miniaturas were painted also by muslims. Those muslims were not nafris but either syrians,persians,lebanese or local converts. PUre white people. Nafris now are mulattoes because islam started to enslave blacks from the XIII century on.Hay q ser retrasado para ser mexicano y defender a moros antes q a españoles, basura.
>>224775502Mejor búscate un trabajo Paco
>>224775357>Ethnically speaking he was not ArabRacially in any case. Ethically he adopted largely the stuff of that characterized Arabs. Plus many Berbers faked their genealogy to claim coming from purebreed Yemeni bloodlines.
>>224771953Questionable what??? They did not have a problem painting muslims in how they looked like. They did not care about "racial" issues in 1200s. They only cared about religion, so the depictions are 100% accurate.>>224771999It was ruled by MERIDA (SPAIN).>>224772207Millions of Spaniards don´t get "northafrican" on DNA test. I score 100% European. And the northafrican is not arab or muslim is neolithic Iberian DNA that crossed to northafrica and it is labeled as "northafriacn".
>>224775502Moors were the urban intellectuals, the coastal elites of the era. The average Iberian peasant just wanted to be left alone. Of course they would side with the northern christians to not pay the jizya
>>224775502You're right, my bad. The moors just decided to make a stop in Granada and not advance any further for 700 years, mea culpa.
>>224775563I know that but in any case he was not an ethnic Arab and nor were the emirs and caliphs of cordoba who were mostly autosomaly Iberian, the Arabs themselves had their Homeland occupied by Kurds, Turks and Mamluks for over 1000 years before the Arab revolt.
>>224775623Moor was an exonym that Christians gave to all Muslims. It didn't distiguish between Berbers, Arabs or Iberian converts. Muslims called all Europeans Franks, regardless if they were French, English or German
>>224775502Actually, that's a partial true. During the first 3 centuries of Muslim occupation, most of the population was still Catholic. But the migration of the Mozarabs to the North and the priviledges that only Muslims had turned Andalucia and Valencia into mostly Muslim areas.In any case, that does not matter because Arabs tried to erase all the pre-islamic past elements. Changed the names of the cities, rivers, mountains and even tried to rename the peninsula from Spain to Andalucia.
Also this >>224775701Castilians, Leonese, etc., called Muslims moors, even Muladies who were converted into Islam Spaniards.
>>224775195>more similar to Iraqis than Swedesand ibermoors will tell you they're whute
>>224775701No, the word "Moor" has a clear origin dating back to antiquity since the times of King Baga, the Arabs were designated as saracens in the chronicle of 754 and were distonguished from Moors who they claimed spoke a form of African Romance , now not all Moors were from Morocco just as not all Punics were from Tunisia. It generally meant North Africans.
>>224775618>Moors were the urban intellectuals, the coastal elites of the era.Muslims were also a military elite since they forbade Christians to carry weapons and stablished as living in castles garrisons in the countryside ruling over Mozarabs. Many cities such as Cuenca, Siguenza, Madrid, etc., were founded as garrisons from where control the border and the Christian peasants.
>>224775810Swedes aren't whiteBen Franklin said it, not me
>>224775623Do you really belive that millions of moros sailed to Iberia in the 700s? If even today you sink in the mediterranean waters. Most Spaniards NEVER saw a muslim in their whole lives because 90% of Spaniards lived in rural areas and it took 1 week in a donkey to reach to the capital where a 5% of muslims lived. Even in Andalucia just 8-10 villages have something "muslim" in the chronicles but 95% of the villages of Andalucia have zero muslim buildings or chronicles saying anything about muslims.https://i.4cdn.org/int/1789572671956045.png>>224775738No, no. Even in the Abderraman III chronicles he says that he was mad that he did not even control Granada or Cordoba and that he has to go to do raids in the outskirts of Cordoba to capture or kill christians.
>>224775817It comes from the Roman province of Mauretania
>>224775896Alright, if that makes you feel any better.That being said you're right, the army that defeated Rodrigo and claimed Toledo was the size of one Roman legion 5,000 to 7,000 men at most.
>>224775831They needed a military if they wanted to control those cities. The majority of the population still resented them
>>224775916Before Rome actually, even if the Moors themselves were somewhat unknown to the Romans prior to the Jugurthine war. The same Romans wrote that we had stone buildings and advanced agriculture and olive production.
>>224775831No, read about the Farfanes and Reverter. During the rule of the Moravids christians could enlist as royal guards and be allowed to carry weapons to defend the Emir. Reverter even established a church in Marrakesh with his own pig farm and could fight alongside Moravids forces carrying his own christian banners, that tradition continued under the Mohads, Marinids, Wattasids and Saadis but was dropped by the Alawis.
>>224776124I talk about Spain as a whole, the Muslims even forced Christians monks to provide lodging for Muslim travelers, banned them the chance to build new religious buildings and stuff like that.There is a reason why Christians mass scale moved to Asturias, and why Asturias became so powerful in a very short time. The Mozarabs (Christians living in Andalucia) left Andalucia to live in León and Castile, bringing with them their literature, ideas, etc.
>>224767860dont care i LOVE spain and you will never make me hate her
>>224776255Asturias didn't exist anymore as an independent polity when the Moravids crossed the strait and fought Alfonso VI in sagrajas, the Mozarabs were still semi-tolerated by the "umayyads" and the taifas and to some extent the Moravids as well until the Mohads took over.
>>224775317obvio ragebait sudaquín, demasiado obvio
>>224776427Asturias never stopped existing as a whole, it was the Leonese kingdom since the only change was the change of the capital from Oviedo to León.In any case, I will read what you said, said so, the papers I did read were centered about the Ummayyad policies toward Christians, not about North African empires.
>>224767901I saw a "nazi" rally in Spain and they were literally all brown lmao. Not a single white person. Spain really is brown as fuck.
>>224776822> Asturias never stopped existing as a whole, it was the Leonese kingdom since the only change was the change of the capital from Oviedo to León.Yes it took a different name, i don't know if it was like what happened when the wattasids broke from the Marinids or if it was a whole new dynasty.Also and that's a personal caveat from me but i would day that philosophy did flourish under the Mohads and particularly under Abu ya'qub yusuf which was in Stark contrast to how Abd-al-rahman iii treated Ibn Masarra and his followers.
based turk baiting these retards
Modern day Iberia is a Anglo construct, having been firmly under their thumb is Vitoria.
>>224776947We're having real discussions here
>>224776916>Yes it took a different nameI am not that shure. When kings signed the documents, they did not said stuff as "Leonese kingdom king", they signed as kings of cities and provinces, for examples: Alfonso II, king of Toledo, León, Segovia, Asturias, Cantabria, etc.Today terms such as Leonese kingdom of Visigothic kingdom of Toledo mostly answer to the tribalistic nature of Spain in which every city and village thinks itself as the center of the world and totally different from everybody else.>Also and that's a personal caveat from me but i would day that philosophy did flourish under the Mohads and particularly under Abu ya'qub yusuf which was in Stark contrast to how Abd-al-rahman iii treated Ibn Masarra and his followers.Wasn't Maliki school was the backbone behind Andalucian intellectual spring?
>>224777078>tf>tp
>>224777203The Almohads were Zahiri, they wanted to use Aristotlean philosophy to counter Al-ghazali and requested Averroes to write commentaries on Aristotle to use that as an argument against the rigidity of malikism as well, well until the battle of Alarcos in 1195 where Al-mansur who was the son of the aforementioned caliph had to please the hyper-orthodox Andalusian Ulama by excommunicating Averroes to Lucena and burn some of his books.
>>224777356Why were the Almohads so weak against Portuchads?
>>224777456They defeated Moortuchads in several naval battles as well, also his successors later launched punitive expeditions against Portugal so we were even steven.
>>224770498the berbers have no achievements
>>224776785>>224775317
>>224777656We were fighting pharaohs n shiet when your ancestors didn't even know of a world beyond their designated pond.
>>224777759we defeated romeyou fell to rome, france, arabs and the spanish. today you will eventually fall to blacks and even lose your genetic legacy
>>224777646Who would win?>The Caliph wanting revenge for his father and a 12000 strong army>300 caralhos on a wall
>>224777791Since when did Britons ever defeat Rome?! We literally were instrumental in their defeats in Trebia, Trasimene and Cannae and slaughtered the cream of the crop of Arab nobility in the battle of bagdoura.
who caresits been over 600 years let it go already
>>224777942THX for the bump
>>224777848I doubt he had that much but in any case he did raid into Portuguese territory and take portuguese captives.
>>224777956yw bro
>>224777885the romans had three (possibly 4) invasions of scotlandall failed within one generation and the severan invasion resulted in the death of one emperor
>>224777975Unarmed peasants. I see a pattern emerging with the barbary pirates
>>224778019yes thats what pirates dopirates harass civilian stuff, theyre no match for an organized enemy
>>224777942>its been over 600 years let it go alreadyyour country still arrests people over an 80 year old failed genocide
>>224777994I read about those, that was because Scotland at the time was kind of a shithole, the tribes there used ambushes and disease to fight off the Romans, at some point they just said "fuck it" and built a wall to keep your ancestors out.That being said you did not defeat them, at least not in the way "we" did.
>>224778019You did the same in Morocco btw, a lot of unarmed people were captured by the Portuguese. But anyway "il corso" was practiced on both sides of the pond and was somewhat legal actually, it was a legitimate way to wage war.
>>224778111They were the Picts. The classic naked barbarians with blue paint all over their bodies
>>224778111>because Scotland at the time was kind of a shithole, tyes. invade a "shithole" three times for no particular reason.100,000 roman soldiers in total died attempting to conquer scotland>>224778111>at least not in the way "we" did.yes, just waiting until the empire collapsed in the west
>>224778168Source? Regardless, we were sanctioned by the Pope to reduce all muslims to perpetual slaveryhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanus_Pontifex
>>224778187I know, the Angles and Saxons were very xenophobic towards them.But they did not defeat Rome, they were just kept out to keep to the Italic colonists safe from any future raids.
>>224778241I know disease is very powerful, a lot of French soldiers died in Algeria because of disease.Also, we did indeed reach the walls of Rome and helped Geiseric snack Rome in 455.
>>224768121Spics be like>We got ruled for 700 years by 10 berbers and arabs on top of their mule from accross the sea, they raped all 5 million visigoths that lived at the time then retracted back to tarifa and went out at night to violate another village, for 700 fucking years accross 90% of the peninsula so that means andalus was fake
>>224778302Angles and Saxons only migrated to Britain after the fall of the Empire
>>224778358a single roman quote identifies "disease" as the issue but that contradicts how all the severan forts were systematically dismantledso in short they were buckbroken or gave up due to lack of progress
>>224778395What don't you understand about the word Reconquista?
>>224778257> Source? Your own source actually and maybe because i'm lazy and on a phone and i don't want to look it up.> Regardless, we were sanctioned by the Pope to reduce all muslims to perpetual slaveryWoah that's evil, at least we had the decency to free the slaves if they accepted the everlasting light of Allah.
>>224778441>at least we had the decency to free the slaves if they accepted the everlasting light of Allah.Same if they accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior
>>224778397And they encountered the picts when they arrived there, what you said doesn't contradict that.
>>224778475Fascinatinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dun_Nechtain
>>224778414Ok cool, now name one battle where the picts defeated the Romans like what Arminius or Jugurtha did.And i doubt that number really, in reality i believe it was 10,000 Romans that perished.
>>224778428This revisionism of "muslims held 4 forts in the south that they used to islamize more than half of iberia" only makes you look pathetic, you're not diminishing the exploit itself, quite the opposite since you're making it seem like it was 100 people manhandling an entire subcontinent. This is basic logic and you should all organize to drop this cope
>>224778469Yeah but i read about what you guys did to the Hindus of Goa as well, that was some nasty stuff and they call us barbaric...
>>224778395It is not the Visigoth who gets raped, it is the Visigoths who rapes.- Pelayo Zu
>>224767860Spain has the most prettiest women on earth. It's hard to uproot any invaders once they settle
>>224778544No one is denying anything. Moors fought between each other as much as Christians didAl-Andalus went through many different dynasties. It wasn't a unified state from 711 to 1492, which is what these posts imply. After Navas de Tolosa, Granada was a tributary state of Castile. After the battle of Rio Salado, it probably would have been conquered within a decade. You know what saved it? The Black Death
>>224778640You must talk from experience given Arabs totally replaced ancient Egyptians remaining only Copts.
>>224778649Your post is totally unrelated to the chain of replies you're replying to, cease replying to me>>224778672Nope egyptians are still mostly the same genetically, you're just some syrian or moroccan coper who thinks that without islam his kin would "still" be type IV civilization blue eyed blonde gigabeasts
>>224778672The son of Saladin
>>224778672They're the same today as they were back then, some 4,000 Arabs in Fustat isn't going to change the genetic legacy of 5 million Egyptians.
>>224778716Cease being a butthurt faggot
>>224778649Rio salado was a night attack on Muslim civilians, very dishonorable.
>>224778772It was a literal invading army. What is this cope?
>>224778731Funnily Copts HATE Arabs for murdering their kind and settling the Nile with their own kind. One of the main anti-Arabic scholars I know is a Copt who is proud as fuck of his Egyptian roots.
>>224778783Didn't they attack at night?
>>224778817They should then explain why the byzantines started to persecute the shit out of them before the Rashiduns stepped in, maybe it has to do with their miaphysite faith which was considered heretical by the church and we all know how heretics ended up.
>>224771765If sucking up to the USSR then having a 1 to 20 kill death ratio on your own soil by people literally an ocean away, getting so hooked on the gosplan that they crawl to the IMF after the USSR collapsed, and on top of it all having the Chinese invade you years after the conflict resolves is winning I'd rather lose.
>>224778819So did Vlad Tepes
>>224778817Everyone hated Arabs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shu%27ubiyya
>>224778858>byzantines started to persecute the shit out of themThey did not.Egyptians loved the Byzantine rule.Arabs mass scale murdered them.And to this day they wanna appropiate Copts heritage.Actually ""Egypt"" still lives from Copts historical heritage. Nobody would visit it if was not for the Pyramids and the Grecoroman stuff.I can not tell a single Medieval or Modern monument there people visit.
>>224778817They got raped, no amount of xitter screeching will unrape them
>>224778886And you call us dishonorable, pff.
>>224778929Stop rewriting history they literally did, Byzantine rule was hell for the churches of the Middle-east until the Arabs stepped in, even in NA the byzantines were so bad that the christian Berbers begged the Rashiduns to invade.
Muslims from Al-Andalus used to refer to Arabs as "mere camel experts" and Averroes thought that people from Al-Andalus were racially superior to Arabs and Berbers.
>>224778934Not even, they were allowed to keep their faith under a new tax which wasn't that different than under Byzantium, i agree that Turkic warlords may have abused the copts but overall they kept their church intact which would not have been if byzantium still ruled.
>>224778966It's called an ambush. You know it well
>>224779020He never said that
>>224779037We faced Don sebastiao on an open field, the speed of our horses outmaneuvering the arquebuses.
>>224779044Not Averroes, but you get a pretty good idea of how Andalusians felt about Arabs
>>224771742>simping snowniggers
>>224779084You also had Ottoman janissaries and English cannons
>>224779106>some random 20th century revisionist
>>224779129You had Flemish, German and Spanish mercenaries on your side.The Ottomans didn't even help, they just watched from afar and later went back to Algiers.
>>224779136https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Gharsiya
>>224779178Does this seem fair? We got zerg rushed
>>224767901hello turk. go back to asia.
>>224779243>Still replying to me with unrelated shitBe a good boy and and stop embbarrassing yourself, i'm not interested manuelo
>>224779243He was a muwallad.I think he just seethed about Arab rule because he believed Arabs were Bedouins who buried their daughters in the désert as per the Quran and the hadiths.Obviously, the Arabs had far more ancient civilizations than both the Goths and Iberians, i can think of Qedar and Lahyan.
>>224779267You know Morocco was kind of fractured at the time? I doubt the sultan had over 60,000 men, much less 100,000 even.I'd argue both sides had more or less the same numbers but 100,000 men is definitely an exagerration, the Saadis could not field that much.
>>224779314I can think of nothing. They were just nomadic tribes before Islam. The Islamic Golden Age was mostly because of Persians
>>224779366If they had "more or less" the same, we would have won
>>224779382You're wrong to think that, they had civilizations and dynasties reaching all the way to Anatolia like the Abgarids or the Nabateans, even king Herod who ruled over Jesus was an ethnic Arab who's ancestors converted to Judaism.
>>224779414With those tactics you used? Doubt that.Alcacer quibir itself was just Carrhae 2.0 and ended just like Carrhae as well.
>>224779382This cope is beyond outdated>98% of scientists with traceable lineage are arabhttps://digital.csic.es/handle/10261/220590Here comes the>fabricated lineage to match inferior arabs lineage !cope
>>224779488Persians were the brain. Arabs were the brawn
>>224779488Well he's not wrong in that case, of specifically talking about the Arabian peninsula places like Iran and especially it's civilizational outskirts like Afghanistan and other stan countries outshone Arabia and the rest of the Muslim world in terms of scientific output.
>>224779540Actually, Turks were the brawn. Arabs fell from power over a thousand years ago.
>>224779540Whatever helps you sleep at night>>224779548Wrong, the entire middle east was a scientific hub for a decent chunk of abbassid rule, and arabs provably outdid everyone throughout all of andalus existence
>>224779646Have Arabs done anything since the Mongols buckbroke them? They found oil in the 50s and 9/11
>>224779745The Mongols buck-broke Persians and slavs, they barely even touched Arabia.
>>224779812So was Baghdad not Arab?
>>224779851The name "Baghdad" is persian, it was put in place by the Persians Banu musa.Obviously, it was "multicultural" many races of people lived in Baghdad.
>>224773401You have it backwards. Brown thirdies are the ones claiming Spaniards are brown so they can feel like they're on a similar level to Europeans.
>>224779745Not the best flag to make such posts under
>>224780081What?
>>224767860I don't get it, if Muslims ruled Iberia for that long and mixed with iberians and converted iberians to Islam and turned them into arabs and all that then surely we would become moors and muslims right?So, If that was the case then why did we have a reconquista at all? Why would some moors fight for Christianity?I'll answer that for you. The iberians fled north and secluded themselves until they got moors expelled out of iberia. Unlike turkey that is still Islamic until this day.Now since you are a turk you should know that turks were not originally Muslim. The fact that you are Muslim should tell you are colonized by raped by Muslims. You are in fact Arab. This is why you don't question it, it's inherent to you.
Interesting. Bump.
>>224778672Egiptians look like their ancient faroahs, unlike sp*cniards like you who are brown, bald and hook nosed baggy eyed arabs nothing to like the celtic hispania dwellers of roman times lol, mutt cuck pendejo de mierda
>>224779982Baghdad is an old babylonian word bag-dadu, it was in the past scattered towns along the tigris then rebuilt into the round city by by al-Mansur and heavily influenced by then still-existing babylonian architecture. There was the name bag-dadu since 18th century bce. most of its inhabitants were nabatean arabs of iraq, chaldeans and arameansDont let yourself get oneshot by historical revisionists.
>>224767860>i will never be a black bull in the Abīd al-Bukhārī prancing around Barcelona wearing nothing but speedos and babouches like picrel having hairy midget proto latinx women twerking their fat babboon asses infront of me begging me not to kill themmy life is a JOKE
>>224784699are you negro?
>>224784989HELL no but being a ghulam under the moors sounds a lot cooler than being a mexican like you
>R : 300Nuke this board
