>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious Thread:>>224707109Previous Challenge:>>224707155
AIslop translation challenge - Disappearance>EasyI woke up early one morning and noticed that the house was completely silent.I called my brother, but he didn't answer.I went outside and saw that the streets were empty.There were cars everywhere, but there was nobody inside them.At first, I thought that everyone had gone somewhere without me.>MediumI walked through the neighborhood for almost an hour, but I didn't see a single person.The strangest thing was that everything seemed completely normal, as if nothing unusual had happened.I entered a small café where the lights were still on and found a cup of coffee sitting on a table.Since the coffee was still warm, I began to suspect that whoever had been sitting there had left only a few minutes earlier.I decided to follow the road toward the city center, hoping that I would eventually find someone who could explain what was happening.>HardThe longer I walked, the more convinced I became that the disappearance had not happened by chance.When I reached the city center, I found thousands of phones lying on the ground, all displaying the exact same message.Although the message contained only three words, I immediately understood that it had been written for me.I spent the next several minutes trying to convince myself that there had to be a rational explanation, but every explanation I came up with raised another question.Just as I was about to leave, one of the phones suddenly rang, and I heard my own voice on the other end telling me not to trust anyone I met.
>>/lang/ inpoot torrentsDid that anon ever say how he obtained/made those? Did he find a source that already had the films with multiple language tracks, or did he add them?
>>224798608>Overexercising just backfiresIt's muscle memory, they DO practice for far more than 2 hours per day but that's on theory and listening to music and the like, their actual muscle practice using said instruments is 2 hours because they're training their muscle memory and with fatigue you can introduce new flaws that weren't there before.And musicians typically practice far more than two hours a day when they're starting to learn, this would be taking a c2 near-native level and asking them how many hours a day they study.
>>224801044Obviously musicians are going to spend a lot of time listening and thinking about music but the research shows almost certainly no benefits past 3.5 hours a day and probably little to no benefits past 2 hours.In SRS (or anything else) there's no benefit to overlearning. If you learned a word there's no point in spending any more time on that word for a while. In language learning there's tens of thousands of words each having a variety of complex contextual meanings and usages all of which need to be reinforced repeatedly over a long period of time in order to stick. In music (and most skills really) there's 12 notes and a limited set of movements. You simply hit the overlearning threshold very quickly.
If I could go back and change one thing I did when learning Latin, it would be to not use the premade anki deck for familia romana (which is individual vocab only) and instead to make a card for each new sentence, since while new vocab at my current stage is easy to accumulate, the biggest difficulty is just random syntactic stuff that, in spite of all the rereading of FR i did, I just never got a firm grasp on. Basically, I think sentence cards that happen to have 1 new word beat vocab cards, since if you grade on sentence level comprehension you’ll get a ton of syntax drilling.
>>224801636>Overlearning thresholdIt's literally not this, there's a limit to muscle memory learning. I've said this already, they introduce mistakes and said limit to their muscles. Fatigue introduces a higher chance of failure, which makes muscle memory worse - you remember the mistakes and you're more likely to repeat them.>Research shows almost no benefits past 3.5 hours a dayFor what, specifically? Be specific here, and what is a "benefit" for something that's an artform? What is practice? What actually, like actually describe what you're talking about instead of making vague statements.
>>224802273My problem was the opposite, that I can remember the structure of sentences and guess the meaning from there but the individual vocab is much more difficult.It's just that you created a blindspot that now you have to correct. Individual vocab will always be the hardest part of every language, but once you get the vocab down you start wondering if it would have been better to do other things.It's not, vocab is the number one thing that improves comprehension and if you don't comprehend something basic like individual word meanings you won't be able to understand syntax, either. Vocab should be instant, in fractions of a second, so that you can dedicate your thinking to other things.In the early stages new vocab will be "easy to accumulate" but the speed is greatly increased by drilling it, and in later stages it's hard to find that new vocab and your retention is improved by drilling. There's really not any stage where new vocab is bad except c2+.
>>224798608>if you aren't spending 6+ hours a day every day for years on end you're never going to get to a high levelIs this really true, guys??
>>224803117No
>>224802635Your arguments are fair, and it’s probably exactly what you say, that our different approaches created different gaps, but for what it’s worth in my current latin reading experience I find very often that I’ll know literally every word on a page of an author and feel quite lost. I think for Latin specifically, the relatively smaller core vocabulary (but with a normal-sized long tail) and the syntactic density of the language is the culprit.
>>224803117For me it was like 2+ hours a day or it was joever and I was just dabbling, I didn't really see improvements until I started doing at least 2 a day. 6+ is unnecessary unless your goal is to become a hypergenderous polyglot.2 hours per day for a year gives you 600 hours, which is half way to fluency in a cat 1 (if your study methods are good and not passive meaningless slop.)>>224803901Yeah, sounds about right. I think over time language has become more deliberate and direct to communicate with more people.
>>224799119Aš pabudėjo anksčiau rytų ir rado kad namas buvovsas tylįAš skambėjo mano brolį bet jis ne atsakytiAš ėjo lauke ir atrodo kad gatvę buvo tuščią Ten buvo automobilis visur, bet niekas viduryje Pirmas, aš galvoju kad kiekviena ėjo bet kur be manęs
>>224784632I'm a user of Dreaming Spanish with now a little over 600 hours of input between videos on DS and other channels, and podcast audio. I still focus on content geared toward learners, because I think that's the most efficient for gains, but I feel like I'm at the point now where I could probably enjoy certain documentaries or other videos about history that are not intended specifically for Spanish-learners. Either way, my understanding is getting better slowly but surely. You absolutely can achieve a lot just by "passively" watching and listening to content.>>224798608This is (anecdotally) highly dependent on the individual. Chopin (IIRC) told his students to practice only two hours a day. Paganini practiced long hours every day. The Russian cellist Rostropovich practiced relatively little, but his contemporary Daniil Shafran (maybe the second most famous Soviet cellist, but less known outside the USSR) practiced for several hours a day. I know in my case that although I never became a professional musician, I got pretty good at the cello when I started taking it seriously and started practicing for 2, 3, 4 or more hours every day.
>more people speak hindi than spanish>more people speak bengali than portuguese>more people speak urdu than german>more people speak marathi than italian>more people speak telugu than turkish>more people speak gujarati than polishwhy haven’t you taken the indiapill?
it insists upon itself
>>224805914Because I want to be as far away from Indians as possible.
Do any Spanish niggas here also speak Catalán? Would you recommend it to foreigners thinking about learning it. I heard it’s very similar to Occitan and I find that language really pretty
>>224805914Because the only reason I don’t want that putrid subcontinent to detach from Asia and slide into the abyss is because then a lot more of them would migrate here. Unless it was some atlantis style event that left no survivors.
translated morrowind into my tl with deepseek and the results are nb
For some reason just now realizing that I don't always have to push myself and struggle to read/listen to things that are just at the edge of my understanding. I can just consoom easy things and enjoy it.
>>224806726>>224807035that’s not very nice or inclusive
>>224807929Okay, and?
>>224799119.>FácilMe desperté temprano una mañana y me di cuenta que la casa estaba completamente (en silencio). Llamé a mi hermano, pero no me respondió. Fui afuera y vi que (las) calles estaban vacías. Por primero, pensé que todo el mundo había ido a algún lugar sin mí. >LeichtIch stand früh ein Morgen auf und [ich sah dass] das haus [ganz] still war. {ran out of space}[I don’t know how to say notice in German, or completely]>Media dificultadCaminaba por el barrio por casi una hora, pero no vi a ni una sola persona.La cosa más extraña estaba que todo parecía completamente normal, como si nada inusual sucediese. Entré una cafetería pequeña en que las luces aún estaban encendidas y encontré una taza de café restando sobre la mesa. A debido que el café aún estaba caliente, empecé sospechar que quienquiera había sentado ahí había salido hace solo unos pocos minutos. Decidí perseguir la calle hasta al centro de la ciudad, esperando que eventualmente encontrase/ encontraría a alguien pudiese/ podía explicar lo que estaba sucediendo. >DifícilLo más caminaba, lo más convencido volví que la desaparición no había sucedido por casualidad. Al llegar al centro de la ciudad, descubrí miles de teléfonos restando en el suelo; todos mostrando el mismísimo mensaje en exacto. Aunque el mensaje contuvo tres solas palabras, inmediatamente entendí que él se había escrito para mí. [Gastaba] yo los siguientes varios minutos intentando convencerme que tuviese ser una explicación razonable, pero cada explicación que inventé levantaron una pregunta más. Justo al salir, uno de los teléfonos [había recibido una llamada] de repente, y oí mi propia voz al otro lado diciéndome no confiar en nadie que conocí. *(Shamelessly looked it up)IPhone autocorrect also helped. [I know gastar can mean to waste time, but can it mean to spend time without tje negative nuance?][I don’t know how to say ring.]
>>224805349Well that still shows a massive difference in time investment for language learning compared to other skills. A lot of people have the false impression that if they take a few classes and practice 30-60 minutes here or that'll be enough to get them somewhere meaningful the same way one learns woodworking or something.
Bonjour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP9vHyj-dHYGood morning, /lang/oids.
>>224807738>nb¿No bueno?
>>224812054>>224812092Good evening.
>>224807903A good strat is doing both and switching between them, strain yourself with something hard, then relax with something easy, and repeat. Also works well with two languages of different levels.
>>224805914If you can even call them "people".
https://archive.org/details/seglarmaneFirst 88 episodes of sailon moon dubbed to Swedish. Because Serb anon needs more input matrial and who doesn't like magical girls?
>>224812386>who doesn't like magical girls?Eh, I'm more of a shounen guy, but I'll give it a shot. Thanks.
>>224812386> who doesn't like magical girls?Me. Magic is cheating at life and sorcery is a sin.
>I arrived in Italy in 1981 with barely a word of Italian. My strategy for learning the language was simple. Each afternoon, between my morning and evening teaching, I spent three or four hours in Verona’s main public library reading novels and writing down every word I didn’t know, every syntactical structure I wasn’t familiar with, then trying out what I had learned in conversations with my long-suffering wife.I suppose the 21st century equivalent would be watching hundreds of hours of dubbed Sailor Moon
>>224812590>equivalentNo, Sailor Moon would be the superior method
>Test subject is Testobjekt in German. Interessant.
>>224812637Now I want to torrent all the ita dubbed Precure seasons to try it out!
>>224812673That seems to make sense, more than the English use infact, because the test "subject" is the Object of said testing, being himself the one to whom the action of testing is directed.
>>224812416The entire swedish pokemon dub is also on youtube if that's more you're kind of thing. They have all the dubs for western languages up on youtube on the official channel if anyone is interested, there's everything from Spanish to Polish.>>224812637True. Magical girls makes everything better.
Do you have a FORBIDDEN INPUT? An input that is just too far out of reach that - in present circumstances - you will never be able to enjoy, at least in its unabridged form if not at all?Here’s mine:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-2qiIwO1wwWhat’s yours?
>>224813176That was almost impossible to understand with all the music over it.For me it's Legend of the Galactic Heroes, the Anime is such soulful kino that I wanted to read the books and it took me weeks to learn enough to get through the character introductions and the first sentence is more kanji than punctuation holy shit.
>>224813816Have you tried reading the script at your pace?
>>224814704own pace*
>>224813816>Hey there's a book?! Cool maybe I should read it.... That's a lot of reading material. Well was it any good? I might toss the first book on top of my next order but buying a massive boxed collection like this is a bit much.
>>224814704>Have you tried reading the script at your pace?Thats what I'm doing, I might finish prologue by the end of the year.>>224814736>Well was it any good?I'll let you know in a few years when I read them..
>>224815388Oh, I thought you were just using the subtitles, which can work; a bit tedious though. Just depends if you have a mind for the grind.
>>224815521To clarify: I am talking about the books, I finished the Anime (1988) using the subs, which it being such kino lead me to want to read the books
>>224815591Oh, okay. How much does the text of anime differ from the magna?
>>224815857It's not a Manga, it's a serious of novels and from what I've seen so far they seem similar.
>>224816113Similar, yes, but I wonder where the differences arise. Doch ich muß schlaffen; gute Nacht. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtp6O8L2VlQ
how good is leo joyce 's Thai?https://youtu.be/0DVrEKzzYEQ
>>224805914here's your indianhttps://theprint.in/pageturner/excerpt/stabbed-70-times-in-court-why-the-women-who-killed-akku-yadav-were-hailed-as-heroes/1690479/
>>224809942That's true, but contrary to the first poster's point, playing a musical instrument isn't a good example of an easy alternative to learning a language. I have about 600 hours of Spanish input under my belt, mostly during this calendar year. Now I can understand a lot more than when I started, but I'm still at a rudimentary level compared to a native speaker. If someone started playing piano and put in 600 practice hours, whether in that same span of time or spread over multiple years (most beginners don't practice for 3+ hours a day), they're still in the beginner stage and not very good compared to a professional pianist. Elite conservatory students will probably have several thousand hours minimum under their belt before they enter the conservatory. But here I'm talking about playing an instrument at a high level. You can learn how to play some chords on the ukelele and have fun accompanying your singing in a much smaller amount of time. Maybe the linguistic equivalent is learning some basic grammar and phrases, so you can ask where the bathroom or the train station is.
I'm interested in how fast/how people here acquire new vocabulary so I have a few questions:>what's your TL>what would you estimate your current level to be in your TL>what media do you consume (literature, TV/movies, podcast etc)?>what methods/tools do you use to learn new vocabulary? >how long does it take/how many times do you need to see a new word for you to feel like you've actually acquired that word?for me it's:>russian>mid/high B1 for reading>reading 95% of the time>sentence mining + anki>not sure how long it takes, but I usually need to have the new word in anki for a few months and then naturally encounter it like 3-5 times while reading, unless the word is derived from a word I already know
Bump>>224817601>what's your TLGernan and English>what would you estimate your current level to be in your TLA0+? for German and, idk, B1? B2? for English. My output is much worse than the input >what media do you consume (literature, TV/movies, podcast etc)?German: Nicos Weg, Pimsleur if that counts as input, random thing on ytEnglish: reading books with audiobooks in the background, I also watch movies, series, yt mainly in English >what methods/tools do you use to learn new vocabulary?Anki, Language Reactor for German, audiobooks and books for English + premade anki deck for spelling only>how long does it take/how many times do you need to see a new word for you to feel like you've actually acquired that word?It varies. Sometimes it sticks in my head right away, sometimes I have to use some funny mnemonic or look at the word intensively, and sometimes nothing works and no matter what I do, I can't remember it.
I make no progress lmao
>>224817601>what's your TLAncient Greek, Hebrew, Latin>what would you estimate your current level to be in your TLNo CEFR for Latin and Ancient Greek, but I'm very proficient in Latin and a bit less so in Ancient Greek; I have a degree in Classics and have published articles concerning the languages. My Hebrew is A1.>what media do you consume (literature, TV/movies, podcast etc)?Latin and Ancient Greek: I read classical literature and listen to podcasts.Hebrew: I watch TV shows and read a bit of the Bible.>what methods/tools do you use to learn new vocabulary?Latin and Ancient Greek: Purely through reading.Hebrew: Anki, FSI vocab lists, and I sometimes write down idioms or phrases that I find interesting in my journal.>how long does it take/how many times do you need to see a new word for you to feel like you've actually acquired that word?Latin and Ancient Greek: Usually just once or twice. I can usually make either etymological or semantic connections with words I already know, which helps with retention.Hebrew: 3+ times because, being a non-IE language, there are fewer connections I can make, but it takes fewer instances if I happen to know a phrase related to the word. For example, I was able to remember the word for "head" (רֹאשׁ) immediately because of the holiday Rosh Hashanah (רֹאשׁ הַשָּׁנָה), which is literally the "head of the year."
>>224819943Same lol
Fuck.. I want to make progress SOOO badly, it hurts.
>>224805343>Aš pabudėjo anksčiau rytų ir rado kad namas buvovsas tylįAš atsibudau ankstyvą rytą ir pastebėjau (pajutau feels more natural here), kad namie buvo visiškai tyluanksčiau ryte = earlier in the morning, ankstyvas rytas = early morningrasti is closer to find than to notice (from DLKŽ: "ràsti, rañda, rãdo 1. ieškant, stebint aptikti, pastebėti" / To find or notice something **while searching or looking for it**)Namas (loc. name) does mean house, but "at home" (namie) works better in this context>Aš skambėjo mano brolį bet jis ne atsakytiAš šaukiausi (savo) brolio, bet jis neatsakėSkambinti means to phone (to call with a phone). Skambinti also uses the dative: skambinau savo broliuiWhen the subject and the possessive pronoun refer to the same thing, you use savęs (savo, sau, save, etc.). Tavo brolis, tu skambini mano broliui (=you are phoning my brother), tu skambini savo broliui (=you are phoning your brother)ne is treated as a prefix (neatsakyti) unless there's a contrast (ne atsakyti, o tylėti)>Aš ėjo lauke ir atrodo kad gatvę buvo tuščią Aš išėjau lauk (laukan, į lauką) ir pastebėjau, kad gatvės buvo tuščios (gatvėse buvo tuščia).ėjau lauke = I was walking outside. Išėjau specifically means "[I] went out"gatvė buvo tuščia = the street (singular) was empty. Gatvesė buvo tuščia = it was empty in the streets. Note the stress difference between tuščià (feminine nom. sing.) and tùščia (neuter/bevardė giminė)
>>224805343>>224822888 (cont.)>Ten buvo automobilis visur, bet niekas viduryjeVisur buvo automobilių, bet nieko nebuvo viduj (niekas juose nesedėjo).As a general rule: in Lithuanian and many inflected languages (so this probably applies to Russian and Polish and ect. learners too), if something is obvious from context, you can (and most often you do) omit it. There's no need to say "ten visur...", because the location was already established in the previous sentence. Nor do you need to say "mano brolis", because it's obvious from the context that it's your brothervidurys means in the middle, inside is vidusautomobilių because of dalies kilmininkas/partitive genetive >Pirmas, aš galvoju kad kiekviena ėjo bet kur be manęsPirma (iš pradžių) aš pagalvojau, kad visi kur nors išvyko be manęskiekvienas = every, visi = everyonebet kur = anywhere, kur nors = somewhere (kažkur could also work here)
korean niggas be like >아니 여러분 진짜 근데… just start your fucking SENTENCE
>>224819943>>224820720>>224821884But you are making progress friends. As long as you put in your hours every day you'll make it. A language is a million and one small things that all have to fit together and a lot of them are simply too small too notice in the moment.
>>224825915I know but it's too slowwwww, I need to progress faster
I cannot for the life of me say 말들
>>224812378shut up božo, the people making fun of indians today were the same people calling slavs subhuman decades ago
>>224828177You should check out the india general on /gif/, they really seem like a different species. Even blacks from Africa make fun of indians for their lack of hygiene, lack of situational awareness leading to looney tunes accidents, retarded religious rituals, throwing trash everywhere... the "elite human capital" that crosses the oceans isn't that much better either.
>>224803117i heard someone mention this but had to use llm to get the name, not rewriting it>The woman you are thinking of is the renowned Hungarian polyglot and translator Kató Lomb, who stated in her famous book Polyglot: How I Learn Languages that the average learner needs a minimum of 10 to 12 hours a week of study
>>224817601ChineseA2 listening, low A1 reading, 00 writing, probably A1-ish speaking but I haven't practised enough to have a good idea.Largely kids shows or occasionally the news or 今日说法 which is a non-fiction show about crimes or legal cases.Anki and my constant lookups while watching those shows.Really hard to estimate, I feel like it can be anywhere from 5 to 20+ so I'm just gonna say an average of 15. >>224828425I'm kind of shocked to see Serb being racist. He always struck me as considerate and being above the typical 4chan-esque character.
>>224829237I also hate w*men and other minorities, Jordanians in particular.
>>224829578I passionately hate euros in general and slavs in particular
>>224830023i passionately and emphatically love race-aware euros and slavs
>>224829237He struck me as inconsiderate before, but he's winning me over now
>>224829237>4chan-esqueHey retard guess what imageboard this is
>>224799119Dhuisg mi gu moch aon madainn agus thug mi toighe air a cha bha duine air a bheil an taigh sàmhach gu tur.Dh'fhònaig mi mo bhràthair, ach cha do fhreagair e.Chaidh mi a-muigh agus chunnaic mi a bheil na stràidean fuar falamh.Bha càraichean a h-uile h-àite, ach chan eil duine annta.An toiseach, saoilidh mi a bha a h-uile daoine ag rach àit-eigin às m'aonais.
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>>224831686they're not indian and they're not aboriginals which skews the averages to within acceptable human-like parameters for me in that suspiciously titled image you attached
>>224813116Reposting here since I posted in wrong thread. Also to add, I see people using Anki but that's just flash cards with vocab. Is that a standalone thing or used to supplement actual lessons?
>>224832904If you don't know the alphabet you should learn that first. It's not hard at all, start by writing out the cyrillic letter and it's sound next to it on a blank piece of paper, repeat that for like 2 hours and it should be decently ingrained in your mind. Anki can be used for just about everything, there's much debate in language learning community on how you should make your cards, take a look at some anki videos by mattvsjapan and you'll get a decent overview. As for the learning order I did alphabet -> watching a video about basic russian grammar (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsXTwDr1NtQ) just to get an overview, then I started reading graded-readers and progressed from there. You might wanna get familiar with the basics of russian phonetics, such as vowel reduction (unstressed o is pronounced like a) and г (g) is pronounced as в (v) in the endings of adjectives or in certain words like eгo and ceгoдня etc.
>>224834108What graded readers did you use?
>>224834193olly richards short stories in russian, it'll give you a good foundational vocabulary. After that I read the first two harry potter books in russian but I found them boring so I started reading russian-translated manga instead (squid girl, azumanga daioh, bocchi etc) until that became too easy, after that I moved on to russian-native literature (read some strugatsky and now I'm currently occupied with war and peace).
