Can they understand each other?
why do you care? honestly
>>224958140slavs are unironically closer connected than swedes and norwegians
>>224958172stop following me around creep
>>224958140no
i dont want to understand bulgarians
>>224958168>fecalian having an allergic reaction to knowledge Kys
>>224958240Even written?
>>224958624i only understand some written russian
>>224958140only Belarusian and sometimes Ukrainian (but much less). Other languages have some similar words but not enough to understand the meaning
>>224958140Bulgarian somewhat but the others nothing except some basics.
>>224958140No, I can understand Serbocroatian, but I only picked that up through contact with their language and culture (since they are 30% of this country)
>>224959676>(since they are 30% of this country)Must be cool to taste some spice in your food for the first time.
>>224959294curious. I thought slavic languages didn't derive so much from their common "ancestor" as much as the languages from the other branches did
>>224959714eh, while a lot of your food is middle eastern in origin, you don't use different spices than we do, except for paprika, that was not a thing in Slovenia before YU. Čevapi, sarma - would you call those dishes spicy? it's just salt & pepper.
>>224959889I was making a joke bro... You know the brown cope about how destroying the countries they immigrate to is worth it because uhh dances and spices and also whites do some evil stuff or something.
>>224959938I get it now, but some of your stuff does have interesting flavors, like a gurmanska pljeskavica coated with urnebes, a Serb grill in old Ljubljana does that and it's great
>>224959998You absolutely have to try making cherry sauce with meat, it's not an usual Serbian dish at all (I think it might be just general central European) but my father made it for me many times.
>>224958140it is impossible to understand the mysterious russian soul
>>224958624There are at least two compleatly alien to eachother alphabets in that picture.
>>224960078if it's anything like Swedish meatballs with cranberry sauce, I'll gladly make it
>>224958140Yes, to some degree.
>>224959294>only Belarusian and sometimes UkrainianIt gets very easy once you're used to it.>Other languages have some similar words but not enough to understand the meaningThey also can be more understanble if you understand the writing and how their letters changed like with Polish for example.
>>224959782Slavic languages are more similar to each other than Germanic languages are but less than Romance languages.Also, how much you understand another person depends on your own language skills, level of education, even in your native language. Like, a lot of common words in Russian or Serbian are archaic words in Polish (and vice versa) so if you're a well-read person in Polish you should understand them, but if you didn't read any older books and your vocabulary is limited - you might not. Generally what makes Slavic languages feel different is pronunciation more than anything else. Grammar and a large part of vocabulary is generally similar, with the exception of Bulgarian which is very different (it's to other Slavic languages what English is to Germanic languages).
>>224960806Dont you cyrillic slavs learn latin alphabet in school? I dont think the opposite is true
>>224960911We learn English alphabet on English classes, not Latin alphabet. And other Latin scripts of other Slavs are different. So we usually read any other language would it be yours, German or Polish as retarded Americans by default.
I mastered Serbian in 1,5 week, piss easy. Now I have the wonderful ability of reading /ex-yu/ and triggering yugoslavs with some mundane trolling (I love them tho).
>>224960877>even in your native languageTrue.
>>224960965Grim, they also taught english in soviet school? Usually in europe we have mandatory english then another yuro language that we choose. If your school is top tier you can even choose russian or chinese
>>224961137I mean a big yuro language, french/spanish/german nobody is learning latvian
>>224961137>they also taught english in soviet school?Yes.> then another yuro language that we choose.I'm not sure if it was the rule everywhere. In my school there were no choice and we studied German. We usually study 11 years. English classes start at the 2nd year and the 2nd language classes at the 5th year.My grandma also learned German as I remember.
>>224960877>Generally what makes Slavic languages feel different is pronunciation more than anything elsethat's not my experience, but that's because Slovene flows like German more than a Slavic language, the subtle German influence on how Slovenian sentences are put together is huge, and Serbocroatian feels a lot different, despite a lot of the vocabulary being shared
>>224958140Please save the Sorbs from dilution in the German sea! Don't let their culture die! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GM1H8PL5q4
>>224960911In Serbia we do. We also learn to write cursive cyrillic and cursive latin.Serbs type latin online because it's easier (especially on 4chan) but irl I used cyrillic mostly and many people do.
>>224961263The Georgian is to be blamed for no Sorbian state.
>>224961247>that's not my experience...and what you wrote next in your post exactly confirmed my point, I said that pronunciation is what makes the Slavic languages really different. Generally it's much easier to understand written text in foreign Slavic languages than spoken, because the difference in grammar and vocabulary isn't usually that big.
>>224960987Jel si ikad probao da ga pricas sa nekim?
>>224961298Does Serbia have any program to help the Sorbian culture survive? You should be the most morally responsible for them, as they're technically your ancestors. You should have something like Erasmus for their students >>224961340pa sam s tobom pricao toliko puta
>>224961263rej is an old Slovenian word for a jig which almost nobody knows anymore. Tho if I had to guess the origin of the track without knowing the context, I'd call it Hungarian
>>224961370>pa sam s tobom pricao toliko putaPa mislim uzivo brate, da ga govoris sam trebao reci.>>224961370>Does Serbia have any program to help the Sorbian culture survive? You should be the most morally responsible for them, as they're technically your ancestors.Idk. Also, I wouldn't say that they are our ancestors. We just had a common one.Tito tried to campaign for a Sorbian state after WWII.
>>224961263>he doesn't think of the slavomolisansNigga please https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavomolisano
>>224961186>English classes start at the 2nd year That's quite early, I guess it's harder for russians
>>224961414In Polish it means 'row', especially in dance, but it's a very archaic word and almost doesn't exist independently nowadays, but it's still a root in other, more used words related to dance, like 'wodzirej' which means a person that leads the dance/party, especially at the wedding. And "wodzić rej" is an idiom which means "to lead, be better than everyone else".
>>224960877>Bulgarian which is very different (it's to other Slavic languages what English is to Germanic languages).inderesding
>>224961434>Pa mislim uzivo brate, da ga govoris sam trebao reci.naravno da ne, s kim bih mogao, nema tu ni srba ni hrvata ni nijednog zagubljenog bosnjaka>Also, I wouldn't say that they are our ancestors. We just had a common one.Yeah, that should be enough for you to keep this connection alive, would be sad if it disappeared just because the Sorbian ethnicity is gone. At least instead of going to Munich to work, you could choose Budisyn, marry local girls, have a lot of children, send them to a Sorbian school and rebuild the community. >>224961460too far away from us, sorry, gonna let Yugoslavs take care of them
>>224958140Serbs, Bosnians and Montenegrins - Yes, like 95-99%, if they happen say something I don't understand, we still understand each other enough that they can explain to me in their language what they meant.Macedonians - Like 60-70%, maybe even 80% if they speak very slowly and simplify. Seeing Macedonian written in Latin is extremely understandable, I could read a book like that fairly easily.Bulgarians - You'd expect it to be same as Macedonians, but I find them harder to follow, still can catch on what they're saying.Slovenes - Some Croats claim to understand them, maybe Kajkavian Croats can, I just can't, if they speak basic things slowly, I'll catch on some stuff, but that's about it.Russians and Ukrainians - If you listen to them for a while and get used to ignoring all the "ya" sounds, it can become surprisingly comprehensible, but not enough to lead conversations and talk in a normal speed.Belarusian - Don't think I ever heard it being spoken.Poles, Czechs, Slovaks - can barely register anything
>>224961950yeah, Russian was actually hugely influenced by South Slavic via Church Slavonic, and when watching old Soviet films I can understand about every other word
>>224961980It's clearly being by written languages because amount of words that are written similarly but pronounced different ly in russian and bulgarian are huge >t bessarabian Bulgarian
>>224962090>>224962090>It clearly was influenced by written languages*
>>224962090to me Bulgarian feels like Russian vocabulary combined with English grammar. Generally I always have uncanny feeling reading Bulgarian, you just feel that something is wrong when the words don't have case endings but have articles instead. Probably English natives who learn Russian sound exactly like Bulgarians.
>>224962148Also, I heard a story about a Russian guy who bought some product and tried to read the instruction which he thought was in Russian but machine translated, so he complained about that to the producer and got the answer that it was a Bulgarian version.
>>224962148>Bulgarian, you just feel that something is wrongThat's what happens when your founding fathers are Khans on a special operation from Mongolia.
>>224961687>At least instead of going to Munich to work, you could choose Budisyn, marry local girlsI only ever date our own girls.
>>224962148Other Slav languages should adopt Bulgarian articles, and maybe Bulgarian re-adopt cases.
>>224962267articles are the least useful feature, i have no idea what it is for and i always mix them up in english because of how useless they arewtf is a language where you cannot simply say 'cat' but you always have to declare whether it's some random unknown cat or the cat you know.
>>224962249you can do this sacrifice in the name of luzicko srpstvo.also let's not pretend that vojvodina girls are so much different from western slavic girls, it's probably the same cold attitude from both kinds
>>224962312>i have no idea what it is for and i always mix them up in english because of how useless they areYou're funny>wtf is a language where you cannot simply say 'cat' but you always have to declare whether it's some random unknown cat or the cat you know.A logical one? You're probably going to say about context and how the rest of the sentence does that in your language but articles make that directly clear.
>>224962342>also let's not pretend that vojvodina girls are so much different from western slavic girls, it's probably the same cold attitudeI just don't talk to people who give me an attitude lol. I would say most are not cold. Only whores are cold.
>>224962380>A logical one?I would say it's illogical.
>>224958140>Czech and Slovaksyeah, quite well>Ukrainians and Russiansnot enough for a conversation, but a decent amount, more with Ukrainians>Croats and Serbsbits and pieces>Bulgarians and Macedoniansbarely anythingI can't recall ever talking to a Slovene so idk
>>224962380I just want to say 'cat'. Not some cat. Not this cat. Just 'cat'. If I can't do this then the language is silly.
>>224962394https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeFGLzsxJ3cthat feels just like all these Zentaloyropean traditions you have north of the Danube
>>224958140All of these nations are brothers, except Albania, which is uninhabitable by human life.
>>224962624sveženj is the Slovenian word for bundle
>>224962674would Slovenes form Yugoslavia with Sorbs rather than Serbs?do you think it could compete with yu-rock?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--gjfZSsurU
>>224962624>Zentaloyropean traditions you have north of the DanubeNorth of Danube is Bosnia.
>>224958140their languages are basically the same but pretend to be different
>>224962712i think you got it wrong
>>224962847You've not encountered the mad Bosnian taxi drivers who get angry when they have to stop on a central European crosswalk in Novi Sad.
>>224962939>2026>imati taxi vozace iz svog podrucja a ne iz druge strane sveta vojvodina je zakon
>>224963007Ne moze Vojvodjanin da odbrusi Bosancu od dva metra a nekom indusu mogu jebati mater bez problema.Nema ovde nesto preterano stranaca ali na primer voze medjugraske buseve od privatnih firmi, idem nekad do jednog sela blizu Novog Sada, vozio ga neki Indus, mislio sam da cemo sleteti sa druma, retard glupi.Starno ne mogu da verujem da postoje ljudi koji ce reci da smo svi jednaki, on je takav pa je takav ali kad neki nas krene da ih stiti zube bi im polomio.
Also this looks like Serbia.I love how many people make fun of us for looking like Turks but these people look straight up ours.
Always found it interesting that understanding between slovenes and croats/serbs/bosnians only goes one way. We can read and understand them but they can't understand us. I wonder what mechanism of language causes that
>>224963285I agree with this. I am a zoomer, I do not know much about Slovenia (that is a bit sad though) and we do not interact with Slovenians much. While I know that Slovenians might listen to some Yugo music, have Yugo migrants, see Yugo language etc. You are at least a little bit familiar with us.
>>224958140Think like this, to us Slovene and then further away Slovak and Czech are like other Italian dialects and Spanish to you.Polish is like an even less intelligible version of Czech which itself is a slightly harder version of Slovak (the middle man of Slavic languages). Polish also has fucked-up orthography - I've seen some people (probably Russian baiters) use this example saying therefore for Polish it makes more sense to use Cyrillic but it's just the specifics of the Polish script. One could also use for example a slightly altered Croatian Latin script for Polish which would make it look cleaner to the rest of us.Russian when written down provided you can read the script is surprisingly intelligible to us but East Slavic accents make those languages very difficult when spoken. Not saying we can understand written Russian easily because they use a lot of different vocabulary and there's a lot of "false friend" word pairs but it's easier than expected for a language and nation that's far and seen as distant. Like for Russian and other Slavic dialects it helps knowing Croatian dialects because many use words that exist in other Slavic languages, often with the same meanings, but not in Standard Croatian or "Serbo-Croatian".I rarely hear Bulgarian but it should be something between Serbian, the features that make Standard Serbian different from Croatian, mixed with Russian. From the little I was exposed I don't think Bulgarian is really intelligible to us but Macedonian is noticeably more despite people claiming it's the same language as Bulgarian.
>>224958140I cant understand shit other Slavs say and I think that whenever another Polish person says they can understand most of Czech, Ukrainian or Slovakian they're bullshitting
>>224963503It feels like an incomplete answer since this hasn't really been that true since the 90s. I can't actually speak Serbo-Croatian but I could always understand it, I guess I just heard enough people speaking it growing up?
>>224963683>I guess I just heard enough people speaking it growing up?Yeah this.You have to understand that I met 1 (one) Slovenian in my entire life and I am fairly certain vast majority of Serbs have never spoken to a Slovenian, listened to a Slovenian song or watched a Slovenian movie or heard a Slovenian language.While you for certain were at least exposed to Serbo-Croatian to some degree.And hell, it might be education difference. Maybe Slovenians are simply better at comprehension aka higher IQ. Serbs do not pay attention in school but wait for the bell so they can drink, smoke weed and listen to Desingerica. It could be different but it isn't.
>>224963774>You have to understand that I met 1 (one) Slovenian in my entire life and I am fairly certain vast majority of Serbs have never spoken to a Slovenian, listened to a Slovenian song or watched a Slovenian movie or heard a Slovenian language.I consider this a bit sad because while we are not really alike we still shared a country for a good part of the last century so I will fix this. I am not Yugonostalgic but my parents and grandparents were born in that country and Slovenia was part of it, I view it that way.
>>224963285>1. Slovenes having to learn, use and getting exposed to "Serbo-Croatian" way more during Yugoslavia than the other way around>2. Serbian and Croatian music being popular in Slovenia but basically 0 the other way around>3. New generations of Slovenes being part čefurI saw my parents experience the other way around. My mom doesn't speak Slovene but she was exposed to it through media, did her high school internship in Slovenia and natively speaks a Croatia dialect that's a bit closer to Slovene so she expected a random Slovene zoomer to talk to her in Slovene or whatever South Slavic language he knew but he just started speaking English. It sounds weird when I say it like this but I've experienced first hand Slovenian waiters talking to me in Slovene when I referred to them in Croatian, I might have purposely used simple sentences which might come out the same in both languages.Similarly from exposure to Serbian media during Yugoslavia my parents know a lot of Serbian (and Macedonian) words that I don't. Like two weeks ago I learned what "bezbednost" means.
>>224963949No shot you don't use that word, huh.
>>224964095we often say sigurnost, but properly that's gotovost. Also, beda is the Slovenian word for misery.
>>224964138>Also, beda is the Slovenian word for misery.Poverty is closer to what it means here though it can also be misery I guess.
>>224958140I can understand a good bit of russian, but that's only because i worked at a hotel back when russians were still coming here in large numbers and i got used to hearing it.
>>224964095Can't speak for all Croats, maybe some people near the border with Serbia might use it idk but I only hear it on Serbian news reports.It's like the word "bukvalno" which I know is used in other Slavic languages besides Serbian but for a long time I didn't know what it meant and after learning it's meaning I started noticing that it's used by some minority of Croats as well but it's not part of our standard language.Similarly the word for bread "hleb", or its variants that are used by almost all other Slavs, are mostly used by Northern Kajkavians in Croatia while all other Croats use "kruh".
>>224961460This is so wholesome.
>>224964467bukva is the old Slovenian word for knjiga, too, tho we say dobesedno, and kruh is Slovenian for bread, whereas hlebec means loaf
https://isv.wikipedia.orgMedžuslovjansky jezyk (takože: novoslovjansky, vseslovjansky) jest slovjansky naturalističny planovy zonalny pomočny jezyk, skonstruovany na osnově občeslovjanskyh gramatičnyh i leksičnyh elementov, ktory služi komunikaciji medžu Slovjanami raznyh narodnostij. Za ne-Slovjanov medžuslovjansky može takože polniti edukacijnu funkciju. Jezyk jest zakorenjeny i v staroslovjanskom jezyku i v različnyh improvizovanyh narěčjah, ktorymi ljudi v srědiščah s raznorodnym slovjanskym naseljenjem posluživali se črěz stolětja. Vslěd togo medžuslovjansky jestvuje na dvoh uravnjah: prvy sut nenaučne formy spontaničnogo občenja, drugy sut naučne kodifikacije, prědložene od mnogyh jezykoznavcev i inyh.[4] Vse formy imajut kako obču harakteristiku, že razumlivost bez nikakogo prědnjego učenja imaje prioritet nad legkostju. Tomu že medžuslovjansky jest zonalny a ne narodny jezyk. Tutoj jezyk jest pisany i latiniceju i kiriliceju.
>>224964885we used to have frequent /slav/ threads here in the 2010's and I found I could understand that conlang pretty well
>>224964885The flag should use the Kolovrat.
>>224965541Made up late 20th century symbol.
