>trying to improve your country and participate in the democratic process, increase secularism and encourage the liberalization of your society as atatürk would have wanted>:/ >Review Bombing some swedish publisher that makes grand strategy games of varying quality because some moderator said something bad about atatürk>:)why are turks like this?
What happened this time?
>>224996530Honorary Chinese
Dale bucetuda
>>224996558Cultists of ataturk lost their shit at a moderator of the Paradox discord and started review bombing the steam page of Hearts of Iron 4.
>>224996530Thats not how democracy works lol
>>224996901how is participation in the political process not democracy?
>>224996996>vote for representative Hans Von Stautberg on the basis that he'll vote for policy A>Hans gets "lobbied"(bribed) by corporation B into voting against policy A>Hans votes AGAINST policy AWow such democracy, very representative
>>224996642I cannot follow their logic process. What the game has to do with it?
>>224996642Not even some update on the game, just a janny talking shit on the discord? Really? Are roaches really that thirdie?
>>224996530Turkey was a one party state under Atashit
stop playing this gamestop playing this entire genreit's shit
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>>224997826Brown post
issue is not the photo but the portrayal of Turks as genocidal. many members of my family died in WWI and one of them was even taken prisoner by the russians. common ground between the so-called whites and radical Islamists is their anti-Turkish sentiment
>>224998744When they're spamming pictures of the pashas in response that's not exactly wrong thoughbeit
>>224996530>why are turks like this?why won't swedes allow historical discussion?
>>224999049thank you for not describing Turks as pests that must be entirely wiped out
>>224998744Turks were genocidal and they also naturally progress any criticism on Ataturk as an insult upon his/their honour. Just like Ahmeds can't cope with any alt perspective on Mohammed, you do the same - swapping out one prophet for another.
>>224999310*process
>>224998744There was another thread a fews days ago where someone was talking about how poorly armenians suffered during wwi, and in response a turk gloated over killing them, a cypriot responded and the turk then proceeded to say that he wished he could come over to cyprus and kill all cypriots and finish taking over the other half of the island
>>224999310You did the same thing with the Stolen Generation. And don't get jealous on the Turks having their idol. The nearest you have is Bob Hawke.
>>224998744one of the people I mentioned >>224999310when did your family immigrate to Australia?
>>224999366do you know what "troll" means?
>>224999371>POOPlaysianYou have a surface level understanding of how the Australian government handled the Stolen Generations and how the Turkish government/s talks about the ethnic cleansings/genocides that happened in the 20th century.>>2249994062026, yesterday.
Turks are highly nationalistic, because the severity of partition they faced after the devastating loss of the Great War, threatened a national identity that had grown over several hundred years of imperial pride. Yet they overcame that under seemingly insurmountable odds, even despite the hundreds of thousands of men lost in the first World War. For that, they have my sympathy, and respect. And to be accused of genocide, by petty bolshevik pissants, who were massacring Azerbaijani Turks at the same period they whinge about? That would get under anybody's skin. I also find it dishonest for Armenian advocates to turn the spat into a religious one, when so-called "Christians" were ardent Bolsheviks under the Dashnak banner.My only point of criticism towards the Turks is their Sultan encouraging Jihad against the Entente worldwide. I write this as an Australian, because this inspired some Afghan Cameleers to massacre innocent Australian picnickers.
>>224999449The Turkish government states that history should not be written by politicians; it has even opened the Ottoman archives and invited historians to engage in a joint discussion. >PplaysianDo you have a "Deus Vult" tattoo?
>>224998744>Turks as genocidalLearn history.>many members of my family died in WWI and one of them was even taken prisoner by the russiansWOW THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED TO ANYONE IN WARS BEFORE!!!
i cant deal with a stupid shitstorm thats going to drag on for hours. have a nice day goys
>>224999608> The Turkish government states that history should not be written by politiciansAnd at the same time denying the atrocities took place or minimising it. Your public stance is literally the Turkish equivalent of only 271K Jews died in the Holocaust.> Do you have a "Deus Vult" tattoo?No. Not everyone that’s against Turks is a chuddy American/Europoo or an Islamist.
>>224999371There was no "stolen generation", and there was no "Armenian genocide". And just so you know, Bob Hawke is not even close to being a unanimous national idol. Our hero-worship belongs to the fallen young men who fought for the Commonwealth. Similarly for the Turks. Ataturk is a proxy for that reverence, for he is their father & loyal commander.
>>224999551> I also find it dishonest for Armenian advocates to turn the spat into a religious one, when so-called "Christians" were ardent Bolsheviks under the Dashnak banner.The division of the 20th century disputes in the ex-Ottoman territories were primarily ethnic based with religion used as a dividing buffer between the Turks and Armenians. Turks were against them because they were Caucasian and Christian.
>>224999783BS, they were against them because they were fifth columnist imperial stooges for the Entente, and later the Soviet Union. A hypothetical "Western Armenia" & Greek expansion was strategically and nationally existential for Anatolian & Caucasian Turks. The Azerbaijani Democratic Republic for example was crushed by Armenian Dashnak & Soviet aggression. These are the articles in the Azerbaijani Republics' declaration of independence:>3. The Azerbaijan Democratic Republic seeks to establish good neighbourly relations with all the members of the international community and, in particular, with the neighbouring nations and states.>4. The Azerbaijan Democratic Republic guarantees, within its boundaries, the civil and political rights to all the citizens indiscriminately of ethnicities, religion, social status and sex.>5. The Azerbaijan Democratic Republic provides an ample scope for development to all the peoples that populate its territory.It was not a religious conflict, but a geopolitical one.
>>224996530Virtue Signaling
>>224999783>>224999932Look at this map and tell me the Turks are in the wrong for balking at such an insult to their national dignity.
>>225000026Borders are for boys, people are for men
>>225000026Don’t care.
>>224999704Fuck you sand monkey all you do is "ermmm what about y?" all day without any introspection or self awareness. It's important to understand as a real human being that browns are simply incapable of thought, which is why this entire spazz out happened in the first place, so there is no need for me to be that upset
>>225000026In fact, despite this perfidy, being given a FAR worse treatment by the Entente than Germany ever had. (And we all know how the insult to German dignity and pride rippled out later) They still committed to working pleasantly with the allied powers under Ismet Inonu, even assisting a South Korea that was desperate for help.>>225000077Oh, so you're a gayreek. It's not like I didn't know it all along, but I felt it was wrong to point out the obvious. Go back to your tzaziki, Kosmo Pavloupolos>>225000073How did you react to French occupation of the Ruhr, Klaus?
>>225000077And you wanna talk about genocide, cheech? Look at the changing demographics of Salonica. What "Enosis" looked like for Cypriot Turks. The fuckign gall on you lot. You're constantly whinging about EastMed maritime disputes from fucking Oakleigh, Melbourne. Have some gyros and go to bed
>>224996642Review bombing is fucking retarded, like when the chinks review bombed slay the spire 2 because infinites got nerfed or when chuds do it over black people being in the game
>>225000026They did the same shit to hungary and nobody cared
>>225000307Hungarians absolutely cared, they joined the Axis. Trianon was exactly what informed their participation in the war. Similarly for Italy's "Vittoria Mutilata", and they were a bloody victor! Yet the Turks were noble enough not to join in on that rubbish
>>225000374>Similarly for Italy's "Vittoria Mutilata", and they were a bloody victor!We got kinda scammed though
>>225000396What would you even do with the Eastern Adriatic territories today. I struggle to imagine such a scenario. Who would want to govern over Croats?
>>225000435Venetians did for hundreds of years
>>225000435We would govern over the Italians of the adriatic, those were latin lived territories. Apart from eastern Dalmatia that I'd admit was more slavic. But we wanted full strategic control over the sea, so Cattaro's strait would be nice.A good compromise would be owning Istria, Fiume, Carnero, Cattaro; losing the historical Latins of Zara and Ragusa.
>>225000553>Carnero*QuarneroExcuse me
>>224998744Nigga you were genocidal lmao, that's your whole history
>>225000553The main issue was not getting the Dalmatia because muh nationalism and at the same time not getting Fiume despite being inhabited by Italians while also getting scammed by the frogs and britishers over ottomans' lands and german colonies
>>224998744>islamistsWhy are you guys so retarded most muslims love turks for the Seljuk and Ottoman empire, you know when you didn’t give up and started copying the french.
>>225000694The islamic rot had already destroyed the empire when Atatürk correctly recognised euros' superiority
>>225000553>>225000675You don't particularly hear much about the Latins of former Yugoslavia, compared to Eastern Euro Germans or however. Were they sent back like the Pieds Noirs to France? How has the revanchism been expressed since WW2? Italians are very passionate people so you'd expect them to bring it up more
>>225000743They got ethnically cleansed after ww2 by Tito's partisans >How has the revanchism been expressed since WW2The topic about dalmatian refugees is very chud coded because italian communist party saw them as fascist invaders that deserved it. So chuds spergs about the foibe once a year while the lefties downplay it
>>225000732And now turks are being ethnically replaced together with the euros. Ataturk’s policies have done what no enemy of the turkish people could do throughout it’s history.
>>225000841Why would a m*slim take issue with syrians coming in?
not very effective
>>225000198The difference is that killing Greeks is genocide, while killing Turks is just pest eradication. Hope you understanding
>>224996530Oh no. Now the game will get no publicity! How will anyone hear about it now???
>>224997300Nothing.All that happened is a moderator on the Hoi4 discord banned a guy with an Aaturk profile picture, and now it's caused a huge review bombing for Hoi4 and their DLCsI think it's spread to other games as well.
>hearts of estrogen 4
Leaf tranny mod probably assumed Ataturk was just an another historical figure for us. He had no idea Ataturk worshipping is literally a cult here. He is absolutely everywhere and is seen as a god. The funny thing is that this cult of personality was created after Ataturk's death and Ataturk himself was against this kind of worship. By the 50s Ataturk was mostly forgotten and replaced by Ismet Inonu who was Ataturk's right hand man during and after the war. They started pushing this cult of personality around that time and 70+ years later you can't walk 100 meters without seeing an Ataturk statue or picture
>>224998744Turks were absolutely genocidal, or at the very least, extremely oppressive and discriminatory. Part of the reason why reactions to independence and the later balkan wars was so violent towards them. After centuries of oppression and outright killings and enslavement of they own, once they got the chance, they took it out on the Turks and got some get back. I'm not saying it was right at all, but I don't certainly don't feel bad for turks either...
>>224996530>improve your country and participate in the democratic process
>>224996558europeans getting dangerously redpilled on the TQhttps://x.com/Spelay0/status/2103123769724404137
>>225004555This is old knowledge, everyone already knows that to find a nationalist Turk, Albanian, and Serb in the same place you visit your local social housing block
Why are roaches so pathetic
turks are low iq people
>>225008467you would be angry cockroach if they had taken away your foreskin
