They used to be over 70% Catholic still in the 1930s. I don't buy the bullshit story about them turning away from the Church after breaking free from Austria. It's the commies who utterly made them heavily secular.>In the 1930 Czechoslovak census, 78.6% of the population in the Czech lands ALONE (which EXCLUDES Slovakia and Transcarpathia) identified as Catholic, with the vast majority belonging specifically to the Roman Catholic Church.>Across Czechoslovakia as a whole, the overall Catholic percentage was slightly lower but still dominant at 73.5%. Although this marked a gradual decline from over 82% in 1921 due to the rise of the newly formed Czechoslovak Hussite Church and secular movements following independence from the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Czech population remained overwhelming and overwhelmingly Catholic over the 70% threshold during the 1930s. Even when strictly excluding the deeply Catholic Slovakia, the Bohemian region alone still sat comfortably at or just above the 70% mark, while the broader Czech lands averaged out to nearly 79%.>However, historians also estimate that in 1930s Bohemia, roughly 30% to 40% of those registered as Catholic actively attended church services.Fun fact: nowadays Poland is pretty much as Catholic as Czechia was in 1930s, with 71% claiming to be Catholic, with only 28% of Catholics attending church services, according to the 2021 census.
poles be like:>i have to kneel to the child rapists from italy so russians know that we are western and evropean o algoinsane people
>>225049501We don't have to be catholic to prove we're western. Just the fact we're democratic, individualist and we have access to modern toilets is enough proof. Also, don't make this thread about us. It's about pepiks.
>>225049568ok but why are you seething at Czechs? they literally don't care about you
>>225049616It's a fascinating, little nation. Also, they're quite the hypocrites.
>>225049661least obsessed polack
>>225049616we are kinda obsessed about them, while they barely know about our existence, it's quite funny I admit. We even have "Czechophilia" movement, with clubs and pubs devoted to Czech culture, countless podcasts about life in Czechia and so on. I doubt there is at least one such a place about Poland in all of Czechia. I think Czech lifestyle is to us kinda what Danish hygge is to Germanic world, just there isn't a catchy word for that yet.
>>225049813>they barely know about our existenceHow can they barely know about one of the most important european nations that contributed greatly to this continent's history, literally located right next to their shithole, one of their most important trade partners, and their main vacation spot these days?
>>225049336that's because you have no identity outside of your religion. just a bigger belarus
>>225049936You have no identity either. Everyone thinks you're just smaller Russia. Even the name, Boris, everyone thinks it's a Russian name rather than Bulgarian.Also, you're religious and gypsy as fuck.
>>225050203i don't give a shit about bumgaria lil bro. not even my country. you're still a cucktholic polack though. literally a flat ooga booga land with no distinct quality
>>225049931you can seethe as much as you want but this is simply true, Czechs are indifferent and ignorant about Poland mostly, they see us just like we see Romania. Maybe it started to change a bit lately, thanks to Croatia that raised prices enormously so Czechs suddenly discovered (first time) that there is also another, cheaper sea north of them and started coming here, also noticing that Poland isn't like it used to be in the 1980s anymore. But the fact that they needed 40 years to realize that supermarkets in Poland aren't always empty and offer more than mustard and road salt, or that Poland actually has modern highways and not just gravel paths, and this is such news that is worth making vlogs about, says quite a lot about their attitude to us.I can't blame them because last time when Poland appeared on their TV was when we had martial law I guess.
>>225050313average pepik imagines cheap food (with many doing weekend trips to buy a lot of groceries for cheaper), religion and the road salt incident
>>225050420>the road salt incidentthat was a looong time agothere are more new incidents to care about instead!https://tvpworld.com/95600200/635kg-of-kebabmeat-seized-inczechia-after-transportwithout-refrigeration
>>225050420yeah, that's my pointwe have been neighbors for 1500 years, we speak a similar language, there are effectively no borders between us now yet all you know about us is 2-3 stereotypes related to very recent events, mostly negative. There is close to zero cultural exchange between us, it's actually quite weird. But probably proves that Czechs never needed to be interested in Poland.
>>225050313Still not the point of this thread. It's about how pepiks used to be as religious as Poles are nowadays, because I see some correlation.Btw, Czechs have an exaggerated obsession with Polish catholicism and they really believe we're still bigots. It's almost like a phobia or something. Stereotypes and shit. Like, their little pepik minds cannot tell difference between religiosity, traditionalism and conservatism.
>>225050473yes im aware of this, didnt know its pšonki>>225050516its for the better though, better to live in somehow positive ignorance of each other rather than actively hate each other like e.g. pakistan/india cock measuring
>>225050577>Stereotypes and shit.Wow, almost like we TOTALLY don't see our neighbors through the lens of stereotypes! Yeah dude, Czechs do mostly point out our catholicism because well...narcissism of small differences, Poles are quite similar to them overall but what keeps us apart is exactly our religiousness vs their atheism so that just sticks out. And it doesn't matter that in the 1930s 30% Czechs would still attend the church if at the same time it was probably like 90% of Poles so the point still stands, Poles were always more religious than Czechs in every decade in the last 200 years.Don't worry, Czechs have the same 'religious and conservative' stereotype about Slovaks, it's not only us who are singled out with that. Funnily enough, today Czechs and Slovaks are so divided politically so you can see how both Czechs and Slovaks fight for Poles' attention and ask us to become their best friend.
>>225050203Bulgaria is irreligious like Czechia
>>225050663Not to mention this 'religiousness' is used as a stereotype within Czechia, like Bohemians tease Moravians with their supposed conservatism and religiousness, then Moravians say the same about rural Silesians (who are already half-Polish in their eyes) and probably both look the same way at Slovaks.
>>225050663>Poles are quite similar to them overallElaborate, please. What traits do we share together?>it doesn't matter that in the 1930s 30% Czechs would still attend the church if at the same time it was probably like 90% of PolesMaybe, but guess what: Poland was little over 60% Catholic in contrast to 70% Catholic Czechoslovakia. Mostly because we had tons of minorities living among us (Jews, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Germans, etc.) who mostly weren't Catholic.>Poles were always more religious than Czechs in every decade in the last 200 years.So, how did it look like 300-500 years ago?>Czechs and Slovaks fight for Poles' attention and ask us to become their best friendI would choose Slovaks any day over pesky Czechs who suck up to Israel.>>225050664How can a shithole be less religious than a lesser shithole?
>>225051006>Elaborate, please. What traits do we share together?Just compare us both to Indians, Japanese, Congolese, Uruguayans and you will get it>Poland was little over 60% Catholic in contrast to 70% Catholic Czechoslovakia.But we are talking about Poles and Czechs, not about citizens of Poland vs citizens of Czechoslovakia here. I guess we don't have exact data for the pre-WW2 Poland divided into nationalities and that's why your comparison might be just unreliable, we lack proper data. Still, the common sense is that Czechs must have been already more atheist than us already back in the interwar period, as we can derive it from indirect proofs, like let's say the propaganda posters from the Polish-Czech war of 1918. The Czech posters presented Poland as ruled by fat catholic bishops while the Polish posters showed Czech soldiers destroying crosses and churches like bolsheviks. Which means these stereotypes were already strongly rooted back then and obviously didn't come out of nowhere. >So, how did it look like 300-500 years ago?Probably everyone was religious by default, at least superficially. No one would admit being atheist openly because whether in Poland (Łyszczyński case) or in Germany or in France, such a person would be sentenced to death.>I would choose SlovaksReal truth is that there is no friendship between nations, just interests.
>>225049336Czechia and Slovakia don't have the right to exist. Poland is the only relevant West Slavic nation and we should establish TPD (Total Polish Dominance) over them. We also retake formerly Slavic territories from Germany and forcefully Polonize the people who live there. We also reclaim our former colonies that have fallen into Lithuanian, Belarusian and Ukrainian hands
>>225051229>these stereotypes were already strongly rooted back then and obviously didn't come out of nowhereIt's where they started, actually. Only godless people would betray Poland during their fight with bolsheviks and later form a mutual assistance pact in 1935 with USSR just because they feared another evil from hell of a country: Nazi Germany.
>>225051638>It's where they started, actually.if they were used to mobilize local population to fight on either side then it means they must have been already widely known, no one would go to fight for an ad hoc made up stereotype.And the same sentiment about godless Czechs is already exhibited in 19th century books. There were a lot of Czech officials sent by the Austrian government to Galicia and people generally didn't like them, mostly for corruption/not caring about local population and their supposed godlessness was blamed for that (in most cases it was just that those Czech officials would be the only educated people surrounded by illiterate peasants and for peasants their modern, urban lifestyle was godless itself).
I dated a Czech girl from Prague and she was a devoted catholic. I had to stop making jokes about religion cause she didn't like them. None of that had anything to do with us splitting up but the experience made me realize I don't want to be with someone who values religion
>>225051863Actually, devoted is inaccurate and too strong. She was a larper that clearly only respevted the things she liked but not the things she didn't like. Otherwise she wouldn't have had sex with me because what devoted religious person has sex before marriage?
>>225049336Czechs were only Catholic because we forced them, otherwise they would be prots, commies gave them a excuse to abandon it altogether i guess>>225049813what is "hygge" and who is obsessed with denmark, germans?
>>225049336>I don't buy the bullshit story about them turning away from the Church after breaking free from Austria. Atheists always make up some bullshit theoryThere is even a section in Mein Kampf where Hitler was butthurt about how Czechian Priests were all nationalistic but German priests were all universalists.
>>225051959afaik hygge is very big in all of northern Europe now which includes Germany as well, idk about Austria, maybe you get more Italian influences and Italian culture is hygge x1000 just they don't need catchy names for that because everyone knows Italy is like that
>>225051971it doesn't matter what is objectively true but what history the nation tells itself to justify its national choices. If Czechs built their national myths upon "bad Austria forcibly imposing catholicism on them" then it's a legit explanation for them, even if historically false.
>>225052001Well yeah culturally we have more to do with our neighbours like slovenia than denmark, the nordics or whatever
>>225051006>How can a shithole be less religious than a lesser shithole?Because contrary to early 2000s gaytheist propaganda in Westerns countries, that is now still popular among younger online people from countries like Poland, Romania and Ukraine think it's the hot new thing. being gaytheist doesn't make a country, or an individual, more intellectually superiors by default. A retard would still be retard if you convince him to worship ecelebs, horoscopes and whores instead of God. It won't make him and enlightened intellectual. This extends to countries as well.Yes, some rich ones like Scandinavians are atheist, and also have catastrophic low birthrates and other problems, but so are poorer less developed ones like the many part of Russia or Bulgaria, or East Germany of you compare it to West Germany.
>>225052107Yeah, I believe even Germans have that stereotype that Austria is already 'half-Balkan' or half-Med. Wasn't it one of your kaisers who said something like that the Balkans start south of the Sudbanhof? Maybe your lifestyle could be as popular as Danish, if only you could make up a cool name for that. Remember, it cannot have more than 6 letters so nothing like Panzerkampfenwagen should come to your mind.
>>225051959>he doesn't know
>>225052296Prince Metternich? He said something like "the orient starts behind my villa" or behind the street
>>225052048Actually, the opposite is true.
>>225052432Maybe, I guess this quote, like all famous quotes was probably paraphrased and attributed to many different people many times. Anyway, the point still stands, I guess when a person from Hamburg arrives in Klagenfurt he does feel kinda like in the Balkans/Mediterranean. It was probably even more pronounced in the past when Austria owned lands like Bosnia or Trieste, but the stereotype is still present.When Poland was divided by three empires, we had a saying>In Prussia you don't bribe anyone, yet you get things done>In Austria you need to bribe someone but you get things done>In Russia you need to bribe everyone and nothing gets done.so even here Austria was associated with typical "Balkan" traits, I guess it was probably even more in Germany. I'm talking about stereotypes, don't take it too seriously.
>>225052432megakek
>>225052523not sure if its necessarily balkan or a general "east european" stereotype but yes, its not entirely untrue, even in welfare orgs theres some corruption and nepotism among politicians here is the norm>I guess when a person from Hamburg arrives in Klagenfurt he does feel kinda like in the Balkans/Mediterraneani dont think they have palms in hamburg to be fair
>>225052705>this cross with a crescentpeak Balkan experience, that's like a little Bosnia indeedI think Austria actually should sell this "Balkan" image more as it would make it even more attractive rather than posing as a truly Germanic (aka boring and uptight) country. Leave the latter for SauPruBians.
>>225052877the monument was originally about the plague, later modified with the victory over the turks adding a cross over the crescent >rather than posing as a truly Germanic (aka boring and uptight) country.i think thats only a foreign perception, and most tourists wont come out just to do what the normal austrian does (get drunk, or drink to eat a Heuriger if wine with food is prefered) but go to Vienna or Salzburg, most people know we speak german and thats it (although we dislike actually speaking standard german)
>>225052048>bad Austria forcibly imposing catholicism on themIs there some explanation then why Czech political elites supported this non-partisan, raised during the Habsburgs' rule, deeply catholic conservatist to be elected the president of Czechoslovakia during the difficult times of 1938? Clearly you can't tell me it's because Czechs tried to stay in Slovak separatists' good graces who were led at the time by a literal priest (Tiso)?
>>225053118I've noticed on the internet that modern Austrians generally don't like being called Germans and they also don't like how the standard German culture dominates their own media sphere. I also heard that expats from Germany in Vienna often report that they feel unwelcome because apparently they boost rent prices (Vienna always boasted about having very affordable housing). Idk if it's really a rising sentiment or it's just exaggerated for clickbait purposes.>and most tourists wont come out just to do what the normal austrian doesMaybe most tourists from outside the DACH sphere but I guess for DACHians, Austria is kinda the place you go specially for drinking wine and enjoy lighter, more italian-style cuisine, if you don't want to leave the German language area. I mean, probably most go specifically to Sudtirol for that but well, after all what Sudtirol is was historically shaped by Austria. I know that in Polish language there was an expression "Austrian/Viennese happiness" that was quite popular before WW1/WW2, now it's gone. But maybe that's what your hygge was/is.
i prefer austria to germany because Austrians are my SLAVIC brothers
>>225053626Austro-Slavism hell yeah!
>I've noticed on the internet that modern Austrians generally don't like being called Germans and they also don't like how the standard German culture dominates their own media sphere. I also heard that expats from Germany in Vienna often report that they feel unwelcome because apparently they boost rent prices (Vienna always boasted about having very affordable housing). Idk if it's really a rising sentiment or it's just exaggerated for clickbait purposes.Idk, maybe they do, maybe they do it for clickbait cant tell, when i can though is that a lot of germans flood into our cities and unis with not much integration effort, which annoys some people>>225053577swiss dont really need to come here, they can just go to geneva or southern france or italy, germans yeah they mightReminds me, the swiss call germans "gummihals" (rubber neck) because theyre always talking while saying nothing of note, and being overly submissive to their superiors at work/always nicking and giving them right
>>225053779>with not much integration effort,what kind of integration would you expect from a German guy in Austria? What does he even need to do so you see him as integrated?
>>225053379idk much about CS at the time but he was a well known lawyer (member of the imperial austrian administrative court) and didnt meddle in the cabinets work, so probably thats why, similar to here
>>225053626>>225053694I genuinely don't see anything non-German about Austrians.That goes for the Slav part but also for whatever Balkan/Med thing people said in the past comments.Minor things like having some restaurants in Vienna with dishes from those parts doesn't matter much. I think this just intra-German "narcissism of small differences" and how every group seem to think of itself as very diverse.
>>225053874like you want a ukrainian to integrate into polish society too i imagineDepends on the person but some apperantly get annoyed when theyre not talked to in standard german, even if not tourists i guess it might also be a older generation of germans when they were more arrogant in general compared to the "little poorer neighbour" at the time
>>225054126i mean, what is small and what is a big difference is obviously up to youfrom a true Balkaner perspective like that of a Romanian, obviously Austria has nothing Balkan in itself but from north Germans it is surely already Balkanish in a sense. It's the same how Romanians see Transylvanians as uptight, hard working, less talkative etc. etc. while Wallachians would be the opposite, while from any outsider's perspective all Romanians are the same.
>>225054170>"little poorer neighbour"was it ever a case when Austria was noticeably poorer than Germany? I thought you were more or less the same. Especially that Germans have their Ossis to make a real contrast.
>>225053973He was easy to manipulate and intimidate. He wasn't the firmest of type. Quite the opposite.His humiliation done by Hitler and his passiveness towards Germans is the sole reason why Czechs are seen as cowards and opportunists by Poles. It's just this one guy out of the whole Czech nation that caused this stereotype, even though most of Czechs wanted to fight. It's a fine example how political decisions do not reflect the nation's thinking.
>>225054396>why Czechs are seen as cowards and opportunists by Poles.oh, surely they cry over it
>>225054239carriages and dirt roads were pretty common here until the 80s
>>225053577Theyre literally the same, it is purely a political divide
>>225049336it's kind of sad that the czech people are so irreligious considering all of their beautiful christian architecture. I dont know how you can look at st. vitus cathedral and not have a teensy little religious feeling.
>>225054474I'm pretty sure they were common in Bavaria as well, it was a rural province before the 1950s and even with Wirschaftswunder still infrastructure improvement takes a lot of time >>225054499What do Hungarians even think about Austrians nowadays, considering your strong ties historically?
>>225054525just treat it as an art gallery, easy
>>225054525>how you can look at st. vitus cathedral and not have a teensy little religious feelingLiterally Vaclav Havel's funeral was held there with a Catholic mass celebrated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5OxgekzkwsI'm pretty sure their churches are still used for the right thing, compared to what is happening in West Evropa. Czechs may not be religious but are still quite conservative about many things. Churches are just part of the amazing medieval Disneyland that is called Prague.
>>225054589bavarians have also been looked down on, still are kind of
>>225054525if you take religion as anything more than a personal rulebook (in case youre a retard incapable of having a moral compass) youre living in a failed state
>>225055266Yayaya this I-no-listen-to-le-German-priest thing has been going back to this Hussite expedition of yours. The only failed religion is communism
>>225054525>I dont know how you can look at st. vitus cathedral and not have a teensy little religious feeling.Does pic related give you the urge to worship the Olympian pantheon?
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>>225055370i said failed state, i respect historical value of christianity and i like churches or anything historical, especially if its related to history of our traditions and way of thinking, however we live in a day and age where everything moves forward due to human spirit, not because of some mythical omnibeing that gives kids cancer and lets jews ruin the world, if you let religion dictate anything remotely relevant, its slowing down progress - e.g. americans and nudity or abortions, its absurd how much they think it matters or that women cant wait to abort three babies a year if they suddenly were allowed to do so
Bavaryans and Austrians should rule Germany, and all other goymans should be their slaves.
>>225049501yes actuallyand because of this poles don't go to hell forever like russians and their friends chechens, turks and chinese do
>>225054716Prague's Orthodox Church of St. Katherine of Alexandria. Its Baroque hurts my poor eyes.
>>225056780>like russians and their friends chechens, turks and chinese doSame goes for the heretic, proddie Americans.
>>225050269found a vpnigger faggotmaxxer
>>225055640we had that system for several centuries, was fun using them as cannon fodder against the french but were past that, we had central/eastern europe as our main domain anyway
>>225059013We need to go back...
>>225059041we sent a homeless schizophrenic to germany and they made him their leader and went into a meltdown, and all Europe pays for it, i think were good with that
>>225059125Yeah, but you also have to remember he got a lot of goymans killed, which is basiert
