On /int/ I learned that people from the northern half of France hate southerners, don't consider them French and call them "Narbonnoids."What have you learned about your own country on 4chan?
>>225053932Apparently we are both never regretful Nazis and turbo cucked gay leftists at the same time
>>225053932A few racists don't represent us.
>>225054948It's still curious to me that a feeling like this exists. As a southerner I didn't know about it. Apparently it's always been a thing as well, and it's only since recently that this anti-meridional feeling calmed down.
>>225053932Maybe Northern French shouldn't have forced their language on Southern France and let them secede if they hated them so much?
>>225054948French isn't a race doe. Or are you subtly implying southrons aren't French ? Cocasse
>>225053932I learned foreigners thirst after the most mid of our women for some reason
>>225055252Racism doesn't need any actual ethnological ground
>>225055211That's so stupid. The francophonization of France was led by everyone in every region. It wasn't forced by one party or by one region or one culture, and it wasn't a collective effort from the "northerners", especially considering the very same process occured in the northern half of the country, where plenty of dialects disappeared.
>>225055312That's irrelevant to my point, southron
>>225055395It was imposed by parisian elites after the revolution though
>>225055252Those who use this term are racists.
>>225055395>The francophonization of France was led by everyone in every region. It wasn't forced by one party or by one region or one cultureHow curious that standard French just so happens to be the most similar to Parisian French
>>225055438No?>>225055458Do you think Italians speak Italian because they were forced by the Florentines?French was a language that has long been spoken in many places in the country, it was our vehicular language for the same reason it was an international and prestigious language across Europe, and it would come to be seen as the national language at a time when only 10%-20% of the country actually spoke it. You could find it in the north, in the south, or even in the middle of Briton speaking territory in the city of Lorient, where many migrants went to to leave for the New World. That this language originates from the largest and most influential city in the country is no surprise, but it doesn't mean it is strictly the language of Paris. French doesn't come from Paris, Paris is only one of many places where it was native. Indeed it's widely believed in France that the "purest French" is spoken in Touraine, which you would know if you weren't speaking with your ass.
>>225055757>Do you think Italians speak Italian because they were forced by the Florentines?We speak shitalian because post-unification governments did everything they could to eradice our actual ancestral languages, the dialects>French was a language that has long been spoken in many places in the countryOnly by the elite and/or in literature
>>225055757>Do you think Italians speak Italian because they were forced by the Florentines?How do you explain this then:"In Occitan, vergonha (pronounced [beɾˈɣuɲɔ, beRˈɡuɲɔ, veRˈɡuɲɔ], lit.'shame') refers to the effects of various language discriminatory policies of the government of France on its minority or regional languages (including Romance languages such as Occitan and Catalan, as well as non-Romance languages such as Alsatian and Basque) deemed patois, as opposed to standard French.[1][2][3] Vergonha is imagined as a process of "being made to reject and feel ashamed of one's (or one's parents') mother tongue through official exclusion, humiliation at school and rejection from the media", as organized and sanctioned by French political leaders from Henri Grégoire onward.[4][5][6]"
>>225055858>Only by the elite and/or in literatureYes of course we know all the people who settled Canada and Louisiana were all aristocrats
>>225055867I don't understand what this has to do with what you're quoting.I didn't say the policy wasn't controversial, but that it was executed by the entire country, not by Parisians forcing their will on the country or by "northerners". Many saw it as a good thing that would unite the country and others saw it as a mortal danger. Like Alphonse Daudet and Frédéric Mistral, one who participated to French literature while also promoting his own and his regional identity, the other strictly opposing the French language and even promoting a new identity. Both friends who belonged to the same class. It's not like the change happened overnight, people didn't really see the dialects disappearing within their lifetime and they didn't expect it. The situation is a bit more complex than the one-sided wikipedia articles you read.
>The Abbé Grégoire is also known for advocating a unified French national language, and for writing the Rapport sur la Nécessité et les Moyens d'anéantir les Patois et d'universaliser l'Usage de la Langue française (Report on the necessity and means to annihilate the patois and to universalise the use of the French language),[5] which he presented on 4 June 1794 to the National Convention.[6]>According to his own research, the vast majority of people in France spoke one of 33 dialects or patois, and he argued that French had to be imposed on the population and all other dialects eradicated. Although he was natively raised with knowledge of the Lorrain "patois", his conclusion came from a common view at the time within Jacobin circles that the linguistic diversity of France had been purposely used by the nobility of France to keep the various linguistic groups of France separated from one another and from the political institutions in which French was primarily spoken. That made Grégoire see the various patois as limiting to the ability of French citizens to practice their individual rights.[7]>However, his work was still influenced by the rising sense of French linguistic superiority that had been started by Bertrand Barère with Rapport du Comité de salut public sur les idiomes (1794).[8] He thus classified Corsican and Alsatian as "highly degenerate" (très-dégénérés) forms of Italian and German, respectively. In his view, Occitan was decomposed into a variety of syntactically-loose local remnants of the language of troubadours that were mutually unintelligible and should be abandoned in favor of the language of Paris. Thus began a process that was expanded dramatically by the policies of Jules Ferry a century later and led to the declining use of the regional languages in France.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Grégoire
>>225056374Bloodthirsty sociopaths and revolutions, name a better duo. It's like the "yeah killem" americans of today got full power to do whatever they pleased. Don't even know why this event is supposed to be the core of our national identity
