Use your free time productively edition!>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageUseful links:>Free languageālearning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than youāll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianonās list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious Thread:>>225016747
Does anyone notice it's hard to find good/consistent verb definitions and examples in German? Every site tells you something different
Guten Tag, /lang/oids. Ich freue mich darauf, noch einen Tag mit Deutsch zu verbringen.
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TIL Japanese å¤äŗŗ (gaijin) is cognate with Hebrew ××××× (goyim)
>>225104995So is Chinese 鬼佬 (gweilo) and Spanish gringo
>>225104995Goyim/gentile is a more specific term denoting lack of covenantal status with God but yes using it as a catch all for foreigner is fine too.
>>225104995Finally somebody else who recognizes the validity of the Judeo-Japonic language family!
>>225106966>Goyim/gentile is a more specific term denoting lack of covenantal status with Godyou christians know literally nothing about the Torah. Noah had a covenant with God
>>225109042Was just using it as a shorthand/set phrase to not sperg out about the theology. But also Christians have used gentile(goyim) in many eras to refer to non Christians, Iāve encountered it in medieval and early modern texts.Besides that, the Torah is really ours anyways. I doubt youāre even actually part of the tribe though since youāre acting like a LARPer.
I currently am going through a collector phase, and I'm thinking about collecting books in other languages.Does anyone here do that?Also I really want to collect some retro games in different languages, from the time when games used to only get released in a single language.
whats the max amount of vocab you guys try to acquire in a single day?
>>225110870Nee, Materialismus ist eine Falle.>>225111564HƤngt davon ab, wie schnell du Fortschritte machen willst.10 neue Wƶrter in Anki sind die Ć¼bliche Empfehlung, aber du kannst auch 100 pro Tag lernen, es gibt keine Regel.
>>225110870I buy whatever books in foreign languages I find at garage sales, most of the time they're slop, but they're like a dollar or a little more at more expensive thrift stores - I was in a college town's thrift store and there were a ton of secondhand language books there.>>225111564I don't have a max, I just do it until I'm tired of doing it and have hit my goals. Putting arbitrary maximums on yourself is a good way to remain a dabbler.
>>225111728>>225111832I'm only interested in collecting materials/content that I like, not buying junk just to buy it and put it on a shelf.
>>225111564according to my own stats attention appears to start to go down when introducing more than 60-70 words a day. this is also around the amount suggested by studies.60-70 words is easy at first but will eventually build up into a large review burden. its doable but will become very time consuming after a few months if kept up.should also use keyboard keys or controller (not mouse) when reviewing cards and aim to review quickly. The actual official fsrs and anki data shows that there is no retention benefit to spending more time on a card. Trying to sit and retrieve the meaning just wastes time and energy. doubling speed simply gives you twice the results in the same amount of time and is more important than any other factor, so review speed should be the main priority. I used to struggle to do 1000 review actions in a day when I first started, and now sometimes do 3000 reviews within a day.
I have enrolled for the 2026 cohort of the Classical Arabic Academy as well as I am doing German lessons and will try to refinish A1.1 course before I enroll in Goethe in-person classes.I will do it this time bros. I also made 115 Anki flashcards.
>>225113531https://youtu.be/aCVsgvu8bFY
>>225113718IM GONNA COOOOMKRAUTIM GONNA COOMCOPE
>>225113718German and Arabic at the same time. It's gonna take as much effort as Mandarin Chinese probably.We gonna make it akhis!
Mi havas nur unu aferon en la kapo: Kvin gramojn da kokaino.Por forflugi sola al la lando de forgeso.Pensoj plenigas mian kapon: Kiam finiÄos Äi tiu stato?Kiam mi ne plu estos sola, Äar la blanka angilo ekefikas?
I can barely form a single sentence in my TL. It is over.
canadian flag, you don't need to keep being a recurring character saying that your A0 journey is already over
>>225115332Te odi
Fortasse hic adsuescam scribere vel vincula ad illud filum linguis antiquis destinatum iungere, quandoquidem illud tam lente evolvitur ut nihil vere disputetur et sunt hic quoque qui Latine loquuntur.>>>/lit/25559432>>>/lit/25561368
slop challenge canadian anon edition>Easy1. I feel sad when I cannot make a sentence.2. I study new words every day, but I still make many mistakes.3. Can you help me say this in my new language?> Medium4. I know what I want to say, but I cannot find the words quickly enough.5. When I try to speak, the sentences that seemed easy in my head suddenly become difficult.6. I was happy with my progress last week, even though I still had trouble putting words together.> Hard7. Although I can understand much of what I hear, I become frustrated when I have to produce a sentence myself, because the words I know seem to disappear at that moment.8. āI know this word,ā I told myself, pausing in the middle of the sentence, āso why canāt I use it here?ā9. While I am slowly learning how the language works, I sometimes wonder whether my inability to form sentences reflects a lack of knowledge or simply the stage of learning I am going through.
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>>225115272>>225116578bovinoj Åatas muÄi
>>225115915I will say anon I find your Latin intelligible and pleasing but I am just too busy to spend the excruciating time grinding out responses at my current level.
>>225116655Fair enough. Sometimes the stars align and enough people are present in /clg/ that we can get a pretty good conversation going, but those times are few and far between, especially lately for whatever reason.
has anyone ever learned all the languages in a specific language family? (not counting language isolates)
>>225116578Telco yev no gomiy mamm, koksubenj gram oddleh cheet sam, bovyeddina evennga
>>225116376> FurastaThig am brĆ²n orm 'nuair cha urrainn dhomh rosgann a dĆØanamh.Cnuasaichidh mi faclan Ć¹ra a h-uile latha, ach nƬ mi mĆ²ran iomrallan fhathast.An cuidicheadh tu leam seo a rĆ dh ann an cĆ nan Ć¹r agam?>MeadhanTha fios agam dĆØ tha mi ag iarraidh a rĆ dh, ach cha urrainn dhomh nan fhaclan a lorg gu luatha gu leĆ²r.'Nuair dh'fheuchas mi ri bruidhinn, fĆ s na rosgann a coimheadadh furasta anns an ceann agam doirbh gu h-obann.Bha mi toilichte lem adhartas an t-seachdain 's a chaidh, ma bha duilgheas orm fhathast fhaclan a ceangal.
>>225117698A thighearna bhalaich!Just learned arguments of verbal nouns in small clauses don't use genitive due to the inversion.nan fhaclan a lorg -> na faclan a lorgfhaclan a ceangal -> faclan a ceangalAlso perhaps iarraidh also takes a small clause, so the a^L is not needed?ag iarraidh a rĆ dh -> ag iarraidh rĆ dh
>>225100772Ist das du?
>>225116376AÅ” pajuto liÅ«dna kada aÅ” negaliu sukÅ«rÄ frazÄ.AÅ” studijuoti naujas žodis kiekvienÄ dienÄ , bet aÅ” dar veikÄ daug klaidaTu gali padÄti manÄ sakai Å”is mano kalboje?
>>225116376I might be able to translate sentence 3, but I'm sure it would be wrong. It's not worth it. It never even began for me.
>>225118974Fear of failure is fear of success.
I should know how to translate easy sentences by now. But I don't. I have already failed.
>>225116839Well for what itās worth thereās at least one anon (me) who appreciates it when (you) post. Give me a couple more years magister.
>>225118399Nein, er ist Trevor von GTA V.
do any of you plan on moving to (a) TL country, at least assuming that you have the opportunity to moveor at least vacation there
>>225120431War er geboren ins Greater Toronto Area?
>>225120976I'm visiting my TL country now
>>225121139>Steven Ogg (* 4. November 1973 in Edmonton, Alberta) ist ein kanadischer Schauspieler. Bekanntheit erlangte Ogg vor allem durch seine Rolle als Trevor Philips in dem Computerspiel Grand Theft Auto V von 2013. AuĆerdem spielte er von 2016 bis 2018, Ć¼ber drei Staffeln hinweg, die Hauptrolle des Simon in der Fernsehserie The Walking Dead.Nein, er war in Alberta geboren. Noch irgendeine dumme Fragen?>>225120976Nicht wirklich. Ich bewundere es aus der Ferne.>>225124218Portie? Bist du das? Wie ist es in Deutschland?
I will NEVER speak TL.
>>225124912Dann gib auf. Wieso lernst du Ć¼berhaupt Finnisch? Eine komplett nutzlose Sprache?
>>225118974Feel like the easy stuff could be easier. "I have a frog. It is green and jumps.", etc.
>>225124786W-wie hast du es erraten?> Wie ist es in Deutschland?Es ist gut, aber ich habe noch nicht meine deutsche Freundin getroffen.
>>225125224I don't even know how to say frog. It's truly over.
>>225125311>W-wie hast du es erraten?Ich habe mein drittes Auge benutzt.>>225125370Lies mehr, du Penner.
>>225125071It's useful to me.
>>225125473I'm reading every single day and I don't even know words. Is it just that I'm too old now?
Someone should keep track of the /lang/ meme of the year over the years. I think this oneās is self-boomerification.
>>225120192Fortunam tibi exopto
Anyone else can't use most social media platforms anymore? It's like every other poster on reddit has only started learning english after graduating school o algo?Case in point: https://www.reddit.com/r/meme/comments/1wtmvz4/nordic_mom_x_mediterranean_mom/Like jesus fucking christ what the fuck is this piece of shit. Just look it up.I feel like below C1 you absolutely cannot afford to absorb your TL from impure sources like these. They're literally contagious. You're contaminating your neural pathways. I'm already finding myself somewhat mentally disengaging preemptively whenever i start reading any text in english in case it might turn out to be written by an ESL that calques grammatical structures from his turd world caveman speak word for word. You guys 4cucks are the only ESLs that never let me down
Xitter is no better if you read comments under posts discussing some current happening like lindsay clancy. Anti feminism in general seems to attract an exceptional amount of turdies
>>225127892i, too, also appreciate your latin posts, but until i grind my endings some more i don't want to make a fool of myself with grammatically incorrect nonsense
>>225128876Anti feminism was cool 10 years ago when the internet was more American and now most of the comments are just Indians trying to justify their onlyfans addiction or argue that the West deserves immigration because of how awful specifically white women are as if itās not all women.
>>225120431No that is Steven Ogg, the actorTrevor is a cartoon
>>225130596They also tend to worship russian women thinking they're like the western women but not corrupted by feminism cuz... uhm... cuz putin trad or something. Russia bharat bharatherhood and stuff...
>FSI course introduces a new speaker on tape>I can immediately recognize her ethnicity
>>225125509Du hast nur vergessen, wie es ist, wieder ein AnfƤnger zu sein. Und Finnisch ist auch schwieriger als Polnisch. Dein Alter wird spƤter ein Faktor sein. Hƶr auf zu jammern.>>225130697Steven Ogg - der Schauspieler (Gott)Trevor - der Cartoon (Heiliger Geist)Simon - dir Figur in Walking Dead (Vater)Sobchak - die Figur in Better Call Saul (Sohn)Es ist wie die Heilige Dreifaltigkeit.
>>225116376Me pongo triste cuando no puedo hacer ni una sentencia.Cada dia studeo nuevas palabras, pero todavia comito muchos errors.ĀæPuedes ayudar me a decir esto en mi nuevo idioma?Yo se que quiero decir, pero no puedo locar las palabras suficiamente rapido.Cuando tento a hablar, senetencias que pareceban faciles de repente se hacen difficiles.Era contento sobre mi progreso la semana pasada (Āæo tengo decir "la ultima semana?), aunque estaba en problemas de conjugar palabras.I'll stop there. I'm totally guessing at the last one. I'm guessing "conjugar" is not the right word, because it probably means conjugating verbs like in English.
I am so fucking ready to be fluent.My determination has been strengthened by 10,000x points. I am going to reach D1 in my TLs or die trying.
>>2251163761. Ich fuhle mich traurig, wenn ich einen Satz nicht machen kann.2. Ich lerne jeden Tag neue Wƶrter, aber ich mache immer noch viele Fehler.3. Kannst du mir helfen, das in meine neue Sprache zu sagen?4. Ich weiĆ, was ich sagen will, aber ich kann die Wƶrter nicht schnell genug finden.5. Wenn ich sprechen versuche, die SƤtze, die in meinen Kopf einfach erscheinen, plƶtzlich wieder schwierig werden.6. Ich war glĆ¼cklich mit meiner Fortschritten letzter Woche, obwohl ich immer noch Probleme hatte, die Wƶrter zusammenzusetzen.
I wanna learn FarsiHow i do it?
>>225135031Keine Ahnung. Vielleicht kannst du mit einem Lehrbuch anfangen?Es gibt viele hier, die du herunterladen kannst.https://languagelearning.site/category/persian/
Why doesn't Skyrim have a TL translation? How the fuck am I gonna learn TL now?
>>225135975https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7665/https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7716/
>>225136178That's great but I want to play a game with actually voiced dialogue in TL.
>>225136527Oh, es tut mir Leid, Eure Hoheit.https://store.steampowered.com/app/996580/Spyro_Reignited_Trilogy/
>>225136703Well, shit. I already have this game.
I wrote a sentence in TL on TL general and it was a complete and utter disaster. I cannot bear to look.
>>225136799I wanna see it
It appears that no one has replied to my shitty A0 sentence. They simply didn't understand such utter nonsense, and I don't blame them.
Ho bisogno di soldi
Ich brauche Geld, Muschi und Weisheit. Nicht unbedingt in dieser Reihenfolge.
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>>225119625>I should knowIf you farmed that out and grinded that specifically you should know.Looking at how other people actually learn languages I've seen some learn chinese for a decade and not be fluent, for example, it's all about what you use it for and how you train to do that thing.Naturally 10 years of experience in X language might get you to speak like a 10 year old.
>>225124912>>225125071I don't plan on speaking my TL either, I plan to read like 100 books. I'm actually switching all of my TL plans to just be about reading proficiency because that's what actually interest me at the end of all this, I just want to be able to read in said TL for 3 or 4 hours a day.I get tired of talking to people, watching youtube, doing all that other shit, the only thing that actually interests me is reading and the occasional slop video.
>>225139846>I'm actually switching all of my TL plans to just be about reading proficiency because that's what actually interest me at the end of all this, I just want to be able to read in said TL for 3 or 4 hours a day.Sapienter dixisti anone, mihi quoque.
>>225128615Yeah I don't consume anything in my TL that could potentially be written by SSL's, they all use unnatural word choices and basic grammar choices that a native wouldn't use, even if they're technically correct they're never going to sound native.And I see it somewhat with what you linked but stopped reading pretty fast, when they mention their country of origin is anything but an english country they seem to write extremely basic sentences at all times.Sometimes it's not even the grammar or word choice, but the subject itself, a native would never talk about themselves in that particular way while interacting with that particular thing.
The only thing motivating me to learn French is to read all the French books I own. The only thing motivating me to learn Latin is to read all the Latin books I own. The only thing motivating me to learn Japanese is to read all the Japanese books I own. I buy books when I go abroad. I actually got my latin novum testamentum from a parish bookstore in Japan lol. It was kind of funny since you so rarely get a reaction out of Japanese customer service getting to say ā大äø夫ć§ć, ć©ćć³čŖćčŖćć¾ćā when they warned me that it wasnāt in English. One of the only times Iāve ever mentioned my hobby to a living breathing person.
I believe I may be profoundly intellectually disabled.
>>225140151He Š²oŠ»Š½yŠ¹cŃ, Š±paŃ, Ń Š³Š»yŠæŃŠ¹ Š“ypaŠŗ, ŠŗoŃopŃŠ¹ Š½e ŠæoŠ½ŠøŠ¼aeŃ ŠæaŠ“eŠ¶Šø, Š½o Ń cŃacŃŠ»ŠøŠ²! BcŃ Š±yŠ“eŃ Ń opoŃo)))
>>225140151Based.
>>225132362Not a native speaker so take these with a grain of salt, especially I can't comment on whether your vocab choices sound natural. Overall it seems like it passes the "looks like you know what you are doing" test.ni una ā ningunaerrors ā erroresnuevas palabras ā palabras nuevasnuevo idioma ā idioma nuevodia, todavia ā dĆa, todavĆaayudar me ā ayudarmeYo se que ā Yo sĆ© lo quepareceban ā parecĆandifficiles ā dificiles
>>225140151That's how I feel every time I pick up a language just to burn out and stop within a month or so.
Anyone else use guerrilla tactics to get more inpoot time at work? >bluetooth earbud under headband>leave one in the charging case and swap ears when they die>8+ hours of comprehensible input everyday, all while getting paid to do a mindless jobhavenāt been caught yet
When does input go from incomprehensible to comprehensible? Luckily romance vocab is all the same but it still doesn't feel like it's clicked yet (watching the Italian precure dub as a former French learner) Also they all talk so fast wtf I thought this was a show for toddlers
>>225140151I don't remember posting this but it must be true.
whats the difference between ŠæoŃŃŠ» and ŠæpoŃŃŠ» ?I'm realizing a big weakness of mine are these verbs of motion so I'm going to just drill the fuck out of them until I can recognize them all
>>225116376Ged an urrainn dhomh mĆ³ran a chluinntinn mi a thuigsinn, cuireas cas-bhacaig orm 'nuair feumaidh mi seantans a dhĆØanamh mi-fhƬn, oir na faclan a dh'aithnich mi a rach air ball Ć sealladh."Aithnichidh mi an fhacal seo," thuirt ri mi-fhƬn, a shĆ²radh anns an meadhan an t-seantans, "los carson nach urrainn dhomh a dhĆØanamh an-seo?"'Nuair a bheil mi ag ionnsachadh gu slaodach ciamar a dh'obraich a' chĆ nan, saoilidh mi air uairibh a bheil an neo-chomasachd a dhĆØanamh seantansan agam a brathadh dƬth fis gus gu simplidh an Ƭre ionnsachaidh tro a bheil mi a dol
I exclusively learn languages by reading every language in the multi-language instruction product leaflets that come with my packages. I am learning 16-20 languages. The steps to my learning method are as follows:1. Read the instructions in your native language2. Read the instructions in every other languageWith this method, you too can learn 16-20 languages.
>>225144117No, I cannot. I doubt I can even recall 20 words.
>>225144117>hey man, howās it going?>Configuration Saving page, click Finish to dave the configuration settings and complete the setup.
>>225144300You just need to read very carefully>>225144346It's all about intonation anyways. The words barely matter. Choose any words and they will understand, as long as you mean them. Communication is all about what you don't communicate.
>>225124786>Noch irgendeine dumme Fragen?
>>225140151Truke>>225141950>When does input go from incomprehensible to comprehensible? Depends on the material>Also they all talk so fast wtf I thought this was a show for toddlersThe classic mistake of going to kids media for āeasyā input. Youāre an adult, your brain craves scaffolding and context. Unironically just go watch the news or something (especially because the news for romance/English heavily uses inter-European vocab)
Maybe āPoleleafā is trying to game Jordieās fame by collecting (You)s.
>>225142772>ŠæoŃŃŠ»Went somewhere.>ŠæpoŃŃŠ»Went through/by something.
>>225140151Most people are roleplaying that they're not retarded, 2 beers in and they stop roleplaying.
>>225115272https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pvf_OBuJVE
>>225141950>>225144777This.>Watch news>Watch some learner podcasts, possibly with transcripts, watch MULTIPLE TIMES if you don't get it>If you're watching incomprehensible input it's not really doing much for you, it actually has to be comprehensible. This is why they say comprehensible, because you have to understand it literally 98% for the most benefit from it>Don't try to grind things that are too hard, you have to understand it a certain amount to grow most. Listening to c2 material when you're a1 won't help at all reallyFollow the basic tricks for boosting comprehension for noobs>Watch material that doesn't use a lot of idioms and fancy words - this means content specifically designed for beginners, street interviews, the news, podcasts>Have an area you specialize in to artificially inflate your level - listen to the same people with the same accent about the same topics until you're artificially b2 in that area even if you're a2 everywhere else. This helps you escape baby media earlier>Rewatch until it's actually comprehensible. You gain almost nothing first run with 80% comprehension, but if you rewatch and it goes up to 90%+ you will be gaining something.
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I am making a distress call to any langbros who have made progress learning mandarin. I am potentially moving to Taiwan permanently later this year and I really want to put all my effort into at least getting past the beginner stages when I landI would really, really appreciate any recs and guidance on books, inpoot sources, resources etc. obviously if it is taiwan or traditional character focused it would be ideal, but really anything that you felt helped or aided you would be nice to havepic related is my kot as a form of appreciation in advance
>>225146210My "advice" is just some resources since I just dabbled for a couple months as a project.Learn the Zhuyin (bopomofo)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onsIEvJxuooThis shit's like a reinforcement loop that will ingrain every sound in Mandarin (with the added bonus that the speakers are Taiwanese) rapidly if you just sing along to it on the daily. It worked rapidly for me, and the sounds stuck with me.Defrancis Chinese is a textbook series I can highly recommend in physical print. It's antiquated so there's specific issues (xiaojie in Taiwan is slang for women of the night or something IIRC) but the old fashioned sentence-drilling approach is absolute gold for learning an analytic language. The main textbooks, in classic college fashion, actually teach a relatively constrained vocabulary, but teach basically completely all grammar needed, and ultimately the 1200 characters taught are expanded upon in the companion readers to a really absurd amount of compound vocab depending on how you count it. [For this reason something like Pimsleur also might be quite effective since it's phrase-spamming, but it involves no reading, which is a blessing and a curse]Reading is GOATed. Don't let Hanzi intimidate you, do whatever you need to to learn how to break down characters and it makes them not intimidating.
>>225146210>Later this year>Meaning you might have 2 months at the most to studyActually over for you unless you start doing 10 hour days.
>>225146342that video is absolute gold, thank you. I'll also order a used copy of the beginner text book from Defrancis. thanks dude, and I agree: reading is the way for language learning, even tonal languages.>>225146372yeah but I'm different, I'm gonna actually study and practice (something most mfers do not do)
>>225146435You only have 2 months or less, you aren't really that different.You have to actually unironically do like 10 hours a day to reach the level you want to reach in that time. If you were different you would have already learned said lang to said level, best you can do now is double down and study 16 hours a day.
>>225146435>I'm gonna actually study and practiceI sincerely doubt that's gonna be enough, at best you'll get the basics like hello - thank you - goodbye down. This won't impede your laowai ass that much in our digital world though.
>>225146088Translatio?
>>225141950The target demographic is preteen girls...and men aged 25-40. No joke. There was some page from internal marketing material that circulated that showed exactly that.Anyway anything aimed at grade schoolers is going to use normal language, though with some care to avoid rare vocab unless called for. For example in card captor sakura her spell to return the cards to their original form uses the archaic second person pronoun nanji, obviously for the purpose of making it feel more like an old magical spell. Good show, and you can read the manga in advance to make it easier to follow.
>>225146516I'm different, I'm not like you lil bro. I can learn languages
>>2251464352 months is more than enough time to at least get stuck in in the grind so youāre ready to make a ton of progress while youāre in Taiwan. If you can hear the sounds, distinguish the tones, and have enough core vocab to start learning by interacting with people, youāll be in a great position.
Pushen
I kinda wanna learn Russian, but I don't want to be associated with the low class immigrants from beyond the eastern borders. Maybe I'll just learn Bulgarian or Old Church Slavonic instead.
I want to learn afrikaans but it is lacking in CI
>>225146210You live in a nice place. Why leave that for bloody Taiwan??
what level does one have to reach in a language before they're ready to date a native speaker of their target lang?
>>225144930I can't help that people are interested in the process of learning actually exciting and challenging languages while they ignore the dozens of timmies learning Spanish because they think latinx girls are easy sex. What did you expect?
>>225151939You are the always saying you canāt learn languages, right?
>>225152815the one*
>>225151699A0 if you've got game like me.
I paid 100ā¬ for that. No thanks to you guys, as you refused to donate to my gofundme.
>>225141373Thanks for the corrections. I haven't spent much time reading, so I know my spelling is una mierda. "Ninguna" is what I was reaching for, I think. "Ni una" is what popped into my head, but I think it (or something close to it) can mean something like "not even a single." For "parecĆan" I was thinking I needed to use the "ia" form, but then I had "estaban" pop into my head and I second guessed myself.For the adjective-noun word order, "nuevas palabras" is how it came to my mind, and I think my instincts might be correct in those examples. This article says that certain adjectives (not just the shortened ones) can go before or after their noun, with different senses depending on the position.https://grammar.collinsdictionary.com/spanish-easy-learning/what-is-the-word-order-with-spanish-adjectivesThe examples in the table for "nuevo" are consistent with how I thought about it. I think "palabras nuevas" sounds overly emphatic. I don't know how an actual native speaker would interpret it, but I might interpret it as in words that someone just made up that didn't exist before, whereas "nuevas palabras" are just standard words that are new to me.
back when people were still sane this was common sense, now it's basedhttps://youtu.be/9z5uMp_YqYo?t=53
>>225151699Du brauchst nur ein paar Phrasen.>Sei still, oder ich breche dir das Genick.>Die Polizei kann dir nicht helfen, ich bin schneller.>Dies ist eine Vergewaltigung, aber es muss nicht unbedingt ein Mord sein.>>225153553>er gibt Geld fĆ¼r das Sprachenlernen aus>fĆ¼r eine dumme AppDummkopf.>>225146210>Mandarin>nur zwei MonateVergiss es. GenieĆ einfach deinen Urlaub.>>225144117Mach das, aber mit einem richtigen Roman.
>>225153553>Paying for a vibe coded chatgpt wrapper slop
language learning has been solved already what do y'all do here?
>>225155926Wir leiden.
>>225155926/lang/ is my personal blog
>>225153845>>225155542It is a pretty decent app. Spending money on it will force me mentally into using it as much as possible.
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If only /lang/ had donated to my gofundme, I wouldn't have spent my hard-earned money on a vibe-coded app.
>>225158869>ai powered Finnish learningYou should have known better Canadanon, I bet the creator doesn't even speak a word of Finnish to make sure whatever it spits out is actually correct.
>>225159567The app is based in Espoo. Also it's quite an intensive language-learning course. I think "AI-powered" refers to some exercises where text is AI generated (EXACTLY like /lang/ "challenges").
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>>225156810YeahIt's kind of a good thing that they're trying to learn languages though, none of those retards can get to a decent level and end up just wasting a shitload of time as a result of their vulgar halfassed attempt at chasing pussy. They're pretty much going out of their way to get punished for their vulgarity
I feel like I spend more time thinking about learning languages than actually learning languages How do I fix this?
>>225161830Stell dir einfach vor, dass du eine hĆ¼bsche GF bekommen wirst, wenn du deine Zielsprache vollstƤndig beherrschst. Muschi ist eine starke Motivation. Wenn dich das nicht bewegen kann, dann bist du wahrscheinlich eine Schwuchtel.
>>225161830by starting to learn a language? if you're one of those people, stop watching 'TOP 10 LANGUAGES TO LEARN' 'LANGUAGES TO IMPRESS YOUR FRIENDS WITH' 'X LANGUAGE REVIEW' 'SHOULD YOU LEARN Y LANGUAGE?' 'NTH REASONS TO LEARN Z LANGUAGE' and actually please go learn the language. look up wiktionary pronunciations, look up the writing systems, look at popular grammar books for your TL, start ascertaining where to begin and actually get into the language you want to learn
When the heckin anki deck is based???
>>225161830Every time you start sperging out just open an ebook in your TL and start reading. Eventually your nerves will rewire for that to be your reflex instead of fantasizing about language learning.
>>225162665I'm so fucking lonely bros...
Some notes others might find interesting. Iāve been plunking my way through a 5k frequency deck of French at 10 new cards a day. Iām suspending cards that are transparent in meaning without relying on the context of the sample sentence, and Iād say Iām being fairly conservative since words like āsoulignerā (which is transparently āunderineā) I kept since their use as āemphasizeā escaped me. I have some quite limited and quite distant French experience, but I would say my reading level in Latin is about C1 in some domains (with a lot of caveats).What I found was that at ~860 cards in, I have suspended around 710 as transparent cognates. This is unsurprising due to Latin + English carryover. However, what I find interesting is that the highest amount of unknowns/non-cognates were actually in the sub-500 range, while the past couple sessions Iāve suspended close to 100 cards for every 10 new cards. My theory is that since the most common words are the core syntactic glue that makes a language distinct, that the non-cognates in Romance are disproportionately concentrated there. To confirm this, I scrolled through the 3000-5000 range and found an even more stark ratio of cognates:non-cognates. The encouraging takeaway from this is that it illustrates just how achievable vocabulary coverage for reading is in French, and I can imagine that the same set of āinternational vocabularyā occupies roughly the same role in other romance langs. It shows that if you target your reading to stuff that leans heavily on international vocabulary you can go into adult native input basically immediately. For example, I have an encyclopedia of French philosophy, and found I could comprehend most of a given page day one if I read carefully, with the unknowns being extremely frequent non-cognates like ārienā that I picked up rapidly due to how common they were.I figure this is what enables interlingua to be intelligible to Romance and English readers.
Now, to fantasize about language learning for a minute. People always say āLatin helps with Romanceā but the question is why and how to make use of that. 2 things are clear, 1. Later Latin is closer to Romance 2. Reading natively as early as possible is ideal.Therefore we ought to, once reading fluency in Latin is established, pick a text that has a small vocabulary, is repetitive/formulaic, and can be recycled through each language. Redditors will say Harry Potter, but I would say even that is too long and difficult. Instead, I think itās feasible for one who has read the gospels + acts in Latin to basically just grind a frequency deck in a given romance language for a month and then read the gospels + acts through once or twice. From there enough basic vocabulary/syntax will be solid that one could just keep bridging to other approachable texts until theyāre satisfied.
>>225165260Romance languages - especially French and Spanish - are essentially baby-tier level of difficulty for native Anglophones, and the advantages conferred by knowing Latin in learning them are pretty minimal. If you want to learn a Romance language then you're better off just starting with that language.
Latin is hard>>225165465>>225165260I plan to learn French some time after learning German (when I reach C1), hopefully Latin will help me with it
>>225165465>the advantages conferred by knowing Latin in learning them are pretty minimalYouāre a few years of Latin study late anon
>>225165465>If you want to learn a Romance language then you're better off just starting with that language.This.The /lang/ OP used to have something like:> Q: Should I learn language X to learn language Y?> A: No
Guys, should I focus exclusively on German or also do the Modern Standard Arabic/Classical Arabic academy?The academy requires 2 hours of daily commitment in total per the academy. I think it starts in November.As for Goethe, it costs a lot for A1.1, not even A1, costs $350. Should I stick to online courses?
no
>>225165737>>225165746Knowing Latin can definitely help in learning Romance languages to some degree, but it wouldn't be worthwhile to learn Latin solely for the purpose of studying other languages afterwards. If you have a genuine interest in Latin then the coincidental benefits it confers in this area are just a bonus.
>>225166232Duolingo is free brah
>>225166490It doesn't teach you a language thoughI need to pass B2 or even C1 Goethe exam to apply for a worker visa
>>225166490Please read the OP!>>Do not reply to the Jordanian!!
>>225166326Wow no fucking way dude I had no idea I just invested 3x the hours I would need into it to get gains in French later.
>>225166726You may be surprised how many people unironically fall into this trap; that's why I want to be clear.
>>225166523CEFR exams are a joke. I was A1 in my TL and I managed to get an official B2 certification when I was on a silly holiday there.
vocabmaxxed grammarcels will always comprehensionmog grammarmaxxed vocabcels
>>225166326I am learning Latin for its own sake, it's just something I was wondering. I'm far enough into Latin to know what learning a language is like and I can see myself doing this for a few more languages
>>225164688there are a lot of english cognates in korean but they all mean something different than their original english meaning so you still have to learn them anyways
>>225167632loanwords* not cognates
What is the best third language after English and French?
>>225167529these are just like japanese honorifics
>ŠÆ Š±Ń Š½e cŠ¼oŠ³Š»aMy mind is interpreting this as "I couldn't" but idk if thats right.
>>225167655dutch so that you can understand every belgian and st. martin islander
My challenge is that I may not use any word or phrase that I had to look up. I can only use words that I already know. Dictionary is for active study only.
>>225167655The secret language me and my best friend made up in 4th grade I'm not telling you the name though it's secret
>>225167655Lithuanian
>>225167632This is part of the difficulty with Latin which is why French is so much easier, the semantic drift is just less.
>>225166907>trapIf I could trade my Latin reading comprehension for C2 fluent speech in a given romance lang I wouldnāt do it.
>>225169439Based.
>>225168140There is a German minority in Belgium and theirs is also one of the official languages.
>>225169712There's a historical tripartite linguistic division in Belgium between French, Dutch, and German.The blackpill is that there are now more Arabic speakers in Belgium than there are German speakers.
>>225169745I wonder if the Belgian flavour of German is a distinct dialect like Flemish is to Dutch.
>>225169755Idk, but it wouldn't surprise me. German is pretty rich in dialectal diversity from what I understand.
Putting the adjective after the noun doesn't make any fucking senseWhy do so many languages do it?
>>225170093I'd guess it's because nouns tend to carry more essential information than adjectives so they get moved to the front of the noun phrase
>>225170093it just be like that.https://wals.info/chapter/87noun adjective is actually more common cross-linguistically
>>225166232Learn only German>>225167655German for euromaxxxing, Japanese for aestheticmaxxxing, Spanish or Chinese for spreadmaxxxing>>225162665Still, you need some idol-like person to praise and simp to. >>225169712>>225169745One could argue that Dutch is a German dialect. They even lost some cases quite recently
All I want to do is learn languages all day but i just HAD to go to fucking LAW SCHOOL and now i have to babysit CRIMINALS 80 hours a week. I barely read any Latin today.
>>225169712thatās disgusting
Why Lithuanian movie dubs is so bad? It's always a guy reading the script of every character in a unenthusiastic voice
>āgerman sounds so intenseā pussies when the dutch g is pronounced
How the FUCK does hodie become oggifucking Italians man
wait no I kinda hear it now... I just have to pronounce the Latin like I'm drunk and my mouth is full of cannellini beans
>>225170490Cheaper than hiring different voice actors I guessThey usually dub animated movies like Shrek or the Simpsons movie
>>225170503drop the h, palatalize the -di-, change long final e to i, and there you go
>>225170555Thanks! Now diurnum > giorno makes sense as well
what causes a brazilian to wake up one day and think to himself, āiām gonna learn lithuanian todayā
>>225170597Mercenary money?
>>225170597it's pretty cool, you should learn it
Any tips for arabic? Doing mastering arabic textbook course. I know the alphabet already so all the beginner material that starts with a heavy focus on learning the alphabet is exhausting. Do I buy a quran?
>>225170597favstian spirit
>>225170597Heās posted about it before, heās descended from Lithuanians. Itās still 100x more real than any anglo ālearningā Gaelic.
>>225170597Because I am getting citizenship (I have relatives who are Lithuanian citizens) and I am doing the bare minimum by learning the language. Plus I want to serve in the Lithuanian army and start a military career
>finally sit down to learn some grammar >get the urge to check how my watched threads are doing>even though I just checked them 5 seconds ago>in the end get no work doneI should quit this site
>>225170810so youāre learning lithuanian to become a lil wagey then?
>>225170869To enlist in Europe yes. I want to first do conscript service and then do professional military service in either Lithuania or another European country
I'm learning Finnish because I'm mentally ill.
>>225170911What happened to Polish?
>>225170962I thought, maybe the purpose of my life was tied to Poland. Now, I don't think so.1
>>225171332If you have a broken heart, boy, do I have what the doctor ordered. (Click the thumbnail for a special surprise!)
