Mexican spanish edition>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed)>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious Thread:>>225099004 (Cross-thread)
Slopchallenge>Beginner1. They build houses.2. The wall stands.3. Open the door.>Easy4. The workers carry wood, and the builder checks the plan.5. Is the house ready?6. The family feels happy when the new house is finished.>Medium7. The builder changed the room because the family wanted more space.8. We chose strong wood for the roof, which protects the house from rain.9. Before the workers painted the walls, they cleaned the rooms.>Hard10. Although the house had already taken shape, the builders discovered that one of the walls was slightly too low for the windows they had ordered.11. “We can change the design,” the architect said, pausing as she examined the measurements, “but that will require more time and materials.”12. The decision to build a smaller house, rather than continuing with the original plan, reflected the family's belief that a comfortable home depends less on its size than on how thoughtfully its spaces are used.
I started taking my French side project a bit more seriously recently. It's ridiculous how it's bordering on being like learning a dialect of a language that I already know. How the hell do people even struggle with euro langs?
>>225209122Hie bytlaþ husSe weall stentOntyn þa duruÞa weorceras feriaþ wudu and se bytla asiehþ þone rædIs þæt hus geræde?Se hired gefredeþ bliðe þonne þæt niewe hus gebytled isSe bytla hweorfeþ þone rum forðon se hired mare rymet woldeWe ceosaþ strangne wudu be þæm hrofe se þe þæt hus fram þæm regne friðaþÆrðan þa weorceras þa weallas getiefred habbaþ, hie aþierraþ þa rumasI would do more but have to get going
>>225210046そうだね
>did FSI lesson, anki, and reading for TL>now I need to read in my maintenance langsuch is the life of an underemployed langcel
>>225209122>TòisichearTha iad a' dèanamh taighean.Tha am balla na staigheadh.Fosgail an doras.>FurastaTha na h-obriachean a' giùlan fiodh, agus tha an neach-togail a' dèanamh a' phlana cinnteach.A bheil an taigh deiseil?Tha an aoibhneas air an teaghlach 'nuair a bheil an taigh ùr deiseil.>MeadhanDh'atharraich an neach-togail an t-seòmar airson bha an teaghlach ag iarraidh barrachd àite.Thagh sinn fiodh calma dhan creat, a dhìon an taigh dhen uisge.Muna pheint na h-obraichean na ballachan, ghlan iad na seòmairean.
>>225210058errrm based?But no vowel length markings? Don't you find it difficult to remember vowel length if you aren't writing it?
I think I'm gonna read some Stephen King or other horror books in my TL for the spooky season
>>225210706Honestly I just didn't bother, I have a 60% keyboard and use an international layout which makes certain macros more difficult, it's arbitrary and not true but for me at least the length markers feel less important than other core letters like þ, ð, æ, and so onI do have to go now, I just popped back in
anyone here had done learnted effectively by watching anime in japanese and just reading the subs of your TL
I think my Japanese days are coming to an end. Not to hate or anything but manchild media really is the #1 draw of this language and I outgrew that
>>225211677I saw you post this (accidentally?) on another board.But yeah, I think you're spot on
>>225211191Short answer: NoLong answer: There are people who have done that for thousands of hours who couldn't order a cheeseburger.>>225211677I get where you coming from but there is plenty of serious litterature and film to enjoy as well. Maybe the Japanese literary style isn't doesn't suit your taste, and if so that's fair enough, though I would say give Mishima a try if you haven't already, the man had a way with words few authors match in any language.
>>225211677>I outgrew thatHerzlichen Glückwunsch zum 18. Geburtstag!>>225211191>had done learntedWas zum Fick? Lerne erst Englisch, dann kannst du von Japanisch träumen.Aber ja, du kannst absolut mit Anime lernen. Check mal dieses Guide.https://learnjapanese.moe/guide/
>>225210046The biggest problem with French is pronunciation. Difficulties in learning another European language are usually pronunciation or very different, frustrating grammar, like cases>>225211677Japanese definitely has more to offer than anime and manga
>>225212472>though I would say give Mishima a try if you haven't already, the man had a way with words few authors match in any language.There's a Mishima book in the pic, you can see his name. He is a good writer. Kawabata and Akutagawa are excellent. Soseki is good. Dazai is ehhHonestly I'm not gonna keep learning Japanese just to continue reading a bunch of admittedly good Meiji/Taisho-era authors, although I respect those who do. It's just a weak value proposition. Japan increasingly dislikes foreigners, their culture is increasingly stagnant, AI is getting better and better at translation. At this point it's like what even is the actual draw anymore? To speak Japanese when I visit? Because I can already do that.
What would be a good "code lang" for a group of friends to speak SECRETLY in public without any diasporas catching on, but is accessible enough for a group of rascals to self-study online? Do NOT say a conlang.
>>225212674>There's a Mishima book in the pic, you can see his name. Okay I'm blind, gomenasorry. Sounds like you've done your research. Well in that case I don't think anybody can blame you for quitting. Though it's a shame that you didn't find anything along the way that you really enjoy after all those hours. I mean I still enjoy the anime and manga slop because to me anglo entertainment media is impossible to consume these days due to all the gay and nigger shit forced into everything.
>>225213036Japanese media isn't cucked in that way, but it feels cucked in a different way somehow. It feels like Japan was cooking with gas during the 1980's 1990's and 2000's and when the 2010's hit they just lost that fire and now they're on autopilot. I still love my city pop, my final fantasy etc but I don't think Japan has much of a future if I'm being honest
>>225210349nonne rana ista murem sentit
>>225213035irishbecause not even the irish speak it and it has an immense amount of study material for a language of its size
>>225213416Sentit, sed hic mus ranam minime molestat.
>>225213035latin and ancient greek
>>225213240That seems to an issue with every single thing in Japanese culture. They will import something, go crazy on invotating around it for a generation and then completely stagnant. Like what we consider traditional dress and architecture was imported from Tang China (iirc) and the frozen in time for the better part of two millennia. Same thing with industrialization, electronics, animation etc etc.
>>225209122Tógann said titheSeasann an ballaOscail an dorasIomparaíonn na oibrithe adhman, agus déanann na tógálaithe plean a sheicéalAn bhfuil an teach déanta?Tá an teaghlach sásta nuair a bhíonn an teach críochnaithe
>>225213577Honestly at heart Japanese culture is just really nihilistic, man. Like beneath the trad facade they kind of just don't care about anything, they have no causes, they don't care about politics, about religion, about economics, they basically care about nothing except being warm and having food on the table. This isn't even me being like, "Oh I'm a chud and Japan's not chuddy enough". It's more like, I'm a passionate person who cares a lot about certain things and Japanese culture is like a sedative that encourages you to not really give a fuck about anything. It's genuinely like an opioid almost. Like when you're on 4chan, no matter how shit it gets, at least it draws SOME emotion out of you. When I spend hours on 5channel I just feel like a zombie because Japs just don't care about anything deep down. And most of their lolcows are just like, "Oh hehe guys look this person actually has passion about anything in life!" Like it's just a completely toxic world view, I can't really accept it
I would rather learn Chinese than japanese desu
my anki frequency deck has all the basic vocabulary but also terms like "labia majora," "anus," and "urethra" randomly mixed in. I think this a joke on the creator's part
>>225213975annusanusānus
in Mandarin can you call bullets 弹子 (which is the word for marbles) or only 子弹?
>>225214223I've seen both 子弹 and 枪子 used for that.
>>225213240I feel like that's happening everywhere. It's not unique to Japan.
>>225213724From what I noticed, and confirmed by one expert on yt, Japan needs a rebel figure from time to time who will break away from the rigid pattern and culture and will not fold under the social pressure
>>225213724>just really nihilistic, man. Like beneath the trad facade they kind of just don't care about anything, they have no causes, they don't care about politics, about religion, about economics, they basically care about nothing except being warm and having food on the table.I think that's just a global trend, though Japanese history in the last 200 years probably has something to do with it too.>When I spend hours on 5channel I just feel like a zombie because Japs just don't care about anything deep down. And most of their lolcows are just like, "Oh hehe guys look this person actually has passion about anything in life!"That's like looking at /trash/ and complaining about how degenerate the western side of the internet is. You're supposed to use better sites.
>>225216513meant for >>225213240
>>225213724But are they wrong?
>>225216942The best analogy I can give to explain Japan is that it's like reddit circa 2012 if it were a whole country. Like a land where people sincerely believe that video games, anime, flavor of the month trends, tasty food, and a nice house are the only things that matter in life. Not even family. It sucks
>>225217601This is the reason why Westerners ca. 1800s didn't care much about Japan by the way. They arrived after Commodore Perry to find a place that was conspicuously clean, yet basically bland, a land filled with an endless sea of small cutesy knick-knacks but not much else worth taking note of (Lafcadio Hearn mentions this). Which is a great mental image because that's what Japan really is. Just a bunch of cutesy goofy little knick-knacks to temporarily entertain you, so it makes sense that Westerners didn't give a fuck about this place until we de-Christianized and became obsessed with cutesy little meaningless stuff like this. Japan is the best in the world at it because they've been doing it for centuries.
>>225213724>they don't care about politics, about religion, about economicsvery based
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@SeebWhat is the German word for someone who is too shy to poop in a stall when others are in the washroom? I am that right now.
>>225219936Germans aren't known for being shy about poop.
>>225220086You're right. I think I'm thinking of shy pissers.
>>225219936Ich glaube, es ist "Poopenfartenangst". Beispielsatz:>Der Junge hat richtig Poopenfartenangst, er kann nur scheißen wenn niemand da ist!
Keep getting hammered every night instead of doing anki or inpoot. Feelsbadman
>>225211191I’m making progress with subs on just fine but it’s because i’ve already learned another language before, have an existing base in Japanese, and have enough grasp on grammar to basically use the subs like I would use a parallel translation. But if it was my first language, absolutely not, it wouldn’t force enough effort for me to actually hear the words and parse.
There is an online database where you can request they move books to your local library and hold from any other in the province.The only TL book in the entire province is homosexual erotica.
>>225213724Yeah in my time studying there it felt like I was in a country that had perfected consumerism but had a hollow behind the mask. It was like everyone was 10x as good at corpo-speak and it was essentially normiedom, the country. However, it’s not a bad place to be as an American. It’s like the greatest shame is to stick out at all, so even their fandom and stuff is really just another social circle to slide into rather than a way to escape the constant henpecking. Basically I really like Japan but I’m really glad I’m not Japanese.Maybe it’s the buddhism/paganism, idk. But it seems like there’s two kinds of Japnese media, one being turbo hedonism, and the other one being trying to cope with suicidal thoughts and/or meaninglessness.On the other hand, they’re almost uniquely polite and clean and pleasant among people outside of Europe. The land itself is gorgeous, the amenities are top tier, you can walk anywhere safely and without loud jackasses, etc.Sorry if this post is incoherent, I’m struggling to articulate it.
>>225217601Oh this sums up what I was trying to say >>225220781 but in addition there’s a weird irreligious streak despite how involved people still are in the public rituals. Like if you truly believe in anything you’re a freak. I notice all the Japanese Christians I’ve ever interacted with (who don’t already have some western background) were in a way like foreigners in their own country simply for having real beliefs.
>>225217914Funnily enough, and maybe this illustrates the point, but Noh theater was on the brink of extinction in 1879 because the second they started modernizing they dropped all sorts of art forms like a bag of trash. The only reason it still exists in a substantial form is because former President Grant got to watch a performance from some of the last people they could still do it, and he told them it was beautiful and not to abandon it, triggering a revival.
This website used to be an anime imageboard, now everyone just shits on anime and acts like you're a manchild for enjoying it. It makes me sad.
>>225220926I like anime and I like Japan バカ
>>225220926I don't hate/shit on anime at all, but it's not the 2000's anymore. It's hard to look at the current fucked up state of the world, and then go watch something silly thing about high school girls saving the world with magical powers. It feels very tone-def. And this is what I mean about Japan having an "escapist" or detached culture. They're just doing the same thing they did back in the 1600's when they isolated themselves for 200 years while the modern world took shape around them, until Perry's black ships showed up and made them go, "Oh fuck we messed up". I just feel this strange guilt when I immerse myself in anime now, because I know the place it has in the bigger picture of my life/the world.
I'm petitioning for libraries to gather more TL material. I will contact the TL diaspora society of city for signatures.
>>225221379very good
niggas be writing essays to justify not studying japanese just to watch cartoons
>>225221323>silly thing about high school girls saving the world with magical powersI've never been into that type of anime.I always had a preference for darker themed anime, the kind that has a lot of tragedy and suffering.
>>225219930I feel like I'd use a third person imperative there
>learn hebrew alphabet>you can never handwrite it without looking like a drooling retard>you MUST use the cursive script
>>225221507This just means "bumping". Irish niggas say this in /éire/
Honestly, you can find more TL books at Value Village than in the interlibrary system. That's sad if you ask me. By the way, that TL dictionary/phrasebook I donated a couple of years ago is not on the database. They either sold or trashed it...
Do you guys have some favorite Spanish YouTube channels?
>>225221706I maintain my Spanish with Luisito Comunica, alanxelmundo, and Paco Álvarez philologus
>>225213035Weil was a precocious student and was proficient in Ancient Greek by age 12, as she and her brother André had taught themselves Ancient Greek and used it to speak to each other when they did not want their parents to understand what they were saying.
>>225210406>>225209122>DoirbhGed a deach a dhèanamh an cruth an taighe, lorg na luchd-togail gun robh aon dhen ballan ro ìseal gu beagnaidh dhan uinneagan a dh'òbraichadh."'S urrainn dhuinn an dealbhachadh atharraich," thuirt an ailtire, a sòradh agus a sgrùdachadh na tomhasan, "ach dh'fheumadh seo tìde agus stuth-togalach barrachd."Till am binn, nach leantainn an dealbhachadh tùsail ach gu dhèanamh taigh nas lugha, ìomhaigh aig an teaghlach nach e am meud ach co smaoineachail a chleachd àite a tha as cudromach air a' chofhurtachd an taighe.
>>225221554intredasting. I wonder if its the same in Alba
>>225220744If you're serious about learning you'll take what you can
what’s your (least) favorite anglicism / americanism in your TL?
>>225221554karibu kurudi kalle
would you still be learning your language if its speakers were ugly?
>>225223804I'm learning french so...
>>225224054french doesn’t count since every race of person speaks it
>>225223804I don't like Chinese girls, so...
>>225223711böögö
>>225225471Is that burger? Bög means gay/fag (homosexual male) here.
Mame Editions has some really nice books if you are learning French and want to study Catholicism
>>225211677Japanese cinema is really good sometimes, as is a lot of literature. I stopped caring about anime a long time ago but I'm still interested in Japanese for loads of reasons
>>225220858I wonder how much of this is their rituals not resonating with you because its different, while if you went to an easter procession you'll think they are all christcucks like you when in fact most of them also don't really care.
Bump
>>225212472too bad. I'm looking for a cope for the fact that im getting tired of repeating the same beginner content, but still cant understand things that are more interesting. So ill probably just try to start moving to watching content with subs, and then I guess i can review the subs before/after the episodes. also just remembering to not care about not understanding 100% as well.>>225212518i was just memeing with the english ;)>>225209122Construem casas. A parede está de pé.Abre a porta!Os trabalhadores carregam-se com madeira e o construtor verifica os planos. A casa é pronta? Quando estiver pronta a casa, a senpaiília se sente contente.O construtor mudou a sala porque a senpaiília queria mais espaço.Escolhemos madeira forte para o tecto que protege a casa da chuva.Antes de pintarem as paredes, os trabalhadores limparam as salas.Apesar de se formar a casa, os construtors descobriram que uma das paredes foi baixinha demais para as janelas encomendadas."Podemos alterar o desenho", disse a arquitecta, a pausar enquanto examinava as medidas, "mas assim, exige mais tempo e materiais".A decisão de construir uma casa mais pequena, em vez de continuar com o plano original, reflecteu a crença da senpaiília de que uma casa confortável depende menos do tamanho do que de quão atenciosamente se usa o espaço.
>>225209122>BeginnerCostruiscono caseIl muro sta (in piede?)Apri la porta
>>225212674I massively feel this. It doesn't help that it being so cheap to visit Japan now and seeing all your normie acquaintances rub their metaphorical hands all over the place has cheapened Japan, somehow, in my mind. Not to mention looking at the country in a sobering light and seeing all its flaws. Perhaps I just didn't start out with the best of intentions, perhaps I'm just outgrowing my childish >thing, Japan phase... it's rough. I am reminded of this Dogen video that really hit close to home: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P07rqHQ35hU
>>225209122lots of dictionary lookups needed. i tried to focus mostly on grammar (and less on vocab) though im sure i fucked up the grammar a lot.Otvori vrata!Izgrade kuće.Vid se stoji.Radnici podrže drveta i graditelji provjere planoveJe li kuća spremna?Obitelj će osjećat sretna kad se kuća završi.Graditelj je promijenio sobu jer obitelj želila više mjesta.Izabrali smo snažno drvo koje čuva kuću od kiše.Prije nego što radnici su bojili zidove, čistili sobe.Iako je kuća već sagrađena, graditelji su shvatili da je jedan zid malo prenizak za prozore koje su naručili."Mogu promijeniti dizajn" rekla je arhitekta, pauziravši dok je provjeravala mjere, "ali za to će trebati više i vremena i materijala."Odluka izgraditi manju kuću umjesto nastaviti s originalnom planom kuće održava ideja obitelji da ugodna kuća ovisi manje od veličina nego od koliko čuvno se koristi mjesto.
I just set up repetitions in Anki and decided to put my German learning on hold for a while to play with another language.You've put me off Japanese but I feel the same way about Italy or France as you do about Japan: the best is behind us
are there other languages that use the word "spit" to say that two people look the same? i couldnt believe it when i was reading it and saw it was the same idiomatic phrase in english.>he is the spitting image of the father>Dudley je bio pljunuti tetak Vernon [pljunuti is a participle meaning "spat"]
Which yt channels are good for learning Finnish?
>>225231459I can point out your mistakes if you'd like, tho Serbian grammar & vocab is slightly different from Croatian, so take everything with a grain of salt haha
>>225223804They already are ugly
>>225232230sure, im happy to take any feedback. particularly anything that is easy to explain and obviously wrong, or is incomprehensible in my translation.
>>225231953Surprisingly quite a few.French has le portrait craché de son père (literally “the spat portrait of his father.”)Italian can just say è suo padre sputato (“he’s his father, spat.”)Galician has é cuspidiño a seu pai (“he’s spat [just like] his father.”)And Portuguese goes completely overboard with cuspido e escarrado (literally “spat and hawked-up”)
>>225223804TL women are NOT it and learning TL has made me gay.
>>225232552Of course, always happy to help :^)>They build houses./Izgrade kuće.The correct translation would be "oni grade kuće", as "izgrade/izgraditi" is a finite verb, wheread "grade/graditi" is a non-finite one. You would use "oni grade kuće" when talking about a group of people who do that for a living (present simple, basically). "(Oni) izgrade kuće" is not something I've ever heard in Serbian, the closest example would be "oni su izgradili kuću", which would be past simple.>The wall stands./Vid se stoji.I don't know if Croatian uses a different word for a wall (ie "vid"), but in Serbian, it'd be "Zid stoji". It's something a wall does, rather than something a wall is. >The workers carry wood, and the builder checks the plan./Radnici podrže drveta i graditelji provjere planove. The correct translation would be "radnici nose drva, a graditelj provjerava planove", as it's present simple, ie something these people do in general>Is the house ready?/Je li kuća spremna?People usually say "da li je kuća gotova/završena?", but you clearly understand the gist of it>The family feels happy when the new house is finished./Obitelj će osjećat sretna kad se kuća završiThe correct translation would be "obitelj će biti sretna kad se nova kuća završi", or, if you wanna keep the "feels", then "obitelj će se osjećati sretno" (Croatian anons pls correct me if I'm wrong)>Before the workers painted the walls, they cleaned the rooms./Prije nego što radnici su bojili zidove, čistili sobe.The correct translation would be "Prije nego što su radnici obojili zidove, očistili su sobe". Again, finite vs non-finite verbs in past tense. Also, at least in Serbian, "krečiti" is more commonly used as a term for "painting the walls". Thus, people would usually say "Prije nego što su radnici okrečili, očistili su sobe."I reached the limit so I'll samefag soon
>>225231093You could try watching anime adaptations of manga, they typically follow the story really closely and there is a huge amount of it available. Read the manga, do your work figuring out what everything means and then watch the animeme.
>thought the Arabic script was hard>it's actually just a line with other stuff coming off of itIt's just Devanagari but on the floor lmao
>>225231953you reading harry potter?also I don't know about portugal, but in brazil people use the expression "cuspido e escarrado" much in the same manner
>>225233501>Although the house had already taken shape, the builders discovered that one of the walls was slightly too low for the windows they had ordered./Iako je kuća već sagrađena, graditelji su shvatili da je jedan zid malo prenizak za prozore koje su naručili."Iako je kuća već bila sagrađena" would be better imo, given the context (it was built before the builders realized that they fucked up), tho it's also considered archaic. Your translation is what's more commonly used today. "Malo prenizak" is, again at least in Serbian, grammatically incorrect, because both "malo (nizak)" and "prenizak" mean the same. So you'd either write "graditelji su shvatili da je jedan zid malo nizak/niži" OR "jedan zid prenizak za prozore". That being said, ime "prenizak" is more commonly used>The decision to build a smaller house, rather than continuing with the original plan, reflected the family's belief that a comfortable home depends less on its size than on how thoughtfully its spaces are used./Odluka izgraditi manju kuću umjesto nastaviti s originalnom planom kuće održava ideja obitelji da ugodna kuća ovisi manje od veličina nego od koliko čuvno se koristi mjesto.:^|c I guess the only things I'd change are "odluka o izgradnji manje kuće" (so "to build" becomes a noun that explains the process of building). "umjesto nastaviti s originalnom planom" would be "umjesto nastavka s izvornim/originalnim planom kuće" (again, a noun (nastavak) that explains a verb (nastaviti)). And "održava ideja obitelji da ugodna kuća ovisi manje od veličina nego od koliko čuvno se koristi mjesto" would be "održava ideju obitelji da ugodna/udobna kuća ovisi manje od veličine, a više od toga kako se koristi" noun cases, it'd nbdYou're really good desu! How long have you been studying Croatian for? I'd suggest you focus on noun cases & grammar, your vocab is fine
>>225223804Ja. Ich bin auch ein hässlicher Freak, also urteile ich nicht.>>225221706Zu welchem Thema?Ich mag PSI Gaming, Solo Fonseca, Alva Majo, Ricardo Carrión Libros... Hier gibt es eine Sammlung von 325 Channels, die du probieren kannst. Es ist sehr gut organisiert.https://refold.link/Spanish>>225231772Oje... nicht schon wieder, Junge.>>225232009https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Finnishhttps://refold.link/Finnish
>>225228257The rituals and temples do resonate with me. I’m saying that the sheer gap between the number of participants in shrine stuff and believers is just wide from an American perspective (I know it’s wide in Europe too so I guess it’s not unique). I did see a lot more activity going on at the shrine to imperial Japanese war dead. But even that might be more animated by the nationalism than anything.
>>225231310Part of the problem is that the country’s aura was more mysterious to normies, and it was more prosperous. Online content focused on literature, movies, manga, anime, etc. while nowadays a lot of the online related chatter is literally US-style instagram slop from expats in Tokyo that mostly seems to revolve around looking cool and getting laid.
>>225234717Kiitos, maanmies :^)
>>225234900Kein Problem.
>>225234717It's ok. I simply don't have much time and energy right now, so I'm taking a break for a while. I have the energy to do something half-heartedly, but no language excites me like German right now. So, maybe I'll learn swear words in different languages or go back to sign language
>>225231953The supposedly proper version of the expression in English is "spit and image," not "spitting image."
Sick of the news so I'm reading yugioh cards and rulesets in my TLKinda fun, actually
>>225237506They don't translate deck, weird.
>>225234149sí señor >>225232567>And Portuguese goes completely overboard with cuspido e escarrado (literally “spat and hawked-up”)kek i didnt know this one>>225233501thanks. it seems like the gist of the feedback here is mostly around using the correct aspect, along with usage stuff. For "vid se stoji" I think in my brain I was trying to say "the wall is standing" and thought I would need a se for that, but evidently that was wrong.>People usually say "da li je kuća gotova/završena?", but you clearly understand the gist of itThat makes sense, I think spremna makes it sound like you are asking if the house is ready/prepared to do a certain activity.>The correct translation would be "obitelj će biti sretna kad se nova kuća završi", or, if you wanna keep the "feels", then "obitelj će se osjećati sretno" (Croatian anons pls correct me if I'm wrong)I was pretty sure biti would be the most (or maybe only?) natural choice here. I'm curious from someone who knows really well if osjećati can be "right" but with a certain, different nuance, or if it's straight-up wrong in this case.>The correct translation would be "Prije nego što su radnici obojili zidove, očistili su sobe". It looks like I also mispositioned the first su as well. In your example is the "su" before sobe mandatory? I thought that sentences where there are various actions being done by the same group of people can omit repetition of "biti" for the past tense.
>>225237957Apparently not. They do use posizionare instead of mettere though
>>225238601Forgot pic
>>225208848How do I fix fossilized errors and mistakes in my TL?
>>225238843>fossilized errorsActual non-existent meme.
>>225234163>Iako je kuća već bila sagrađena" would be better imo, given the context (it was built before the builders realized that they fucked up), tho it's also considered archaic. Your translation is what's more commonly used today. "Malo prenizak" is, again at least in Serbian, grammatically incorrect, because both "malo (nizak)" and "prenizak" mean the same.interesting, I thought that "malo nizak" was "a little bit low" while "prenizak" was "too low" so the only way i thought i could say the nuance of "a little bit too low" was a combination.>:^|c I guess the only things I'd change are "odluka o izgradnji manje kuće" (so "to build" becomes a noun that explains the process of building). "umjesto nastaviti s originalnom planom" would be "umjesto nastavka s izvornim/originalnim planom kuće" (again, a noun (nastavak) that explains a verb (nastaviti)). And "održava ideja obitelji da ugodna kuća ovisi manje od veličina nego od koliko čuvno se koristi mjesto" would be "održava ideju obitelji da ugodna/udobna kuća ovisi manje od veličine, a više od toga kako se koristi" noun cases, it'd nbdthanks, this will give me something to study. I used "...nego od" which you replaced with "...a od". Is there any correct way to form that phrase with "nego" or does it have to be od...od...>You're really good desu! How long have you been studying Croatian for? I'd suggest you focus on noun cases & grammar, your vocab is fineth-thanks. around 8/9 months or so. i haven't studied grammar much, just a little bit here and there. i've just been inputting with assimil, some netflix slop, and lute, with lots of anki.
>>225238843ask a native speaker to stand next to you and slap you in the face every time they hear you make such a mistake
Does your TL have interesting suprasegmental features like a pitch accent, overlong vowels, or stød?Scottish Gaelc has any of the three, depending on dialect.
>>225241413Does your TL have any interesting literature?
>>225238843Warte bis Elon Musk ein Gerät erfindet, dass dein Gehirn heilen und beliebige Sprache installieren kann.
>>225241413Pitch based languages are so stupid
>>225241413Out of my three TLs:>pitch accentyes>overlong vowelsno>glottalizationyes
>>225241570Assuming this is a genuine question and you're not just making fun of an endangered language for having a small corpus, yes. It has a (shared with the other Goidelic languages it had not yet split from) literary tradition beginning in the middle ages, and a large body of poetry leading up to the 1910s when the first full-length modern-style novel was published. You can find more current writing online, as there are a selection of smaller publishers publishing in Gaelic. It seems like some of them may be government-subsidized as they seem very well-priced. I'm a bit of a sci-fi head so I was pleased to see some of that being published as well.
>>225241632filtered
>>225242296Good to see you, Kalle. Still learning Irish?
>>225242833Why would I be learning anything else >>225213720
>>225243269What would you say your level is?
>>225243445Much lower than before I took a break, I'm practically back to beginner level at this rate. I'm thinking of quitting so I can dabble in Japanese instead.
>>225242005>just making fun of an endangered language for having a small corpusKind of. Kind of not. If all you have to brag about is bizarre features in specific dialects whose territory doesn’t span 100 miles, then it’s wonder people don’t bother to learn it except for heritage reasons or medieval scholarship. Why even bring up these specific dialects when the total language has 40,000 speakers at most? Shouldn’t things be more focused on building real fluency and engaging with actual media than that? Welsh has a lot of dialects too but they don’t seem to sperg out about it ad much, maybe because they’re busy actually using the language.Essentially, studying a language as a matter of linguistic curiosity, systematically documenting and overanalyzing every little local pronunciation like villagers are some population of mice with unusual fur you want to study is the exact opposite of what moves a language from “endangered” to stable. Scottish Gaelic isn’t a fucking tonal language, that’s retarded. No one would call English tonal and yet plenty of accents have random homophones distinguished by tone. Also, you didn’t suggest a single actual author or book. If you posted in here about the great conversations had or good books you’ve engaged with then it wouldn’t be so fucking annoying. Celtic larpers are everywhere and they need to stop talking about celtic languages and start actually promoting usage.
>>225241413Some Aboriginal Australian languages have more complex ceremonial and formal speech than anything in Europe but that means literally nothing on its own.
>>225238571>>225239019Glad I could be of some help :^Δ>Vid se stojiFor present simple, you don't need the "se". You'd use it, for example, in "vid se srušio" (the wall fell) (finite verb) (past simple)>I think spremna makes it sound like you are asking if the house is ready/prepared to do a certain activity.Yeah, an example would be "da li je kuća spremna za useljenje" (is the house ready for moving in?), as opposed to "da li je kuća gotova/završena?" ("is (the construction of) the house finished?")>I was pretty sure biti would be the most (or maybe only?) natural choice here.I agree, and I'm open to learning too haha>I thought that sentences where there are various actions being done by the same group of people can omit repetition of "biti" for the past tense. ("Prije nego što su radnici obojili zidove, očistili su sobe")Again, finite vs non-finite verbs. Finite ones usually have a prefix (in this case, "o"). A present tense version of this sentence would be "radnici boje zidove i čiste sobe" (the workers are painting the walls and cleaning the rooms"). Notice how it's non-finite verbs in this case. You could techincally say "radnici obojiše zidove nakon što očistiše sobe", but that's aorist, and it's pretty archaic (in Serbian, I don't know if it's used in Croatian).> I thought that "malo nizak" was "a little bit low" while "prenizak" was "too low"Understandable, a lot of native speakers make that mistake, so nobody would bat an eye at you saying "malo prenizak" :^)>Is there any correct way to form that phrase with "nego":^|c I think"održava ideju obitelji da ugodna/udobna kuća ovisi manje od veličine, a više od toga kako se koristi" > a more literal translation of the example (depends more on X than Y)"održava ideju obitelji da ugodna kuća ne zavisi toliko od veličine, nego od načina na koji se koristi" (does NOT depend on X as much as on Y)Both are fine, they relay the same information
>>225241413Does your TL have features that exist in English but with exotic sounding jargon to label them with? Mine does.
>>225243673Everyone involved in the preservation of Welsh is a delusional idiot. The only way to preserve and revive a language like that is through intense xenophobia, a total rejection of wanting to consume the culture of the people around you and communicate with them.That's why it has only ever worked for israel. Forcing children to study it won't work, cataloguing phonetic microfeatures (which at this level are probably idiolectal anyway) won't do it. And the area has been floded with african migrants anyway so good luck having more than zero native speakers in a century.
>>225243864They do it via immersion schools and it works pretty well for staving off decline but yeah like a lot of places in Europe the long term future is uncertain.My problem with Gaelic compared to Brythonic is that most discussion about Gaelic is people fetishizing its marginality more than actually engaging with the language. It’s like some weird way for us Americans to feel virtuous that we latch on to a rural population 6,000 miles away and obsess over how unique and endangered they are so we can feel some sense of persecution.
>>225243864Something I think is onteresting is that all students of Welsh universities have the right to request a Welsh provision for modules, in whoch the module is taught entirely in Welsh instead of English. They also seem to do a good job of offering Welsh classes to the public.
>>225244085Adult classes are freely available and at least in the north all children can do immersion school.>>225242005>Assuming this is a genuine question and you're not just making fun of an endangered language for having a small corpus, yesAnyways, so what if I was? Fucking pussy. The funniest part is that both of us are equally contributing to the survival of Scottish Gaelic, because neither of us are actually learning it.
How do I get the job of mic cable holder on an NFL sideline?
>>225244179Speaking of small corpora, how's your Old English study coming along?
>>225244011I have my doubts that they work even at staving off decline. Those triumphalistic reports about number of speakers are all done through self reporting. I bet most of those wouldn't even reach B1 if properly tested, ten years after leaving school.
>>225239019>around 8/9 months or so>i've just been inputting with assimil, some netflix slop, and lute, with lots of ankiGood job, this is some nice progress :^Δ what made you start learning it in the 1st place? I'll write an explanation on "su/se" in a moment
Dicendum est id non solum linguis Gallicis molestum esse. Homines qui de lingua Latina cotidie Anglice inter se balbutiunt maxime mihi displicent. Sed saltem librum cotidie lego et paulisper scribo aut in hoc filo aut libello meo. Ergo, tace; quiesce labella tua, nisi TLe loqueris.>>225244526I don’t actually study old english. I found that text because I finished the Latin edition and stumbled across the .pdf.
>>225244551Speaking from a Welsh person I know, they’re often quite fluent in what is a very basic conversational register since the immersion school doesn’t continue through high school, so most aren’t properly literate to an adult level, and their vocabulary is pretty lacking. For example, they didn’t know the word for swan.
>>225244642Depends on the region. I lived in Wales for a few years, and I encountered a lot of families who spoke exclusively Welsh at home.
>>225244725Smack dab in the center of welsh speaking Gwynedd. I’m kind of just stating the results for someone who lives there but whose family doesn’t really speak Welsh at home. I’m sure results are much better when the family speaks Welsh.
>minä olen>mä oon>moonWhat the fuck is wrong with these people.
>>225243794I apologize for any past & future ESLfaggotry and being generally incomprehensible >"su/se" etcAre auxiliary verbs.In Croatian, there's two of them: jesam/biti (both are forms of "to be") and htjeti (to want)There's no 1:1 equivalent of present simple/continuous. "Ja pišem" means both "I write" & "I am writing", depending on the context ofcWhen it comes to past simple and past continuous, you combine it with a finite/non-finite verb (eg "Ja sam pisao poruku = I was writing a message" (non-finite, you didn't specify that you ever stopped writing) VS "Ja sam napisao poruku = I wrote a message") (finite, you definitely stopped writing at one point). "Htjeti" is used for future tenses, eg "ja ću kupiti mlijeko = I will buy milk" (finite) OR "ja ću kupovati mlijeko (od sada)" = I will be buying milk (from now on)" (non-finite).As they are auxiliary verbs, they are shortened. Each personal pronoun has a specific form (the above examples all use 1st person singular, which goes "Ja (je)sam & ja (ho)ću". I attached an image of a table of auxiliary verbs in Croatian. Focus on the 2nd column
>>225244179>Fucking pussy.Please don't hurt me Mr. internet badass
>>225245253Not at all what I was going for but I accept your concession regardless
>>225244590>TLeSurrisi
>>225245384>Surrisihahahae speravi ut aliquem illud verbum delectet
>>225245653Tali verbo ficto uti praestat quam aliqua quasi circumlocutione quam ipse usurpassem.
>>225245836praestat aliquando iocosum esse quam semper gravem tamquam magistrum.
>>225246043Certe ut dicis, praecipue cum in interrete loquamur.
>>225246086Non vis scribere verbis pseudo-Ciceronis in 4chan? Quam barbare hercle!
>>225246245Quocumque neologismo, quem Neo-Latinitas praebet, libenter uterer, praeter illam amentiam ab istis quasi gallis, qui se nec mares nec feminas esse profitentur et totam novam declinationem proferre volunt.
>>225243673Sounds like you just don't respect linguistic reasons for learning a language, which is fine. But I'm personally learning it because I love the language itself, and think that dialect studies are interesting. I think it's very unlikely I'll ever find someone to have a conversation with. You getting annoyed by someone talking about languages in a thread about languages is your own problem.But anyway, the pitch accent (≠ tone) in Lewis is very well documented, and beyond anything I've heard of in any English accent. It's true that these features are sometimes exaggerated but I don't think that's the case here. It was actually something I found myself doing inconsistently so I was fascinated to see that it was a systematic feature of the language (or at least of one of its largest dialects)
>>225246639illi sententias tuas tendent quia sibi utiles sunt.>>225246819>Sounds like you just don't respect linguistic reasons for learning a language, which is fine.I just prefer actually learning the language and think people soyfacing over celtic languages that they can't use is incredibly obnoxious.>But I'm personally learning itHave you read an entire book in the language yet? If you haven't, you shouldn't be so sensitive about the language's endangered status since it's not really "yours" yet. Like, go work and come back in 6-12 months and tell us all about how great this language that you actually know is. Your earlier posts about how you were happy to find out books existed in the lang at all makes me believe you haven't read any of them. If I'm wrong about that I'm just wrong though. For the record I've considered Scottish Gaelic myself for heritage reasons but I just cannot stand the E-larpers.I do think it's really gay to bring up medieval goidelic as if conversational fluency in some specific dialect of modern scottish gaelic enables reading of 1000 year old texts when as you put it dialects are radically different from region to region in the present day, like a modern Gascon claiming medieval Occitan Koine is the same reading material.>I think it's very unlikely I'll ever find someone to have a conversation with.A language with neither literature nor conversations, wowee!Fortasse lingua latina tibi melior sit, quoniam in hoc filo ipso scribimus latine et in multis locis quae in interrete sunt.
>>225210058Wes ðu hāl! Mīn wīf and iċ Englisċ leornaþ.We started a few weeks ago. On chapter 2 of Osweald Bear. Gā mid gode!
>>225243794>"radnici obojiše zidove nakon što očistiše sobeThis is also an archaic literary form, same as in Serbian.>"održava ideju obitelji da ugodna kuća ne zavisi toliko od veličine, nego od načina na koji se koristi"At first, "zavisi" rings to be a Serbian word weaseling itself into otherwise immaculate Croatian here, even though our dictionaries say otherwise. Colloquially, "ovisi" is almost exclusively used here, as well as "ovisan/ovisna/ovisno", though with derivative forms it isn't always crystal clear as can be the case with many other words.>bolesti ovisnostiCroatian>bolesti zavisnostiSerbian>zavisna rečenicaCroatian.Very good mastery of Croatian from across the river.
>>225247288*suas not tuas>>225246819I've been very vehement with you so I want to give you some practical advice on activating speech when studying a language with few speakers, one thing I do is go through an exchange I have online (or write my own journal entries) carefully issue-spot the latin, handwrite the whole thing down, and then record myself reading it aloud and basically save it as a short entry in a gradually growing podcast series of my own Latin. Even if you can only find one scottish gaelic learner online to do this with you can really generate a massive amount of highly productive study-hours out of it.Obviously you have to be careful to fix and avoid errors, but that itself is practice.If you ever go to the isles and actually talk to people make sure to let /lang/ know you made it. I want to make it clear that I unironically am rooting for your success.
>>225243794thanks for all the help.> but that's aorist, and it's pretty archaic (in Serbian, I don't know if it's used in Croatian).i try to avoid the aorist because like you say I think it's not really used. I don't think it's used in normal speech, but from time to time, i encounter it for very specific words in writing, like for reći, e.g. "..., reče [netko]," or biti "on bijaše...". I assume there is a difference in written and spoken register which contributes to its use as well.>>225244574i have some friends in BiH and wanted to learn a bit for the next time i travel there. i tried to think which standard would be the best compromise (bosnian, croatian, serbian). Basically, focusing on finding Croatian or Serbian texts seemed the only practical solution since there are relatively few resources for learning Bosnian of which I am aware. Since Croatian uses ijekavian and Latin Alphabet, that seemed like it would give me less trouble starting out versus Serbian, so that's what I did. At the end of the day, I know for native speakers, anyone speaking the standard language of any of those countries can communicate fine with each other, so I figured it really doesn't matter which one I picked.lots of good stuff for croatian and serbian online. one of these days ill make a learning chart...once im more advanced.>>225245151thanks. Did you screenshot this from a book or something? Aspect is hard, and I'm afraid I have to not only understand it conceptually (seems less intimidating) but also learn which verb in a pair of two verbs corresponds to the correct aspect. people have said that's the only way to do it, just memorize every verb pair with the aspect.
>>225247288>For the record I've considered Scottish Gaelic myselfHoly shit please learn it. Would be very cool to have someone else learning it here.>Have you read an entire book in the language yet?Oh hell no, having a tough enough time with the example passages and dialogs in my textbook. But I ordered a copy of a fantasyslop book called "Gormshuil an Rìgh" to start after I finish the first 三体 book.>you shouldn't be so sensitive about the language's endangered status since it's not really "yours" yetNot sensitive, just trying to drive up thread engagement and have fun with the banter. And I'm sure that's a decent part of your motivation for posting, which is all cool.>I do think it's really gay to bring up medieval goidelic as if conversational fluency in some specific dialect of modern scottish gaelic enables reading of 1000 year old texts when as you put it dialects are radically different from region to region in the present day, like a modern Gascon claiming medieval Occitan Koine is the same reading material.Actually I was trying to point out the age and heritage of the written language, not claiming it's readable with modern Gaelic knowledge. But it seems like Classical Gaelic might be quite readable with a strong command of modern Irish or Scottish.>A language with neither literature nor conversations, wowee!Unless you learn it ;)>Fortasse lingua latina tibi melior sit, quoniam in hoc filo ipso scribimus latine et in multis locis quae in interrete sunt.Ach cha toil leam Laideann gu mòran. Chan eil agam deagh adhbharan air seo — 's e gun cuir ri chèile mo cheann.
