>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious Thread:>>225208848
If someone were really interested in Celtic language, culture and literature, what would be a better hobby to learn, Irish or Welsh?
>>225314533I would choose Welsh. The whole situation with the Irish revival is kind of embarrassing for them as a nation
>>225314533Welsh 100% for the same reasons. Gaelic is the language of a few villages and of butthurt at this point, sadly. Welsh has a at least not-collapsing population and produces its own native literature. You can actually go to real towns in the core of their nation that people speak it in instead of having to go to the swamps of connacht or the isles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM4I3lCqKTAJag dog för några år senJag låtsas bara levaSå lever en förlorare
>Beginner1. I see Germany.2. Wednesday starts.3. We eat bread.>Easy4. The train arrives in Germany, and I feel happy.5. Do you see the Wednesday market?6. She walks through Berlin and takes a photo.>Medium7. When Wednesday comes, the streets become quieter than they were on Tuesday.8. I remember the German town that I visited last Wednesday.9. Although it was raining, we spent the afternoon walking around the city.>Hard10. By the time Wednesday evening arrived, I had begun to understand how the ordinary rhythm of German life changed from one part of the day to another.11. “Is everyone really this busy on a Wednesday?” I asked, watching people hurry across the station while the next train was already waiting.12. What seemed at first to be an unremarkable Wednesday gradually became a useful way of observing Germany, because the small routines of work, travel, eating, and social life revealed patterns that were difficult to notice during a shorter visit.
>>225314533Scottish Gaelic is the patrician's choice
>>225317465Unfortunately it's as dead as Irish Only Welsh really has anything going
>>225317593To be fair to Scots Gaelic it’s arguably more alive than Irish Gaelic since it has a real geographic core that is even interesting to visit. If I learned Gaelic I would absolutely learn Scots Gaelic. But Cymraeg (pronounced “cum-reyeg”) reigns supreme and as a matter of history the Britons are more interesting than the Hibernians to me.
However I ought to note that if anyone learns any old british lang BEFORE Latin in order to read history, they’re an idiot. Latin lets you read more medieval sources from Ireland, Wales, Scotland, or England than learning all the constituent old languages of those nations combined.
>>225317798How closely related are Irish and Scots Gaelic?
>>2253174171. Ich sehe Deutschland.2. Der Mittwoch beginnt.3. Wir essen Brot.4. Der Zug kommt in Deutschland an, und ich fühle mich glücklich.5. Siehst du den Mittwochsmarkt?6. Sie geht durch Berlin und macht ein Foto.7. Wenn der Mittwoch kommt, die Straßen werden ruhiger als am Dienstag.8. Ich erinnere mich an die deutsche Stadt, die ich letzten Mittwoch besucht habe.9. Obwohl es geregnet hat, wir verbrachten den Nachmittag mit einem Spaziergang durch die Stadt.
>>225317417Had to use a dictionary for this1. Videō Germāniam.2. Diēs Mercuriī incipit.3. Pānem ēdimus.4. Machina in Germaniam venit egometque gaudeō (not sure how to translate this, it's a bit awkward).5. Nonne forum diēī Mercuriī vidēbās? (I chose the past tense as the present doesn't make sense, even in the original)6. Ea per Berolīnum ambulat imāginemque facit.7. Ubi diēs Mercuriī incipit, vīcī tranquillior quam diēbūs Martis fierī incipiunt8. Oppidum Germanicum, quod diēbus Mercuriī inveniēbam, reminiscor.9. Quamquam imbere pluit, vespere in urbe ambulābāmus.10. Cum diēs Mercuriī invenīret, quōmodo norma modī vitae Germanōrum inter ūnam at alteram partēs dīeī mūtābat intellegere incipiam.11. 'Num omnēs dīēbus Mercuriī adeō negōtiōsī sunt?' hominēs trans aedificium properantēs, cum secunda machina exspectābat, vidēns rogāvī.12. Prīmum omnium dīēs Mercuriī ordinariam esse vidēbātur cum illa paulatim Germāniam modum ūtilis īnspicere esse īncipit, nam norma labōrum, itinerum, edere et vītae commūnis normās, quās brevī vīsitātiōne difficilis animadvertere fuerit, ostendit.
>>225318097Scots Gaelic originates in the middle ages as the Picts got MICK’ed by the Irish. So about that related. Oddly enough, that means English has a longer history in Scotland than Gaelic does. I recall reading older chronicles from the 1500s simply saying the men in the highlands speak Irish while the men in the lowlands speak English, but that chronicler didn’t get into the details, and obviously Scots (English) is quite different from English English.
>>2253189119. should have pluēbat, didn't notice
I misstated when I said longer, I meant similarly aged. >>225318914I forgot how old Dal Riata was.
Whomstever is in charge of OP, add https://archive.org/details/software as a way to procure rare game localizations.
>>225317417>Neach-ionnsachaidhTha mi a' faicinn a' Ghearmailt.Tha Diciadain a' tòiseachadh.Tha sinn ag ithe aran.>FurastaTha an trèan ag ruid a' Ghearmailt, agus tha an soras orm.A bheil thu a' faicinn a' mhargaid Diciadain?Tha i a' coisheachd tro Berlin agus a' gabhail dealbh.>Meadhann'Nuair a thig Diciadain, fàsaidh na stràidean nas ciùine a bha iad Dimàirt.Tha mi a' cuimhneachadh am baile Gearmailteach a thadhail mi Diciadain seo chaidh.Ged a bha uisge ann, chosg sinn am feasgar a' siubhal mun cuairt air a' bhaile-mhòir.
>>225319193Wir haben keinen Führer. Wenn die Zeit kommt, mach den neuen Faden mit deinem Link am Ende und es wird weiter kopiert.
>>225319676I don't speak Uruk-hai.
>>225319738i mean, german is close enough to netherlandese, right? you speak uruk-hello
>>225319193This kind of thing always draws me to Japanese.
What do you guys think about my method?>>225312301Please credit me when sharing it.
>>225320830It's Chinese, though.>>225320826I'm using VPN.
>>225320912What I mean is, I clicked your link, and on the archive, Japanese is the language with the 2nd most content after English
>>225320975The true 5-language list is French, German, Latin, Ancient Greek, Japanese
>>225321016What video games or anime are in Latin or Ancient Greek?
>>225320849Es funktioniert nicht.
>>225321076Wie weißt du?
>>225321343Wie weißt du *das?
>>225318911I'll give my two cents on those things that you explicitly showed uncertainty about:>4. Machina in Germaniam venit egometque gaudeō (not sure how to translate this, it's a bit awkward).If you're okay with Neo-Latin terms, then you could use "tramen" or "hamaxostichus" for "train." If you meant the "feel happy" part, then there are a plethora of verbs for that (laetor, exhilaro, gratulor, gestio, etc.).>5. Nonne forum diēī Mercuriī vidēbās? (I chose the past tense as the present doesn't make sense, even in the original)While "forum" does mean "marketplace," I think it refers to a fixed location. For a temporary market - which I think is meant here - I think it would be permissible to use a word like "feriae" (or "feria" in late Latin), following the example of "nundinae feriae," which were temporary market days that occurred every eight days in Rome.
>>225321050Minecraft has a Latin option, but I've never used it and so can't say anything about its quality
>>225321522i heard the vanilla latin translation isn't very good (i never tried using it) but someone made a translation pack that is supposedly better (i use it)https://github.com/DT-sama/Fodificiumit's not been updated in a little bit so some of the newer content is untranslated but the vast amount of the game is
>>225321343>>225321447Ich versuche diese Methode seit 18 Tagen und sehe keine Fortschritte.Das Output macht Spaß aber es hilft mir nicht besonders.
>>225321571>18 Tagen
>>225321050The idea is you put thousands of hours into mentally cultivating yourself and deeply engaging with poetry, philosophy, and literature in 3 of them, you live in English (native) and since you’re gonna log 10,000 hours in the meantime watching anime and gaming, you might as well learn Japanese.
>>225321562Oh I didn’t know that guy had made it available for download. I thought it was limited to his server.
>>225321802What if you don't care about poetry, philosophy, or literature?What if you only care about anime and games?
>>225321562>>225321522minecraft has crowd sourced translations so you can get any language added to the game as long as you get approved and you translate a minimum threshold of content, which is why there are a bunch of random irrelevant dialects and conlangs as options, though this means that the translation quality can be really poor because besides major languages (?) the translations are all done by amateur hobbyists and not people who actually know what they're doing
>>225321853I don't need to say it, do I
>>225322012If it was something pretentious, then no
>>225321853Get an AI to convert your subs to Latin then
>>225318911Stop using a dictionary directly before outputting.I'm not saying never output.I'm saying only output shit you know.If you looked up a word recently, don't use it in writing/speech until the next day.Using a dictionary as a crutch was my fatal mistake in previous TL, along with subtitles.
>>225321955How is the eesti translation?
>>225321853Just learn Japanese then and abandon “language learning” as a broader pursuit.
>>225322419No I will continue to learn languages I'm interested in (living languages) and ignore the dead languages.Good night.
>>225322078i'm not wanting to get tired from having to rely on this cold, soulless machinery to get my latin input :(
>>225322077No, more crude than pretentious
Can someone tell me who is the jordanian and what's the lore behind him? Why shouldn't i respond to him?
>>225323486He's a catamite who constantly talks about learning languages without ever actually doing so. If you try to give him practical advice then he'll just string you along until you get frustrated and stop responding
>>225321571how agatt is your agatt? are you going full balls to the wall german audio 24/7? ajatt originally you're supposed to literally nuke anything from your eyes and ears that's in any language besides your tl
I was thinking of going full AGATT but i am barely A1
>>225313086Hmm… so you’re saying that having no shame is an advantage in /lang/ing?
>>225323615>how agatt is your agatt?Nicht sehr, um ehrlich zu sein. Ich schaue Serien für 2-3 Stunden und lese für eine Stunde vielleicht.Ich verschwende zu viel Zeit auf 4chan und Twitter.
>>225323486you remember that question you asked about anki earlier? imagine asking that same thing since 2020 and anytime someone rightfully calls you out that you've been asking the same question for just about six years you tell them you've fucked their mother and how you're going to make it and they're not; repeat until understood
>>225317417>>225319539'Nuair thàinig feasgar Ciadain, chaidh a' fàs mo tuigsinn ciamar a bha an ruitheam àbhaisteach beatha gearmailtich ag atharrachadh de aon ùine an latha aig eile."A bheil a h-uile duine glè thrang ann an Diciadain?" dh'fhaighnich mi, a coimhead air daoine a dhèanamh cabhag tron stèisean am feadh 's gu bhith an ath-trèan na fuireach mar-tha.Bha an Diciadain air a bha a' chiad coltas a' bhith cumanta a' fàs gu toicheumach a' bhith achd feumail a' beachdnachadh a' Ghearmailt, airson nochd na gnàth-ghnìomhan beaga obrach, siubhail, ithe, agus beatha sòisealta pàdranan air a bha doirbh a cur umhail rè tadhal nas giorra.
daily dutch word: troetelbeertjesit means “cuddle bears,” but is the official dutch translation of “care bears”; it a “de” noun
>>225324133Do the plural form too, bitte.
bump before bed, gn /lang/
Am i tweaking or is he saying "und wo ist das den" instead of "und wo ist das"https://youtu.be/61WFy-2A61o?t=632&si=c0T-sEiTdYdGBr21
>>225326617Sometimes people don’t say exactly what they are reading from. Also, I’d day he says ‘denn’, not ‘den’.
>>225326832So does "denn" here mean "then"? Also it sounds very unprofessional to say an extra word that's not written.
For those of you who know English as a second language, which sounds have been hard to learn to distinguish from one another?
>>225328453review vs reveal
>>225329715brazil ahh answer
You know what would be funny? It’d be funny if someone edited every English word’s article in Wiktionary to include ‘Chinese accent’ pronunciation and change the /l/ phonemes therein to /r/. >>225327724Maybe it’s a modal particle thing. I don’t know.
Madainn mhath, a /lang/
>>225331205Whats a modal particle?
Favorite/interesting traditional insults in your TL?
>>225333607Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo pathice (I am going to [forcefully] sodomize and face-fuck you faggot)
>>225334934Kind of generic
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:why ever?
maybe add http://eja.tv to OP because you can find channels in languages even as memey as:>Uyghur>Lhasa Tibetan>Welsh>Wolofetc. proving that its possible to inpoot in any language for free
Need Spanish CI that's easy that isn't DS and isn't children cartoons. Please give reccs
>>225339559https://www.youtube.com/@spanishafterhours/videos
>>225339559What level of CI are you looking for? The two Youtube channels outside of Dreaming Spanish intended for learners I've found the most useful and enjoyable so far are these two.There's wide range of difficulty on this channel. I can give specific recommendations if you're on the lower end.https://www.youtube.com/@spanishboostgamingThis channel has a higher baseline difficulty I think. His podcast is also the best Spanish learner podcast once you get to the level to enjoy it.https://www.youtube.com/@espanolconjuan
Also, if you're having the problem that you find DS videos boring, skip over the DS videos you don't like watching. How many hours of input are you at, or how otherwise would you describe your current level?
>>225335684Catullus was anything but generic but i get where you’re coming from.
>>225339559I find history stuff can be easier since so much of it is shared political vocab or just “name did Y, then he did Z” etc.
>>225335684Another one of the top of my head I learned from Juvenal is calling a woman lupa “she wolf” (prostitute).Fellator is cocksuckerBut to defend Catullus, he penned that in his published collection of poetry, and its his opening to an expletive laden poem mocking his friends for taking his words too seriously and arguing for poetic license. Basically his point is that the words say nothing about his action, so when he writes beautiful love poetry people shouldn’t take him to be effeminate, any more than he’d be a gay rapist just because he writes a poem where he repeats twice that he is going to rape and sodomize his friends. I don’t have the poem memorized but there’s a phrase in there that basically means “old men who can’t get a boner.” Again this being just placed among one of the greatest poetry questions of all time. The poem was considered too vile to be translated until the 70s and even a lot of latin editions literally just excise the worst parts of it. So in our explicit and sexualized age it seems rather mundane, but in the latin corpus it’s extremely unusual and that lends it more force that is lost when relaying it to barbarians.In general though I’m having trouble thinking of anything that isn’t the purposely inflammatory or sexual stuff from some poems, because so much of the prose I read is so dignified in tone. Insults focus mainly on the virtue of the other so they’re sometimes given in a very rhetorical/roundabout manner in the works I’ve read. But maybe as I read more satirists I’ll find some funnier stuff.
>>225333607>>225335684>picta lupa barbara mitra.Painted-faced barbarous eastern-headress-wearing whore.Juvenal in Satire 3 rants about Greeks for a good chunk (and hellenized easterners) with a heavy mix of explicit insults and sarcasm.>Quae nunc divitibus gens acceptissima nostrisLike here he calls Greeks a nation most liked by Romans before just listing everything he hates about them (and greek-speaking orientals). Earlier in the Satire he speaks of Jews living basically as vagrants who sleep on straw in ancient Roman temples given to them as public housing.Medievals had their own insults too. Notably the Gesta Francorum author, who was a crusading knight, constantly refers to the muslims as pagans and vile pagans, and he writes the muslims as constantly praying to their many gods. Another crusade-historian who i’ve only read in excerpt refers to Muhammad as the spawn of the devil.The Romans, on the other hand, hated things that were weak, submissive, licentious, undisciplined, vain, foreign, or any mix of the above. They had like 10 first names to share between the males, and women would simply be named after their father (multiple daughters would mean each would go by “prima” “secunda” “tertia” and so on. Almost like they didn’t have real names and were just called something like “4th daughter of Julius” or whatever. I noticed when I read through Apollonius of Tyre, a medieval version of a late roman (greek) story, that the titular character’s wife, a princess, was referred to throughout the story simply as the “daughter of King…” even though she’s one of 3 main characters and is in a lot of the story.
>>225341248Yeah I figured that in his time it was considerably more novel, especially to put such things down in prose, even if they were common in speech. It's funny how aspects of culture we consider so modern have parallels from as far back as the late Roman Republic.
>>225331213maidin mhaith duit, mo nigga
>>225341806Feasgar math, mo charaid Lochlannach. Dè do chòr an deagh latha seo?
>>225342011D'ith mé píosa sicín níos luaithe inniu agus tháinig tinneas orm. Seo an post deireanach a dhéanfaidh mé.
>>225342764Am faigh thu bàs?
>>225341248Epigrammatists in general are good for mining insults in Classical languages. Martial has plenty for Latin. For Greek, you can see the so called scoptic epigrams in the AG
Uill, uill, cò a tha sin...?
>>225341669Their graffiti can be very vulgar at least, but those are commoners, that’s why Catullus 16 is so unusual. He’s not a satirist, he’s of equestrian rank (lower nobility) who ran in the noble circles of Rome, and personally knew and dined with men like Caesar, etc.
The results are in. It turns out, my testosterone levels are too high to learn a second language.
>>225343262I’ve only encountered the ones in Wheelock but I figured epigrams are ripe for outright memorization since they’re so short.>Non amo te, Sabidi, nec possum dicere quare. Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te.
>>225345217Epigrams are interesting because they are often occasional and ephemeral; i.e. they were written for specific occasions and contexts. For this reason, they provide valuable insights into social life in Rome on top of being downright funny in many cases. Martial especially exemplifies this ephemerality by constantly denigrating the value of his own poetry, calling it worthless and imagining his works being used as wrapping paper by fishmongers. Epigrams are in the running for my favorite genre of poetry
>>225345359>imagining his works being used as wrapping paper by fishmongers.You jest but the manuscript for an apostolic father, the scant few authors who were made bishops by the apostles themselves, I believe either Clement of Rome or Polycarp’s letters, were literally found in the 1700s being used as wrapping paper in a fish market by a scholar who recognized the greek characters when he was shopping.Catullus in his opening poem (cui dono lepidum novum libellum…) sort of denigrates his own writing, which I’m sure you’re aware of.
>>225345809Yeah, I think Martial uses the wrapping paper motif in a few of his epigrams, along with at least one where his poems are used as scratch paper by children for school exercises. There are some good articles on the representation of materiality in Martial, and these frequent, indirect references to physical book material in his epigrams have made him a premier source of information on book trade and construction in his time. You can find some similar references to materiality in Horace and Catullus, especially the one you quote.
your daily dutch word: levensbeschouwingthis word, which can be both translated as “life stance” or “worldview,” refers to what an individual regards as most important in his life; it is a “het” nountune back in tomorrow for another dutch word!
I think... I might be gay.
>>225346526where is the het
Is there an archaic pronunciation for non-archaic words in your NLang?In English, -ed as a past tense conjugation is used to always be pronounced as its own syllable, and still is when marked with a breve accent as in -èd in church hymns and poetry, certain words that are used alongside archaic vocabulary like set prayers as in blessed, and verbs that end in a /d/ or /t/ sound; otherwise the verb has no extra syllable but a /d/ or /t/ as the final sound depending on whether or not the prior consonant is voices or unvoiced respectively. I hear French songs that pronounce the silent Es, but that’s the limit of my knowledge.
>>225347368>is used to beused to be*
>>225346526>het noun>gayest fucking thing everYeah sure thing dutchie
>>225347368I like pronouncing the archaic p and ph noises in words like pharmacy and psychiatryhttps://voca.ro/1AUGcr6ESsDh
>>225340588Honestly probably less than 50 hours. I've mostly been doing anki and DS is a lot too feminine for me and I can't handle kids stuff. I've been watching stuff way above my level which might be bad? Not sure. Mostly documentaries and the podcast No Hay Tos
>>225347873Look at the back of the DVDs and Blu Rays you have and see if they have Spanish audio and subtitles.
>>225346526What is the plural form, vrijnd?
>>225347368Because what you are describing is strongly poetic as well as archaic, and used to fit the meter, I'd say the closest thing in Scottish Gaelic might be the old -ibh ending used in poetry with basic and oblique cases. Even in the 1920's, this ending was described as 'an old useless termination'.>...a' gleus bhur macaibh>"...sharpening your sons"might be rendered in a modern, less poetic fashion as>..a' gleus bhur micUsing the genitive case with indefinite objects of verbal nouns is also considered quite conservative now, but I'm not sure it could be quite labelled as either archaic or poetic. However, there are some particularly archaic ways of forming the genitive of some nouns, such as the more conservative>na coise>"the foot (GEN)"versus the form>na caswhich is identical to the basic case apart from the article being "na" rather than "a^L".
>>225328453It's rare but sometimes short vs long vowels specially when someone is speaking fast and there are lots of "weird" sounds around them like THs and Rs
>>225347368It's not archaic as in really fucking old, but we made some changes 20 something years ago and now we have this:> lingüiça (leen-gwi-sah), now written as 'linguiça'It's a long story, but G sounds different with certain vowels'gui' by itself should make a sound like gui in guitar, while güi is more like gwi, like goo-ee but with both vowels short.So, even though linguiça is now written without a ü, which would imply that it should be read as leen-ghi-sah, everyone still pronounces it the old way
>>225348748>It's not archaic as in really fucking old, but we made some changes 20 something years ago and now we have this:>made some changesPeople with artificial languages never cease to make me shudder
>>225349233Kekhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reforms_of_Portuguese_orthography#Timeline_of_spelling_reforms
>>225349233Modern Italian is basically a conlang made from scratch 200 years agoAlso English has gone through a fair few reforms, we have no grounds to complain
>>225349650>English has gone through a fair few reformsReforms by us and not some nebulous entity. Webster was just some scholar and people appreciated his work. Nothing makes me vomit internally more than the idea that you can just “make Italians.” Italians are supposed to naturally coalesce after centuries of unity and togetherness. Not because some party state is correcting how people say biscuit or banning the cider industry for not being “sufficiently italian.” Basically, people should be for their people, and if they are to be of a great country it should be because their people grew. Imagine if the Romans instead formed some Italian Republic and invented some koine of samnite and latin or some crap. It’s antihuman. Even Greek koine wasn’t like that, it was just a natural evolution of Attic as it came to be an increasingly widespread tongue.
I do not like linguistic populism doe. The way retards speak has no bearing on the tongue of Shakespeare, Milton, Jefferson, Gibbon, etc.
To put a point to my pseudointellectual ramblings, proper English does not follow from some decree, rather it emerges from the combined mass of the literary tradition as a great colossus who one can only see the outline of when trying to chart out the whole thing, but which may exhibit great intricacy and depth when examined closely.
>>225347873I'd suggest sucking it up and just commit to putting in the hours. I went though the same thing when I was a "superbeginner" (0-50 hours) and hardly made any progress until I decided one day I was going to buckle down and get serious. Plan to do at least an hour of input every day and see where you are after a month. I don't think there's anything drastically better than DS videos at that lower end of the difficulty spectrum. Look at Pablo's videos if you haven't already. Among the newer more feminine DS videos, the videos I enjoyed the most at that time were the skits (I guess mostly featuring Shel) and the videos with the "Let's play games" tag. Also, I found that even though I didn't like most of Andrea's videos, she has some vlogs that were still watchable, so keep an open mind. The further you get, the more outside sources will open up to you, and the easier it gets. If it's hard to stay focused for an hour, do a 15-minute chunk and repeat as necessary throughout the day to get your total goal time.
>>225347873>>225350313I started watching the Spanish Boost Gaming channel somewhere approaching the 100 hour mark, I think. This was a gamechanger for me. If you find the videos entertaining, you can rack up lots of hours really fast. The best starting videos are going to be the ones that don't feature much in-game dialog, and mostly consist of the host talking about the game. Of the series, I think the simulator ones (Supermarket, Water Park) would be good to start, or the Minecraft series, especially if you're familiar with Minecraft. (I wasn't, but he does a good job explaining what he's doing.) The next step above those kinds of videos are ones where there might be a story, but it's in the background and doesn't matter too much, like the Bloodbourne or Hollow Knight playthroughs. The RE4 (original) series is also good because he plays with the English dub, so the story isn't a barrier to understanding. Dreaming Spanish has some gameplays as well, mostly with Pablo, but they're generally more difficult than the easier videos on the SBG channel.Also when I was superbeginner, I started listening to the Cuentame podcast, so I could get hours while driving. It's kind of boring and "feminine," but it's the only thing I found listenable at that level. This helped me progress a lot faster than if I were only watching DS videos.https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cu%C3%A9ntame-learn-spanish-with-comprehensible-input/id1571791000The next easiest podcast worth listening to for me was this, but I think I started listening to it at closer to the 150-hour mark.https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/intermediate-spanish-espa%C3%B1ol-al-vuelo-podcast/id1762830230
>>225345199>>225346548maybe inject less of it
>>225346526>-ing>hethow
What do you think is the best approach to language learning? I know a lot of people take compulsory lessons in school which focus on mechanical grammar and vocabulary with very little time spent naturally talking, and end up hardly able to speak the language at all. Despite mandatory language classes in the US, UK, and Canada, most people are monolingual. I think part of the problem is motivation; it’s almost impossible to teach a language to someone who does not want to learn it. I don’t support mandatory language classes in schools for this reason. In high school I took a Spanish class which followed a different approach where we basically just talked about random things but could only do so in Spanish. Everyone in that class could make some attempt at communication, but our grammar was terrible. I’m now currently studying the grammar I missed out on with a formal textbook after finding new motivation to learn years later. I think that while the speaking-only type of class I experienced might be better than the grammar-only type of class most other people have experienced, it’s still a mistake. It’s going from one extreme to another. I think we could’ve gone way farther if we had like 10, 20, 30% of class time regularly dedicated to learning Spanish grammar rules like verb conjugations in plain English.
Is Russian learning kill? Everyone is learning German or Spanish these days. Are they more important than Russian or wtf?
Hallo Pru
>every language learning method is equally valid (it's not, i just say this because i don't give a shit about you and want you to fossilize and waste your time because you annoyed me with your retarded opinions with no empirical evidence)
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>>225351008>I think we could’ve gone way farther if we had like 10, 20, 30% of class time regularly dedicated to learning Spanish grammar rules like verb conjugations in plain Englishhere is the amount of evidence you have to support that statement (i still want you to try it anyway)
>>225352789Yeah yeah I should learn a fucking tribe language and wait for 500 years.
>>225352858you're a free agent in life turk, use your free will
>>225351008As a total beginner, learning how the grammar works and doing some vocab grinding with anki is helpful.But once you get past that stage, the best approach is my approach >>225312301 Please credit me when sharing it.
if i hear any foreign attempting to speak my language and i hear the slightest bit of a foreign accent/wrong grammar I'm switching to English
>>225352958>learning how the grammar works and doing some vocab grinding with anki is helpful.here is your source for that:
>>225353008>UMM... SOURCE????
>>225353144see>>225352630
>>2253174171. Я вижy Гepмaнию2. Cpeдa нaчинaeтcя 3. Mы eдим хлeб4. Пoeзд пpиeзжaeт в Гepмaнию, и я чyвcтвyю ceбя cчacтливым.5. Tы видишь pынoк пo cpeдaм?6. Oнa гyляeт пo Бepлинy и cнимaeт фoтoгpaфию.7. Кoгдa пpихoдит cpeдa, yлицы cтaнoвятcя тишe, чeм вo втopник.8. Я пoмню нeмeцкий гopoд, кoтopый я пoceтил в пocлeднюю cpeдy. 9. Хoтя и дoждь идёт, мы пpoвeли дeнь гyляя пo гopoдy. 10. C тeх пop, кoгдa пpишeл вeчep cpeды, я нaчинaл пoнимaть кaк измeнял oбычный pитм нeмeцкoй жизни c oднoй чacти дня дo дpyгoй.11. "Paзвe вce пpaвдa тaкиe зaнятыe пo cpeдaм?" cпpocил я, cмoтpя кaк люди cпeшили пo cтaнции пoкa пocлeдний пoeзд yжe ждёт.12. To, чтo c пepвым взглядoм кaжeтcя нeзaмeтнaя cpeдa, пoнeмнoгy cтaнoвитcя пoлeзным cпocoбoм нaблюдaть Гepмaнию, пoтoмy чтo нeбoльшиe пoвceднeвныe пpивычки в paбoтe, в пyтeшecтвии, в eдe, и в coциaльнoй жизни pacкpыли cлeды, кoтopыe были тpyднo зaмeтить вo вpeмя кopoтких пoceщeний.
>>225352958Grammar study is peak for priming the brain to notice while inputting, and I do a similar kind of split. Though I'd say it's useful even way beyond beginner level. I've spent the last couple of weeks going over advanced level Japanese grammar and while most of it I already knew or was obvious if you are confident with the fundamentals of the language, but there was also some new stuff that is new to me and now I've been noticing it being used in litterature which really makes it stick.
>>225353824Absolutely. It doesn't happen so often for me since I'm learning "easy" languages, but occasionally I do run into a weird grammar quirk and I look it up just to see what it is. I don't grind grammar rules, just reference it whenever I see something weird.
>>225353824>I've spent the last couple of weeks going over advanced level Japanese grammar and while most of it I already knew or was obvious if you are confident with the fundamentals of the language, but there was also some new stuff that is new to me and now I've been noticing it being used in litterature which really makes it stick.and thanks to that stupidity that you think helped you (it didn't) you'll have issues using that grammarhttps://www.reddit.com/r/dreamingspanish/comments/1u9hyzc/i_strayed_from_the_formula_and_now_im_paying_the/congratulations, you've played yourself
>didactics studies read: 1258>languages learned: 0state of /lang/
>>225355062>caring about what the dreaming Spanish dekinais think
>>225355062Interesting how when someone shares an experience that goes against your preexisting belief, you're skeptical. But then someone on reddit shares an experience that aligns with it, and suddenly you don't need any source, you take it as fact.
>>225355231>Then many things started to make sense to me. I remembered mistakes that I keep making over and over in English even though I correct myself every single time I make them. I also noticed that my most common mistake speaking Japanese is when applying one rule that I studied during my first week of learning Japanese, before stopping learning rules completely. However, I was correctly using some much more difficult grammar that I had acquired naturally without ever considering it as “rules”. For me that was just the way you say it.if your Japanese is better than Pablo's let me knowhttps://youtu.be/kmnr5lg5p1U
>>225355266>Interesting how when someone shares an experience that goes against your preexisting belief, you're skeptical. But then someone on reddit shares an experience that aligns with it, and suddenly you don't need any source, you take it as fact.your experience is literally nothing because you haven't been learning the language long enough to know I'm rightthe serbian studied german grammar is now years later he has problems because of itbut y'all are just retarded beginners, you'll never learn untill it happens to you
>>225355328> your experience is literally nothing because you haven't been learning the language long enough to know I'm rightWhat's my TL and how long have I been learning it?> the serbian studied german grammar is now years later he has problems because of itSo why do you accept his experience as valid? But if someone posts a counter example, you reject it without a source? You've already decided what you believe long ago, and any supporting evidence you believe immediately without question, but counter evidence you simply dismiss as false.
>>225355537>So why do you accept his experience as valid?he fits the pattern I've seen in many learners and in actual research >But if someone posts a counter example, you reject it without a source?which counterexample has been posted exactly?
what the fuck is going on in this autistic edition of /lang/
Clueless Lusitanian landlubbers: What’s the left side of a ship called?A British tar: Port, you geese!Clueless Lusitanian landlubbers: Yes, we know we’re Portuguese, but what’s the left side of a ship called?A British tar: Port too, gays!Clueless Lusitanian landlubbers: YES! We are Portuguese! but what’s the left side of a ship called?A British tar: Oh FIE!
>>225356077good try
>>225355867Today we have learned that anyone who has ever studied grammar or vocab is eternally cursed to never be able to learn the language properly.Presumably this also applies to native speakers who have been subjected to classes in their mother tounge during their school days. Which would explain why it's only people from third world countries without schools who are capable of natural speech.
>>225356525>Presumably this also applies to native speakers who have been subjected to classes in their mother tounge during their school daysonly a mouthbreather would say that as a serious counterargument babies had enough time listening to the language before even being able to study it
Is the idea of my father the idea of possession like my car, or the idea of belonging like my home ? Is it the same idea for my son?
new matt kino just dropped https://youtu.be/RdXM43Tcurc
>>225357188in what contextyou don't actually own relatives so probably the latter in any case
>>225357188my home, my car, my son, my father, all express the same idea -- there is a thing [home, car, son, father] that belongs to me in some way, are related to me in some way.I don't think what I am going to say below is really relevant to your question, but I think the relationship of a person and an inanimate object "feels" more like a relationship of possession. -- a house, a car, etc. The relationship of a person and a family member "feels" more like a relationship of belonging.
>>225357394actually ill simplify this"My" always expresses belonging. Possession is a sub-type of this belonging, which is used typically for inanimate objects, but also for farm animals, pets,There is also the type of belonging that expresses closeness which can be used for family, God.
>>225357394>>225357240i looked it up and it seems like it's technically neither, since in english and basically any other language using the possession construction for this, it denotes the existence or presence of a relationship with someoneso "i have a son/friend/father/boss/etc." is just all "i have a relationship with someone as my ..."though it really depends on what language this concerns because there probably is some ooga booga language that actually makes a clear distinction between possession/belonging like this
>>225357708I think I will take this advice. My father=father related to me. >>225357240 >>225357394 Thanks for the reply.
>>225351366I am learning Russian
>>225358381Why yes, I've just decided to keep learning it. How are you learning Russian? Nice to see someone doing it btw.
>>225357188Taiwan, eh? Konichiwa.* bows profoundly *It is as our Portuguese friend said. "My" indicates possession when used of things that can be property, but not when used of things (or people) that are not property. If there's a universal meaning, I guess it's that it indicates a relationship between you and the thing (or person) designated. It all comes down to context and a little bit of common sense.If you said, "this is my pen," people would generally assume you are the rightful owner of that pen, i.e., that it is your property. However, if a teacher distributed pens to the students in her class for an assignment and expected the pens to be returned at the end of activity, then obviously the pens are not the students property. It would be understood that "my pen" means it was the pen assigned for you to use, not that you own the pen. But then if, when it comes time to return the pen, you say "no, it's mine!" and refuse to return it, obviously you're staking a claim to it over the teacher's. Determining the exact meaning depends on the specifics of the situation.Unlike a pen, uncles are not owned as property, at least not in their capacity as an uncle. When you say "my uncle," that would almost always mean that he's your uncle in the sense that he's related to you as an uncle (and you're related to him as a nephew). The exception is "slave" (or a synonymous word), which means a person who is owned as property. The default assumption would be that "my slave" means you're the rightful owner of the slave. On the other hand, even if your uncle was your slave, people would assume when you said "my uncle" that you were still speaking of your familial relationship as uncle and nephew, even though he is your legal property.
>>225357189Matt-sama has put out some real bangers lately.
>>225358485Ok then. Nice examples are the pen and uncle. Even better than the slave one. I asked the question about I have a father yesterday before I figured out there is this kind of thread. Or I just opened it for attention. Maybe.
>>225358441I'm lazy, so just inputting right now. Watching videos, listening to podcasts (Russian with Max mostly) and recently started reading a graded reader by Olly Richards.
>>225358860>graded reader by olly richardsI wish I had a proper pdf of that. Do you have that?
>>225358923Got it already.https://libgen.li/edition.php?id=140724082
>>225359011I was about to post the same link kek
>>225357708exactly.>>225358485the pen example is exactly the one i wanted to give but was too lazy, thanks>slave examplekek
>>225353772>Пoeзд пpиeзжaeт в ГepмaниюWe don't really use "eздить" for trains, "пpибывaeт" would be more correct>cнимaeт фoтoгpaфиюФoтoгpaфиpyeт>пocлeднюю cpeдy. "Last" in this case should translate like "пpoшлyю">Хoтя и дoждь идётYou want the past tense here, "дoждь шёл">C тeх пop, кoгдa пpишeл вeчep cpeдыWrong tl on "by the time", what you used is more "from that time". We also don't say that the time of day "пpишёл" but rather "нacтyпил" when we want to say it began. So here it would be like "К тoмy вpeмeни, кaк нacтyпил вeчep cpeды".>я нaчинaл пoнимaтьHaчaл, rather awkward otherwise>измeнял oбычный pитмИзмeнялcя, you want to say that the rhythm itself is changing, not that it's changing something, so to note that you add a -cя ending.>"Paзвe вce пpaвдa тaкиe зaнятыe пo cpeдaм?" cпpocил я, cмoтpя, кaк люди cпeшили пo cтaнции, пoкa пocлeдний пoeзд yжe ждёт.Decent overall. Ждaл instead of ждёт, evening out the tenses. I've added the missing commas for you to compare.> To, чтo c пepвым взглядoм кaжeтcя нeзaмeтнaя cpeдaHa пepвый взгляд. I'd rather do "unremarkable" as "зaypядный" here (mostly gut feel, it's closer to "oбычный"). Case is wrong too, so you'd get "To, чтo нa пepвый взгляд кaжeтcя зaypяднoй cpeдoй">нaблюдaть Гepмaниюнaблюдaть зa Гepмaниeй>pacкpыли cлeдыYou will learn to hate translating "pattern", such a good catch-all in English. I want to say it's more "cтpyктypы" here, but it's not a perfect fit, don't blame you for this.>кoтopыe были тpyднo зaмeтитьбылo
>>225353824Grammar helps make input comprehensible in greater detail. But using grammar as the means with which to analyze will stunt fluency. The direct method for example is actually a great way to teach grammar, precisely because it teaches via input.
>>225360223>Grammar helps make input comprehensible in greater detailproof?
>>225358305>>225357708>though it really depends on what language this concerns because there probably is some ooga booga language that actually makes a clear distinction between possession/belonging like thisScottish Gaelic does (as does Irish, etc.):alienable:>an càr agam>"my car">an làmh agam>"my hand" (perhaps a severed hand, or something which is only metaphorically a hand which you own)inalienable (family members, body parts):>m'àthair>"my father">mo làmh>"my hand" (the one attached to my wrist)Curiously, there are some family members which use "aig" possession, even where the opposite-gender version uses genitive possession:>an duine agam, mo bhean>"my husband, my wife">an nighean agam, mo mhac>"my daughter, my son"Apparently, daughters and husbands are inalienable, but sons and wives are not...>>225359190>>225358485>slave exampleI wasn't able to find an example of the main slave word during a short search, but "ban-òglach", which is a female servant, handmaid, or female slave, uses inalieable possession:>do bhan-òglaich>"your handmaids"
>>225360400Download link here should work but the site I originally read the full dissertation on no longer exists. He details the direct method in detail since in his days it was a relatively novel approach.>The Frequency of Latin Words and their Endings by Paul B. Diederich (1939)https://hiberna-cr.wikidot.com/downloadsThe gist of the direct method is insofar as explicit grammar even is explained at all, it should only be after the constructions have already been acquired via input. He also details its usage in his classrooms and his decades of experience consistently turning out successful students with fluent reading. Another scholar from this period to look into is Sauvuer. His story is more sensational but he still taught a direct method kind of and it worked. Maybe a portugeuse-english speaker doesn’t need that for the easiest possible language he could learn on Earth (Spanish) but for an actually difficult language with highly irregular morphology and a primarily literary engagement like Latin, it becomes necessary.IMO part of why AJATT works for example is because Japanese grammar is extremely regular so people find great success with nothing more structuredbthan sentence mining and massive amounts of input.
>>225360634>insofar as explicit grammar even is explained at all, it should only be after the constructions have already been acquired via input.I think this principle is followed to some degree in the FSI course I'm doing. Verbal endings are given in a sort of piece-meal fashion, with only forms of specific number and gender being given in dialogues before being explained later. It's completely different than my experience learning Latin as a kid, when we were all given entire paradigms and conjugation charts from the outset. I see the wisdom in the direct approach, but I also don't think the "traditional" method is as deleterious as some here pretend it to be.>IMO part of why AJATT works for example is because Japanese grammar is extremely regular so people find great success with nothing more structuredbthan sentence mining and massive amounts of input.My theory is that most AJATT followers are unemployed and just have unlimited time for input, honestly.
AJATTers are one of these three>NEETs>high schoolers>working people with insane motivation who basically listen to input every waking hour
>>225314291>>225314291Today I learned a Chinese word 祂. I think it's created to translate the third person pronoun of God in passages in Bible. It was based on the original pronoun 他 in Chinese. There was also 她 for She in English. Being Chinese, they couldnt create a pronoun that is produced different from the original pronoun. These new words all sound the same. And now I see them appropriating the word for got and used it on their ancestors. They even used plural.
>>225355328>the serbian studied german grammar is now years later he has problems because of itNee, ich hab Grammatik nie explizit gelernt. Ich hab zu früh mit dem Lesen angefangen. Das war meine Sünde, laut ALG.Aber in Wirklichkeit bin ich einfach zu alt. Es hat Pablo und J. Marvin Brown auch passiert. Und es wird dich auch passieren, Brazil-kun.
>>225360634>IMO part of why AJATT works for example is because Japanese grammar is extremely regular so people find great success with nothing more structuredbthan sentence mining and massive amounts of input.what makes you think any grammar is easy to your brain? input is the only thing that leads to language acquisition, it works for Japanese, Russian or any other language >The Frequency of Latin Words and their Endings by Paul B. Diederich (1939)that article says literally nothing about grammar making input more comprehensible and doing a proper study about it (like having a control group with just CI vs CI and grammar), it's just listing vocabulary frequencyACTUAL studies that tested the nonsense you've claimed found grammar study is literally useless https://www.csun.edu/education/assets/take-away-tools/2013/krashen-ell-takeaway.pdf
>>225361470>Brazil-kun.why do you write like that? are you retarded? that'd explain why you can't learn a language with cases and genders if though your native language has them too
>>225353824memorizing verb/noun endings has helped me greatly with Latin, it would take an unreasonable amount of time to pick them up 'naturally' when you can just memorize all relevant Latin tables in a few months and know what you should notice in a textsome time ago I memorized German number formation rules and guess what? I can spontaneously, quickly say them, while I tried to learn Latin numbers just 'naturally' and it didn't 'just' stick to me. sure, maybe after you've read (just) these numbers for years you'll pick them up naturally, but you can memorize them in a few days without unnecessary suffering lol
>>225362284>I can spontaneously, quickly say themonly if you have the time to think about it. if you're in an actual conversation and can't focus onnthe language you won't be able to use memorized information (and the automation cope won't work either, your monitor doesn't become native language)
>>225362340this is absolutely not true, I've had in-person classes at a pretty low level and I was able to quickly say German numbers after a little bit of practice. I don't understand where this input only attitude has come from. I'm sure that if you weren't able to consciously learn grammar by studying from a textbook, or memorizing paradigms, universities, language classes, various other kinds of institutions, which want to teach languages as fast as possible, would end such instruction, but nobody is doing this and the whole comprehensible input 'movement' is just composed of internet language learning enthusiasts
>>225362421>this is absolutely not true, I've had in-person classes at a pretty low level and I was able to quickly say German numbers after a little bit of practiceI'm talk about having a conversation, when you have to speak without thinking about the language itself, not making sounds with your mouth like a parrot>I don't understand where this input only attitude has come fromit comes from actual research. it's already time people stop spreading nonsense with no empirical backing as if they were unquestionable truths https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339941201_The_Effect_of_Direct_Instruction_on_Pronunciation_Only_Evident_When_Conditions_for_Monitor_Use_Are_Met_1https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332212773_The_Inefficiency_of_Vocabulary_Instructionhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/351854052_Is_explicit_vocabulary_instruction_superior_to_just_listening
>>225362421>I'm sure that if you weren't able to consciously learn grammar by studying from a textbook, or memorizing paradigms, universities, language classes, various other kinds of institutions, which want to teach languages as fast as possible, would end such instructionwhy would they? it keeps retards paying them like hook line and sinkerif they told people they just need to watch videos and read books what would be the point of their institutions existing? people would just learm languages at homeand have you actually seem any of the people who are being "taught the languages as fast as possible" speak? because i sure as hell haven't
>>225362569>I'm talk about having a conversation, when you have to speak without thinking about the language itself, not making sounds with your mouth like a parrotwhat do you think people do in German classes? just recite numbers?I'm not interested enough in this topic to get familiar with this field. I don't think Stephen Krashen is a neuroscientist, so it's perhaps not for him to talk about what human brains can or cannot do.I know that Kaufmann is a popularizer of such theories, but his Russian accent is terrible (yes, this is an ad hominem)
>word for "cutlery" is just an acronym of the words for "knife," "spoon," and "fork"
>>225362251Chill mal, digga. Es ist nur ein freundlicher Spitzname für dich, inspiriert von der japanischen Kultur. Ich denke, es ist besser als "Anon", klingt zu generisch.
>>225351008>What do you think is the best approach to language learning?90% Input, 10% Output, aber... es funktioniert nur wenn du jung genug bist (25 ist zu spät).Und was wenn du zu alt bist? Dann bist du am Arsch, digga. Such dir ein anderes Hobby.
Do not complete translation challenges. Only do creative output challenges.
>>225363662>creative output challengesUnd wo kann ich sie finden?
>be me>studying my Hebrew>see word that looks just like the Latin word for it>cognates?.jpg>find out Quintilian says the Latin word comes from Punic, and this is what all etymologists citeNeat
>>225363662>>225363693I was actually thinking about adding some creative output to the translation challenge. I'll do a outpoot-themed one next thread. And then probably from then on a bit of a blend.
>>225363702What word?
>>225363079certain denonyms work good with -anon, like americanon, russianon, brazilianon, germanon, etc. -kun is very endearing. 'anon' is used alot but i guess that's just because a lot of denonyms have an 'a' near the end of their form that you can just affix 'non' to
*demonym *demonyms, i guess i have dyslexia or i'm just illiterate
>>225363693The vibe-coded app I use has them under "writing exercises".
>>225366782Post ein paar kreative Herausforderungen. Oder muss ich auch erst 100 Euro bezahlen?
>>225366973Yes. You have to support my gofundme. I ain't helping a g*rm learner for free.
>>225367246Das war ein Test und du bist durchgefallen. Wir brauchen keine gierige und selbstsüchtige Juden wie dich.Hier helfen wir einander, und zwar kostenlos.
>>225366329Hebrew מַפָּה (mapá), which in Latin is "mappa"
>>225362219>input is the only thing that leads to language acquisitionHoly shit you are so fucking retarded I LITERALLY AGREE WITH YOU. Is your favela monkey brain just not capable of understanding the field or are you just illiterate? It’s like you intentionally ignore anything anyone writes to you and just type out your rehearsed script anyways.
>>225323806it seems like wasting hours a day consuming english 4chan/twitter brainrot and the resulting addictive brain changes are a very plausible reason for slower language progress than wanted
>>225351366I'm learning russian. I've seen maybe like 5 other posters here that are learning it (not counting the dabblers)
>>225368584Luke himself I think memorized all the tables consciously while learning Latin, he was never (as far as I can tell) one of those extreme CI enthusiastsI will give one Latin example. If you see a subjunctive for the first time in a sentence, you'll notice (maybe, this isn't even guaranteed) that a word has a different ending, but what this verb means might not be at all clear to you, the subjunctive has many different uses and without knowing that, how could you possibly know what the difference is, for example, between: "Mārcus puellam verberāre vult" and "Mārcus puellam verberāre velit"? there is nowhere near enough information here, even if you read this sentence one million times, to understand what exactly is the difference. However, you can grab Wheelock's Latin, look at the subjunctive chapters and wow, you'll now know that this means that Marcus would want to strike the girlmy point is that there isn't enough information to 'simply' comprehend a sentence without additional information. If you don't have that information, it's not even comprehensible. but if you've memorized the endings, if you know consciously what the subjunctive is for (and how to tell), only then can you comprehend the sentence. In other words, if you don't comprehend it completely, you're not going to be learning anything and grammar study allows you to comprehend more text
>>225371683Ich hab 4chan schon mit 14 entdeckt. Es hat wahrscheinlich mein ganzes Leben ruiniert, und jetzt raubt es mir auch noch meine kostbare Zeit. Ich wünschte, ich hätte diese verdammte Website nie gefunden.
>>225372329I agree with you. I actually used the ranieri-dowling method at least for the nouns and adjectives and found it really helpful to just be able to read confidently/fluently. But I think the Brazilian doesn’t understand that by “grammar study” being a prerequisite for input I mean gist-level grasp and recognition of forms, nothing really more.Ranieri’s adaptation of the Dowling method is actually a great example. You familiarize yourself at a basic level with what the inflections even are, and you memorize which endings go with what type of word, best practiced by reading a lot.Like, if we’re talking about what I found productive, the time investment was/is 95% reading, 4% just memorizing forms 1% actually reading any english-language explanations. If anything, this approach left huge gaps in my ability to output cleanly (which just so happens to be what people who rigidly follow ALG have).The input caused acquisition. Nothing other than the input caused acquisition. However, acquisition has been easier and smoother once, after covering the core grammar VIA INPUT (direct method) I then really learned it in any detail.
I keep being exposed to and improving in Spanish against my will, despite it not being one of my active TLs
What’s ALG?Aged Language Geezers?
>>225373098Arsch Lecker Gemeinde
>>225373098The opposite. ALG means learning like a baby, the natural way. Acquisition Like a Goo-goo-gaga.
One of my exes with no interest in languages spent a summer with some of her Amish family and naturally picked up a lot Pennsylvania German just through exposure. I will never have any language-learning experience as sovlful as that
It's interesting to think about how many lexemes convey all that you could ever reasonably be expected to know in a language as a high level speaker. If you vary your input in the hypothetically most efficient way, how much would it take to be exposed to enough of the language? Is 100,000 words enough? Is 1,000,000 words enough? Is 10,000,000 enough?
daily dutch word: roomvleklieveheersbeestjeit’s a species of ladybug beetle (cream-spot ladybird); it’s a “het” nountomorrow will come another dutch word
How do I learn from contextual clues while having autism? Serious question
>>225374381Geschlechtsverkehr.
>>225317417Aš matau Vokietijos Trečiadienį ėmeMes valgome duoną.Traukiniai atvyksta Vokietijoje, ir aš pajuto laimingaTu gali matyti trečiadienį turgų?Ji vaikščioti į Berlyną ir (I have no idea how to write takes a phono, is it like sukūrė nuotrauka?)
>>225373417It does actually get easier learning languages when you have to from experience. You even want to talk back in English because you’re speaking so much in the other language.
sorry anons, i deleted all languages except nigerian pidgin and jamaican creoleyou have to learn one of those now
>>225374464No Tok Pisin?
>>225374464erryting gwan be iry
it's nuts how similar korean and japanese are grammatically. it sounds exactly like korean with the words swapped out. its even more similar in sentence structure than english-spanish or english-german
>>225375621It’s possible Japonic speakers were present in the Korean peninsula as late as the three kingdoms period. People shy away from stuff like the idea that Japonic came from Korea because it was used to justify Japanese imperial rule and attempted cultural genocide of the Koreans.
>JaponicSounds like a Sony sound system.
>>225363079you're literally a complete stranger to me, don't try to be endearing, what world do you live in? did your parents not give you enough affection? get the fuck away from me you creepalso, by writing in Japanese you're only potentially damaging my Japanese if i ever try to learn it which only makes me hate you, so go fly a kite
>>225372585You would have just found some other website, one that's equally addicting and time-wasting
>>225378349Impressive projection in this post
I'm developing a lahja called Jnábi (derived from Arabic أجنبي) that uses the Latin alphabet. Out of the way Maltese cucks, there's a new big dog in town.Vowels:a e i o uá é í ó úLong vowels get an acute accent, so á is /aː/, í is /iː/, etc.Consonants are mostly exactly what they look like, with these extras:j = /d͡ʒ/ś = /ʃ/ǵ = /ɣ/x = /x/q = /q/y = /j/' = /ʔ/I've also reduced /ʕ/ to just leaving behind vowel length, so you end up with something like:naʕam nám = indeed/formal yesʕamal ámal = work/doʕayn áyn = eyeThe definite article is basically the same as in normal Arabic. Sun letters assimilate and moon letters don't.al-kitáb = the bookas-suq = the marketaś-śams = the sunad-dar = the housePronouns are streamlined as well.ani = Iint = youhúwa = hehíya = shehna = wentúm = you allhuma = theyNo more dual because it doesn't matter anyway.Here's the daily challenge in it:>1. I see Germany.Ani aśúf Almánya.>2. Wednesday starts.Al-arbí'a yibda'.>3. We eat bread.Hna nákal xubz.>4. The train arrives in Germany, and I feel happy.Al-qitár yúsal fi Almánya, w ani ahiss mabsút.>5. Do you see the Wednesday market?Int tiśúf as-suq al-arbí'a?>6. She walks through Berlin and takes a photo.Híya timśi ábr Berlín w táxud súra.>7. When Wednesday comes, the streets become quieter than they were on Tuesday.Lamma yíji al-arbí'a, aś-śawári bisíru ahda min ma kánu yawm at-tuláta.>8. I remember the German town that I visited last Wednesday.Ani atdakkar al-balda al-almánya illi zurtha al-arbí'a al-mádi.>9. Although it was raining, we spent the afternoon walking around the city.Raǵm innu kán yimtar, hna qaddéna al-ásr nimśi hawl al-madína.
>>225378349Douzo, buraziru-kun. Douitashimashite.
>>225378349>study the language>get permanent damage>get naturally exposed to the language>get permanent damageHow's that working out for you?
>>225380218>get naturally exposed to the languagethe written system is not the language, and a romanisation of an asian language is even lessalso, i know some research that supports the idea of damage, but you're more than welcome to damage yourselves https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373508132_Orthographic_Effects_in_the_Phonetics_and_Phonology_of_Second_Language_Learners_and_Usershttps://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bilingualism-language-and-cognition/article/tuning-in-to-the-prosody-of-a-novel-language-is-easier-without-orthography/5A46BC3A2F5EF223322144EE508541A5
if you were born a Chad Thundercock you don't need any language, if you were born a sub-7 no amount of languages you learn will get you to live thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PPr4iWLH9c
German is really good for national anthem nerds. Every state has its own anthem and there are plenty of historical anthems including the Saarland Protectorate and the Free City of Danzig. Also, Belgium has an official German anthem, and don’t forget Liechtenstein!
https://geof950777899.wordpress.com/sla/krashen-6-serious-flaws-remain/>Nor does Krashen give any satisfactory answer to the question “If adults acquire a second language in the same way as children acquire language, why don’t adults achieve the same end state?” The Affective Filter Hypothesis is all Krashen offers as an answer, and it gets my award for The Most Audacious Bolt-On Hypothesis (aimed at rescuing a main theory) of all time.
>>225384466it's over for krashencelsit has just begun for Schmidt chads
>>225314533What if I told you there's a secret third option?
What's our name for the new Brazilian lolcow?
>>225378349what's your TL?
>>225385495Brazil-kun
>>225380802This is an example of ALG tards taking legitimate work by men like Krashen, inventing random shit based on misinterpreting it (Krashen recommended a lot of reading) and treating their inventions as dogma.
what's the difference between Filipino and Tagalog? I want to get into Austronesian languages and it seems to be the easiest gateway language
>>225384466I don’t see any problem with affective filter since I’ve seen with my own eyes someone go from barely able to get through customer service interactions to having extended fluent conversation in Japanese after downing a couple drinks.
Just met a Tajeet "refugee" from Afghanistan who denied that Persian was the language of Persians and that Persian came from Fars province, and that the Achaemenids spoke "Pahlavi" lmao.
Is there any point in learning a language of a people you can't physically pass yourself off as? In languages like English, there is leeway of course, but if you go to Croatia as a black man, NO ONE is going to approach you speaking Croatian, and the response to your Croatian-speaking ability is just going to be the typical soying you see on YouTube polyglot channels. What even is the point?
>>225386065What does it matter? As soon as you say more than a couple of words, they'll know you're not one of them as well.
>>225378349Oh... es tut mir leid, wenn ich dich beleidigt habe.>>225378551Nein, alles wäre anders.
>>225386148Just pretend to be retarded.
>>225385426As Cornishman myself, I'd like to thank you for studying our language. If you have any questions, I'd be happy answer them as I can.
>>225387101Dydh da, ow genderow
>>225387358>genderowthese leftist lunatics are ruining dead languages now too?
>>225387101I'm Basque if anyone has any questions.
>>225387385Nyns eus tyller vyth diogel anedha.
>get discouraged about language learning>start consuming english-language content again>english-language content features white women>have to listen to white women speak>disgust.jpeg>immediately go back to tl content only>repeat every ~3 months
>>225388371Pashtun?
I think I know why there are so many gay furries/scalies who want to fuck dragons now. It's from those Spyro games.
>>225385495>lolcowkill yourself >>225385683why do you care? (it's English)
>>225390108so you have an alter ego in your tl where you act like a tsundere when people reply to you with -kun?
>>225386065It’s actually better because you won’t have schizophrenia about your self-hatred for speaking the best language (English) natively and being the best race (Northwestern European). Unfortunately a lot of people torture themselves.
