I used to laugh at them for not being able to pronounce consonant clusters or words that don't end with vowels. I mean, how can pronouncing a word be that hard. Then I realized I can't pronounce "ngubu" as anything other than "nah-goo-boo."Okay, I get it now.
>>225523576It's because of how they spell it. You're supposed to pronounce it like 'ingoobu' no one will ever do this though because it's spelled ngubu.
>>225523603The i is supposed to be very short to the point it is basically pronounced with a starting ng
>>225523576>>225523603wait, you're telling me ngubu is not pronounced 'ngoo-boo'?
>>225523797Yeah it sounds like the end of 'thing' you just pronounce it with a nasal, but when you see the word you think nahgubu. And everyone also thinks the same, but it's not because they can't pronounce it the spelling is weird. Japanese lacks a lot of the consonants that English has and also doesn't have tones.
>>225523576English is spoken so far forward in the mouth, idg how people can speak Arabic and Slavic languages all day with all them gutturals
>>225523576normal in Europe, many languages have /ŋ/ as a realisation of spellings "ng" (e.g. EN "fang /fæŋ/") or "mg", but usually never at the start of syllables. so it's stereotypically Af'clickan or 'Nammese.you can say it as 2 interconnected sounds though then draw both together (i.e. about halve their lengths), e.g. try saying "fren 'n gooboo" then try making it more like "fren ngooboo".idk if it occurs in Indian languages, haven't seen a name with it, so maybe generally unusual in Indo-European langs.>>225523603>>225523923'engooboo; ingooboo; angooboo; ungooboo" are fine English approximations, making it end a dummy syllable. I think most people would read it in such a way if they had too unless they knew how to say it.but no the spelling is supposed to represent /ŋubu/ or /ŋgubu/, or /ngubu/ but with /ng/ as short as a single syllable onset sound.>>225523818no it is, Nguyen
>>225524245I'm not Nguyen, I'm Tran
>>225524384>Tran
>>225524384Ooo Tran-san konnichiwa
>>225523576>>225523923actually interesting that you both would say it "nah-goo-boo /na:.gu:.bu(:)/", to me reading "N /en/" like the letter would be more instinctive. but you may as well add the dummy vowel between the two sounds, but it sounds less like one sound and now it's spread over two syllables.in Japanese where "ng" is not a normal onset, but which does have "ん 'n' /n/" as only single syllable-ending letter, both ways are possible:>ナグブ 'na-gu--bu' /nagubu/ [na.gɯ.bɯ], [na.ŋɯ.bɯ]but more likely>ヌグブ 'n(u)-gu-bu' [nɯ̥.gɯ.bɯ], [nɯ̥.ŋɯ.bɯ], theoretically [(n).ŋɯ.bɯ] though "ヌ 'nu' /nɯ/" is not commonly devoiced as not necessary to approximate Western lang loanwordsas "-u" is more commonly devoiced (as in "desu " when it sounds like "des(s)")>エングーブ, Nグブ 'en-gū-bu' [en.gɯ.bɯ], [en.ŋɯ.bɯ]as if it's an English loanword>ングブ 'n-gu-bu' , んｸﾞブ , ク゚ ブ 'ngu-bu' [n.gɯ.bɯ], [(n).ŋɯ.bɯ], [ŋɯ.bɯ]'n' letter does not occur at syllable onset in normal Japanese words except some slang spellings, but could as possible spelling of /n/ or /ŋ/ before another consonant in loanwords. so this could be e.g. from Ainu.>ヌブ 'nu-bu' [nɯ.bɯ], [ŋɯ.bɯ]may be this in some speakers uninterrupted speech anwaywow Japanese + IPA so cool let's study both!! ok I'll take my nobody cares award, hope 4chang doesn't f up the IPA chars again
>>225523603I pronounced it En gubu
>>225525287I think for Japan you'd have to do イングブ to even remotely get the same sound. The 'e' sound in Japan isn't how the vowel works in English it has only one sound.
>>225524245>try saying "fren 'n gooboo" then try making it more like "fren ngooboo".ok saw in Jap that assimilation of 'g- /g/' to '-n-g- [n(.)ŋ]' after '-n- /n/' will also happen in English or most langs in across syllable or words borders in uninterrupted speech.so even easier would be saying just "fren Gooboo", like in "ingooboo" but also "in Gooboo"; maybe easier to separate the sounds between word boundaries. some speakers may also assimilate '-ng-g-':>"gang gang" /ɡæŋ ɡæŋ/, ['ɡæŋ 'ɡæŋ], ['ɡæŋ ŋæŋ] >'ganggang' /ɡæŋ.ɡæŋ/, ['ɡæŋ.'ɡæŋ], ['ɡæŋ.ŋæŋ] ~ ['ɡæŋ:æŋ]so you may even have for some speakers essentially a long [ŋ:] that's probably pretty rare in languages as a phonemeambiguous syllabification:>'gangang' : 'gan-gang' ['ɡæn.'ɡæŋ], ['ɡæn.ŋæŋ] like 'an-goo-boo'>'gangang' : 'gang-ang' ['ɡæŋ.'æŋ], ['ɡæŋ.æŋ] ~ 'ga-ngang' ['ɡæŋæŋ]second is akin to>'banger' : 'bang-er' RP /ˈbæŋ.ə/, [ˈbæŋ.ə] / GA /ˈbæŋ.ɚ/, [ˈbæŋ.ɚ]'-er' is always unstressed so you could unusually syllabify it as >'banger' : 'ba-nger' RP /ˈbæ.ŋə/, [ˈbæ.ŋə] / GA ˈbæ.ŋɚ/, [ˈbæ.ŋɚ]ok if you understood wtf I wuz sayin mayne u can now greet muh homie Ngubu
