If Jesus was God, how come nigga got killed by a bunch of regular humans? Isn't God supposed to be very powerful Also why did he beg God for help before dying if he was God, Im very confusedDo people in your country have answer? Hmm?
all part of the plan
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It's the inversion of everything intuitive and the crux of the universe. Theres a reason our year is 2026. Mark 10: When the ten heard about this, they became indignant with James and John. Jesus called them together and said, “You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
>>225761674okay but nigga quite obviously didnt want to be killed and was asking God to help him out why did he use his powers or some shit if he God
>>225761532at first he was regarded as the messiah by his disciples because there's no way jews would think of him as himself or even the son of god since god doesn't have a family in judaismit was only later retconned after his death that he was actually god that sent himself to die o algo or however the fiction is written to avoid the heresy of worshipping both god and a mortal
>>225762213*think of him as god himself
>>225761674>Theres a reason our year is 2026because last year was 2025?
>>225761532who actually gives a fuck about any of this
>>225761532have you ever seen code geassyeah it's kinda like that
>>225761532Dumb idol worshipping revisionism. Jesus was a normal dude, he wasn't god any more or less than you, me or anyone else. What he did and he isn't the only one, is to set a model for the human race to ascend their consciousness . If you actually listen to his words and practice his teachings it helps your soul develop and mature. Naturally with a thousand self interested revisions and retranslations and reinterpretations the entire message becomes muddled but if you know what to look for his message is still there.Imagine the absurdity of reinterpreting your god's words, you think this guy is god himself perfect in every way and yet you deign to say "that's not actually what he meant". And then even worse the people that don't even absorb the words, they just put him on a pedestal and grovel when the whole point of what he says is you are him and he is you, there is no real distinction beyond knowledge and practice. We are all sons and daughters of god and we can all do what he did, in fact we need to. That's the only way you escape the madness of the collective human consciousness. Not to separate from it but to elevate it. So long as enough of us believe dumb ignorant shit, it is perpetuated. Jesus was only offering the truth. "The kingdom of god is within you". That's clear, unambiguous and inarguable. Don't reinterpret it, don't contextualize it, take it on its own as a statement meant for you right now. What does that mean? What is he telling (you)? You have everything you need within you, there are no stipulations and conditions, only the practice needed to remember what you already knew as a child. Matters of spirit have nothing to do with faith, you don't need faith to learn to walk or talk or fly a plane, just practice and will.
>>2257615321. That was going to happen and was prophesied already. You can even see the foreshadowing in psalm 22. Jesus was going to preach in the name of the Father and the pharisees were going to scheme against Him and condemn him to death because they were worried they were going to lose their status and worldly power. A saint said that God allowed himself to die so that even death might be His so that people could be freed from death. Though they did a horrible thing against Jesus, in this adversity the worthiness of God was proved as Jesus was resurrected. Jesus took over him the sins of the world so that the world could be atoned and the 'world' was going to kill Him. 2. The Holy Trinity means there is one God (one 'ousia') manifested in three separated Persons. Jesus relates to God the Father who beget Him (see Psalm 2).Look, if you are going to call this 'copium' or anything like other 'debaters' you are the one who initiated this discussion to be presented with different perspectives
>>225762159>didnt want to be killed and was asking God to help him outThere are, I think, four (canonical) gospels?Essentially four different testimonies of the life of Jesus. Not every testimony depicts Jesus not wanting to die.For instance, the gospel of luke has the Jesus saying "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do".So it depends on what gospel you are referring to. And, even then, perhaps each gospel just tells a part of the story.
>>225762159Psalm 22:1:Prophecy: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from my cries of anguish?"Zechariah 13:7"Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd, And against the man, My Associate," Declares the Lord of hosts. "Strike the Shepherd that the sheep may be scattered..."Isaiah 53:3-4, 6 :Prophecy: "He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain... we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. And the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all".Christ foretold of His death multiple times throughout the Bible. Crying out during His passion fulfilled old testament prophecies of the messiah and being obediant unto death emphasized human nature which he redeemed as the new Adam. All of this stuff is extensively covered by people much smarter than you or I.
>>225762746UhhhhI am quite sure Jesus did not treat Himself as 'just a dude' and took His mission quite seriously. He asked the apostles to perform the eucharist in His memory after all. But yes, He did say we can do wonderful things like He did if we have faith
>>225761532>how come nigga got killed by a bunch of regular humans?Jesus death was meant to happen. His perfection and sinless life was put to death in order fulfill the old laws and bring in the New Covenant where we're no longer bond by Judaic laws, but through Jesus's salvation.>Also why did he beg God for help before dying if he was God, Im very confusedJesus at that moment was human, he contained human attributes including emotions. > “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” - Luke 22:42He knew what was to come and asked God to be spared, but accepted and submitted to the Father's will.
>>225761532They're the same thing but they also aren't the same thing now stop thinking about it and give your money to the church.
>>225762915His mission wasn't of just a dude but he was. There wasn't anything singular about him anything he accredited himself of was to signify what we as people must do and see in ourselves. He's a guiding light, a principle and a practice. It's essential to his point that anyone could do it given the commitment.
>>225761532>If Jesus was God, how come nigga got killed by a bunch of regular humans?Because dying was the purpose of his coming. God became man to experience death as a man does and defeat death through resurrection, and by doing so allowing mankind to defeat death. Through communion, one is joined onto the flesh of Christ, becoming part of his body, the body that went through death and resurrection, so that you too can triumph over death. People who misunderstand Christianity tend to focus too much on Christ's teachings when his birth, death and resurrection are actually the most important things he did.>Also why did he beg God for help before dying if he was God, Im very confusedBecause he possessed both a divine and a human nature. Christ as man felt the fears and doubts a man does, but at the same time he was still God.
>>225762746>I and the Father are one
>>225761532The Trinity is a concept that can never be logically explained or comprehended; by its very nature, it belongs to the realm of faith.I consider it a mental acrobatics and agree with >>225762213, but since Christians are the least harmful of all religious groups, I don’t really feel the need to burn their storybooks.
>>225763018If person A assaults person B and Christ comes and tells person A that he is forgiven, then Christ is clearly placing himself in a special position, otherwise he would have no business telling person A that he is forgiven when it is person B who is the victim. Only a divine person would allow themselves to decide who gets to be forgiven for wrongdoings commited to a third party.
>>225762213So why did the Jews want him killed?
>>225763156because he claimed he's the messiah while he wasn't or something along those lines
>>225762159Not fully true, in the moment somewhat yes because it's painful but he knew what was coming beforehand and didn't flee>>225763078How? It's basically like the concept of H20 manifesting either as gas, water or ice. God can manifest as the father, the son or the holy spirit. It's not difficult logic
>>225763045This applies to you as well.>>225763133Again he is a template, you should forgive someone their sins. To act in this way is good for the development of your soul. Holding grudges over human failings will cost us twice, your soul is marred by hate and the person is condemned for their ignorance. If you don't set an example you cannot expect people to improve.
>>225761532The atheist girls will never notice you, heathen.
>>225763543I've heard that your analogy is a classic example of modalism(a heresy)
>>225763697no, i am not god
>>225763491They killed him because he claimed equality with God. So how is the apostles preaching him to be God "retconned" when the reason why the Pharisees wanted him dead was because of blasphemy?
>>225761532It makes no senseI find it very silly how:1. I made everything but I can't delete evil or undo my mistakes2. Looks like mankind is sinful, I will make myself be born by cucling this random Jewish carpenter but at the same time stay as a god to save them from what I essentially created (themselves).3. Looks like I have taught something to 12 people that made some people angry, better let them kill me4. I died therefore I won5. Well my work here is done (WHOOOOSH), y'all saved!!!6. I'll ignore all the horrors and sins that men have done ever since, they are saved or something7. Maybe one day I will go back down there and kill everyone who is evil or non-christian.8. Meanwhile I will spend the ages making more animals evolve into crabs and giving cancer to random people for fun.
>>225763931You think you are separate from god? What makes you special?
>>225763937>They killed him because he claimed equality with Godno they didn't, the only gospel where it's implied he equaled himself with god is john which was written several generations after the death of jesus. That's precisely the rectonning i'm talkling about
>>225764080>no they didn't, the only gospel where it's implied he equaled himself with god is john That isn't true, but of course you'd say that as you've never read the New testament. There's multiple examples in Mark, Luke and Matthew of Jesus's divinity such as forgiving sin, making new laws and claiming that he'll be sitting in the right hand side of the Father.
>>225764499>already moving the goalposts from literal God to le divinitylike i said, with every new gospel there's new details about jesus suddenly being discovered through a celestial broken telephone gamebtw there wasn't even an infancy narrative in the original gospel mark as the story begins with jesus already an adult even tho it's supposed to be a centerpiece in christianity that he was born to a virgin mom
>>225763812Yeah depends on the church. I'm not any sort high church I think it's a shame people got to call certain things heresies and that locks in their belief for that church just because that was an influential person's opinion early on and that can just write off any further theological discussion about it with that church. I find the trinity a bit bizarre and gets close into veering into the realm of polytheism although they of course still believe in one God so I think someone can be trinitarian and modalist and end up fine also
>>225764752You didn't say that and you're the one who keeps moving the goalpost. Mark doesn't need to talk about his infancy as it was focusing on his ministry. And when looking at Paul's letter which were written decades before the Gospels even he was preaching about Jesus's divinity and his divine origin. Before shifting the goalpost you originally said that Jesus's divinity was a later addition in the book of John and I'm here proving to you that isn't true.
>>225762850if Jesus was the Messiah, why the prophecies about the Messiah aint come to happen? Lambs sleeping with lions and everything being all nice and shit
>>225763974funny post but it would be funnier if it was in the format of a smug wojak o algo
>>225765116The Three Persons of God in the Trinity coexist and relate to one another. In modalism from what I understood it is like God changing roles. In the Trinity God the Father has somewhat of a principal role as He begot the Son and the Holy Spirit. I think only Mormons relate to the Trinity as three gods working together or something
>>225765402one thing I dont understand about the Holy Trinity thing is that its very absent from the Old Testament like in the Old Testament, God is literally a nigga walking around in his garden and stuff, very hands-on, he creates Adam in his image and you get the feel like hes an actual guy no mention about Holy Spirits or different allotropes of God or nothing then niggas be like "oh but God can come in different forms :)" like nigga what where does it say that??
>>225765159>And when looking at Paul's letter which were written decades before the Gospelsokay so how many times did he mention mary in his earliest letters? that's right zero (0) you retard, so thanks for confirming that notion was only conceived (no pun intended) later, just like the notion he is THE god as paul didn't regard him as such, but really i don't care what paul as to say about jesus since he never even met him, but about the jews that actually lived with him when he was alive, and none thought of him as divine let alone god
>>225765590*meant the jewish authorities but may as well be for the vast majority if not all jews
>>225761532>God reincarnated himself as a Jew and allowed himself to be tortured to death by goyim to redeem humanity of its most vile sins, which he created in the first place >The unhinged God from the Old Testament that conjured bears to maul children is totally not demon. That is heckin heresy o algo What about the souls who died before the coming of Christ like Plato and Aristotle? Are they just damned for all eternity in Hell for the crime of being born too early?
>>225765486I always thought the Holy Spirit was basically Christianity’s equivalent of the Force. His presence exists within all of us, it’s just that some are more attuned to it o algo.
>>225765486According to what I read on the Korean wiki, Jesus did not originally discuss ontology, and while he referred to Yahweh simply as “Father,” he did not precisely define the relationship “between” them.However, the Greeks in the Eastern Mediterranean, who became the primary recipients of his teachings after his death (and resurrection), were already well-versed in logical philosophy, so they persistently pressed that point, asking, “Then isn’t Jesus something like Apollo, the son of Zeus? Doesn’t that make your religion polytheistic?” So consequently, the early Church Fathers were forced to develop a doctrine to defend against this, and that is how the doctrine of the Trinity emerged.Since this concept was illogical from the start (three distinct beings simultaneously being one) any attempt to explain it in a way that humans could understand was condemned as heresy.
>>225765590>how many times did he mention maryThat's not the point of the argument and it's obvious that you're clinging hard to it because you realize you cornered yourself and you can only move the goalpost so many times >like the notion he is THE god as paul didn't regard him as such"while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ" Titus 13>i don't care what paul as to say about jesus since he never even met himPaul met with Peter, John and James Jesus apostles and they accepted which legitimized his preaching
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>>225766290the point of the argument is that the entire history of jesus is retconned and i don't have to cling to anything because it's painfully obvious to anyone who didn't grow up with religious upbringing, it's you who need to come with terms with the fact you believe an ancient comic book saga to be realif you think it isn't peculiar that mark nor paul mentioned the virgin story even tho it's one of the prophecies that jesus allegedly fulfilled? that's a (you) problempaul never mentions either james or peter share his opinion of jesus, you may be thinking of peter's epistles but they were written later and not even by himanyway none of this has anything to do with the reason he was executed and there's not a single mention he was executed because of his alleged divinity anyway
>>225766583what made you think this is the right thread or forum for this
>>225766631>if you think it isn't peculiar that mark nor paul mentioned the virgin story even tho it's one of the prophecies that jesus allegedly fulfilled?No it's not peculiar to me because once again, the book of Mark was about Jesus's ministry, not infancy and Paul's letters were meant for other Christian communities to settle disputes, not a biography of Jesus's life. >paul never mentions either james or peter share his opinion of jesusYes he did."As for those who were held in high esteem—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism—they ADDED NOTHING to my message. On the contrary, THEY RECOGNIZED that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised" Galatians 2:6-9 Paul after meeting the Apostles.>not a single mention he was executed because of his alleged divinity anywayMark 14:61-64"But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” And the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further witnesses do we need? You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?” And they all condemned him as deserving death.""And they all condemned him as deserving death""And they all condemned him as deserving death"
why didn't jesus do this to the romans that killed him ?
>>225767461wtf did he died
>>225761532The trinity, nigga
>>225767461God works in mysterious ways
