Boy Love Edition>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious Thread:>>225852097
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>>225920844yall mind if a white boy speaks a lil español tonight?
>>225920844Fuck off fag this isn't /cm/
can you understand his english? https://youtube.com/watch?v=5DKLc2yfOak
>>225921477>Y’all be laughing but you don’t know how hard it is to speak ancient Egyptian.I keked>>225921244Nope
Are there any arab learners here? I wanna help you and answer your questions
>>225922816Arabic learners*
>>225922816There's some other Turkish guy learning Arabic here.
Last bump before bed
I love you guys, but this theme... I just don't really want to post in this thread.
Good morning.Much like learning a language, boy love is impossible after the age of 25. You only have a finite number of years of being a hot twink before it's over for you.
>>225926066There's no scientific proof that you can't learn a language after 25.
>>225926093"Science" is whatever the powers that be want it to be. You don't make any money by telling goys the truth. Courses, textbooks, educational programs, it's a billion dollar industry. Imagine telling people it's impossible and you lose most of your market. Ahmed can totally integrate at 30 years old, he's practically a blank slate, but it will take many years of government funded education of course. Also takes this experimental mystery juice for a flu with 99.999999% survival rate, I promise it won't have side-effects :)I'm permastuck, I don't need a study to tell me what's in front of my eyes.
>>225926168Loser mentality.
>>225927422Are you winning, Ivan? Tell me your language learning achievements.
i did 3500 reviews today over 5 hours
>>225927552Finished two chapters of chink manga unaided yesterday, what of it?
>>225927575So you're in your first year? Thought so.
>>225927556What language?
>>225926066hop on estrogen
>>225926168Find a different hobby then, because this one is clearly driving you mad and causing you enough distress to be a bitch about it on the internet.I'm in my mid 30s and my Portuguese is getting really good.
>>225920844i wanted to improve my spanish but a mexican poster in /lat/ told me i can only post there if i spit on the israeli flag and when i told him israelis are friends he called me a nazi
>>225927665Much like learning a language, the trannies that get the best results are the ones that start taking hormones in childhood, not when they're 25. The agepill is brutal and encompasses every domain.>>225927685Every skill-based hobby is like this unfortunately. You're fucked if you actually care about getting good beyond mediocre.>I'm in my mid 30s and my Portuguese is getting really good.My German was getting really good until it didn't. If you haven't spent 3+ years on a single language, you don't have the context to understand what I'm talking about.
>>225927767>My German was getting really good until it didn'tyes that's what ALG says will happen but people don't believe it until it happens to themPeople who speak early don't know about their ceiling/plateau, they think they'll just keep growing. It's very rare for a structural method learners' ceiling to be higher than 70% in a language like Thai even if they're also getting input. https://youtu.be/Gal92k-EtBw?t=5963>You're fucked if you actually care about getting good beyond mediocremaybe ALG was just right all alonghttps://direct.mit.edu/jocn/article-abstract/24/4/933/27741/Explicit-and-Implicit-Second-Language-Training?redirectedFrom=fulltextyou just damaged yourself from the beginning and got the results that you'd get because of it. all the other people here will experience the same thing except the undamaged ones who did ALG right from the start (me)sorry mate, see you later. my German is going smoothly
>>225927767>>225928072just to give you an example, im at 94 hours and I can already understand Peppa Pigmeanwhile, the Dreaming Spanish learners (who don't follow ALG and start damaged) only understand after 150 hoursin the best case scenario (usually they can't understand it even after 200 hours)for Japanese the same, I'm basically undamaged compared to these people https://www.reddit.com/r/CIJapanese/comments/1tig5ge/comment/omu6zp3/https://www.reddit.com/r/CIJapanese/comments/1tatan0/200_hours_downmany_more_to_go/im at 178 hours of Japanese and I watch videos of higher difficulty than both those people too. the difference? they damaged themselves with Anki, with classes, with Genki (a textbook). i never studied Japanese in my life.it's just like Marvin Brown described:>Take our curve (up from zero, bending to the right, and leveling off to 100) and put it in a box. Then watch what happens to it as we apply two different forces to the box: ‘how much’ and ‘how right’. A lowering of ‘how much’ (lower understanding) lengthens the box (it takes longer to get the same result). A lowering of ‘how right’ flattens the box (it squeezes down the result). When ‘how much’ falls to 50% understanding, for example, the box stretches the curve out to twice the length (everything takes twice as long), and a 60% grade takes 1200 hours of class instead of 600. >And when ‘how right’ falls to 60%, the box squeezes a 60% grade down to 36 (60% of 60%). Damage is like a weight on the box’s ceiling, and ‘ceiling’ (C) becomes our new parameter—the new mark that the teachers have to turn in.literally, what takes these people 1200 hours who do everything wrong thinking they know better (flashcards, shadowing, textbook and grammar study, taking notes, studying pronunciation, things like Refold) will take me 600 hours or less
>>225927767>If you haven't spent 3+ years on a single language10*
What does this Russian sayhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/DfJltAfScrA/
>>225928292>im at 94 hours and I can already understand Peppa PigProbably because Peppa pig is designed for newborns and nonverbal autistic children
Saying that you, as a 20 or 30 something male adult, can understand Peppa Pig after tens of hours of watching episodes, has to be one of the funniest brags I've seenOh, you've already outwitted newborns and autistic children that will never know more than 10 words entire life? Truly, your future wife will be impressed
>>225928463Japanese learners read Yotsuba&! in japanese as their first manga and it's a manga for children. What's your point?
>>225928502Yotsuba is understandable Peppa Pig is quite literally designed for newborns for stages prior to language acquisition. What's even funnier is that he's probably sat there for hours watching episodes of it, believing he's some sort of savant because he can decipher the word breakfast when a pink cartoon pig's parent repeats the word loudly again and again and again.
>>225927710Lol stay in your containment zone Hans
>>225928463>Saying that you, as a 20 or 30 something male adult, can understand Peppa Pig after tens of hours of watching episodesI haven't been watching peppa pig episodes, i just tried one to check my listening >has to be one of the funniest brags I've seenlet me know how many hours it took other german learners then. or even better, ask the Japanese learner how many hours it took them. im sure you'll laugh even more>you've already outwitted newborns and autistic children that will never know more than 10 words entire life? you're British and you don't know peppa pig is just a normal show children watch?im not outwitting any native child, im talking about you language learners >>225928584>Peppa Pig is quite literally designed for newborns for stages prior to language acquisitionprior to language acquisition? language acquisition already starts in the womb, and by the time the child is 2 years old they already had 4000 hours of input (the programme is designed for children between 2 and 5 according to thishttps://tvtantrum.com/shows/peppa-pig not newborns)>What's even funnier is that he's probably sat there for hours watching episodes of itive been watching ALG German, comfy german, and Naturlich from the beginning actually. im not one of those ajatt people who think you should use native media from the start>believing he's some sort of savant because he can decipher the word breakfast when a pink cartoon pig's parent repeats the word loudly again and again and again.i don't try to decipher any words, i just understand them like any normal person in their native language, either through context or just the sounds themselves. and it's not about me, it's about the method now the question is what is your target language mate? and how long did you take you to understand something as easy (according to you) as Peppa Pig? have you even reached that point yet?
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>>225928845>language acquisition already starts in the wombThis is the dumbest thing I've ever readPerhaps they'll use the language acquisition phase of pregnancy to better guide abortions
>>225928845Alas, I am just some troglodyte who learning Spanish reads sonnets, verse, and prose! This isn't a pissing match and I do not care. My ego isn't so flustered when I see other learners of different capabilities that I feel the need to tell my language hugbox how well I can outmatch infants.And it is for prior to language acquisition. The show is used by mothers to entertain their children as they shake rattles and chew dissected bits of apple. But perhaps these are ALG approved sources of language learning stimulation?
You may not like it, but this is what PEAK language learning looks likeIf you aren't prepared to goon HIGH QUALITY native content in your TL then you shouldn't be learning languages. Period.
>>225927710I am sorry for that deutschebrüder, *hugs and pats him*, try other communities that are nicer.
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>>225928931>This is the dumbest thing I've ever readif the truth sounds like "the dumbest thing" to you, then i don't know what that says about youhttps://www.washington.edu/news/2013/01/02/while-in-womb-babies-begin-learning-language-from-their-mothers/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/well/family/language-lessons-start-in-the-womb.html>>225928983alright, Spanish can you understand peppa pig or not?>My ego isn't so flustered when I see other learners of different capabilities that I feel the need to tell my language hugbox how well I can outmatch infants.my method outmatched other methods from adult learners, not infants. i don't have any issue with you or the serbian doing a subpar method, i was pointing out there is an alternative explanation to his results that isn't age>And it is for prior to language acquisition. The show is used by mothers to entertain their children as they shake rattles and chew dissected bits of apple. But perhaps these are ALG approved sources of language learning stimulation?i think you don't have the faintest notion about what you're talking about and if you can't even understand peppa pig, im sure you're not understanding Spanish poetry either, at least not like any Spanish speaker would (you're just translating to English and understanding English poetry said woth different words)
>>225927767>Nooo you have to heckin sit in the cuck chair and listen to a gorillion hours of a language or... Or else you'll never learn it!Either learn a language or don't. Whining about not being perfect in it is gay and weak. Unless you're a native speaker, you're going to have an accent. There's nothing wrong with it.Use whatever method you want. Take as long as you want. It's a hobby. Would you tell someone to give up painting because they can't recreate the Mona Lisa?Who gives a fuck dude? If you like ALG then do it. If you don't then do something else.> You're fucked if you actually care about getting good beyond mediocre.You're mediocre (at best) at everything you do in life. Why is this any different? Stop comparing yourself to other people and either enjoy the process and focus on your own self improvement or find another way to cope with your insecurities. Bitch ass nigga.
this >i cant learn a language anymore crap has go to stophundreds of years ago they used to drop a guy off at a place they have never been before, not speaking a word close to whatever language the people where using say peace and return months/year later to find the guy fluentthere is endless examples throughout history of people learning languages as an adult. It is not a matter of debate it is just a fact
>>225927767If ur goal to preserve some femininity estrogen is always good even after 25I started at 19 tho
>>225929818The bellyaching isn't about learning a language, it's about reaching such an advanced level that production is fully subconscious.But obviously, this kind of mastery takes more than a few years of input, it takes many years of input and output.
>>225929506Bruh I'm literally reading Spanish reddit now and plan to reread Eso (Stephen King) soonMy advice for language learners isn't ALG horseshit but to smash Anki. Double your new cards even if you're there for two or three hours and have to force yourself day in day out to do it. Your vocabulary base is the deciding factor and acquisition for speaking begins the moment you internalise grammar rules such to the point that it feels natural.
>>225922816No questions so far but thanks. It'll take some time for me to ask questions cause I'm at the beginning of this journey. I just know 400 words or so but I'm improooooooving day by day. But there's one question I can ask now. Does everybody in Egypt and do (You) understand MSA, spoken and written?
>>225930080Everybody in egypt and north africa understands MSA perfectly, are you learning MSA?
>>225930151Thank you. Yes, my sole purpose is to understand the Quran and the media (tv channels) by myself. I hear the Levantine Arabic here everyday but I can already explain what I do, what I want and I understand their basic sentences and that's enough for me now.
>>225930184>my sole purpose is to understand the Quranwhich one?https://youtube.com/shorts/N8hLFyF9Yic
>>225930184It is funny i speak arabic and i left islam, i hope you will find the truth too.
Boy love wins
>>225931150SEX
lgbt is a vile, disgusting and evil thing
>>225931191Du and ich liebling <3333333
>>225930549There is only one and those you shared are just interpretations. I don't want to derail the thread, so you can talk about it somewhere else.>>225930909I also left and joined a million times, np thank you.
>>225931959>i also left and joined a million timesAnon...
What makes them behave so?
>>225932920that's me!!!it was in the thread where they told me to spit on the israeli flag but i refused!!
>>225932968Good goy! *rubs hands in delight*
>>225930909im happy for you
>>225927710if you're a lover of coin clippers, don't learn spanish, the people that speak it really don't like them
>>225932968This kind of attitude is why I will never ever learn German.
>>225933019
HELLO???????????
>>225933972>239 hours and 22 minutes left before output is unleashed time to lock the fuck in
you know what? fuck it10 hours a day on FrenchAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>225934311What are you watching?
>>225934340this guy's channelhttps://youtu.be/lYIg5Xmw5Kcand whatever else i can find and understand like thishttps://youtu.be/3WXI0-fsUOAim coming for you next, German. 1000 hours in 3 months. If I can handle it with French for 24 days, I can handle you, German.
>urirueosuaoau que rrodisuaofud que rudodiaua queEvery Spanish sentence
>already completed my anki reviews for the dayI wish I could do anki 24/7
I realized that anki is really not that important, you guys glaze it too much.
>>225935503reading is an SRS, anki isn't essential but it can be a good supplement to cut down on time needed to learn words
>>225935503it's even worse than that, anki literally does nothing evildea is an ankimaxxer yet his listening comprehension in chinese was literally the same or worse as an ALG learner even though the ALG learner had spent less time than him learning Chinesehttps://youtu.be/tsxXuMdv4p8
>>225935503Of course you don't need it when going from one Germanic language to another, now try doing an actually difficult one.
>ADHD appointment is coming upCan't wait to finally be able to focus on muh anki
>>225935825Thank God Japanese didn't inherit all that tonal autism from the chinks. The worst they have is pitch accent
>>225935703anki- no. pleco flashcards- absolutely, it's just so convenient that there's not reason not to instantly add every single word you look up to your flashcards and review them with the SRS system after you reach HSK 5 or so
>>225935825>now try doing an actually difficult onei already didthey're on hold, but when I'm finished with German they're back on the menuCantonese, Mandarin, Thai, Japanese and KoreanI've never used a flashcard in my life and i never will
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I wish Russian was worth it to learn. Such a cool language, history, culture, literature... but it's not worth it because the modern Russian state has amounted to little more than a paranoid, militarized petrostate, squandering its people and intellectual potential on imperial revanchism.From Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Tchaikovsky, Mendeleev, and Gagarin to censorship, brain drain, endless war, and the glorification of one aging autocrat. A country that once aspired to lead humanity into the cosmos now seems content to drag its neighbors back into the nineteenth century.What an extraordinary cultural inheritance to squander. What a fucking waste.>inb4 learn it for the hot girlsthey're all gold diggers anyway.
About anki: I think it depends on the language. If the pronunciation is very different from your native language, then flashcards can actually do some damage. If you already have a good grasp of the pronunciation (which requires a lot of listening usually) or it's very easy for you, you're simply absorbing new vocabulary and that's it. I also appreciate the leech function, where the card you often answer incorrectly is no longer showed to you, as it protects you from reinforcing the mistake
>>225939197why don't you learn Russian to help liberate and bring democracy to Russian by enlisting the United States of America Army and climbing innthe ranks until you can lead an invasion?
>>225939328Based idea but everything is decaying fast over here too. We nearly invaded a country because P*lantir's AI hallucinated and the senile boomer war chiefs believed it
just this week on Hellotalk >message a native speaker near me >no flirting, just having a pretty standard convo >within 30 minutes she asks me out on a datei have a feeling that next Saturday I'll wake up missing a kidney
>>225939455it was even worse than thathttps://edition.cnn.com/2026/09/18/politics/us-military-ai-false-intelligence-china-ship>>225939483what is the tl?
Persian comprehensible input is finally popping offhttps://www.youtube.com/@PersianWithSohi/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@DaughterofIran/videos
>>225939197I would physically recoil if people told me they were learning italian because of the modern italian state
>>225939197>but it's not worth it because the modern Russian state has amounted to little more than a paranoid, militarized petrostate, squandering its people and intellectual potential on imperial revanchismIt's always been this way, more or less. That's why many of these authors write so "depressingly", often about moral choices and about freedom. Just like German or Japanese societies were able to create great social rebels because to rebel they had to go all out in societies full of Karens. Surprisingly this makes them even more worth, or at least interesting, to learn>>225939858I've been back to Italian for a while now and recently I was complaining a thread or two ago that everything I like about Italy is at least 20-30 years old, often much older. I'm afraid that I will drop it again soon. Is there any chance for a big come back in Italy?Also, I'm curious about your opinion, because I watch a lot of old movies where professional actors speak and maybe that has distorted my perception, but don't you think that young Italians speak in a more feminine way than older generations? I have the same impression about Japanese and English. So no offense, I just can't name why I see it this way, so I don't trust my judgment
>>225931195typical poolish post
>he uses anki>he doesn't use the friendship method
>>225941370Anki is like you're a college girl and the words are the frat bros who pass you around
>>225942103Anki is like youre a frat bro and the words are the college girls who pass you around
>>225942630Ankl is like you're a shota and the words are big titty oba sans who pass you around
How to say shota in your /lang/It is صبي in arabic, it sounds like sabi
>>225941370Anki is just meeting the words 10x more than you would through solely reading so you can remember their names quicker. It’s the linguistic equivalent of the various methods of remembering someone’s name the first time you meet them, i.e. working their name into conversation X amount of times, addressing them by name, etc.
>>225927767>>225926066It gets even worse. If you don't fix your mental health issues until late 30's early 40's you will stay irreparably miserable for the rest of the life which could mean more then 50% of your life. People don't change after 40's.
>>225942103>>225942630>>225943013>>225944684you and some other idiots here shouldn't be learning languages, you should be learning to be decent human beingsjust look at the rubbish that comes from your minds, shameful behaviour
is algzilian a troll?
>>225945385based unironically
>>225944955Surrounding that particular topic, I'm even more pessimistic and would move the deadline by 14. Your personality and emotional configuration is based on certain early experiences or lack thereof, and after a certain age they solidify into a foundation unto which the rest of your psyche is built on top of. There's the Genie case which demonstrates clearly that if you don't acquire language by a certain age, you lose the ability completely. Similarly, certain early childhood experiences or lack thereof create specific automatic defenses and ways of perceiving the world that you can't change in adulthood. By the time people experience difficulties and show symptoms in their teenage years, it's already too late for any kind of significant intervention. Modern psychiatry can only mask the symptoms and often does more harm than good, and with personality disorders and other serious issues, they don't even pretend they can do anything, they just sedate and study you like an animal.
>>225945385sopa de macaco uma musume delicia
>>225945607Yup that's why you can't cure shit like depression and anxiety, you can only manage them permanently for the rest of your life and if you dare to fail that then it's back to square one with you. Situation is completely unlucky for people with shit parents. I hope to get my kids studying at least 2 additional languages on top of Serbian before they reach 20. Then after that even if they never reach C1 in any new languages after that they won't be miserable and regretful because they be able to think freely in 3 languages already.
>>225945385I too didn't believe college girls were such whores until my first year there lol. Just see the whole Cornell 7 fiasco
>>225945385What's your issue? You are chimping out for no reason.
>>225945607>>225945716I would only argue that traumatic experiences, stressful situations, more or less long-term exposure to drugs (including alcohol) or physical interference with the brain can, if not change, then emphasize some and flatten others aspects of our psyche. But it's super rare and usually a change is for worse. And maybe I would extend that period into the early 20s but with each year less and less important in shaping who you are.But yeah, no one will give you back your childhood if you had a shitty time back then, very depressing
>>225945607Yes I had a lot of troubles before the age of 10 that only manifested when I was a teenager, but I’d also push back on the idea that it’s “hopeless” or something. I live differently, I manage differently, I manage a constant stress and anxiety but unlike how >>225945716 puts it, I don’t end up “back to square one” when I have bouts of depression. Life goes on I just have to plan and limit accordingly. So I sympathize with people who due to issues have more issues as adults because I have issues too, but there’s no excuse to become a methhead loser or something because your dad beat you.
Thoughts on musik as inpoot?
>>225936186>I've never used a flashcard in my life and i never willYou never had to, they’re non essential. Input is essential. Non-essentials can help but should support rather than diminish the essentials. I think why people with prior “study” doing dreaming spanish fail to input as well is because their mindset is fucked and they’re not just relaxing and listening, so for what it’s worth, what you’re doing right is approaching input with the right mindset. Grammar I find is a way to disambiguate and support/sharpen my input but NEVER a prerequisite for inputting.
>>2259472293/10. If you mean just listening to music and not reading lyrics it's kind of meh. Very repetitive and it's easy not to listen to the lyrics. You usually just listen to the same songs at a given time. If you are exhausted and don't have anything else or if you use it as a source of motivation it's ok but music isn't that useful as a primary source of immersion.
>>225947229I wonder how nasheeds are for learning since its all vocalI guess youd just focus on the a cappella instead
>>225947296Idk about you bro but rammstien tought me how to count as well ass "hier kommt die sonne" and "schient" and "kalt" and "alt" and much more. German music tought me quite a bit.>>225947850They are useless and the words in them are compilcated/rarely in use.
>>225947229It depends immensely on the song itself, some songs are great, many more are useless.
Get some /momentum/ today
>>225947229It depends on the language you learn. Italian is great for that, but many languages, like English for example, do weird stuff in music like changing completely pronunciation, mumbling some parts of a word, enunciating words weirdly etc.
>>225939775So I can finally read my favorite poem in its original Persian? This could be big bros...
>>225935933Pitch accent is nice thoughbeit, but I might be biased by being a native speaker of a different language that also uses it so I picked up on it from day kne without really thinking about it. I didn't even know it was a thing in Swedish before I read up on it in Japanese and then my reaction was something like "oh but that's just a normal part of how you pronounce a word".
>>225947919>it taught me how to countListening to the same Rammstein song numerous times taught you something you could have learned within 30 minutes by studying it? Is this supposed to change my opinion or confirm it? You are aware that to a German native speaker Rammstein's lyrics are quite simple?
>>225955154It is not about being the most effecient way of acquiring a language, but it is about being a way nonetheless, it works, even if bad.
>>225947229I think I might've picked up multiple dozen of words from Cradle of Filth songs. It's the best type of music for me when I can both simply listen to it and also improve my understanding of the language.
>>225955154That is why I like Rammstein, their lyrics are simple which makes it great for someone learning German to have an entertaining way of learning the language.
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Fuck... How to learn Japanese from scratch? There is a lot of stuff, but what is teh best, the most effective, optimized way? I thought about little pronunciation drilling, pimsleur, anki core deck and something for input (some cutie on yt)
>>225945607learn a new language and you can learn a new personality. your new language doesn't have all your pathetic faults you have in your native language.
>>225959903Only change I noticed while outputting German is that I have less of a filter, whatever I say just has less emotional impact, including cringe shit, because the words aren't connected to real experiences yet. It's this way with English too, just slightly less because I've been speaking it for most of my life. Serbian feels concrete and real in a way English doesn't, I find it hard to swear, saying certain stuff feels more embarrassing and raw, words bring up more vivid memories and emotional experiences.
>>225959717Our top autists have it all figured out. Just follow the stepshttps://learnjapanese.moe/guide/
>>225962209I know this site! Thx, I will
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiXpDlcEE34bump
>>225963597get remembering the kanjii and also make a mnemonic for all the kanakhatz learned japanese very quickly primarily because he did this
Being able to decipher the nico weg a1 movie with subtitles is a heavenly feeling.
>>225967470Try the Language Reactor extension if you already haven't. Makes deciphering fast & easy, and you can reveal the sentence translation to fill in the gaps.
>>225967470I can no longer watch anything with romance involved, it makes me too depressed
>>225946159Narcissistic parents for me made it impossible to form bonds with people dismissive-avoidant personality disorder and i cant speak without feeling like im being yelled at
