Christians still pretend this makes sense
>>226000652So, basically, it isn't monotheism?
>>226000784It's Trimurti bro
>>226000784Nah dude, 3 persons, one nature. But remember! Jesus isn't 1/3rd of a god, that would be heresy, he's FULLY god, even though at the same time he's not the Father, who is also FULLY god himself. A = B, B=C, but B≠C, the Holy Spirit says so in the book of Mary's sandals o algo.
>>226000652idgi what is it
It's very easy to understand, I don't know why do you find it so difficult.
>>226001675If god = Jesusand god = The Fatherand god = The Holy Spiritthen:Jesus = The Father = The Holy SpiritOnly way for that not to follow would be if Jesus, The Father, and the Holy Spirit were each only 1/3rd of a god.
I though it's supposed to be like steam, ice, water o algobut overall it seems like it is a result of a brutal fanfiction war from thr first millenium
>>226001753That would be a good analogy but it's called Modalism and is considered a heresy.
>1400 years later Muslims still seethe
>>226001858What makes you think I'm Muslim? And the trinity was one of the earliest conflicts within the Christian church, see Arianism.
>>226000652stupid christcucks have no idea that this is all kabbalistic.the devil rapes the shekhinah / sophia to create the antichrist jesus, the son. make it the SUN.the christcuck saturn cult was never as old and ancient as it claims to be, it's an invention by kabbalistic jews somewhere in the monarcy era.
>>226000652It could have made sense if they went with the angle of "god is the one deity, and these 3 things are different aspects/avatars of him, but they all report to the same boss and are part of the same oversoul o algo" instead
>>226000652It's actually just a venn diagram
>>226000806Rare high IQ indog poster
>>226000652>tf>seething at Christianity Checks out.
>>226003149?
>>226001858Not a Muslim, he's an Indian who believes in nord paganism
>>226000652isn't this the product of the various head clergy in the roman empire autistically argueing with each other with the emperor trying to prevent a religious breakdown with bizzare compromises?
>>226003246Yes. Mainstream Christianity is the result of Constantine sitting down a bunch of bishops together and forcing them to agree to a unified vision of Christianity, and at the same time hevaily suppressing heterorthodox Christian beliefs such as Gnosticism and non-trinitarianism. Constantine molded Christianity from an apocalyptic cult into a tool for Imperial subservience.
>>226003285Now explain to me the argument for Trinitarianism
>>226003304I don't know, the gospels made contradictory claims about Jesus, some claimed he was just the son of god, some claimed he was god, trinitatianism is an attempt to force those conflicting claims together.
>>226003335So if you don't know the argument or have background knowledge of the Bible what gives your argument against the Trinity any legitimacy?
>>226003363I just told you the argument for trinitarianism, the conflictig claims of the gospels, I can post verses if you want. Even if I'd never read the Bible, I'd only have to point out how illogical trinitariniasm is to argue against it.
>>226003412You know what, yes go ahead and post the verses.
>>226000652>tr*nitarians>christians
could just ask christ when she comes back from sky disneyland o algo
>>226003573>she
>>226003584well she's not gonna do the jesus thing twice in a row, is she?
>>226003504Matthew 3:17: ""This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.’”Matthew 28:19: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”2 Corinthians 13:14: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.”John 1:1–3: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.”However, John states:John 14:28: “If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.”•John 17:3: “And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”John 5:19: “So Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing.’”So trinitarians invented an elaborate but ultimately illogical model where Jesus is both god and human, but also subordinate to the Father, who is also god.
>>226003617It's sad how little we know of the competing early churches and different ways they tried to negotiate around the problem of Jesus the Son of Man, God the Father and Holy Spirit. After Nicea it all went to "It's Trinity, one of God's mysteries o algo"
>>226003607Next Jesus will be a trans man like the previous one and that's final!
>>226003617This is why we actually need to read the source materials before we criticize it. The first 4 verses you posted is proof of the Trinity, so we can clearly see where they got the idea and wasn't just a made up concept. Now for the 3 John verses you posted, this is where actually reading the Bible is important. Jesus was speaking in the position of a humble human servant and we know that because of Philippians 2:6-8"who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."
>>226003948The already accepted concept of Trinity influenced the translations, retard
>>226003977The translations rely on the Greek manuscript that we still have today. You can go back and read the the thousands of different variations and prove to everyone that the Trinity was just a translation issue.
>>226003948Philippians 2:6-8 basically claims that Jesus was putting on a humble act when he called the Father greater than himself, even stating that he himself didn't know the hour of the end in contrast to his Father. If you want to assert that Jesus wasn't really acting humble, he WAS being humble, it was his human nature from where he was subordinating himself to the Father, that still presents problems for the trinity. If Jesus' human and divine natures were coequal within himself, that would make Jesus as a sort of Janus-like god, being FULLY two contradictory things at the same time, fully creation and fully creator. That contradicts basic logic. If Jesus is fully god, then what differentiates him from the Father? His human nature? But the Father is also fully god but he lacks a Human nature, meaning that Jesus' human nature is outside the godhead of the trinity, meaning it's wrong o describe Jesus as fully god, because there is an aspect of Jesus, his human nature, that is not a god, Jesus can't be fully god.
>>226000652kikebrit is still making daily anti-christian threads
>>226004072We have. You didn't listen. Also we have only fragmentary manuscripts from the really early periods. The oldest nearly complete Bible is from the 4th century.
>>226004212You're calling me a Jew for criticising your Jewish god
>>226004172You're confusing nature and person. Fully God means possessing 100 percent divine nature which the Father and Son share 100 percent of the divine essencs. Jesus assumed a human nature form to work in the creation without changing his divine essence. it just means 1 divine person works through 2 distinct natures.
>>226004354So, in a sense, the real Jesus is fully human, it's just that his body was possessed by god.
>>226004226We didn't and you're wrong. The earliest complete Bible is from the 4th century. We have early fragments that date back to the 2nd and 3rd century that contain intact chapters of John and Philippians with the exact same Greek text we have today. So unless you can whip out earlier text that say otherwise, I'm sticking with what we have now.>>226004435Try reading what I posted again.
>>226001986that you are unemployed and make constant threads against christianity
>>226004546The earliest fragments are mere sentences long and the dating of even those are dubious. There's a reason most biblical institutions require a signed declaration of faith for you to work there :^)
>>226004668Papyrus 66 and 46 contains the majority of the book of John and Paul's letters with both are from the 2nd and 3rd century, over 100 years before the council of Nicea. I don't understand the point in lying, Google is free and easy to use.
>>226004874Natures aren't percentages. Adding a human nature to a Person doesn't subtract anything from his divine nature.
>>226004600What makes you think I'm unemployed?>>226004546Ok, I read it again. If Jesus has two natures, one human and one divine, then Jesus is only partly god, since his human nature isn't in the godhead.
>>226004931But it adds an aspect of Jesus that is not divine. You cannot accurately call Jesus fully god, since part of Jesus is non-divine.
>>226004962Fully God means his divine nature is 100 percent God. Taking on a human nature adds humanity, it literally subtracts nothing from his divinity. I know you understand what I'm saying, but of course you won't concede because of you're idiotic pride. Anyways I'm done, I gotta go to work.
>>226005055You're not addressing the point I'm making. Jesus is an amalgamation of two natures, human and divine, Jesus' divine nature is fully god, but his human nature is fully not god. Jesus as a whole is only part-god.
>>226000652>omnipotent being can be more than 1 thing at onceWhat's not to understand?
here christcucks, this is the real meaning of the trinity, you jew worshipping dumbos!oh wait, you don't know what that means either? no worries, soon you will, once you are tortured for adrenochrome, oh sorry, i mean, once you are one with god.easier for a camel to pass the 3rd eye of a needle than entering heaven as a christcuck dumbo saturn worshipper.
>>226000652You're just dumb, man.t. non-Christian
>>226000652The default religious tendency in humans is some form of animism. It's why kids name their teddy bears and shit. The Abrahamic religions have done immeasurable damage to the world.
>>226000652"sense" from what?rationality is uselessscience have para-sited off the achievements of religiondoes being logical win you a prize or something?
>>226000652Why does it not make sense?The brain is not the stomach, the stomach isn't the heart but they all make up a human body
>>226005884That's partialism, which is considered a heresy by trinitarian churches.
>>226005161His flesh itself isn't God as it's created, but the Person who took on that human form is 100 percent God. Natures aren't percentages, I already told you that.
probably the easiest concept in theology and reddit atheists pretend not to understand ityou know how you are both your body and your mind? yeah, like that
>>226001675>Moby Dick>UlyssesFiltered
>>226006171Did the person of Jesus exist before his birth to Mary? Is Jesus human nature included inside or outside the godhead?
>>226006211Is Moby Dick even considered a challenging book? I thought it was pretty standard High School stuff.
>>226006193Except it's nothing like that. The fact you can't even pronounce it correctly makes your grandstanding pretty sad.
>>226005292If God can break logic, can he make a rock so heavy he can't lift it?
>>226006216>Did the person of Jesus exist before his birth to Mary?Yes>Is Jesus human nature included inside or outside the godhead?Neither.
>>226006329>NeitherThat's impossible.
>>226000652>jeet who worships an elephant head, blue armed schizo, blood drinking woman and such talking about religious sense
>>226006350It’s only impossible because you're treating God like a physical box with an inside and outside.
>>226004804>P66>More recently, Brent Nongbri has produced a broader study of the codex and argued that when one takes into consideration the format, construction techniques, and provenance of the codex along with the handwriting, it is more reasonable to conclude that the codex was produced "in the early or middle part of the fourth century.">P46Written around the year 200, well over a century after the originals.>I don't understand the point in lying, Google is free and easy to use.Why indeed.
>>226006384Do you know what we call things that are nowhere?Non-existing.
>>226006384If Jesus human nature is inside the godhead, it wouldn't be a human nature anymore, it would be divine. Therefore Jesus human nature must be outside the godhead, meaning an aspect of Jesus is outside the godhead, meaning Jesus isn't fully god.
>>226006438The human nature isn't inside the divine essence neither is it a separate piece outside.
>>226006623You're wasting your time, he will ask questions that support trinitarian viewpoints because he's too dumb to see the implications of his gotchas
>>226006623Explain how that's logically possible. Liquid water can't both be wet and not wet at the same time. If Jesus human nature could somehow be inside the godhead, then that means an aspect of the godhead isn't divine, meaning the trinitarian god isn't fully a god.
>>226006652I'm fully aware, I've argued with him many times. He's not smart and his arguments are always circular. But what do you expect from Nordic pagan practicing Indian.
>>226006729Except nowhere did my questions support the trinitarian view.
>>226006757I never said you did.
>>226006825>I'm fully awareYou implied you agreed with the Canadian anon's statement about my questions
>>226000652Most Abrahamic religions don't make sense when you go deeper into it.
>>226006878No, I was agreeing with him on the fact that I'm wasting my time arguing with you as I've done it before and already know how it goes.
>>226001033idol worshipping
>>226007444The ancient Israelites were originally idol worshippers, by the way, they only became monotheists after the Babylonians defeated them>>226007423You're just parroting what's been taught to you bu priests without understanding the irrationality of what you're saying.
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>>226000652The trinity is an invention of the the creedal tradition and has no basis in the Bible.
>>226011694I find it strange that Mormons denounce the very Church that created the Bible they use.
>>226011728Do you find it equally strange when Christians denounce Judaism despite it creating the Old Testament?Inb4>yeah but they apostasized from from the true religion of Christianity after it was revealed o algoThen you understand how we see it. Creedal cattle are no different than Jews claiming we wuz rights over all religion.
>>226012101All the Abrahamic religions are false.
>>226012202All religions are false
the christcuck is a hilariously unaware and oblivious dumbshit worshipping his jew who never even existed and who was a carpenter (you know, like in a masonry sense) and is initiating by hanging voluntarily on an unfolded black cube (saturn) just like odin and the hanged man on tarot.the kabbalists who made up this fake-ancient cult somewhere in the monarchy era such as the rapist jakob frank who fucked catherine the great and created a lot of crypto-jewish monarchy spawns are laughing their ass off. even today, pedophile jews like polanski are never tired mocking the real story of jesus or noah in movies like rosemary's baby or chinatown.
>>226000652Hope this helps
>>226012386This is tritheism/partialism
>>226000652It's one of those "mysteries" that has a dozen explanations that have all been ruled heretical.Truly mortal minds are not meant to comprehend the splendor of god's creation.
