>>226027115
it makes zero sense marrying if people think that way, unless you enjoy being a c*ck

>>226028731
What if you married whatever could get, but then something better came along? Would cheating still be wrong

>>226028731
Not a cuck myself, but your point makes no sense. Marriage isn't for romantic feelings, that's a childish way of looking at it. It's primarily a practical pact to start a family. Having children and a stable home. One could even see it as a commercial accort. Seeing it as some kind of romeo and juliet story is to me pure retardation. It's a child's way of looking at life. Staying with the same partner until death isn't satisfying but people gaslight themselves into pretending it is.

>>226028809
>It's primarily a practical pact to start a family. Having children and a stable home.
i agree, but it’s disturbing to see that OP image and know that DNA tests are prohibited there.
so, i stand by my previous opinion.

>>226028809

So if it's practical why do it if you don't intend on staying sexually committed to that one partner and raising a stable family?

You're right, marriage is a real serious thing that was developed to promote stable monogamous bonds and families. So if you aren't going to do that don't do it. Just stay sexual partners.

It's a larp and a cargo cult otherwise.

>>226028847
I agree with this and personally would just do what everyone here does, which is take their child's dna and get the test done in another country (or send it abroad). It's a bypass nobody really monitores. You just can't use it as legal evidence. Therefore making a marriage a very bad idea since you won't be able to use the cucking dna evidence to not get divorce raped. But you can just leave her and not raise the runt if you see he's not your kid.

>>226028882
For the children. That should be obvious. Children need to have both parents around. It doesn't mean you have to stay loyal sexually to eachother. But picking a healthy and well put together woman to breed great children and have a stable family is something desirable. To me it's even better really. But yes, if there are no children, it serves no puporse, just stay friends with benefits.

>>226028809
Why even have a children? It's fucked up. A kid can't grow up in this kind of environment and end up right.

>>226029062

A man isn't going to raise another man's kids, the point of marriage is to ensure fidelity and non cuckolding

>France bans paternity testing

oh... i see where this is headed

>>226029126
The kid doesn't have to know you're seeing other people. It won't fuck up his psyche. Even then, I don't think having multiple partners fuck up your children's psyche naturally unless they're insane or retarded, it's just that it's a taboo in modern society, and it's a taboo to make marriages stick because the average person is a retard and doesn't have the ability to to handle nuanced situations.

However, it makes no sense to stay together once the kids are grown and left. I don't think this really works for indians or italians since you guys tend to stay home until 35 lol.

>>226029160
I addressed that. Nobody here wants to be a cuck. The percentage of men globally who check and do paternity testing is small anyways to be honest, probably plenty of cucks around. Here we bypass it by sending it to labs in other countries. I never told anyone to raise another man's child.

>Anything less than 90%
Everyday I thank allah for the gift of Islam when I see just how soulless the kuffar are.

>>226029193
Any kid raised in an environment where his family is seen by his parents as a social contract for stability is going to end up better than someone who raised in the same natural way as families have for genrations until now.

And having parents and other extended family members to look out for you is good, actually. You should inherit your family home or get other help from your parents. Just as much as you should pass it down to your kids as well.

>>226029319
You can love your family without feeling perpetual lust for your wife. You can love your children as well while sleeping with women other than your wife. The marriage is a social contract, the family is a very real thing. Even romantic marriages are just contracts, they're done so pretending that people will stay in love with the same woman until they die. It's repressive towards what genuinely satisfies people, hence the insanely high divorce rates and general relationships issues in marriages. Doesn't apply to lesser civilizations in which it's just forced upon you through collective repression and shaming. Pretending indian parents are mostly genuinely happy in this deal and don't respect it out of pressure, as if they don't break it whenever nobody's looking.

You can look out and support and love your children all the same, you somehow think not pretending that a marriage is like a hollywood feel good movie automatically means you love your children less.

People here inherit houses, they don't live with their parents until they're middle aged though, that's not normal, that's backwards and it's something underevelopped people and countries do.

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>>226029277
Umm

>>226029409
Insanely high divorce rates and general relationships issues in marriages are the result of people viewing it more and more frivolously as just a contract. It's also why fertility rates are taking because that way of thinking naturally leads people to think having kids is a burden as well. And the idea that long time partners are together because of pressure or repression is both a projection and cope. The mere idea of looking out for your kids being boiled down to inheritance is just reptilian brained passing of genetics.

France is so based. im glad im visiting soon

>>226029813
You're pretending that people stay sexually attracted to the same person for decades on end and don't want to get other mates. That's insane and retarded. End of story. Nobody is saying the last part you said, that's how you interpret it because you have a childish mindset. Relationships back then worked under this contract because women had no say in anything and were pretty much just property. Long time partners aren't together because they're in love for their entire lives and you're fucking stupid for believing that. And you know it's stupid so you don't even claim it.

>>226031008
People do in fact stay attracted to their partner. In fact, that connection only deepens their attraction. Not that it's not normal to be attracted to someone outside your marriage, but we are humans not animals that we have to give in to every impulse. Your idea of working long term traditional relationship is also projection.

Between your framing of family as a social contract for stability and your treating of love for you children as something more resembling love for a close friend the moment they are an adult more or less paints that picture.

Really, regardless of your lifestyle, why do you even want a kid anymore? You might have your own reasons, but it's that kind of thinking which is why as I said the fertility rate is collapsing.

>>226032357
No. You don't keep staying attracted to a woman past her prime with a sagging old body. You may appreciate her as a person, but to say she's the most sexually attractive being to you is retardation. Sexual attraction isn't subjective. It's based on strict metrics. And aging women who had kids go lower on that scale.

The claim that we're humans and therefore aren't subject to the laws of nature is pure retardation. We control ourselves when it is necessary for society to function or when it is forced down upon us. Neither are true in this case, making it unnecessary. Projection is thinking men stay attracted sexually to 70 year old women when they get old. You're retarded and brown.

No, I corrected myself and said marriage was a social contract. You keep trying to make it seem like I said having a kid and raising it is a social contract because you're not arguing fairly like the brown proto-kike that you are. The marriage is there for stability. The idea that you stay together as parents and remain 24/7 sexually loyal is. Having a child and raising it alongside its mother isn't. You're retarded.

Never said love for your children is something more resembling love for a close friend. You put words in the mouths of people the same way you put cow shit in your own every morning.

Then the rest is just sperging out like a brownoid. Impossible to debate, perpetually emotional. Persuaded that others hate children and hate women if they're not this mentally rigid and willing to lie and pretend we stay sexually attracted to women who lose their body over age and labor.

>>226034185
You can't post without an ad homein, who are you calling emotional?
>The claim that we're humans and therefore aren't subject to the laws of nature is pure retardation.
And you didn't even read what I said either.

I am extrapolating, so maybe I'm wrong. But I left you the question to why you want to have children in the first place while you kept projecting your wrapped perception of a long term commitment.

Enjoy your collapsing birth rate, I guess.

>>226034407
It takes a lot of gumption to mention ad hominems (can't even spell it right) while not making a single point at all despite yapping this much. Also takes a lot of natural perversion to claim your poor attempts at personal jabs are just you "extrapolating". Like who are you fooling? You're a natural born liar. Oh yes I am sexually attracted to the same person until I die, that's just normal and great. Not to say that deriving from monogamy is good for most, too many are too retarded and emotional to do it. A relationship, a marriage, can be seen as this perfect love story at first with romance everywhere, but then the reality of existence and how long it is and the boredom of a modern existence show you that said atmosphere doesn't last forever. That's just normal. Pretending it doesn't exist is insansity. Your people have toxic relationships but pretend they're great because they're loyal. Then they pretend they're loyal out of love instead of other factors like a repressive culture or a lack of options/abilities to start other relationships. You beat your women, rape them, molest them, use them as slaves, but claim that there is permanent love in your relationships. Then you attack others and pretend they don't love as much as you do, the guy from a culture, from a country, from a people who abuse women infinitely so more than the people he attacks. Zero shame. Zero self awareness. Just wow.