Are they more like Germans, Italians or other Slavs?
>>226030424They are very north italian/german in terms of dilligency and tidiness, but slavic in being proficient at counting bloodcells
>>226030534>being proficient at counting bloodcellswhat does that mean?
>>226030570Essentially detecting and shunning foreign nationalities. This requires an exceptional amount of skill in the Balkans because all the nations look, behave and sometimes even talk the same, but everyone passionately hates each other.Come to think of it, they can also be very rude and obnoxious in foreign countries, but not all of them. Depends on what kind of Slovenian you run across. All in all, usually great guys.
>>226030701Will there every be TBL (total balkan love)?
>>226030424We are cultural mutts, there's no getting around it.>>226030701We have the same issue most Europeans have, a smug sense of superiority. Exceptionally absurd for a culture that has spent 1300 years losing but in truth it's a dumb attitude for anyone in Europe to have. We didn't do any of the shit our ancestors did, the good or the bad. We're just chuds, most of us descended from farmers or laborers, not that being descended from inbred royals is better.It helps to have humility, especially when visiting other countries.
>>226030736Zoomers are already very cosmopolitan since they were born long after the war. Media consumption is very much intertwined between ex-yu countries. I find that a lot of zoomies can't sniff out nationalities that well, although neither did I when I was younger.>>226030807The usual comparison is looking at the Slovenia-Croatia border, especially in some places like the Kupa canyon. The Croatian bank has overgrown villages, zero economic activity and unmaintained weekend homes, while Slovenian has camps and tidy surroundings. Maybe it's not that important, but small things like that add up and are something to be proud of. In the end it doesn't matter because we'll both disappear within like 3 more generations or so and become a jeet or muslim colony, but still.
>>226030424They're ostensibly Germanic but when no one sees they eat cevap and listen to Dara Bubamara.
Slovene work ethics combined with Croat pride, Bosnian cuisine, Serbian bravery and Macedonian...ugh...ajvar? - would make a superpower. So sad no one came up with an idea to combine them all into one country, it would be a guaranteed success.
>>226030951>but small things like that add up and are something to be proud ofConscientiousness is an admirable trait I guess, we take care of our environment which I find is one of our primary cultural features so for tourists that's appealing.Regardless I don't think being a decent gardener is grounds for a superiority complex. And I especially don't appreciate the ones clinging desperately to the idea that we're not Balkan when the whole government still runs like a Yugo mafia with a thin veneer of European oversight.As for assimilation. We've held it back fairly well up until now but I'm not too invested either way. If the Slovenians of the future take issue with the status quo they can burn down parliament and make their future what they wish it to be and if the whole world gets set on fire and we're in a grand holobunga then assimilation won't really be the main issue anyway. I worry about making sure I can feed myself if the stores empty out, the cultural shit doesn't even register.
>>226030424mostly like austrians (eats dumplings and strudel), excet the westernmost third which is completely italian (eats pasta and drinks wine)then there are the cities which are mostly serbian
>>226030701Many true slovenians are very cold and autistic in a bad way, being a naturally friendly slovenian must be hell
>>226030424none. we're the last remaining romans.
>>226030424Most of them are just Slavic speaking Austrians with a recent history of lighter communismThe west/ littoral Slovenes have a bit of north-east Italian influence but Bavarian is still dominant.
>>226030424>>226033430I'm referring to pure ethnic Slovenes of course. Half of the people in their cities are called Dragan and Jovanka (no these are not just boomers who were given Serbian names) so it doesn't feel that way anymore
>>226030424they are civilized albanians>>226030534> north italian>dilligency and tidiness
we need to multiply them
>>226030951>zero economic activityLož Metalpres from Plešce makes plastic components like pic rel which are sold in stores like Bauhaus and Pevec/x
>>226033460>Half of the people in their cities are called Dragan and JovankaIs that so? >According to the 2002 census, Slovenia's main ethnic group are Slovenes (83%). At least 13% of the population were immigrants from other parts of former Yugoslavia, primarily ethnic Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims), Croats and Serbs and their descendants.[4] They have settled mainly in cities and suburbanised areas.[5]
>>226030424The Slavs are more like other Slavs.
>>226033673Even in villages the situations is much more dire than that 2002 census you quoted
>>226033673>in cities and suburbanised areasThere are no cities in Slovenia. Ljubljana is a medium sized town, at best. Whole country is a singular small rural province. It's nicer than Kosovo, sure, but people act like Slovenia is a smaller Netherlands or something. They're not some urban civilization, they're a relatively developed collection of villages.
>>226031144I'm not saying keeping yards tidy make a nation a chosen people, but whenever you do something well, it should be celebrated appropriately. Croats have such an inferiority complex that we desperately need to learn to pat ourselves on the back sometimes outside of football matches.>>226033606That's obviously great, but Slovenes still somehow do even more of that in the same space and the same amount of people.
>>226031054>Bosnian cuisineliterally meat sticks, feta and philo dough, it' incredibly unhealthy>>226033829Ljubljana is a small city, it has 300k people>>226033673a hundred thousand Bosnians have moved here since 2002, so it's trendy for zoomers to talk with a Turkish accent like the rest of ex-Yugoslavia does.
>>226034905>literally meat sticks, feta and philo doughand yet it beats everything Slovenia has to offer in this regard and per one restaurant with authentic Slovene cuisine you have 10 buregdzinicas and I'm talking about the centre of Ljubljana which is where tourists come and after which they judge your nation's cuisine.
why are threads about Slovenia always full of Croats voicing their [irrelevant] opinion on Slovenia?
>>226030951>especially in some places like the Kupa canyon.the proper name for that river is K-O-L-P-A. Croat nationalism is obnoxioius, you even named the wiki page for the river Sotla, whose spring is in Slovenia the Croatian way, Sutla, and there was a theory on that page about the origin of the name of the river being the P-I-E root *su, despite Sotla being the original name of that river, as the Slovenes inhabited these lands long before the Croats moved to Zagreb and its environs from Dalmatia in the 16th century. Likewise, Kolpa (the Roman Colapis) is the proper name for the river 'Kupa'.
>>226034929tourists go to Slovenian tourist trap restaurants like Sokol, not to Bosnian street food holes in the wall.
>>226034929also, the Slovenes think that only disgusting sauerkraut sludge like jota is 'real' Slovenian cuisine, ignoring traditional Slovenian dishes like fried chicken, roast veal and pork shank. There even exists a native Slovenian equivalent of čevapi called odščipanci, which is pretty obscure.
>>226035027>>226035053>>226035142Looks like the meds wore off
>>226035027I wish the Samo's empire survived VGHHGHGH imagine GroBSloveniVm
>>226034966It's any thread about the Balkans they're deranged and obsessed
>turn on the radio on my way to work, the host is a bosnian speaking with an heavy accent playing yugo music>the security guard at the work greets me 'gde si rođo slovenac' as I look away>lunch lady in the cafeteria, some mystery mutt from SEA who can't understand a word and I'm left without the desired menu>take a dog for a walk and see groups of indians loitering around doing fuck all>yugo youth are again racing their bikes around the block, call the police and a serb policeman arrives siding with their kin >turn on the news, it's about gypsies and albanians causing mayhem >call to order a pizza, another yugo greets on on the other side of the line taking the order before sending an african to deliver itFeels like planet of the apes living in the capital
>>226034226>greatEspecially when you consider there are no highways nearby.Slovenes have more small family businesses in their villages. But then again once you cross the border to Slovenia it stops feeling like a real forested area and more like a park that's tamed by civilization. It might be because of higher population density and more settlements. >>226035027>autism about how some vowel sounds in words are different between Slavic languageslol>Croat nationalism is obnoxious>Slovenes inhabited these lands long before the Croats moved to Zagreband here we have the petty Slovene nationalism claiming Northern Croats were originally SlovenesEven without immigration from the south, North Croats would be at least be as different and separate from Slovenes as Slovaks and Czechs are from one another.
>>226036042Croat is just a regional designatin, your true ethnic denomination is Serbo-Croat. You are the same ethnicity as a person from Niš, but you are not the same ethnicity as me. Your culture is kebab with kajmak, tambur music, saying jebo ti pas majko, brate, e. The people from North Croatia were originally not that way, ethnically, they were more like us, tho less Germanized.
>>226037079what do Slovenes think about West Slavs?
>>226037234poor people who were under the Soviet boot. Before WWII, it was not Balkanoids, but Czechs who were the largest minority in Ljubljana. They tended to belong to the wealthy elite tho, they were not 80 IQ manual laborers like our present immigrants.
>>226035543>living in the capitalyou belong in the zoo with the rest of them honestlyI relate more to rural Bosanci than you
>>226037306isn't Zizek from a Czech family? this surname sounds very Czech, like that Hussite. btw, I know that one of our kings had a Slovene wife (Anne from Celje), there is a memorial stone from the Slovene embassy on her grave.
>>226037426So you're an 80 IQ Armenoid with an Arab traditional culture?
>>226037488We can't all be like you.No, just a Slovene.
>>226037454no, his parents are from Prekmurje, there's a village there called Žižki. The Counts of Cilli might have been Slovene, but more likely they were Germans, tho they intermarried with the locals and Balkanic Slavic nobility too.
>>226037426bosnjaks are the best, friendliest people you can meetseriously, if you complain about them then you have no idea how good you have it there OPAAAAAA
>>226037540My Bosniak neighbors illegally built a balcony in our apartment building. It should be noted that every culture that was influenced by Islam in any way is inherently criminal (ie. Serbo-Croatian, Russian, South Italian), and not white.
>>226037524>but more likely they were Germanswell, there is a story that before the marriage she had to spend some time in an abbey to learn Polish, which I believe wouldn't be a case if she spoke Slovene. So maybe you're right. But somehow the modern Slovenian state sees her as Slovene. Very interesting approach actually, how you managed to incorporate Germans into your history. Here we generally don't see Germans living in Poland in the Middle Ages as Poles, unless they did something special for Poland (like Copernicus)
>>226034966Because we live next to them and know how deluded they (and you) are.
>>226037696I'd say that that's because you're this boastful, deceitful, patriarchal macho South European who always knows best and is the biggest delija out there, brate.
>>226037756I'm not nearly that cool.
>>226037793I'm being a bit mean, but Croats too have some pretty extreme opinions, like how Slovenia is just an extension of Croatia, I've heard that one several times.
>>226037756your honest opinion on Janez Jansa and his ultimatum to Belgrade to disclose all the UDBA archives? will we finally learn about the deepest secrets of Marshall Broz?
>>226037079>Serbo-Croatno such people, you can describe the standard language with that term which itself is alien to most of Croatia but the truest form of Croatian is what's called "Chakavain" but it should just be called Croatian which in it's pure form stripped from roman borrowings is arguably closer to most Kajkavian dialects than Slovene is.>You are the same ethnicity as a person from Niš, but you are not the same ethnicity as me.You have čefur ancestors tho. I don't have a single ancestor south of Kraljevica, or with an -ic last nameYou think Slovenia is not a regional designation? You are Kranjci and Štajerci, now with Popović, Fazlić and Beqiri newcomers.
>>226037865idk what purpose that would serve. He's just pretending to be anti-Balkanoid for his rural Catholic voter base while importing more and more Balkanoids and Jeets.
>>226037935>idk what purpose that would serveyou wouldn't want to know the names of all Tito's lovers? I believe this would occupy the first page of tabloids for boomers for the whole month
>>226037975I can't believe that most people actually looked fondly on the days of military dictatorship cum police state, that's seems crazy now. Idk if people still care about Tito now because the country is prospering.
*looked fondly etc. 20 years agome too, I was like that too somewhat, I was at least ambivalent about Yugoslavia rather than hostile to the idea like I am now
>>226038049>because the country is prospering.yes, but boomers just miss their youth and full health and they associate that with Yugoslavia.
>>226038074I mean, Yugoslavia based on democratic, capitalist principles would be still a good idea. I still can't get over the chance you had in 1980, going the Spanish way. You would be a regional superpower now with one of the biggest EU economies, one of the strongest armies and well, wide recognizability, you wouldn't hear the weird silence from a westerner when telling him where you are from.And Slovenes would obviously dominate the whole country economically and intellectually. You could be a vice-CEO of an international bank headquartered in Belgrade for example.
>>226030424Slav, now fuck off.
>>226038096you still have boomer manifestations for may 1st with the partisan hats and Yugo flags, but imo the last gasp of Yugonostalgia in mainstream culture was when the government denied the motion that a part of Slovenska cesta be renamed back to Titova cesta in 2011 iirc. The instigator of that motion was apparently Ljubljana mayor Zoran Janković (who I'm voting for in 10 days, he's a good mayor, big on ambitious construction projects) which is telling, since Serbs love authoritarianism.
>>226038198>Serbs love authoritarianism.they literally voted it out a moment ago
>>226038182we'd eventually lose our language and culture and assimilate among the Serbocroatians, which faced a lot of resistance among our nation, since the Slovenian culture and language are more advanced and civilized than the culture of the rest of ex-Yugoslavia.
>>226038249>we'd eventually lose our language and culture and assimilate among the Serbocroatians,It didn't happen to Basques or Catalans so why would it happen to you? There was no sign of that happening in Yugoslavia either. And obviously the democratic Yugoslavia would be still a federation of equal republics.
>>226038198>big on ambitious construction projectsany example?
>>226038318the boomers like my parents all used Serbocroatian phrases amid their Slovenian unless they were HC Catholics. The Slovenes and especially the Serbs & Bosnians are more dissimilar culturally than Catalans and Castillians are. I wouldn't really call us Slovenes South Europeans like those other nations are because this land has always been under NW European influence all until WWI and the introduction of Balkan culture only happened after WWII. It has been noted by anthropologists that the greatest cultural differences in Europe arise on a NW - SE axis and that is because of the Muslim influence on the Balkans.
>>226038358the new Ljubljana railway station and associated commercial spaces. A planned residential district and park where the current central bus station (remiza) stands
>>226038443>It has been noted by anthropologists>...zis river hier is de ofišil džeografikil limit bitwin Balkon und Miteleuropa!
>>226038443Why do you keep dismissing Civil Croatia (the non-military-frontier west parts) and grouping us with the rest of Ottoman areas under the label of "Serbo-Croats" despite also never being conquered, settled and culturally turked/serbed until the 20. century like modern Slovene lands?
>>226038630and why do you constantly need to seek his validation? let him be what he wants to be and you can stay what you are your ardent nationalism is exactly why they don't see you as the same as them, you literally take pride in organizing the biggest nationalist concert in Europe, the mere concept of it is just odd and foreign to Slovenes, you can't be the same people
>>226038630I thinks the Serbian uskoks settled every last part of Croatia in the 16th century, whereas in Slovenia they settled only Dolenjska, Notranjska, most of Primorska and Ptujsko polje.
>>226038675Janez Janša and his minions attended that Thompson concert too, he wants to make Slovenia more like Slovakia, Hungary and Poland, or even Russia, less of a western country and a more of a semi-dictatorship..
>>226034905>so it's trendy for zoomers to talk with a Turkish accent like the rest of ex-Yugoslavia doesa turkish accent? what do you mean?
I wish I could live as a teenager in the 1980s Slovene SR, particularly Koper>beautiful Mediterranean old town>modern houses on the outskirts built with money your dad made in Munich>he also brought a new Grundig cassette player >you listen to best yu-rock on that>while also watching Italian TV from Trieste and anime like Hokuto no ken>and you get ready for a date with a blonde beauty on the beachpeak life, no wonder boomers miss it
>>226038807the dark L (Slovenes are one of the few Slavic nations that don't palatalize our L's), and kind of talking at the back of your throat in a monotone, that is the typical Serbian accent. Also, not using the vocalic E and O, which sound like German vocalic E and O, and not reducing unstressed E's into schwa's. Serbocroatian has been influenced by Italian, Hungarian and Turkish, that's why it only has five vowel sounds, unlike most other Slavic languages.
>>226038902Koper is full of Bosnian junkies, its hillside suburb of Markovec is often called Narkovec on the street :D
>>226038958I believe it wasn't like that back then
>>226038675>the mere concept of it is just odd and foreign to SlovenesYou spend too much time online.
>>226038988east Adriatic coastal towns have a reputation for narcotics abuse, Split is a famous example, and that must've started in the 80's, as you had heroin addicted musicians in Belgrade by then, like the group EKV.
>>226035413>they're deranged and obsessedBased
>>226039059I'd be a good boi and just wouldn't deal with the bad guys. Like for every Slovene kid, my dream would be to become a bank CEO, after all. anyway, how's Koper now as a tourist place? maybe i should once detour from my way to Croatia to get there
>>226039100It's shit, half of the town is cold industry and the other half is serb and bosnians, lately also albanians. Quite a potent mix. Might as well visit Rijeka instead, bigger yet similar
>>226039100Portorož is the most touristy spot cause that's where all the hotels are and Piran cause its old town looks better than Koper's. I think a lot of the better restaurants there are in the hilly hinterland of the coast tho. But you can walk along the entire coast in a day and take a bus if you don't want to walk the entire stretch, it's about 30 km's between Koper and Portorož, and you can see cool sights such as the cliffs of Strunjan and the salt pans of Sečovlje.
>>226038675>and why do you constantly need to seek his validation?I don't. I usually stay quiet but he keeps posting the same thing all the time using that "Serbo-Croat" term but then mentioning Serbs and Bosnians exclusively. Say something like "Serbo-Bosnian" then. It's funny because if he saw my last name he would place me deep inside Carniola and you as a Pole probably deep inside Bohemian lands.And the way he describes Slovenia in the past is exactly how my grandparents described this area to me before Tito and before that in Austria-Hungary.>your ardent nationalism is exactly...People only see loud obnoxious herzegshits waving flags and doing neo-nazi salutes despite tito settling them across dalmatia after he kicked out italians that would kill every one of them. I fucking can't anymore, they and those torcida gypsiesI live in a region where there are big monuments to partisans on every 5 km of county road, I grew up never being exposed to what everyone outside apparently associates with CroatiaMost people on the Thomson concert don't even live in Croatia and then larp as being patriotic. Idk I don't listen to him he sounds a bit too balkan for my taste but +90% of his music isn't "nationalistic", it's patriotic. He doesn't call for killing of non-Croats or conquering new lands, at least now but I wouldn't be surprised if he did during the war.
>>226038731Međimurje and large parts of Zagorje and that north-western edge weren't. They were by pre-Ottoman Dalmatian Croats likely but not by later deep balkan populations. Later the modern city of Zagreb was formed around migrations from Zagorje and the north including the German speaking population of the empire.People from Slovene lands also settled some regions of Croatia during the early modern era which you already knowIstria is a special case but the Kvarner area didn't see significant Serbian or Bosnian-like population settling down until the 20. century. Serbs were only known as traveling merchants from the east.
>>226039261I know a guy called Brenko and his family is from Croatian Istria. I would've thought that is a Styrian surname!
>>226039217risorneremo
>>226039316Istria is a mix of everything. Local Croats, Slovenes, Italians (Venetians, Istriots), Croats that came from Lika and Dalmatia as the Ottomans were invading, Serbs and Montenegrins that came from the Ottoman empire, Bosnian Croats and in places like Labin there are still probably people with Czech and other northern roots.Istro-Romanians are by now just Croats that know how to speak an archaic half-slavic Romanian dialect.
>>226039261>I live in a region where there are big monuments to partisans on every 5 km of county road,cuo sam viceve o crvenoj istri ali nisam znao da to je na takom nivouza mene je najveci istranin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mNJ5O6e0WQ
>>226039261Your commie monuments aren‘t a testament to anything but the existence of a postwar commie regime.
>>226039495people had an amount of pride in the fact that Yugoslavia went its own way following WWII and that was made possible by the partisan resistance, which turned into the postwar regime.
>>226039451Italians in Slovene Istria were a meme, immediately outside of the walls of those towns the Slavic placenames began, such as Sečovlje (from seča - deforestation).
>>226039536What a stupid thing to say. Look at the DDR, think for a bit.
>>226039594the DDR was a Soviet puppet state. Yugoslavia was an independent state, it was not part of the Warsaw Pact.
>>226039573https://youtu.be/CvLoUIBwEDs?is=UDPVI48nJ_aQ-T_srisorneremo viva idduce
>>226039487Not in Istria thoThe whole of north and west Croatia is socialist and very left leaning. Not necessarily communist today but we don't get triggered by commies like some other areas do. But I think they are like that mostly because of what Serbs and what was left of Yugoslavia did to them in the 90s, otherwise most of the country would be more like us or Slovenia.>>226039495They are to the people that fought and died under German and Italian occupation. A lot of them have a list of local people named that died during WW2.
It's interesting that unlike the other Eastern European states, Yugoslavia exhibited an independentmindedness even before WWII, when the Serbian airforce carried out a coup against the PM for signing a pact with Germany, thus making YU into a German puppet state. This was followed by a German invasion and the start of the resistance immediately after. But even then, the Slovenes had our own resistance, the Osvobodilna Fronta composed of Slovene and using Slovene officially, just like Slovenia continued to do after the war.
>>226039736>Yugoslavia exhibited an independentmindedness even before WWIIidk what it means, pretty much every eastern european country did that as much and as long as it could, neither Germany nor the USSR had any allies in the region before they issued an ultimatum to them.
>>226039316Well today I talked with a "Serbo-Croatian" guy from Rijeka with the last name Lautar
>>226039783well Poland was against Germany obviously, but countries like Hungary, Slovakia, Romania and Bulgaria fell in line without any resistance and most already had far right gov't's at the time of joining the Berlin pact. Czechia was more democratic, but it failed to put up a fight.
>>226039896the Slovenian cultural society in Croatia has its HQ in Rijeka, not in Zagreb. A lot of people moved there in the late 19th century when Slovenia was having agricultural problems.
>>226039975On my third semester I sat down and studied at Slovenski dom in Rijeka
>>226040058and I'm sure people continued to move there well after WWII, cause people who migrated to CRO 150 years ago are probably Croats now, not Slovenes, in order to identify as Slovene those people need to be up to three generations removed from their immigrant ancestors imo
I mean families who migrated 150 yrs ago
>>226040097>and I'm sure people continued to move there well after WWIIIdk, I saw censuses from Rijeka before WWI and after WWII.Before the Great War Slovenes made up a double digit percentage of Rijeka town if I remember correctly.Of course no one called it "Rijeka" then, it was Fiume by Italians and Hungarians and Reka by both Croats and Slovenes with Croats towards Bakar saying "Rika".Also the census reported more English than Serbs lol which in the present sounds absurdAfter WWII when Italians had to leave we get a very different picture and Slovenes also become a very insignificant minority.
>>226040269well I looked up the Slovenski dom and it's named Bazovica (modern Basovizza), after a Slovenian village on the Kras plateau that remained a part of Italy after WWII and where a controversial monument to Slovenian antifascist resistance fighters from the interwar period stands.
>>226040325It looks like Italians also have a foibe monument in Basovizza
>>226040473totally forgot about that, they actually believe that we committed genocide against them. Or they don't believe it, but they see an easy way of smearing our reputation by conflating us with nations further down in the Balkanlar who actually have committed genocide recently.
>>226040684Like in every war, all sides want to claim victim status and frame the other as the villains
>>226030424I heard that they are germanised slavs, but a good ones unlike Czechs Idk never spoke with one or went there
>>226041464how are Czechs not good? they want to scam you when you come to their country, and they're a bit feisty, tho not as much as the Rus or Poles or Serbs. I don't think they're that bad overall.
>>226041464>unlike CzechsLol why?I remember my dad telling me, it think it was about the Russians and the Czechs, always beating the shit out of each other in ice-hokey.Not sure if I'm confusing it with some other nations.
>>226041495>>226041513Quite annoying to interact with online, frankly always annoying to interact with online Had a friend travel there, he said the beer was mid compared to german and some stuffs were degen (quite germanic thing, such as one highway and a sex toys museum in the middle of the capital)
>>226041743>he said the beer was mid compared to germanWell it's super cheap apparently!>and some stuffs were degen (quite germanic thing, such as one highway and a sex toys museum in the middle of the capital)Kek I've also noticed way more sex shops and local being more degenerate when I was there in 2018. I wouldn't say that's necessarily a German thing
>>226041743West Slavic ppl would try anything to attract more tourists, maybe it's cause they're far from the Med. A good example is random sculptures of like fairy tale creatures or weird cartoon characters in their cities, the only reason for which is to serve as a curiosity for foreigners.
>>226031144>And I especially don't appreciate the ones clinging desperately to the idea that we're not Balkan *sniff*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDrHqNZ9lo
>>226030424Slovenes are a transitional form between Croats and Austrians.
