Today we celebrate Gustav Adolf, Sweden's greatest king. He found Sweden a backwater shithole losing 3 wars of annexation - He settled each war, centralized the nation and turned Sweden into a fucking empire. He was the 3rd to last European king to die in battle.
Bit weird to celebrate on the day he died
When was Sweden at war again and what exactly happened?
>>226049046It coincided with a great victory. I don't think his birthday was anything special.
>>226049090Was a Pyrrhic victory though
>>226048990Reminder this dude got axed by a few slavs squatting in the fog.
Sweden was the Israel of the 17th century. Thankfully the USA of its time (France)stopped backing it.
>>226049179Filled the war quota, so now we're peace-loving hippies instead (except for some sneaky exports)
>>226049179Sweden is the only TRUE kingdom of Scandinavia and must be backed so they may civilize the wild finngolians, sorry but it's a fact! Sending another 500 000 francs their way
>>226048990i played as this swigga in civ5
>>226049856That's Denmark though
>>226048990>I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the Germen, but the Gerwomen and the Gerchildren, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM.
>>226048990Why's he dressed up as grandma's coffee table
>>226050024>That's Denmark thoughThose coomers didn't fight a war between civilizations (nordic vs cannibal-rapist)
>>226050026Beats being taken alive
>>226049259Incorrigible
>>226049856Just how much gold did FSPAC( French Sweden Public Affairs Committee for the Zainichi gaijin) give you Cardinal?
>>226050065whats the context behind this image
>>226049179The participation of Sweden in the 30 Years War was only possible due to the financing of France. And both states kept being allies throughout the 17th and 18th century.
>>226050904Swedish mercs tortured all German civilians they could get their hands on during the 30 years war. They used these learnings to later torture and sack Poles, that's why they're still mad about it 400 years later
>>226050904During the swedish/french phases of the 30 Years War (here 1630 t0 1648) swedish forces became infamous for torturing civilians by forcing excrements down their throats. This form of torture was nothing new (pic rel comes from the late middle ages) but imperial propaganda focused on the cruelty of the swedish army in order to drum up a sense of german patriotism against the foreign invaders. There is also a popular book from the late 1660s about a fictional german mercenary from said war which describes this method.
>>226050904https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwedentrunk>The Schwedentrunk (German: [ˈʃveːdn̩ˌtʁʊŋk], Swedish drink) is a method of torture and execution in which the victim is forced to swallow large amounts of a foul liquid, such as excrement.Learned about this by playing a Total War mod.
>>226051077timmies were wild back in the day
>>226048990Is it a holiday? We also have flags hoisted today though it's called the Swedish day.
king o SSweden
>>226051137>Learned about this by playing a Total War mod.How? I doubt that this was a mechanic. Also which mod?
>>226051433No. He wouldn't want that, we've protestant work ethic.
>>226048990Why does he look so different in CiV?
>>226048990XVII Sweden is kino and the only Nordic country with interesting modern history.If all you have is to larp as Antiquity or Middle Ages then you have no history.
>>226052061delet thisdo not reveal state secrets
>>226052149It's too late, they already know of your plans.
>>226049090>>226049121The death of Adolphus lead to the Swedes getting absolutely buckbroken by a Spanish BVLL at Nordlingen though
>>226050024Kalmar union was founded by the king of Sweden and the queen of Norway and only lasted a few decades before being recreated by Denmark nearly a hundred years later where it lasted even shorter.
>>226051666The mod is just called Thirty Year War.https://www.twcenter.net/forums/1648-thirty-years-of-war.1965/I think it's made by some Germans on Total War Centre, so it's originally in German, but has an English translation pack. As far as mods for that game go, it's pretty good imo.It's not a mechanic in the game, either. At the start of some turns, there are popups/tidbits of information about the actual conflict displayed periodically. For example, it will tell you about things like the Bohemian Revolt, different factions entering the conflict, shifts in political and military structure of German states, etc. At one point, one of those tells you about the Swedish drink.
>>226050065so cute how the finns are helping :D
>>226051968I heard the 3D artist assumed the painting in the background was a self-portrait, instead of his father's.
>>226051077Lmaooo. Have germans ever recovered from this?
>>226049179wtf are you talking about?
How do Finns feel about stuff like this? Since they were part of the Kingdom of Sweden for a long time. Did they fight under Gustavus Adolphus too? Do they also take any pride in it or take it as part of their national heritage too?I find ethnicities within larger kingdoms to be interesting, like the Welsh in England or Slovaks in Hungary. In those examples, the Welsh and Slovaks contributed significantly to the larger kingdom they were in. Did Finns experience a similar thing in the Kingdom of Sweden?
>>226054905https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abABSbm8RLM&list=RDabABSbm8RLM&start_radio=1
>>226053246Ah that one. Yeah it is fun but I just klicked away most of those pop ups.>>226054107In the Northern War of 1674/79 north german peasants hunted swedish soldiers after the Battle of Fehrbellin, where a brandenburgian army destroyed the swedish one.
>>226055096That about sums it up then. Thank you.
>>226054905He was our King.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqntv_XCgkw
>>226054905>>226056508Longer answer is that outside nationalist-historians everyone agrees Finland and Finns were an integral part of the Swedish kingdom, as in when discussing historical events; "We" means the Swedish kingdom as a whole. Things relating only to Finns and Finland means discussing local events. For example it is said "The King" did X thing/made a new law/founded a city etc. never "the Swedish King".
It's also considered the national day of the fennoswedes in Finland. Traditionally modersmålets sång is sang today.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WnL37MIWxg
>>226048990Hello, Spain wins again. Anyways, congrats for being brave at those times.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_N%C3%B6rdlingen_(1634)The Battle of Nördlingen,[c] fought over two days from 5 to 6 September 1634, was a major battle of the Thirty Years' War. An Imperial–Spanish force led by the Cardinal-Infante Ferdinand and Ferdinand of Hungary inflicted a crushing defeat on the Swedish–German army led by Gustav Horn and Bernhard of Saxe-Weimar.Nördlingen effectively destroyed Swedish power in southern Germany, and has been described by some commentators as "arguably the most important battle of the war".[6] It has been also portrayed as "a Spanish victory," with victory owing much to the performance of the veteran tercios, We always won, in Europe, America, Africa or Asia.
>>226057653you literally lost the war. this is like the english bragging about agincourt despite losing the HYW, it's just sad cope.
>>226054768>finland was promised to us 3000 years ago eller något
>>226058227I was just talking about Nordlingen against the Swedish army. And we did not lose the war, we did not give a fuck. It was the Habsburgs Kings in Spain using the Spanish Tercios to support their own interests in central Europe. Most Spanish soldiers were already in America at that time so we did not send all our power, probably not even the 10%.
>>226058227True. Out of all the great powers Spain got the least out of the 30 Years War. Hell, the war between France and Spain would drag on to 1659 and there was also no real gain for Spain in the Treaty of the Pyrenees.>>226057653I wonder, do spanish people that are interested in this time period know about the advances the Imperial-Spanish armies under Piccolomini did into France in the late 1630s? Even Paris was threatened for a time. I don't think I've ever seen any depiction of those offensives - perhaps this goes against the established pop history view that the HRE and Spain were on the backfoot for the entirety of the war?
>>22606009590% of Spaniards barely know 3 kings of the Reconquista or 3 Conquistador soldiers so...most people did not even know that Spain had wars in central Europe for some time.Probably just a 3-4% know that Spain built the Camino Real from Italy to the Netherlands for example.If I remember well, the Spanish soldiers could have taken or looted Paris but they refused.
>>226060299Yeah History is sadly a subject matter that gets the short end of the stick in school curriculums and is very easily politicised. Here it is not much better.>If I remember well, the Spanish soldiers could have taken or looted Paris but they refused.No. Supply issues and a renewed swedish offensive forced the imperial-spanish army back into Germany. The latter stages of the 30 Years War was just a game of cat and mouse where the Imperial-Spanish Army would defeat Sweden, force them back into northeastern Germany, then react to a french offensive in the west and march there to meet them, all the while Sweden rebuilt its strenght and went on another offensive to which the Imperial-Spanish army was again forced to react to.
Can any of you guys recommend a book on the Thirty Years’ War, either written in English or translated to English? The only other language I know is Italian.
>>226060939I've read the Diary of Peter Hagendorf; a soldier who largely fought for the imperial side. Due to him being able to read and write competently he lucked out and often landed "comfy" administrative positions - he still saw his fair share of combat. Sadly I don't think that it exists in english but there is apparently this book (The Thirty Years War: A Documentary History by Tryntje Helfferich) which contains this diary in addition to another diary and other sources and works - I would go with this one.
>>226061195I appreciate it. It’s going on my reading list.
>>226055275>Ah that one. Yeah it is fun but I just klicked away most of those pop ups.Playing Europa Barbarorum kind of steered me towards being a little bit of a history nerd. So when those popups appear, at least in a good mod, sooner or later I try to read most of them.It can be cool. If I didn't, I wouldn't have known that the Thirty Years War was the most destructive conflict in European history up until World War 1. It also led to me learning about the French attempt at limiting Hapsburg power and their emergence as the dominant continental power after the conflict.
>>226048990Meds are better
>>226057653>We always won
>>226059507>Most Spanish soldiers were already in AmericaThose were the scrubs
>>226057653Swedish accomplishments in the 30 years' war: Single-handedly conquered half of Germany, became an empire (population: 1 million)Spanish accomplishments in the 30 years' war: Won 1 battle, ran their empire into the ground to do so (population: 30 million, owned half the globe at that point)
>>226054905It's our history and they were our kings and the stuff they did affected us as well. But it's kinda distant history by now so not very relatable.
>>226067808Ignore them. They are a very delusional people
