My family CoA.Does your family have a CoA?
>>226220289Caste system: Poland edition
>>226220289We don't have that in korea
>>226220289My family isn't noble. But it was something like this probably for my ancestors according to the history. A small part of them were some Polish nobles who were exiled to Russia.
>>226220289Supposedly this but I will never be able to confirm the ancestry.
>>226220289>>226220689only paaans and zanichi paaans will post in this thread because each coat of arms has like 1000 families in it unlike in the west where you're doxxing yourselfpicrel is mine
>>226220289Yest. Timmy Pedro Tyrone McMutt
my great granny is from small behind-wall (zaściankowa) gentry, meaning the title has not been passed down from here but still, it's a nice thing to know about your familiy
>>226222371>only paaans and zanichi paaans will post in this thread because each coat of arms has like 1000 families in it unlike in the west where you're doxxing yourselfIf people pin war crimes and other shit to me then I pin my noble heritage into my identity the same way, white boy.
>>226222870>slav calls another slav a white boy as an insultpottery
>>226222906>slavI am paleo-Balkan though, but this only exists as a distinction in autist circles since Slavs thoroughly wiped out non-Slavic identity when they came here.
No because I'm a 100% commoner not a noble. "family CoA" for commoners is ultimate cringe. Only exception is if your family has actually "made it" historically and has been a rich burgher family for like 500 years.
>>226222982>has been a rich burgher family for like 500 years.Mine has been herding sheep on one mountain for 500-600 years, this is why we are so smart, we had time to think.
>>226222962paleo-Balkan? you guys are mixed with 10 different Turkic and 20 other slavic tribes may be with some mediterranean admixture, I am not trying to even poke fun but that sounds quite silly, it's like those german neopagans or turks doing there tengri shamanic mambo-jambo
>>226223024>baiting while saying I am not trying to baitThis is an age old tactic.
>>226223037I am being serious, it's as if I was, as a Pole, trying to cling to pre-baptism Polish tribe, when I have absolutely 0 connection with them, I mean there are some families and cultures that last ages unchanged but I find what you said hard to believe especially giving the hisotry of the region that are Balkans
>>226223114Nobody is trying to cling to anything here, we are genetically influenced a lot by paleo-Balkanites, which usually ranged from dark brown MENA-tier Anatolians to "white" people kind of related to Romans and ancient Greeks (not that they were either). My point is that there is no other identity remaining, nobody clings to it because it got wiped out except in Albania.But clueless people like you see Balkans and then conclude everyone with dark hair came during the Ottoman times, which is not true.And because of such ignorance western Europeans think Greeks looked like Swedes before Turks came.
>>226220289i can play?
>>226222784>behind-wall (zaściankowa)are you stupid, or just dont know how the language works?
>>226223227it's a word play joke, dumbass>>226223175I literally haven't made any objective statement aside from >you guys are mixed with 10 different Turkic and 20 other slavic tribes may be with some mediterranean admixturewhich is true and describes current state of events, I have made no comments on that because I have not enough knowledge regarding the past of that region, only pointed out that declaring yourself as paleo-balkan sounds silly in current state of things
>>226223306>which is true and describes current state of eventsLink me 3 studies that claim there is so much Turkic blood in ex-Yu lands. Surely you are not just pulling things out of your ass to justify something about your view on the region.Hell i'd be surprised if you even managed to link 1 because I've never found any except that's not like 60 years old.
>>226222906>another slavI assume you are referring to my noble paaan heritage here and not implicating that we TVRANIC BALTOFINNIC KARA BOĞA BVLLS are slavic... because if you're not... we might have a problem...
>>226223415yes, I meant the paaan blvd
>>226220289To all those who posted "their" Coat of Arms: do you have confirmable noble patents or do you just happen to share the last name of a noble family?
>>226223843Uh family's oral tradition claims it and a historian or two talked about it.
>>226220289what's the point of a coat of arms?
>>226223762np then fellow citizen of the commonwealth.
>>226224006dabbing on plebs without one mainly
>>226223843grandma was a genealogy autist plus it was all still in living memory in her time
>>226223375okay, I admit my mistake, apparently only Bulgaria has detectable traces of proto-bulgar tribes, also the paleo-balkan thing seems to be substantial, although slavic ancestry seems to contribute the most by far, at least in ex-yu, rest is like 40/40/20for Slavic, Anatolian, and Paleo-Balkan
>>226224120Yes that's about right, you don't need to know details.It's just a bit boring that people are so ready to speak on the Balkans while knowing zero things about it due how internationalised the conflict is.Nobody has to learn about us, but if one speaks on us it better be at least in the right yard. People talking about Balkan genetics spout 18th-19th century nonsense.
>>226223953Kek>>226224088Do you trust your great-grandparents when they claimed that they were nobles? Are there any documents, physical objects or estates that your family actually owns?>>226224006Initially to identify a noble person in official documentation, when it came to their right of land ownership or other regalia rights, and as identification marks on the battlefield. From there family coat of arms developed, which every family member was allowed to use. And in the 18th and 19th century rich bourgeois people could buy ennoblement patents, which also came with coats of arms, in order to flex on other commoners and more and more on the poor petty nobility. But those ennoblement patents were too usually bound only to one individual.
My main line were commoners, but the most paternal and recent noble family I can possibly trace to had this.
>>226220289Auughhhh there are still Sarmatians among Pooplacks.
>>226223843Over years of research, I have a dozen lines with varying degrees of certainty that connects to nobility. A good chunk of them are not just highly plausible but are the best candidate but without the exact baptism record. Pic rel (Campbell-MacIver in Craignish) is for a family that I can deduce the father of based on him appearing as a cautioner for a marriage in a church record (plus other circumstantial evidence) although baptism records are spotty around their time. A few are basically certain because I was lucky enough to find baptism records and still nothing disproving them (I periodically check and remove links).
>>226223843About my ancestor, I would say it's semi-confirmed. Like I know the story and what happened and some names, but it was mainly already in Russia. And there's no like official confirmation everywhere in the papers. Need to dig some archives, if they're in safe throughout this time.And I don't care about this much. Besides it's not like the main line. My main line were peasant.
I have zero proofs other than oral tradition and I am put off by such focus on proofs ITT.It's just part of the fun at the end of the day, Napoleon thought of himself as Alexander the Great.
>>226224734
All my recorded ancestors were peasants, merchants and burghers.
>>226224307my mind may have been mistaking the Turkic with Turkish, because the latter I am aware is mostly Anatolian, hence I mixed up these terms
>>226224958>merchants and burghers.I often find those are often the younger sons of nobility a generation or two removed from it in the British context, though not always.
>>226224682Bastard lol
>>226220289Prove it with the family tree
>>226225017In my main line I am actually a bastard, but this noble family weren’t bastards. Their coat of arms has the bend dexter not the bend sinister, the latter of which was uses to denote illegitimacy. They do eventually trace to a bastard of James IV of Scotland through several maternal lines though.
>>226220289oski...
>>226224919Even the Russian in the thread has substantiated his claims with proofs. Usually they do not brother either.
>>226220289this is mine
Woah I didn't know int was full of aristocrats.
>>226220289even if some line of the family did, theyre long gone with the establishment of the republic and ban of nobility
>>226220289Trąby.Confirmed thanks to the church archives up to 11generations (father is a local history hobbyist). He also told me that we had close ties with Ślepowron family
>>226225764>>226225316Have sex.
>>226224475>when they claimedyou couldn't just "claim" to be a noble in the russian empire, retard. >recordschurch records.
>>226222184Lmfao that's a larp nigga. But that's still better than like 30% of the country who claim they have an ancestor who had to migrate because he killed a Turk o algo
>>226226719Is that the Serbian version of the Cherokee princess myth?
>>226220289no, I'm from a poor portuguese farmers family
>>226220289Not really, they were a union between two families and used the coat of arms of these two historically.
>>226220289Cwelosławie...
>>226225316Trampostrzelosławie...
>>226226719No, my family claims that and we also claim to have emigrated to Montenegro because we raided a Turkish caravan, but before we came to Montenegro we came from Kosovo and we are supposedly descendents of Vojinovici.
>>226227587>to MontenegroFrom Montenegro.
>>226227587>>226227605Sorry for the unreadable post I am.getting raped by a headache.
Are you guys just googling your last names + coat of arms and pick the first best one?That is not how it works
>>226222982Commoners in the Kingdom of Sweden could always adopt a coat of arms though. It was never reserved for the nobility here like it is in Britain
>>226227786we got a lot of retards here who think just because their last names end in "ski" it must mean they come from a noble line
>>226227844whats was the purpose for peasants to have a coat of arms?
Kundel Przecwelskiz budy burek
>>226227965Don't most of Poles have surnames ending on ski?
>>226223843If you have a noble last name then thats genuinely probably the same one, a family coat of arms belongs to a family and you can use if if you'd like, although it is often traditional to differentiate it within a family and there are some post-medieval "rules" about using them in some countries (I say "rules" because there were no rules in medieval times when everyone was inventing their own and adding ridiculous crests on at whim). I know that germans have legalistic autism surrounding the helmet and generally the use of a crown/coronet is reserved for someone with actual title or rank, but you dont even need to be an aristocrat to have a coat of arms, lesser nobles, gentry, and sometimes yeomen and burghers all did have coats of arms.>>226224006To identify yourself on a battlefield and sign documents. Out of date now >>226227786It sort of is, provided you have some idea of your ancestry. There are some elements which are unique to individuals and titles though, such as (in germany) helmets with different numbers of bars, some different branches have different crests, and crowns/coronets are signs of rank (baron, duke etc). For a commoner/gentry you'd have no crown and a jousting helmet.Also Poland had like 10% nobility as it distinguished the gentry too, so statistically theyre likely all telling the truth.
>>226220289I am not a rothschild so no
