What are the odds we get a demo?
>>51010568How many years has Zun been using that drawing? kek
>>51010568If its not music CD then its probably a spin off, and those usually dont get demos
Chances are it's not a demo since FW just came out last year, so I'd say it's probably a new CD.
>>51010568Incredibly high actually.Look at ZUN's release timeline, he's been consistent since 2013. It's:Mainline GameDecimal GameMainline GameYear BreakThis year is a decimal game year, unless ZUN decides to just break an over decade long streak out of the blue.
>>51012572What streak are you even talking about? There's more to a game than the decimal, ZUN only made 2 of the 4 decimal games in the past decade.
>>51012572we didn't get a decimal game in 2024
>>51012676>>51012696It probably took you more time to write such a confidently stupid posts than it would have taken to just look up the Touhou release timeline.Since 2013:2013: DDC2014: ISC*2015: LoLK2016:2017: HSiFS2018: VD*2019: WBaWC2020:2021: UM2022: 100BM*2023: UDoALG2024:2025: FWObviously this isn't including any non-ZUN games (i.e. the fighting games and SFW)
>>51012704THAT'S THE SAME PATTERN I NOTICED (and thought I discovered) TOO!!! Finally someone who gets it
>>51010568Violet Detector 2
>>51012968Nina looks to discover the hidden truths behind the spellcards of Gensokyo
It's either going to be a too-soon photogame that pretends not to be one, or that Th20 overhaul I keep hearing about.
>>51012704Now that the pattern has been posted, it's doomed to be broken...
who cares, it's going to be full of ai slop anyway
>>51012704Huh, fair enough.
>>51013317I care.
>>51013317Why do you immediately assume that anything new will be bad? That's not a particularly healthy mindset you know?
>>51013189>too-soonLast photogame was in 2018 Anon, it's been 8 years photography free!
>>51013589StB, DS, ISC, VD, 1BM
>>51013777I wouldn't blame someone for throwing 100BM into the "photo and photo-adjacent game" bin, but it's so far divorced from the original "collection of spell cards" concept of StB that it's kind of weird to directly compare the two.
So what are the odds of ZUN finding someone to replace Tasofro and make new fighting game/other spinoff made by diffrent doujin group?
>>51013796kind of low. They weren't just 'that game studio that does the fighting games' to ZUN, they were close friends. That's why the head of the studio gets to work on official touhou mainline sprites now. It's more likely we don't get a fighting game again at least until tasofro hires some new talent.
>>51013785It's not explicitly a photogame, but it follows the same "1-2 spellcards per boss, 1-3 bosses per stage, everyone from the previous 2-3 games is present" formula as the rest.
>>51013819>tasofro>talent
>>51013796ZUN didn't seek out Tasofro, they explicitly came to him.He's pretty amicable so he could work with another doujin group on something, but I wouldn't count on it.
>>51013873I said new for a reason
>>51013873Tasofro is talented. Just because Sunken Fossil World was a souped up Flash game doesn't change that,
>>51013482because everything new IS bad, and touhou is no exception to the rule
>>51013970Then just come back in 8 years
>>51013970Bad relative to what? ZUN's own standards he set? That's like saying Michaelangelo's works after painting the Sistine Chapel really were bad, and no I'm not saying ZUN is a renaissance man but you've gotta understand that even ZUN at his most mediocre is still better than 90% of other games on the market.
>>51014365>ZUN at his most mediocre is still better than 90% of other games on the market.You must be really delusional, cause his shit has always been mediocre at best and has always been tolerated purely because of the girls and music.
>>51014797Holy secondary mindset
>>51014843Not really There have been and are much better shmups than Touhou Touhou never really stood out because of pure gameplay (the exception being the phantasmagoria games which were unique at the time)If you take the characters out, you get an average shmup with substandard level design and stronger focus on the boss battles Not saying that they are bad, but they most certainly aren't "better than 90% of other games", maybe if actually played other shmups you could see that, but alas.
Do tertiaries really
I've played other shmups by the way, Touhou games are genuinely in the top echelons (especially if you consider the mountains of actual garbage that pad out the genre, I don't get why people treat it like a sacred cow when the low entry barrier means there's so much shit that makes up a majority of it), when people say things like "Well actually, Touhou kind of sucks massive dick compared to real shmups", what they're actually doing is cultivating an elitist mindset by downplaying the successes of the most popular and enduring shmup on the market to both fit into a community of perpetually angry manchildren, and because hating popular thing means you're actually intelligent and the things you say hold real weight. You have to view comments like this with the lens of "the greater shmup community really fucking hates Touhou because it's too popular".That said if you only play Touhou it's still a good idea to expand your horizons. Like Dreamer is very Touhou-esque while having its own identity and it's a very good shmup. You should play it. Some people like Len'en. I don't, I think it's shit that people pretend to like because they're attracted to shotas, but I guess try it and decide for yourself as well.
>>51014797I never thought I'd see someone unironically embrace the "it's just qualityslop, you only like it because it's good" mindset.
>>51014861>(phantasmagoria games which were unique at the time)It's amazing you tried to pretend that you actually play other STG's and then you immediately outed yourself as someone who had never played other STG's before. Every part of this post and every post you made up to this point was retarded but that alone takes the cake as the dumbest thing you've said, because it is factually false. Please never post again and go back to whatever general you crawled from.
>>51016591name one single player VS shmup made before PoDD
>>51016600even a mega larper can gleam the wiki page for PoDD and find out
>>51016600......just kill yourself, it will be less humilliating.
>>51016591nta, he is retarded, but PoFV is a pretty different beast from TSS.Not to say they're completely divorced, but PoFV has a number of altered systems that make the game and its balance feel very different from its inspiration. TSS focuses heavily around perfectly executed combos to use character agnostic offensive pressure and winning the combo war (which imo makes the roster feel more balanced but also a bit samey) while PoFV is more about general survival, long term bullet and resource maintenance, and knowing how to win spell wars. Because the universal offense is so weak, the impetus for pushing pressure on the opponent falls on character specific tools, which is why the game has such a stratification between good and bad characters and why the best characters are all so heavily defined by the offensive pressure they can create through their specific tools (granted, two of the three gods of PoFV also have incredibly strong defensive tools, but I digress. The fact that Reimu can still be a god despite having mediocre defense tells you all you need to know about what makes a character in PoFV good)PoDD is very much just student project TSS though.
>>51016600Wow, you actually doubled down. Me telling you to stop posting was advice you really should'va took.>>51016972Oh don't get me wrong. Multiplayer STG's/SHMUP's in general are rarities and it feels like VS ones even moreso, and the ones that exist are all pretty varied, but anon naming the Phantasmagoria games specifically as unique is retarded on both the front of PoDD for reasons you've already stated (not a knock on it though) and PoFV because by that point there was already plenty of other games in the co-op and VS STG subgenres. Then again it's not like I have much experience with either because I don't have friends who play STG's and I don't like being the guy that makes it unenjoyable/carries/stomps others out of the genre like it's a fighting game.
30th year anniversary of the reveal of HRTP (and thus Touhou as a whole) is coming soon. It's gonna be a new game that finally properly recognizes the PC98 games (with a couple of retcons) into the current canon and brings back the rest of its characters. Trust ZUN's master plan.
>>51017562I would kill for an expo with ZUN's behind the scenes work for PC98
>>51017562Let me guess, your bones were really feeling it during the leadup to 20? I'm taking the piss but all fucking around aside, ZUN genuinely does not want to acknowledge PC-98 anymore. The topic usually gets avoided entirely and the few times it does come up he doesn't really say anything. And I get it, because that was back when he was super young and nobody likes looking at their creations from when they were young and inexperienced, partially due to quality, not to say PC-98's games are bad when it's really just HRTP that's shit, and partially due to memories which may or may not be the good kind of nostalgia. And in ZUN's case, there's the other part of what I can only assume is the Japanese version of "oh my god half of this stuff is just stuff I jacked it's basically a legal nightmare and super embarrassing aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa". I know he likes to play it off as not remembering anything from that era, which is my one line in the sand where I can confidently say is him just being embarrassed or not really wanting to talk about it because if I was in his exact same position in life would basically be impossible unless I actually created and released literally everything I did exclusively during benders, but also I'm not ZUN so I can't say that as if it's a 100% set in stone fact. But I really do believe that you truly do never forget the things that you've made, especially the formative ones. God I fucking wish you could, but you really can't.
>>51018303Not that guy, but I'd love for PC-98 to be revisited. For better or for worse, much of Touhou's legacy, both legitimate and meme-wise, is traced back to that era. ZUN had no problems bringing back four characters from that era while also changing quite a bit about them, why couldn't he do the same for the remaining girls from that era? Hell, I'd argue that some PC-98 girls have more fans and bigger impact than some of the new-hus. Jesus fucking christ, I just want Alice and Yuuka to be relevant again. If there's a time to shove them in back to the spotlight, it'd be a game that's a comeback or revision of PC-98 stuff.
>>51018565>spoilerhe straight up refers to Yuuka as a guest character at this point, she's never coming back. Alice probably won't either.
>>51018303Idk its plenty believable to me that he would have a hard time remembering stuff from 30 years ago, especially since he's been working on completely unrelated stuff for the past 25~ years, and since he attends social stuff and has a life and a wife, that makes it a lot harder to ultra sperg and commit every autistic thing you do to permanent memory
>>51018637Yeah, not to mention that he constantly rewrites canon, mostly because he himself doesn't remember it.
>>51018634Yuuka probably won't come back in any major way (not popular enough to force ZUN's hand like he eventually was with Flandre, another character he infamously doesn't care for), but you're insane if you think Alice is gone. Hell, I'm pretty sure we've seen her recently somewhere, she's always been portrayed as one of the more major characters.
>>51018692>we've seen her recentlyyeah, in a coma with no dialogue lol
>>51018700kek, I completely forgot her last appearance was getting lost in the shift from Ginmokusei to her successor.As fun as it is to joke about her canonically being dead, she'll come back sooner or later when ZUN needs a straight man magician for Marisa to bounce off of.
Alice's last appearance was in the Satori manga, the first arc which was around 2020, 6 years ago.The gap between the release of the PS2 and the PS3 was 6 years.>Sanae.jpg
>>51018692Yuuka showed up last time in Wild and Horned Hermit, but we don't know what happened after she drank that sake from that Oni cup.
Unrelated, but the Touhou games on Steam, the official ones, appear to be on sale again as part of the bullet fest
>>51018303>ZUN genuinely does not want to acknowledge PC-98 anymore.18.5 and 19 had a couple of small references to it.
