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What?
>>51020610Hahaha, that's a funny joke, anon.A real jokester you are.
Trailer since OP is a cocksucking retardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aynvHvrNmQ
Look at Flan's magic circle, is this shit AI?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4659620/Touhou_Koumakyou_New_Classic__the_Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Must be fake
>KoumakyuI sleep
what the fuck
>>51020634How do we feel about the fact that we have an official English translation for a mainline game?
Is the new arranged OST going to be by ZUN of someone else?
>>51020628ProbablyThe whole thing looks like fucking shit honestly, I hope there's an option for original graphics and music.>>51020640EoSD is the most popular game in the series so it makes since they would skip PC98 to remake it, as for the other Windows games not on Steam, this will probably pave the way for them.
Awesome, a catalyst for even more EoSD fanart. Now the amount of fanart and content for FW characters can go down from 10 a month to 5. Great!
the chance to see Reimu in Smash started to become just 0,5 more real
>its real???
For reference, this also includes the original game with no changes as part of the package. >>51020649I believe yes.
>>51020656Not my problem nor anyone else's. Make fanart of the newhus yourself if it bothers you so much.
We're getting an OFFICIAL Touhou localization from the same people who did the localization that caused this: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2914150/view/502856256328827730
>>51020661>with no changesAccording to the Steam page it "recreates the original 2002 gameplay as closely as possible", so it's very possible that there are some things they've missed or fucked up
>>51020667Is it outright confirmed to be the same people? I haven't heard any mentions on the stream from it.
>>51020649I think it's going to be someone else. In the trailer it says >re arrangements of all musical tracks crafted by Zun To me this sounds more like someone else's doing the arrangements To
>>51020661>For reference, this also includes the original game with no changes as part of the package.thank god
>>51020667>still relying on trannylationsYou’ve had 30 years to learn the language
>>51020610I didn't see the first 15 minutes and missed THIS?Why such an old game, though?
Start the remakes from 1 coward
>ZUN talks constantly about how he's not a filthy indie but a true blue doujin dev making things for the passion>Has a publisher help make a polished version of one of his most popular games to sell everywhereWait until we find out it was made with AI assets to boot
>>51020682Because it's 6 so it's the one secondaries know about what else.
>>51020683no one is remaking elder scrolls arena
Even 2hu is getting remakes
>>51020685>Wait until we find out it was made with AI assets to bootSome of them already look like AI upscaled graphics lmao
>>51020689To be fair, EoSD is basically the worst coded game in the entire series. The early Windows era has its quirks but being the first game beyond PC-98 led to it having a lot of oddities, if any game deserved a remake it was that one.
>>51020682>Why such an old game, though?Do you want ZUN to release a remake of UDoALG instead? What do you think the purpose of a remake is?
https://x.com/salicereprise/status/2064357894339072196
>>51020693>Some of them already look like AI upscaled graphicsDo you have a specific example? Because all of the sprites are new.
Never did I think I'd live long enough to see touhou of all things enter a remaster slop era lmao, but to be completely fair, EoSD is kind of an ancient piece of shit that needs tweaking to run properly on modern machines so it makes sense, Steam only has games starting from 10 onwards if I recall correctly.
>>51020685>>51020701Look at this and tell me it isn't AI>>51020628
>>51020667I thought those fuckers got merc'd
Looks very pretty. Every game should have Pointdevice mode so that's already an improvement.>>51020693>>51020705Steam forces you to have a disclaimer for AI, retard.
>>51020705AI upscaled from what, retard? The asset for that magic circle in EoSD was grey, not red, with no text inside of it. It's a brand new asset probably overlaying a bunch of Arabic text.
>>510207111. Kill yourself Turk2. ZUN is known for ignoring that requirement, he's done it multiple times.
>>51020694my copy uploaded to the pirate bay in 2008 runs flawlessly
>>51020718>ZUN is known forThe publisher isn't ZUN. Retard.
https://x.com/korindo/status/2064358850531336234
>>51020705It's not Flan's original sprite.It's not Marisa's original portrait.It's not Flan's original magic circle.What AI upscaling am I supposed to be seeing here?
Sprite work seems to be done by the same guy who handled character sprites in UDoALG>>51020703I remember reading one interview with ZUN in 2020 where he lamented how he couldn't bring especially EoSD to Steam because of its old code, and thought about remaking it at some point
He just randomly found a backup of the code recently?
>>51020667Dragonbaby isn't a part of Alliance Arts, as far as I know anyways.So it's the same publisher, not the same translators.
>>51020658Reimu in smash was also my very first thought. Dumber things have happened after all.
>>51020730No, it's a complete recreation of the game since the Steam description says the classic mode "recreates the original 2002 gameplay as closely as possible", it's not the actual original.
>>51020740I'm talking about what they're saying on stream. ZUN specifically said the word backup.
>>510206821. It's the most well known game2. EoSD has trouble running on modern PCs which is why it isn't on Steam3. ZUN lost the source code to the early games which precludes him from simply updating the game to work on modern hardware
Maybe Koakuma and Daiyousei can actually get some fucking lines as mid-bosses now.Soul or Soulless?
>>51020705Slopper here. It has none of the hallmarks of diffuser based upscaling. So either it's not AI-upscaled or ZUN got very good at inpainting and cleaning up his outputs, which given his performance in the previous two mainline games I find unlikely in the extreme.
>>51020750Someone else probably traced over his art.
>>51020658>>51020739Did AoCF and SFW not count?
>>51020723Actual retard
>>51020747No thanks, it's a monkey's pawn, I'd rather them stay silent.
>>51020753Decimal games obviously don't count.
>>51020682>Why such an old game, though?why do you think kanto pokemon, ff7, ocarina of time, persona 3, oblivion, and dq3 have gotten remakes
Are the character portraits AI upscaled?
>>51020756What makes it obvious? They're official games.
>>51020610I guess the other option would have been convincing ZUN to publish EoSD allow modding stuff in Steam and put some disclaimers of "game doesn't work properly in windows 10 and forward" and "I take no responsibilities of fanmods doing malicious stuff" to allow people getting a "pure port" which could probably be also ported to switch with some tweaking.Most Touhou mods are open source afaik so I guess they could also just have credited them or figured out shit for it to work on modern systems.But I guess mods are kowai or something
>>51020746The switch version at least seems to come with a "classic" version alongside a remastered one. It looks pretty much alike EoSD, which makes me wonder if he used the code from MoF or something to remake it.
rip touhou 1996-2026
>>51020752That'd be the simplest explanation and thus likely. People these days sure love to jump to AI conclusions, but tracing, which is just as as morally dubious when undisclosed, has been around for far longer.
https://x.com/i/status/2064366504020500903
>>51020737Replying to myself but checking their website, the game isn't listed on it on their portfolio. Likewise, checking through the other Alliance Arts games, it's not 1:1 with everything they've released. It's about half, and the Touhou games under Alliance Arts never got touched. Just Yunyun, the Needy Streamer Overdose games which are both by the same lead developer IIRC, and the two outliers in All in Abyss and Great Villainess Strategy of Lily. So they're not Alliance Art's exclusive translation group, and they already have a history of handing off the Touhou game translations to a group that isn't the Yunyun destroyers.Specifically the games the scumfucks didn't touch are Marisa of Liartop Mountain (good I was interested in that game), Waiting in the Lime Forest, Slay the Alice, Boyhoods End, Danmaku Kagura, Drainius, and Record of Lodoss War. Also to note they have a bunch of old games listed from before the company was formed, like Castlevania Symphony of the Night and Suikoden II, probably because it's a team of like 10-20 people and they collected all of their experiences under the companies label despite the fact it was only founded like 5 years ago. You know, the usual "from the makers of" and it's one guy who did QA testing of the game they "made". Point is, they're not touching this game until proven otherwise.
Honestly wondering if the omake and character backgrounds will be implemented into the game in it's own segment like the music room. It's a piece of story not told in game so I wonder if that will be the case considering console releases so it cannot be some txt file alongside the exe. That's if it was even thought of anyway.
Scarlet sister franchise btw. No one will pay for a game with, for example, Kaguya or Chimata in it. Good move by ZUN even if it's obvious to start with the windows games.
>>51020683ZUN would sooner fucking quit drinking than acknowledge TH1-5 in any way shape or form
>>51020760It's like how the West got Super Robot Wars when it was all OC stuff back on the GBA, but didn't get proper Super Robot Wars until a few years ago. It's just different.
i think the english translation will have yuri references
Don't reply to AI baiters.
>>51020767What? That retarted? The problem with tracing is stealing someone else's artwork and not giving credit. In this case ZUN probably just scanned the physical artwork and gave it to an artist to trace over.No one's being stolen from here.
>>51020759Looks traced to me
>>51020781Yeah someone went through a lot of effort to just redraw it.
>>51020779Well duh? It's his game. Obviously he knows what assets are being used and who handles them. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
>>51020767>but tracing, which is just as as morally dubious when undisclosed, has been around for far longer.To be fair if the art was redone with tracing it'd have been done either by ZUN or with ZUN's explicit permission. I think it's a heavily reference redraw if anything since there's just enough differences to see, like Reimu's character sprite for example. Nothing that screams AI to me and anyone talking about AI in this context is genuinely braindead retarded.
>>51020767>People these days sure love to jump to AI conclusionsZUN invited this on himself when he opened Pandora's Box. I don't feel much sympathy for him that all his future output will have the question lingering on it.
>>51020786>ZUN invited this on himselfThis doesn't excuse you from ignorance on the subject. If you look at what is very obviously not an AI upscale and scream "AI!!!" that's your stupidity, not ZUN's.
>>51020610If this third party company actually did a good job with the EoSD Remake, do you think they'll move to PCB next?
>>51020786Sure, but if you look at something that's very clearly original and not AI and scream AI you're not "not giving the benefit of doubt", you're just being a fucking retard.
>>51020718>ZUN is known for ignoring that requirementUDoALG released before Steam put that guideline afaik.... But I guess someone got too lazy to add it afterwards, lol>>51020750AI + tracing while fixing some errors is probably the safest way to do things since technically it doesn't contain any genAI stuff...So that's a possibility (Or maybe just someone doing "random" patterns like with Lunasa's skirt or Mystia's hat)
>>510207907/8 is probably in the cards to finish up the windows era
>>51020790PCB and IN probably since they're not on steam
>>51020790I don't know if they brought it up specifically but given that the circle is formed, I'd imagine they'd at least do one or two more games.
>>51020790Yeah, 7 and 8 aren't on Steam yet, I want to see the high res remastered neet princess in my monitor.
>>51020789>>51020793The Cirno sprite has a lot of weird anomalies to it that seem AI-ish, including that weird glossy AI style you see. Is it AI? I don't know, but ZUN's past actions mean I can't discount it as easily as I could with other creators.
>>51020807
>>51020790The circle was started by ZUN to presumably remake/remaster the older games. It's worked on by ZUN and people he knows so it's probably going to at least continue all the older mainline windows games are done.
>>51020790They'll skip it and go to MoF instead.
LOOKIN GOOD
>>51020807huh?
>>51020826Honestly at this point he's just baiting don't even bother replying.
Reimu vs Minecraft's Steve in Smash bros with Chen as an assist trophy helping Reimu take a stock from Steve. I'm going to will this into reality just by thinking about it.
「僕が紅魔郷のバックアップを見つけてきて、そこから全身の立ち絵を……」He found a backup of the original lmaohttps://www.youtube.com/live/WRX70TukCKY
The fact that the portraits are pretty faithful to the original inspires hope. Looks good.Another anon said it but I hope the omake is included in the game in some form, this is what I feel is most likely to get overlooked.
>>51020771I love Kaguya so I'd pay for a game with her, especially if she's playable.
>>51020826I'm starting to believe most people genuinely forgot how the original looked
>>51020826The wings look fucking awkward as hell>>51020829Yes Anon every opinion you don't like is bait.
Will you be drinking the Touhou Reprise official wine?
>>51020837Won't happen, chief. One sale is not enough to cover ZUN's weekly beer expenses.
>>51020844Maybe
>>51020807>>51020826Top of her head behind her ribbon in the OG sprite is her hair, in the upscale is part of her ribbon
>>51020834Huh, neat. Any other interesting tidbits?
I feel like they used ZUN's uncropped original drawings, then used an ai upscaler.
>>51020834Apparently the og source code and HD art is from this backup. I wonder if this entire game was only planned because ZUN randomly found it one day.
>>51020854huh, you're right. got turned into a makeshift mob cap
A touhou 6 remake means more touhou 6 hentai
>>51020834Lmao. Man finally sobered up and remembered where he had his code backed up. Maybe he found Rin Satsuki in there too.
Time for the cattle to be "upset" about Flan quoting a book with a "problematic title" :^)
>>51020854ZUN really took one look at AI and said "nah fuck having artistic integrity I need the money"
>>51020873I don't think he'll put Rin in there, he stopped working on her because he randomly decided to use Marisa instead. An extra couple of weeks though, and we could have had three...
Looking forward to the translation
>>51020876>Gets completely localized out
>>51020872>More Th6 hentaiThat's literally the only kind made.
>>51020854I was about to say this, ZUN has also some very vague coloring so parsing designs is hard.Her wings also look weird and have lost transparency.It's a pity that the colors also got simplified like Flan's eye's being the same as her dress now.>>51020844poorfag sadly.
>>51020854Nah it's just a coloring thing
>>51020876>>51020881Monkey's Paw: They instead quote the commiefesto
Here, a simple side by side for them.
>>51020879Yeah she definitely isn't in but I do wonder if anything was done for her that still remains in his back ups or if she was just an early idea that was scrapped early in development.
Imagine if this is actually some sort of FF7-esque Remake where its an incident that's actually part of some time travelling shenanigans, like 2hu 20its also why there's a infinite lives mechanic now like Touhou 15I wouldn't put it past the madman
>>51020892Prefer the older wings
>>51020892someone draw out the so-called ai parts in red so we can compare it and see whether anon needs to take their meds
>>51020894>FF7esque BLOATmakeGod spare us
>>51020876The one already using the non-problematic(and imo cooler sounding) title?Maybe some people will also somehow believe Ten Little Niggers was in the original but got sanitized away.
>>51020882To be exact, its TH6 to 12.That's probably that golden era and main focus of most ero doujin works. 13-15 still gets a couple of stragglers. And Clownpiece is an outlier in popularity from this era.Lewds of 2hus from 16 onwards are practically non-existent outside a few tryhards trying to be the dedicated lewd artist for that specific 2hu. Most newhus don't seem to have that magic that a lot of the older ones do.
>>51020876And then there were niggers?
>>51020892AI schizos are annoying, the wings don't match up at all. Someone clearly just looked at the sprite and tried very hard to redraw it without including their own style too much. The only thing they probably fucked up is the ribbon but maybe it wasn't fucking hair all along and the low res art got us good by disguising the ribbon instead.
New versions of the music playing in the livestream background. I like it, I guess. Did ZUN ever get those sound drivers fixed after the FW mishap? Did that stage 1 theme have the classic Romantic Tp at all?
10 MORE YEARS OF EOSD BIAS.Not even mad. More Daiyousei and Koakuma for me.
>>51020902Thought the book was a murder mistery, not Horror?
>>51020897I feel like this is easily a mistake a human could make. The color is off in the original too.
Will this at least make the series popular with younger people?
>>51020912It wasn't even announced in the English Direct, there's no way people will notice this.
most over hyped game ever perma carried by larping le old internet culture secondaries and now tainted with ai.
>>51020901aside from diisuke's urumi
>>51020912it's already popular with young people...in japan
>>51020912It already is, that's a well established fact at this point
>>51020910Not circled in red, invalid response.
>>51020914the west isn't relevant, the target audience is jp gen alpha yuukuri babies
>>510209122hu is already zoomercore in JP. (No, they still don't play the game, but the series' popularity there is a discussion for another time).
>>51020912schmups are a dead genre because you actually have to put effort into them to play them at a decent level. the average normie who plays fifa will game over to stage 1 on easy and then refund the game.
>>51020923Pink is just a lighter shade of red
>>51020912NTA but I know your 2wife wouldn't like you engaging in pandering to children.
SHOULD HAVE BEEN MYSTIC SQUARE
>>51020919Pretty sure anon already covered that in >a few tryhards trying to be the dedicated lewd artist for that specific 2huCow bitch isn't particularly popular at all.
>>51020912>implying that most of touhou's fanbase isn't young
>>51020924Touhou is already popular with young people in Japan
They're gonna remake EoSD - IN at least, right?Then suddenly Tasofro comes out with IaMP RE-POWERED or some shit up until Hisoutensoku
>>51020910thats it???
>>51020929How much did Israel pay you to think that?
I procrastinated long enough on those EoSD 1ccs that ZUN managed to find his backups lmao>>51020912What do you mean? Kids alredy love Fumos :^)Serioulsy tho, Zoomies and Alphies do not have the brainmatter in them to focus on anything, especially with games like Shmups.
>>51020775Correct, since these are the characters from Fantasy Maiden Wars - Dream of the Stray Dreamer, after all
>>51020920It's yukkuris that are popular not touhou. They might know the yukkuri but most of them don't actually know touhou.
>>51020688https://github.com/afritz1/OpenTESArenaniglet>>51020907This will hopefully get (Western) Gen Alpha into 2hu... albeit starting with the most memed entry in the series. SA remaster when?
So ai or naw?
>>51020946>(Western)yeah no
Heh
>>51020949naw brain
She's so cute
>>51020854>>51020885>>51020892Has anyone seen Patchouli in the live? Because that's probably the easiest giveaway if they're actually following some ZUN feedback or just copying the sprite. Although they could also just use one of the recent endings or the SWR portraits to get that right.For example LostWorld messed up her sprite and just gave folds to her in their "same design as the original game" versions.So it seems that ZUN is a fucking troll and just lets other people do whatever with the designs without giving any "corrective feedback"(has been that way since the first printworks)>>51020910Yeah, I'm also bothered by the folds of the ribbon but the first thing I thought was poor deviantart fanart when seeing that.
>>51020610Price?
>>51020958the live just uses a couple repeated clips from stage 1, 2 and 3 as well as the extra stage
>>51020912It's more mainstream than it has ever been but the ratio is probably 95% secondaries now
Apparently the livestream stated that stated the new artwork was done by Curee from AQUASTYLE, who also did art for the game Fushigi no Gensokyo.If AI schizos wanna schizo then do so, but now you have someone to blame at least.
>>51020880Who is Maddie Minish supposed to be? Shinmyomaru?
>>51020946>SA remaster whenWhat for? I sincerely doubt that they will be remastering anything after 9, considering that those games work fine. Though who knows, maybe they'll remaster all the games so they'll be available for console players as well.
>>51020901There aren't that much 2hu lewds made nowadays, but plenty non-h doujins still gets madeIt makes sense since lewders are more likely to be secondaries, and will just flock to other series with designs they think are lewder
>>51020963Are these "secondaries" in the room with us right now?>>51020968For my WIFE Satorin of course!!
>>51020968If there's any place where remasters stop it'd be with MoF I think, but realistically I think they'd stop at IN since everything up to IN is unavailable.
KIMOI
>>51020610Updated for modern audience!
>>51020930You don't know that..
PC-98 bros....HRTP 30th anniversary is coming soon...Is there hope for us...
>>51020770Maybe people will then start to actually fucking read it!I swear so much EoSD content with so little care about the reactual game>>51020771I wanted to say nobody actually cares about EoSD itself, but I'm sure a bunch of people will pay, (maybe) play it a bit and just keep going with whatever headcanons>>51020775He doesn't know...>>51020912Characters and fandom stuff? maybeGame? LMAO people have been posing for years here where nobody gives a fuck about piracy.
>>51020958l*st w*rd gachashit is not relevant in any way
>>51020985What do you mean anon, ZUN is celebrating 2hu's 30th anniversary by remaking the first game in the series, EoSD!
>>51020973Of course not, they're all in Japan. It's kids watching Yukkuri avatars narrate every video they watch.
>>51020973all it takes is one glance at /jp/ right now and comparing it to how it was a decade ago
I need to see PCB get remade and Yukari to get additional milkers instead of looking like her hair is made of spaghetti (soulful)
I mean we have always know that the only way to bring the classic game to modern platform is to remake it entirely, I am just surprised ZUN actually do it at allThere is now even less of a reason to not play the game, like he went out of his way to make even EoSD accessible
>>51020985It's time to rest anon
>>51020981
The Remilia and Marisa sprites both look AI touched
https://x.com/unabara/status/2064370215320965122Boss sprites are made by the Tasofro sprite guy.
>>51020958>PatchouliDid she receive design changes later in the series' lifetime?I haven't played anything past PCB
>>51020985My bones are inert.It was never to be, Anon.
>>51020912Most people know them from the yukkuri text to speech videos
>>51020999You can take comfort in the fact that the PC-98 games will forever be niche and a good judge of true touhou appreciation
>>51020769thx for actually effortposting instead of buzzword throwing like most people do>>51020960Around 15 bucks like most mainline games I would expect.But since more people than ZUN are involved it may get over 20 bucks.Only time can tell for sure
>>51020912Yukkuri does that already
>Redone art emulating ZUN's old sketches done by Gensou Labyrinth Artist>Redone sprites by TasofroCan all AI schizos commit sudoku now please.
>>51021012>Around 15 bucks like most mainline games I would expect.Screenshot this, it will be $30, probably more
https://x.com/miraclevoltageHere's the artist
>>51021010You're right. Japs are scared to touch it due to the potential legal nightmare involved.
No, retards, it doesn't look like AI. You don't know what the original even looks like anymore, you've been looking at fan art for a quarter of a century
So is it AI or not? You guys do this every time something like this occurs.
>>51021021art not by ZUNsprites not by ZUNmusic probably not by ZUN at this ratewhat's the fucking point
>>51020610>>51020625>>51020634I can’t believe the direct hid this from me, looking forward to this actually
>>51021034>music probably not by ZUN at this rateLiterally one of the major bullet points in the remake is that the music is by ZUN.
>>51021036I genuinely thought it was going to be a japanese only release at first
>>51021028Correct but people ITT still fall for the bait.
>>51021034It seem like Reprise is a circle created with the goal of making Touhou games accessible to anyone, and ZUN partnered with them just to supervise and provide them with everything he have left of the old game. From the stream, apparently he managed to found the old EoSD character art to use as reference for the artist
>>51020960>>51021012
>>51021034Nice goalpost action, nigger
>>51021044That's quite good for Nintendo
>>51021025Real?Guy's art is legit great.
>>51021021I want to say "who are you quoting", but why bother? This board has been fucking decimated.>>51021021ZUN spent years bitching about how he wanted to refuse letting anyone else touch his main games because the more people who were involved, the less it was his project and the more upset he was by it. And that was a fact people used to defend the AI gen assets because "ZUN is still controlling them, he's not outsourcing!"But suddenly he's fine with a remake where pretty much all of his work on his most iconic mainline game is replaced by that of other people's? What the actual fuck happened to him. How is this doujin spirit?
>This many language>More language than UndertalesZUN is tackling quite a big project here, or rather the circle behind this is. But still this something people been asking for for YEARS
>>51021034It comes with an attempt at a remaster of the original game (the classic version) if you want itotherwise just pirate it dumbo, nobody's forcing anyone to pay for this, or do it before it's released so they actually know what's in it
>>51021053Yeah, I crosscheck with his Twitter, it's a wonder they found him because he only active since 2021, and there aren't many artist capable of emulating ZUN's old style anymore
>>51021044>deluxe editionAre these niggas really holding the music room hostage as paid DLC?
>>51021041It’s cool!
>>51021034why are you complaining about this over touhou of all things
>>51021034We all understand you're not capable of understanding Japanese, but surely you're capable of understanding English.
>>51021066That is a Playstation-only function I think, frankly idk how Playstation work
>>51021034ZUN is doing the music
>>51021064What's your source? The livestream talked about having an artist from AQUASTYLE.
>>51021066*remastered theme sound files
>>51021034>art not by ZUN>sprites not by ZUN>music probably not by ZUN That's why it's good. ZUN got fucking lazy and started slopping all over the place. Once he fully retires and hopefully hands the series over to these guys the series will be fully restored
>>51020961Thanks I guess they just have those and Extra stage to get Flan publicity(or maybe it's nice to start developing Extra stage due to technical reasons since Ex has some patterns that feel like they could be programmed differently)>>51020988Haven't played it (so I thought maybe someone would correct me if I got it wrong)But afaik most characters have a 1:1 design attempt (like Youmu being drawn with her red charm most people ignore and even her crooked bow)>>51020936>spoilerWith all the characters initially planed??Would be too epic but one can dream...
>>51021055>How is this doujin spirit?Pretty much everyone involved in this is already way deep into the Touhou doujin scene. He's already okay with outsourcing stuff to decimal games and the many print works. The doujin spirit is all about letting people with autistic love and passion for something do what they want. He's always been cool with letting other people pitch in.>B-But mainline game!Good thing this is a remake then. Not a new flagship entry.
>>51021072They reference Steam as well.>>51021075Still shitty.
>>51021080nothing stopping you from simply ripping it out, its a corporate thing
This looks a million times better than touhou 20 and anyone who disagrees is genuinely retarded
>>51021036>A direct hid the starforce collection from me >Now the latest one hides touhou These directs are made to spite me
>>51021066I think you just get the OST alongside the game to play on whatever music app you use.
>>51021088Steam having a separate soundtrack for sale isn't new either, Project Wingman does that for example.
>>51021083I mean yeah and I don't really give a shit about the ten millionth EoSD arrange, but it's the principle of it.>>51021088I hope so because this and the infinite lives is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
>>51021076I know you're just a /v/ cancer cell trying to infect this board, but if you truly want a ZUNless Touhou just go fap to gacha
>>51020610>>51020634Have we really reached the Remaster era of Touhou?Everything else released these days are remasters and remakes.>>51020834Incredible. God I wish we could get a dump of those original assets somehow.
>>51021094You'd be hard pressed to find a game that doesn't sell their OST separately these days. It's just one of the most common jewery practice on Steam these days.
>>51021094Half the games on Steam have an available-separately soundtrack 'DLC'
>>51021103EOSD is 24 years old. It's more surprising it didn't get one sooner considering it's a PC franchise
waow cool
>>51021103Tbh ZUN have to do it eventually, it's weird to have every game on Steam EXCEPT 3 games. We have had discussion about this a billion time, and everyone know the only way to bring EoSD-PCB-IN to modern machine is to remake it
>>51021103he's probably only remastering these (ie. EoSD, PCB, IN) because he doesn't have them on Steam
>>51021109Will Big Fairy finally get a real name in this remaster?
>>51021112And even if he doesn't, EoSD was always the outlier as the game with the famously lost code and also famously being famous. I firmly believe we'll get PCB and IN too but EoSD alone makes perfect sense and anyone whose acting like this is some negative marker are genuinely retarded.
>>51020985Don't lose hope yet
I hope this project succeed just so people run out of excuse to not play the game
>>51021007Not really a design change but she is supposed to have 2 pieces of fabric at the front like in picrel.You can kinda see it in her EoSD portrait if you know it, but the coloring makes it look like stripes.IaMP having her portrait facing back and her sprite having purple stripes as well as printworks has helped to basically everyone visualizing her with stripes.>spoilerTake your time but please do (unless you don't actually like STG I guess).My advice would be to not trust what most people say about the games and to play them with an open mind since some people like to talk about games they have not played or barely played.
>>51021027You're retarded
>>51021131pwaying game too hard >.< rather goon to yuri doujin all day :D
>>51021055> How is this doujin spirit?The livestream said that the remake wasn't even ZUN's idea. A bunch of Touhou doujin circles just approached him and asked if they could remake TH6. And ZUN just went: "okay lol."This is why most of the revealed staff in this remake are already veterans of the touhou doujin scene and the developer of TH6 remake is labelled as "上海アリスReprise". He literally lent the name of his own circle for this new collaborative effort. It's a project that's essentially a frankenstein effort of many veteran Touhou doujin creators.
>>51021126It's genuinely funny that I have lived through 10 years of folk lamenting that ZUN is a lazy fuck that refuse to make his game accessible. And then goes "No not like that" when he actually try to bring his games to modern platform where everyone can get it
>>51021120i like nameless fairy
>>51021055This is more doujin than any mainline touhou game in the past decade
Localizing Touhou is going to be one hell of a job, we have too many iconic lines that need to STAY
>>51021127Source on that pic? Is that the wish-granting fairy as the player character?
>>51020901>and main focus of most ero doujin works.So that's why most people consider those "the best">And Clownpiece is an outlier in popularity from this era.So that's why LoLK is considered "the last good modern 2hu game" after a bunch of bad games....
>>51021131Please understand I have no hands
>>51021153
>>51020667WAIT WHAT???SOURCE??
>>51020880Sorry, but "Alison Wanderland" is too clever for Steam.
There are some people who would prefer ZUN to say "No" to a doujin circle trying to remake his old game btw
>>51021151ZUN only cares about making new works. he'll outsource everything outside of his primary passion
>>51021120her lack of a name was canonised in WOoHS
>>51021153You mean iconic lines that never originally existed in the first place? It's not EoSD but Yuyuko's resurrection text's translation is completely made up despite being so iconic.
>>51021153Confirmed to be based on the THPATCH scripts
>>51021163There is no source. It was already gone over here >>51020769
>>51021138>Take your time but please do (unless you don't actually like STG I guess)I like the gameplay, but I hate games where I have to throw myself against a wall for god-knows-how long.Having a checkpoint in the middle would feel so much better imo, 20+ minutes is too long for a single run.I also refuse to play easy mode
>>51021154yes>Source on that pic?me
>>51021167And Koakuma..?
>>51021173Nice, this genuinely felt like a collective community effort lol, with how multiple group are involved
>>51021178Please elaborate, I am genuinely curious
>>51021179Koakuma is canonically her nickname which she herself might have provided
>>51021165>doujin circleThe whole series was never felt like one since UFO.
>>51021173I guess that's why there's so many non-English languages here.
>>51021173Well shit, I guess we're never getting an accurate translation.
>>51021100Infinite lives is a meme it will most likely lock you out of the 1cc endings anyway because easy mode is still restricted to only 5 stages. It's there probably for noobs and children to play mindlessly or for qol when trying to learn stage and spellcard patterns. It's not that bad honestly and probably a useful tool for new players to practice with though it might make them not understand how to use their resources like bombs when they should.
>>51021173Fuck me.
I am giggling because the new artstyle is deadass how most artist back in like 2010 try copy EoSD artstyle on digital. The thing is EoSD original art is scanned watercolor, so no digital programe could actually reproduce it 1:1
>>51021182Yeah, this feels like the natural culmination of touhou as a whole, a true worldwide collaborative effort. People can doompost this all they want because it's almost certainly going to make touhou a good deal more mainstream in the west but I think it's in good hands.
>>51021192>>51021190what's wrong with the THPatch scripts?
>>51021200It's not a 1:1 translation, more like localization. Remember Mokou saying "jelly donut"?But desu I always play the game with the meme language patch lol
>>51021199I agree, although I'm still gonna shit on the inclusion of infinite lives. New blood to the Western community is a good thing.
The autotranslation is horrid but I guess he got intimidated by shit like the FF7 remakes and all the other AAA UE5 slop coming out and wanted his to be better.
>>51021200Putting aside newer characters having Nintendo-like unnecessary localization quirks, a lot of EoSD's inaccuracies were preserved because of certain lines or names being iconic.
>>51021200nothing, people just get their panties in a twist because the characters don't speak in literal translations that would sound like engrish robots
>>51021208To be fair 3 continues was already enough for most ok players to make it through after a while. I don't see 1cc going away as the gold standard of skill
>>51021212You gotta stop thinking in black and white, man. People just don't want shit like this.
>>51021209Good for himI always thought it wouldn't hurt for him to rely on the fan more, this is a good decision. So many people been asking for remake of old games and are willing to help so why not
>People still asking about Koakuma and Daiyousei nameBros its already decided their name will be that permanently, the Fortune Book list their name as that
>>51021207>Remember Mokou saying "jelly donut"?Does she still say that or is this just a memory fragment from 2012 that got fixed over time?
It's a trace, not AI.
>>51021209The PCB remake should be made in Unreal 5 lol>>51021213True. Can't wait to brag about my ∞cc kek
>>51021225She SHOULD still say that if you use the same patch, but also it is a very very common localization term at the time, dunno why. Like back then localizer keep calling Japanese food like onigiri and manju "jelly donut", probably because the American mind don't fucking know what any Japanese food look like
>>51021183new touhou game that it's essentially HRtP but extended and acts like a "new testament" by going back to it's roots without regurgitating the newer games like PCB/TD shit. It's a old work game and will act like one. And yes, the little fella is the protag>>51021200They aren't really accurate and most misconceptions were came from these translations. But it does it's job.
>>51021216I dunno where you're getting that from but this is the translation on THP right now
Someone should go back and update the EASY MODO meme to be "WHAT YOU PLAY ON INFINITE LIFE"?
First hallucinating ai, then somehow claiming this is a betrayal of doujin spirit, then talking about how this is apparently an easy mode, and now “hiring people who work on fan translation patches are le bad”. What’s next?
>>51021231PoFV just for real multiplayer jank
>>51021199You should still keep an eye on that. Even if it was made by "professionals".
>>51021235Oh wow I didn't think they'd fix it. Nice.
>>51021223sounds exotic enough in the west while for the nips it's the equivalent of them being called talonflame or nosepass
>>51021242>then somehow claiming this is a betrayal of doujin spiritIt's just low effort bait, the """""doujin spirit""""" was murdered when Gachashit was allowed.
>>51020781Would like to point out with the tracing shit argumentWe know 1000% that ZUN has the original pencil drawings that he used for the portraits for EoSD because he showed them off at Touhou exhibitions like 4 years agolike no shit they're "traced" he probably just scanned them again at a higher resolution to let the art team paint over itAlso I've been asking for this ever since I heard he couldn't re-release EoSD without remaking it completely. I know it'd go against the point of a remake but please please please add something like a phantasm stage with Ex-Rumia, this is the one time we could ever get to see that explored
>>51021232https://www.thpatch.net/wiki/Th08/Boundary_Team%27s_Extra/enhttps://www.thpatch.net/wiki/Th08/Magic_Team%27s_Extra/enhttps://www.thpatch.net/wiki/Th08/Scarlet_Team%27s_Extra/enhttps://www.thpatch.net/wiki/Th08/Ghost_Team%27s_Extra/enctrl+f "donut" = 0 results>She SHOULD still say that if you use the same patchThe same version of the patch? What I meant was that they've obviously updated the patches over time. Unless Mokou started talking about jellydonuts (the reason why is because it's obviously a meme based off of 4kids Pokémon) in an ending or ULiL or AoCF I don't know where this is still the case. If I recall the famous "Move bitch, get out the way" line that Alice says was also removed in favor for an accurate translation.Doesn't mean they don't make dumb mistakes like #doggophoto though.
Imo they should remake every game up until TD. Like holy shit I remember my first impression with DDC is that "DAMN WHY IS EVERYTHING TO CLEAN AND VISIBLE?". Allegedly it's because ZUN changed to newer engine from DDC, so I hope all previous game also get updated or remade
>>51021250I think we can go back further and say it’s when miku got a funko pop
Who wants to bet ZUN just stole the th6 decomp and built off that
>>51021261Well, for once it's not by him so not like he would know
>>51021234Interesting! I will eagerly anticipate it's release
>>51021260Miku was literally a corpo product from the day of her inception. She didn't really have a grassroots beginning to qualify for the real doujin spirit (tm).
>>51021261what's that, an AI upscale?
>>51021255iirc the move bitch line was moved to an "alt english translation" where the point was to have more fun rather than trying to be accurate without just making shit up completely
are you guys AI upscaled too
>>51021278No, retard we already went through thisread the thread
>>51021259Nah that's greedy, a full remake of Gen 1 era sounds more fun and cool imo (imagine if we get an IaMP remake that has like features backported from Hisoutensoku...well no that defeats the point of it being a remake)
>>51021265What does that even mean? We all know he lost the code, he said it himself before. It's not improbable to think that someone stumbled on this and sent it his way, and then he realized he could make fat stacks of the current remake trendhttps://github.com/GensokyoClub/th06
>>51021273Yeah, but that's fair if someone wants to have funny text. I recall a THPatch replacing most of one game with spaghetti textures.
Will they fix Sakuya's bullshit knife hitbox?
Thoughts?
>>51021285see >>51020834
The modern pixel art is so funny because it's like 10x as detailed as the rest of the game
>>51021285They should just focus on decompiling Hisoutensoku or something. Or AoCF, then it could actually become popular.
>>51021295see >>51021196
>>51020834>he just randomly found a backup of the original source right when the decomp was about to be completed
>>51021298>fighters>popularnobody cares about your genre for nogs and spics
https://xcancel.com/Nintendo/status/2064356482330833292>Nintendo tweet already has like 4 million viewsI think the nips are excited at least.
>>51020834Yukari meddling I guess
>>51021309Oh my god fuck on out of here you goddamn secondary, the fightans are such an important part of completing the picture for the setting and lore for so many characters
>>51021207>Remember Mokou saying "jelly donut"?That's not THPatch's translation though. They only started making translations from 10 onwards.>>51021232It's not a common localization term at the time, it was a reference to 4kids translations which were heavily meme'd on once people learned they were basically just making shit up. That being said, the Mokou line isn't offensive because the whole joke is that she's scared of a tasty food in reference to a rakugo story, and as you all know, people in the west didn't know rakugo back then even if they were skilled in Japanese and they still barely do now. Maybe a Jugemu at the time, I think it was in popular culture at the time with Full Metal Alchemist or Gintama, but otherwise not much. So while the original was about manjuu the actual essence of the rakugo joke in "gosh, I'm so scared of these delicious treats, please don't scare me with them!" is innately lost in translation no matter what you do, so it could easily be replaced with any sweet. Chocolate, candy, caramel, the like. Jelly donut is actually one of the few where I'd say it does keep some of the intent of the original manjuu line, because it's a phrase that innately leads into the different but similar joke with the 4kids Pokemon reference, a reference to a story or idea which is the core part of the manjuu line, and I struggle to think of any other sweets that would immediately make me think something similar. Maybe comically large lollipops or something to do with Willy Wonka or Cosmic Brownies if you wanna go full American and not just English.My point is that anyone getting mad at this specific line for "not being a proper/direct translation" 15 years later is a monolingual mongoloid who deserves no respect or right to voice complaints about translations.
>>51021285You are definitely not that popular lmao, nobody know about the project
>>51021324>MUH LORE>calling anyone a secondarygo play dragon ball z or something spic
>>51021034>Anon is so retarded he can’t select classic mode in the menuJUST
>>51021216We need to whack every single retarded translator that decides to add "flavor" into their TL.
No sticky????? What gives?????
The greatest indicator of /jp/'s change is that this thread isn't stickied
>>51021338the mod only cares about his holoshit thread
>>51021331anon seems to have confused the THPatch translation with the old hard patch translations
Probably the biggest Touhou news in years, I wonder if this is how ZUN celebrate 30th anniversary
>>51021339Sorry that might upset the vtumors.
idgaf about the dialog. i skip all of it. i'm here to dodge and shoot not read a corny ass novel.
>>51021349He's also at Comiket so there's something else coming at least.
>>51021338When Hoholive HQ gets KyoANi'd, God willing.
https://x.com/onasu_1341/status/2064388240300519621>They nerfed Reimu’s range
>Bunch of people coming together to try making an EoSD that can run on Switch>“Hey actually how about we show ZUN this?”>Escalated into a full blown project to restore classic Touhou
>>51021365BUT WHERE'S THE DOUJIN SPIRIT WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
>>51021370It clearly lies in the use of AI to upscale portraits/remaster the soundtrack to keep it a one man project :^)
>>51020880You joke but this game apparently has the involvement of Aliance Arts, which got involved in a big controversy regarding the localization of their newest game
>>51021384>>51021173
>>51021384read the thread before you post >>51021173
>>51021384Technically incorrect. Alliance Arts hired the translators Dragonbaby who were a part of the controversy. Alliance Arts did not make the translation, and it's not the only translator group that they use.
>>51021356Ahh anon I think this is it
>>51021391>>51021394>>51021395Yeah I got a bad case of retard, my bad
>>51021338Why would mods sticky a thread for the very thing they want to kick out of /jp/?
>>51021396Maybe if he's selling physical copies in person or something.
>It started as just a simple Switch port>Decided they might as well just port it everywhere and actually remake everythingLol
>>51021404Who know, but we will see, I doubt he have the time to fit another game so close to EoSD remake release day
>>51021338This is a 3dpd idolshit and gacha board.
>>51020610Oh.It really is over.
>>51021333No genuinely if you completely disregard the fighting games you're not a real fan. The big difference between the western fandom and the japanese fandom is literally the fact that westoids keep ignoring the fighting games but the JP fanbase embraces it because it's literally canon.Also Dragon Ball rocksFuck off you actual nigger
>>51021407He isn't alone on making the 2huremake so its possiblethe man can compose music in seconds so it won't be surprising if he has enough time
They created a whole new circle for this, so work from here is separated from whatever ZUN do in Shanghai Alice Orchestra I assume
>>51021413yeah this is so tragic. more people playing the games and devaluing my secret club. fuck zun.
>>51021419>more people playing the gameslol
>>51020981>Challenge the game>With infinite livesEEEHH? EEZY MODO?!
>>51021419>EoSD>secretLiterally the game with the most secondaries, and now they can actually play the game without going into the "deep web" to get a patched game.
To be fair, it's fine for Reimu to rest now. She has reclined for long enough. Good night, 2hu.
10 MORE YEARS OF EOSD GENWUNNING AAAAAAAAHHHH
Is anyone actually excited about this, and why?I don't hate it, but the fact is that I can just play EoSD right here and now, and this remake doesn't seem to add anything new worth waiting for?>>51021365Kind of cool that ZUN is working with the community though (both with fan devs and apparently the Touhou patch center people). Maybe something nice and new will come out of that.
>>51021422Not so fastInstead of score it record the number of times you die, you best believe we are laughing at you if you play this mode and racked up 1000 deaths
>>51021333You are a full blown fucking retardHating on dragon ball should legit be a punishable offense to any site about otaku culture
>>51021427Newfags won't get the EoSD 1kFPS jumpscare.Truly grim tidings.
>>51021433Apparently they have a bunch of stuffs planning for it, like new gimmick gamemode. But that is for later
>>51021333Too green
The real 2hu genwunners are PC-98 fags.And they've been skeletonized for at least two decades now.>>51021433>this remake doesn't seem to add anything new worth waiting forIt's nice to have a TH6 version that isn't held together by duct tape and playing a game of russian roulette on whether it's gonna crash or not on anything that isn't a toaster.
>>51021414>>51021440>>51021444cringe
>>51021025>>51021064Doesn't appear to be, but that guy you linked is great.
Whatever, call me when Rin Satsuki returns.
Oh it's being released in cirno day as well that's cool
>>51021453She never left to begin with.She straight up doesn't exist.
>>51021415Yeah actually good point I recall 2010 we had two decimal game releases by ZUN that being Double Spoiler and Great Fairy WarsI'd consider this remake to be something akin to Great Fairy Wars in that other people are working on it besides him in the art department (and honestly I wish he did that for other manga artists, Moe Harukawa's art in the floatans kinda counts, although I'm sure the Akimaki Yuu danmaku game will not be well received here) We might be getting a good double release year
>>51021405Wonder if there will be a tate mode setting for portable Switch/S2 play. The playing field in Touhou games isn't *that* much taller than it is wide, but it would still be nice....Also wonder if the game might include proper SC-88Pro playback of the midi versions of the music tracks, since the original game is also included with the remake, one would assume the options menu also includes midi/wav toggle.It's possible I'm setting myself up for disappointment with such thoughts, but oh well.
>>51021461She truly is the Touhou Project
>>51020730>>51020834https://youtu.be/WRX70TukCKY?t=213035:30Timestamp for where he just casually mentions he found a backup and they discuss some of it for a minute.
>>51021337"She WOULD say that" should be an instant guillotine.
Sounds like he got the zunpets working.
>>51020844
>>51021480For clarification, he found backup of the original full body character art, that the artist based the new art on. That’s why it look weird at first since they were trying to match the watercolor style and every detail 1:1 on digitalCould really use some contrast though since the thing about watercolor is that it look blended (it is)
>>51021493Nice It was never going to be a permanent thing anyway since the problem is just file incompatibility
>>51021173Wait they renamed from thcrap?
I can’t even be mad about EoSD superiority since it mean people are actually starting with the first Window game. It would be a real problem if new player start at the middle of the series but thank god it’s not the case
>>51021414You are brown
>>51021493https://www.youtube.com/live/WRX70TukCKY?si=AQUCy825SOH0vo3X&t=2560Sounds really good honestly.
>>51021511thpatch is the group, thcrap is the tool
>>51021511They have always been Touhou Patch Center, thcrap was just the program name
>>51021515>if new player start at the middle of the series but thank god it’s not the caseYes. They now start at the 25% mark of the series instead.
>>51021518Relief to see ZUN so happy about doing the arrange himself. It's different from the original but like that's not the first time he's done that between game and music CD so this is a nice treat.
PC-98 contrarian cope is probably the best part about the western community
>>51021525PC98 is irrelevant to the Windows games.It's also mostly homages/plagiarism with barely any original content.
>>51021529I will be frank, the original early music suffer from volume excess, like the melody and instrument choice are fine but everything is so fucking loud. ZUN eventually learnt that not every instrument need to be prominent in a soundtrack, I hope he applied that lesson here
Am I AI upscaled?
What we can learn from this is that you really can get ZUN to do anything as long as you asked nicely
>>51021540No.You were born and will die a low-res man.
I should go jerk off to some Rumia doujins to celebrate
Just a reminder, the full name of this is EoSD: New Classic. Purely to separate it from the actual original game
Reminder that everyone here shitting on the PC98 games are just coping that they aren't piss easy like the windows games
>>51021554To be pedantic, it's Koumakyou: New Classic.
It's 東方紅魔郷：New Classic 〜 the Embodiment of Scarlet Devil.
Yeah, I'm thinking Marisa for Smash, if you catch my drift.
>>51021564Anything but Reimu for Smash is straight retarded, no I do not care about your excuse, the MAIN CHARACTER get in
I hope they call the new run arrange mode and the 2002 version the original so it doesn't create any confusiongames like crimzon clover did that too
>>51021576Marisa IS the main character (self proclaimed)
>the official translation of the world is Gensoukyou and not Gensokyo
>>51021583Oh, I hate this
>>51021583Well you wouldn't call it Toho.
>>51021583It's unironically always been this but no one has ever used it in translationsI think we might get some more painful plasters being ripped off here of old legacy translations
>>51021576that's funny cause wasn't it ZUN who said he'd like Marisa to be in smash because she'd have a suitable moveset
>>51021601Oh and there was so much bitching earlier about it lol. Even in my hearts of hearts it's Gensokyo though...
>>51021583Did you know, Gensoukyou translates to Fantasy Land!
>>51021611Actually it translates to Story of Eastern Wonderland :^)
>>51020610>infinite lives modemaybe there's hope for me...
>>51021583>GensoukyouIt has always been like that are you fucking retarded?
>>51021583It’s the same thing bruh, like Color and Colour
>>51021583They should have gone with Gensōkyō and satisfied no one
I don’t want reimu in smash because that would mean people would hit her.
>>51021583Well, that is the correct transcription. it's either this or using diacritics if you want a proper transcription. Then again people also prefer Tokyo to Toukyou even though the second one is more correct
>>51021583Looks like this faggot has to redo his logo now
>>51021601Didn't think I would ever through the cycle of fan translation/official term changes with touhou What a time to be alive
Kek I wonder how the shmup folks are doing, this is probably the biggest reveal for a shmup game in YEARS. I always heard they hated Touhou for being the face of the genre
Nihon-shiki chads report in.
>>51021659likely doing better compared to how obsessed you are about random strangers on the internet
>>51021583I feel like MANY later character names also have this whole thing going on, most notably Joon, where an average English speaker would not know her name have 2 syllable in Japanese
It’s kind of jarring seeing real original EoSD cast again since you can tell they were meant to be VERY different character compare to what the fanbase make them out to be
>>51021659Who gives a damn. Chess players shouldn’t be concerned with the thoughts of cards against humanity players. Be happy with what you have instead of trying to rub it in their faces.
>>51021676Meiling needs to be drawn with her bracelet she always had but we couldn't see nowRumia's hands are gonna be another one
>>51021494
>>51021053Now this, would have been great to see in a remaster.
>>51021679Most of this stemmed from the fact original EoSD art were cut out. ZUN have the full body sprite that they use for reference this time around, so now we can see all these cut details
>>51021601It's very much in line with how rarely anybody calls him Kachou, it's usually Kacho, even though it's Kachō which is Kachou. The crossie getting mad about that is strange to say the least because nobody gives it a second glance if you use the u or otherwise, unless you're in the most pretentious of places or are getting skillchecked because "only X uses Y spelling", but that's more in line with a general mindset than a thread mindset. Others have already brought up Toho and Toukyou anyways.>>51021659>I always heard they hated Touhou for being the face of the genreI've only heard of this happening back when /v/ was still relevant, and it's been a generation since then. Suffice to say, they're a dead breed.
>>51021131They've never had any in the last few years.
>>51021583It's funny that they changed this which doesn't affect the pronunciation at all but didn't feel like changing Cirno to Chirno or Chiruno which would finally fix everyone mispronouncing her name
>>51021659I feel bad for them, even the legendary Inbachi 1cc a couple years ago wasn't nearly as big of news as any random touhou release. I do wish that accomplishment was more recognized because its kinda insane for a game to go un-beaten for 12 years.
>>51021703Now that you mentioned it, I do remember Japanese fanwork always pronounced it as “Chirno”, ya know, like “Chill”, her namesake?That’s why people pronouncing it Sir-no used to be a meme
>>51021676> what the fanbase make them out to beI find it funny how the most popular interpretation of Flan is her being some kind of tragic insane heroine with sister issues.But then 17.5 and CDS comes out and cements her character as perfectly sane and lucid. She's just a relatively well-mannered child that genuinely enjoys being a NEET. She just goes murderhobo when:a.) A person of authority or "adult" figure gives her the OK to actually murder people.b.) Someone or something threatens her comfy life in the SDM.For the longest time, she's been depicted as a ticking time bomb, but no, Flandre is actually pretty chill and arguably even more mature than her sister. Maybe she enjoys fighting and hurting people a bit too much, but she's only gonna do that if you become a target that's designated to be okay for murderhobo'ing and its not like she's actively looking for fights in the first place. For the most part, Flan just seems to enjoy hanging out in her NEET cave basement.
>>51021710Her name is literally チルノ - chi-ru-no. You don't render チ as ci because that doesn't make the same sound. I have no idea why this became the norm for her
>>51021700>the last few yearsThere has never been an excuse ever since 8 and 12 (objectively best games in the series) were easily downloadable.
>>51021718Yeah, and nobody actually knew that until later games and CDS game out.
>>51021534>PC98 is irrelevant to the Windows games.But relevant to the series as a whole.
>>51021733It was pretty obvious all the way back when BAiJR came out
>>51021734Nah.Worthy of a cryptic reference once in a while at best.
>>51021718>CDS It's fucking hilarious how she easily jumped to choking Meiling to death there because she thought she was the traitor. But then later on, it's revealed that the reason she easily agreed to participate in Satori's plan was because she wanted to get revenge for Patchy.So you can see that Flandre deeply values her SDM family. Except Meiling. Fuck her I suppose. She's just some shitty 9-5 gatekeeper and not family I guess.
I read Cirno as Chiruno but pronounce it like Cirno when talking with the only other Touhoufag in my city.
>>51021748Ironic, seeing as she's been more prominently fancanonized as Flan's babysitter.
>>51021748I mean, yeah. In actual canon, only Patchy has been recognized as a close family friend of the Scarlets. Her personal worth in Flan's eyes is definitely higher than the rest of the mansion, who are effectively just wagies under employ of her big sister to her.
>>51021053>>51021694It's just not EoSD if Sakuya doesn't have a big lazy eye.
I have never had the opportunity to speak Touhou related words out loud.But supposing I had friends, I wouldn't be caught dead mispronouncing Cirno.
>>51021532There are like 5-6 faggots complaining about PC-98 fags more than PC-98 faggots themselves.Obssesed
>>51021718that's the thing is her being a "danger" is something EoSD makes pretty clearI think in hindsight it's less "Flandre is insane and will go on a rampage through all of Gensokyo if let loose" and more "Flandre is a child and we're unsure if she can be trusted to follow the new spellcard rules and not get carried away like a kid would and draw too much negative attention to us so we're keeping her home"
>>51021768I'd rather not show the full extent of my powerlevel.
>>51021761That smiling portrait does not look smug enough.
>>51021777holy trips, I believe you
>>51021462She lives in our hearts.
>>51021748Meilin's fortune in WotHS mentions how her job is self appointed, she just showed up and started mooching off them one day.
>>51021777Your powerlevel is showing anon
>>51020966Yes.It's the most confusing one on the list because the image is irrelevant to the context (there's a different version with a relevant image), and "minish" isn't a common word.https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/minishAuntie Bagshot from the same game is also awful.
>>51021782I do hope we get some kind of gallery feature so we can 1.) see the full Daiyousei and Koakuma portraits that were supposed to be in the original and 2.) maybe even see the original Rin Satsuki character sketch
I giggle at the fact that Meiling's Yokai designation isn't even specified. Hell, her title is literally just: "She's a fucking chink".I actually half believe that she isn't even a Yokai. She's probably just some poor kung fu retard that just got spirited away to Gensokyo.
>>51021786I assumed it was her because I played Minish Cap.Bagshot feels more obvious, if only for the upside-down and the quote.
>>51021797I don't even think she's chinese either. She's apparently one of the tallest characters, has red hair, blue eyes like are we sure she isn't something like Dutch-Irish?
>>51021810I'd rather a chink than the d*tch to exist in Gensokyo
>>51021797It’s a rather common trope back then in movie, ya know>European noble family>they have a maid>They have a scholar/librarians to handle the smart work>They have a weird Chinese bodyguard
>>51021821>the d*tch But entities worse than those already exist in Gensokyo: The Irish.
>>51021828This sounds right but I genuinely can't think of any examples
>>51021833that's what Suika has been the whole time really little leprechaun bitch
>>51021837She's scottish
>>51021837She is literally a JAPANESE GOBLIN
>>51021828Name three examples if it's so common. But either way, its no secret that Meiling is a loving caricature of Hong Kong Cinema tropes. But the actual reason for Meiling's weird designation is that ZUN was still ironing out (i.e. making up shit as he goes) the details for the setting by the time of TH6. So this is why characters from later games have very specific designations of what kind of supernatural entity they are, whereas for this point in time, ZUN just did broad strokes of: "I dunno, she's fucking chinese or something I guess" for Meiling.
>>51021761Oh, that's interesting. Despite having quite a few hours in EoSD I never realized that her sleeve had "red magic" written on it
>>51021838I forgot about her counterpart https://youtu.be/bIg3rygMAuk
>>51021844I mean, with ZUN's sovlful shitty art, it's pretty easy to mistake them for a ruffled part of her sleeves.
>>51021025How did you figure?
>>51021843>making up shit as he goes>still ironing outpick one
>>51021788I think there was no original rin design. Since zun never talked about it, only proof was her name and a interview where zun said she was discarded as third character.
>>51021856Zan'nen!ZUN has infact talked about there being a portrait he drew for Rin he has never shown before
>>51021854Those are not mutually exclusive statements to describe a creative process in progress.
>>51021859Do you have basic media literacy?
>>51021863Yes. Do you?
>>51021868Me too, bro.
>>51021863>le media witewacyBack to xitter, fag
>>51021873This isn't /v/, nigga
>>51021703something like "chillno" would be less accurate but would preserve the intended pun
>>51021657thank you for reminding me of the fucking horrid update
>>51021878I think people would riot if they called her Chillno
>>51021876Yeah.
>>51021844Because the image resolution was so low back then
>>51021173Thank god, the possibility of dragonbaby touching this was my only fear
>>51021657lol the dev of this game makes alts on twitter to commission boob inflation and height difference art of the main OC of the game. The gambler bitch I forgot her name.
>>51021893The halfassed, Not-Okuu ""OC""?why even bother remembering thatIsn't the game a shitpost, anyway?
>>51021153>>51021173>>51021162SoullessWhen they reach IN we'll not have "Move bitch, get out of the way!" and characters saying "shit" and "crap". I know they're dated translations but they're honestly soulful.
>>51021893>>51021898explain further
>>51021904No.It's not worth any amount of effort.
>wasn't included in the US Nintendo Switch Direct due to its strict "No AI art" policyZUN could literally ask people to trace EoSD art FOR FREE and you'd get 10x better quality than whatever Curee "drew", aka "put through an AI upscaler and 'touched up' a little"Considering the latest Touhou game is about conspiracy theories, the Illuminati, and AI art backgrounds, I guess this was the next natural step, eh?
>>51021898>Isn't the game a shitpostYeah and not a good one, it's the reddit version of. a shitpost
>>51021911actually it wasn't included because normal people in the west don't know what the fuck a gensokyo is or why these magical children are shooting lasers at fairies
>>51021911The whole game is man-remade, /v/kunYou strawman died real early in the thread.
>>51021911You already tried this narrative in this thread, pretending to be someone else won't fool anybody here
>>51021913I liked the secret boss but yea
>>51021532Back when I was still new circa 2011 people played and appreciated the PC-98 games and that was it. These days we have schizos sincerely spouting shit that the PC-98 games are PVRE TOVHOV and everything else is irrelevant, like kojimadrones going on about a Chapter 3 for MSGV which never mattered.
>>51021911>Touhou Koumakyou: New Classic – The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, is available on Steam. The standard retail price for this release is $19.99>not $9.99>costs more than the original game ever did>indie games with 10x as much content cost half as much
>>51021932Mucho verde
>>51021899no, you're just a nostalgiafag who can't let go of the past
What's honestly got me more excited than anything is that we may get high quality looks at ZUN's old art for once, and even if we don't the redraws should include better looks at all the little details that are hard to make out in the originals.
>>51021932>$19.99I always knew ZUN was a hack, but just when I thought he couldn't go any lower. This slop should be at most $9.99 because it's being released on Cirno Day, and even that price is still ridiculous. $19.99 is highway robbery.
>>51021932>>indie games with 10x as much content cost half as mucheosd has infinite replay value since it is an arcade-like shmup compared to the trash out there
>>51021940>>51021911Posts written by 17 year old hands
>>51021932>$19.99
>>51021695>ZUN have the full body sprite that they use for reference this time around, so now we can see all these cut detailsLike Marisa in this one >>51021199, it's so uncanny.
>>51021899Bro you literally can just patch it?
You all act like you aren't just going to pirate it like you did with every other mainline game.
>>51021941>eosd has infinite replay valueWhat's next, saying EoSD has more replay value than BotW or XC? You can finish the game in 20 minutes. That's $1 per minute for a 2D game updated with AI art made over two decades ago.
>>51021956>What's next, saying EoSD has more replay value than BotW or XC?yes.
>>51021956Hey offboarder-kun, you keep trying to push this AI narrative despite despite being proven wrong above. Kindly kill yourself out of /jp/.
>>51021932>nineteen dollars and ninety-nine cents
>>51021952This version is probably going to be compatible really fast thinking about it
>>51021962>despite despite>you're so shaken by people pointing out the overboard pricing that you can't even talk properly
>>51021956>Dollar per minuteNo wonder you are here, they would lynch you for saying this in the actual video game board
>>51021932...It's $5 more than what he usually charges for the other games on Steam, I don't think it's all that bad a price.
>>51021966Oh no, my entire argument is gone because of a typo! The AI is manifesting as we speak.
Today, I will remind them.
Somehow GO was better price per hour if you liked slop
>>51021975Ah, it wouldn't be a thread without the Sarai schizo showing up to rally the zoomers up into a frenzy.
>>51021975I never understood why the anon thought that EoSD being influenced by Sarai to be a bad thing, I think it's quite interesting.
>>51021972>Oh no, my entire argument is gone because of a typo!
AI Derangement Syndrome outies must have had some timezone-related delay if they're this late into the thread kek
>>51021981
I hope this means a renewed source of porn for them
>>51021975I've seen the black background version of this chart which lacks the point about Remilia's hand gesture. Interesting!
>>51021979>I never understood why the anon thought that EoSD being influenced by Sarai to be a bad thingIt's not. It's the fact that people cannot accept Touhou being influenced by ANYTHING because the second you point out that Touhou is 100% original, they literally have a schizophrenic meltdowns. The whole point of a doujin game is that it takes things that already exist and remixes them. Yet these mentally unwell people refuse to admit that Touhou references literally anything.It's sad and pathetic.
>>51021986The fuck you mean renewed, they're still the most drawn characters today even before the announcement.
>>51021975Some people refuse to admit that their waifu isn't real.
>>51021992>The whole point of a doujin game is that it takes things that already exist and remixes them. Yet these mentally unwell people refuse to admit that Touhou references literally anything.Yeah, old times fans already understand doujin culture. The sarai schizophrenia is entirely a new fad from underage newfags.
>>51021992>It's the fact that people cannot accept Touhou being influenced by ANYTHING because the second you point out that Touhou is 100% original, they literally have a schizophrenic meltdowns.>Yet these mentally unwell people refuse to admit that Touhou references literally anything.These people are unironically on Reddit, not here.
>>51021975You're like a little baby, watch this:https://lainnet.arcesia.net/blog/2024_09_23_n01.htmlhttps://nmlgc.net/OppositeWinner/
Every single artist I follow literally revived their social media just to get hyped about EoSD remake bruh
>>51022002Did you just start using 4chan again in 2020 + 6? 90% of all thread on this site now are AI + Reddit + X or some combination of the three.Don't ever leave /jp/ if this is the only board you browse anymore, trust me on this.
>>51022000>The sarai schizophreniaYou mean the schizophrenia in your own head? One guy posting a graphic maybe once or twice a month isn't the overbearing bot spam that you're portraying it to be. If you cannot handle the truth, get out of the volcano.
>>51022000>>51022006It's just one schizo
That said I wonder how far this project would goes, like obviously they could remake the OG trilogy, PC-98 is optional territory (honestly sound like a lot of work since you also have to redesign the characters). But that’s it I guess, not like anything beyond MoF is in dire need of a remake since they are still working fine
>>51022006No I do remember threads filled with shitflinging about Sarai back in 2022 on /v/, but it was more like samefagging with the intent of derailing the thread rather than pointing out a fact. Just like what you're doing right now.
>>51021703It's consistently been ZUN's own transcription since PoFV. This isn't like "Syameimaru Aya", which got changed later, or like "Inaba Tei", or "Kazami Yuka", where the accepted spelling amongst the fans differs from how ZUN did it and can be disputed (and I'm not sure if he ever referred to their names in English at a later date), or stuff like "Marlin Prismriver", which is probably just an error."Cirno" is the established canon spelling for both ZUN and the English-speaking audience, so that's one that's definitely not going to be changed.
>>51022016Yeah it's 100% just forced shitflinging.
>>51022003A discordteen opening a Lain themed "retro" website in 2019 to shit on touhou isn't really helping the narrative my man. Zoomers are fucking retarded.
>>51022013>>51022015>>51022023>it's just one guyWhat is this forced narrative I keep seeing in random threads on this site? It feels like a bot.
>>51022029You think /jp/ is free from the AI chatbot menace? You think some trolls aren't laser focusing their clawds on this thread right now?I honestly never know if I'm talking to humans anymore...
>>51021975I love seeing this graphic.
>>51022029Why are you replying to me?
>>51022039Why are you quoting me?
>>51022029Pattern recognition combined with confirmation bias, but most long-term problems in smaller communities tend to be a singular unmedicated individual with a grudge. If its funny enough, a handful will pick it up or imitate it.You see some depressing shit on the other side.
>>51021975Isn't Cirno's theme inspired by something else too?
>>51022043>most long-term problems in smaller communities tend to be a singular unmedicated individual with a grudgeAs someone who has been on this site for about 2 decades now, you are seriously underestimating the problem or doing it on purpose. It is never, under any circumstances, NEVER just "one guy". You ALWAYS have people playing off each other in a sort of "troll game" where one tries to one up the other, through imitation, mockery, false flagging, (You) farming, etc. If it was "one guy", that single individual would get bored eventually and leave. The fact that people engage always means it's never a single person's fault.Never.
>>51022060>that single individual would get bored eventually and leaveNTA but you REALLY underestimate the mentally ill.
>>51022048bro like half the music is stolen from somewhere else for the first six or seven games
>>51022060If we're taking /v/ or /vg/ sure. /jp/ even had its share of teenbros that would raid threads together and parrot off eachother./vg/ generals in particular love dogpiling and spamming any random meme but unlike us they get moderated via IP wipe and you can see just how much of a problem was truly, literally, one guy with a few other jesters clowning around him.
>>51022063And you REALLY underestimate the mentally unwell who THINK they're well and that those around them are unwell. And then they see those they perceive as mentally unwell and play on them and think that's a perfectly normal and healthy thing to do.It's not.
>>51022048https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHXNQYrlbR4The Japanese fanbase is well aware.
>>51021932I don’t know much about video game price, is there any good comparison?
>>51021821You're a little late on that way, dude. Alice brought them along all the way back in PCB.
>>51022084>>51021963>>51021945You can stop samefagging now, we're already past bump limit.
>>51021932Well I guess it’s a honest mistake, but 1990 yen is not equal to 19.99 dollar anymore lol, more like 12
>>51022080Good thing she's been irrelevant since Hisoutenshoku and has been officially killed off in CDS.
>>51021932>the highest price for any Touhou ZUN game on Steam is $14.99>charging $5 more for an AI-upscaled remaster
who is this newfag that keeps spamming about AI
I think he's broken lole
>>51022103>>51022107You can stop now.
>>51022048https://youtu.be/QfH5usYFxSo&t=147
>He doesn’t have 12 dollar
>>51022103An off-boarder.He had a major melty in the first FW threads and had held a grudge since.
PC-98 wen
Damn it only been a few hours and people on social media already begging for modern game remake for some reasons
>>51022113https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re0K9dqGt9Y&t=23s
>>51022119Not canon.Not relevant.Barely acknowledged by its creator.Just play the games if you want, they're OK.
>>51022129>muh canonwho cares
>>51022135Not ZUN that's for sure lmao
>>51022135Me.
>>51022119If you truly love PC-98, you'll want it to stay obscure.
>>51022141They're already as infamous as Earthbound as "cult classic"
I'm excited but I'm also sad to see this thread filled with literal /v/children.
I'll just wait for PCB
>>51022169Nothing new then, It's been like this for quite a while now.
>>51022184
>>51022184Desunoya isn't handling the portraits, those are done by the artist for Aquastyle.https://www.aquastyle.org/
>>51022184can you read your own image? also programming an AI and using it are two different things.also also >aggresive2huthough to be fair to him he is being nuanced about it
>>51021453She will be added as a Phantasm Boss only available after a no death Lunatic clear.
>>51022184I'm convinced this is a false flag. Nobody is that stupid. Not even the jerkiest of anti-AI kneejerkers.
>>51022217You are so desperate to have an argument for no particular reason that you're making up things to get mad about. I feel bad for you.
>>51022217well technically if you want to be obtuse about it, boss movement and spellcards are part of the boss's AI
>>51022184retarded faggot, it's a dude from aquastyle who's doing the potraitsAre you going to invent new mirages to swat at every five seconds?>>51022217An upscaling algorithm is functionally no different from doing nearest neighbor in any image software.
>DeletedLmao
>>51021719The Japanese writing system literally cannot make "Ci"And you can't just read them literally because then you'd end up with retarded shit like US president "Donarudo Toranpo"
According to MaribelHearn(the website not the hifuu), the EoSD Decomp Project and Shanghai Reprise worked together on the remake
>>51022230>An upscaling algorithm is functionally no different from doing nearest neighbor in any image software.Now hold on, I wouldn't go that far. We've been making fun of 2xSAI for decades on emulators. You can reverse nearest neighbor resizing but the same can't be said for the other methods.>>51022234Good riddance.
>>51022236>bring up the orange man for literally no reason
>>51022240>Now hold on, I wouldn't go that far. We've been making fun of 2xSAI for decades on emulators. You can reverse nearest neighbor resizing but the same can't be said for the other methods.Well I could've named other scaling algorithms but I just chose what was off the top of my head. Lanczos? Either way, it's not generative AI.
https://x.com/10431033_65/status/2064381225553506345someone tried to remove the voices from the livestream so you can hear the stage 1 theme a little better
>>51022242Look it's an English Name everyone knows
>>51022252>English Name>capitalizing "name"ESL, if you want to choose a name everyone knows in the US, choose "Tom" or "Bill" or "Allen", not the current flavor President of the United States.
>even Touhou has now succumb to the remake virus
>>51022264It's just the first 3 Windows games, since they previously couldn't be ported digitally because the dumbass lost the source codes
>>51022271>It's just the first 3 Windows games>It's just the backgrounds that are generated with AI>It's just some occult imagery by a rock 2hu, what's the worst that can happen?It always starts small...
Sticky?
>>51022293it's not vtubers
>>51022293Not Hololive realted, no sticky
>>51022239that's pretty cool
It originally said September 10th, but they changed it. Is it supposed to be September 10th in Japan and that's why?
>>51022239Literally fucking everyone has been working on this.
>>51022329Probably timezone dependent.
>>51022332>Touhou ultimate
>>51022257Everyone with two brain cells will know "Donarudo Toranpo" is meant to be Donald TrumpLots of retards won't realize "Biru" is supposed to be the Japanese spelling of Bill
>>51022366Yes but more people have more than two brain cells, so your argument falls flat.Also, I like how you didn't deny the fact that you're ESL.
>>51022293Just be glad you are allowed to stay
>>51022239Is that what that's saying? Source?
>>51022376>Yes but more people have more than two brain cells, so your argument falls flat.Well you clearly don't
>>51022396Still refusing to deny being ESL...
are they going to update the stage backgrounds? i think they look good in the original but they look very dated with all the other visual upgrades
>>51022383The best I got is a 2nd-hand source from MaribelHearn:>brliron (main contributor of translations for the remake) has an executable of the remake>analysed the code and found indentical class names with the Decomp ProjectMy (personal and very subjective) guess is that the original team of Reprised were using the Decomp Project to port EoSD over to the Switch and decided to work on remaking it later
>>51022411The initial conclusion from this revelation was that it's 100% from the EoSD decomp, hence its gonna be easier for modding etc.
>>51022366There's room for only one Donarudo in my mind
I wonder if this means the newer games moving forward will have same day official translations
>>51022404lol
>>51022411>>51022424That's crazy.
>>51022293Not 3dpd or vtubers, unfortunately not /jp/ related at all!
>>51022435Lol no, maybe if we are lucky we can get translations officially but I doubt same day
New game please feature Remi as playable...
>>51022113Interesting.
>>51022452IN remake soon don't worry
>>51022457I said NEW game.
>>51020667thcrap community already confirmed they enlisted people from that community for the TLs. We're in good hands here.
>>51022459Sory, ZUN is the reverse Miyamoto, no old characters except Mario in newer games.
>>51022467He's been spamming that shit all over /v/ too, he's most likely also one of the main AI obsessed shitters. Reminder that most shitposters are the same person.
>>51022467>thcrap community>good hands
>>51022474fucking weirdo
>>51022119For what its worth, the CEO of M2 has stated on record that he would be down to help get the PC98 games ported to modern hardware. But I dunno if ZUN took him up on that offer or not. Only time will tell.
>>51022488There are more reasons than "it's hard to do" for why ZUN doesn't want to bring up the PC-98 games from the dead.
>>51021918Man everyone knows touhou to some level. Its like the sonic of Otaku culture.Barely anyone played it but everyone knows it and the fans are obsessed.
>>51022492they're doujin games you moron>>51022488I highly doubt it since ZUN just doesn't give a shit about the PC-98 games anymore. And EoSD giving a remake should speak for itself.
>>51022502>they're doujin games you moronAnd? that doesn't contradict anything I said.
>>51022504Possibly the best thing the remake will give us.
>>51020813wrong pic
>>51022492>>51022502Yeah, the plagiarism would be a problem and I don't blame ZUN for not wanting to piss up that rope again. I still don't mind emulating them but PC98 emulation is still kind of a mess. A shame.
>>51020981This makes continues pointless
>>51021932But surely, there is going to be a launch discount, right? There will eventually be bundles with the other available games at a discount too, right?
>>51022557Never ever.
>>51020610Never thought I'd see something like this. Cool, I guess? I kinda want to think that this is all a really elaborate troll
>>51022557There is currently a 30% discount on all the 2hu games
What's with all the attacks and negativity about people noticing the new art looks like AI slop? ZUN already used AI before, it's basically approved by him already. Maybe they decided upscaling would be better than someone trying to redraw it, thinking it'll keep the original style better or some other such logic to justify why it's a good decision. And also we know ZUN has zero standards for his in-game art nowadays, you can see it with your own eyes in all the modern games.
>>51022603You should change certain keywords in your posts if youre going to spam threads or pretend to be a different person.
Desperate.Your turn.
>>51022603>What's with all the attacks and negativity about people noticing the new art looks like AI slop?Because we're not supposed to notice that it's AI slop.We aren't supposed to say ZUN borrowed character names and designs from Sarai.We aren't supposed to say ZUN borrowing music from other sources.ZUN is supposed to be a creative genius in these delusional schizos' minds.
>>51022607spam threads *AND pretend to be a different person
>>51022603Read the thread, retard. You're hours late to the discourse and the answer.
>>51022608A Bomb!
>>51022614He knows.He's talking to himself. Not the first time.
>>51022615Thanks, Anon
>>51022607That was my first post in this thread, I posted in another thread this morning but not this one. I didn't even know others thought the same thing because I haven't been online much today. >>51022614I did read through it, there hasn't been any conclusion so I'm not even sure what you're referring to. It's just some people saying it looks like AI and others saying it's not. There's no proof of anything either way besides looking at the few screenshots we have so far. I don't see what's wrong with discussing it.
>>51022628>I did read through itClearly not because everything has been stated clearly. Go somewhere else to shitstir, I hear reddit likes to latch onto that sort of thing.
>>51020880え... "Cherry the Bunny"... 何これ...
>>51022293Did you miss the announcement? As of january this year touhou is no longer allowed on /jp/.
>>51022633Just naming people who are the artists doesn't actually mean anything though. It's not shitstirring to wonder about the art.
>>51022659>No, he's just lying!Then theres no discourse to be had with you as you'll throw out anything you don't want to hear.
>>51021928>spouting shit that the PC-98 games are PVRE TOVHOV and everything else is irrelevantPlease point me towards such a post.
More like End of Service Devil lmao
>>51022603>What's with all the attacks and negativity about people noticing the new art looks like AI slop?>And also we know ZUN has zero standardsWhy even bother asking a question you already know the answer to
>>51022676heh
>>51022676Anon, it's not a P5 collab.
>>51022525>PC98 emulation is still kind of a messIt not, though. What issues have you had?
>infinite retry modeTouhou has officially reclined.
>>51022239wowThat's both cool and despairing, because it means it'll take quite a long time before we'll see a remake of PCB and IN if they want to release the "originals" with them.
>>51022504Cute.
>>51022694It would have, if it were the only available mode and not something you can just ignore.
>>51021928>>51022666I swear on my life that I never saw a PC-98fag be this insufferable like that turkish loser would claim.Every single time I step on this shithole, I see them doing like your average Touhoufag here. Talking about how this character is hot, gameplay threads, or whatever.I see people complaining about PC-98fags more than PC-98fags being insufferable themselves.
>>51022663I didn't say anyone was lying though. Did the artist actually come out and say straight up they drew it and didn't use AI? I was under the impression only their name was given. Lots of artists use AI all the time, it's super normal. >>51022678I live under a rock so no, I don't actually understand the vitriol. Instead of saying something like "hm I disagree it actually looks handdrawn to me you can tell by this line here etc" you guys just resort to namecalling, insults and accusations of samefagging when lots of people notice the same issues with the art.
This thread is pretty much why I've given up on the english community as a whole. The average fan has become so retarded since 2025, it was somewhat tolerable before but holy fuck.
>>51022711The stream interview mentions how Curee started redrawing all of the portraits until Zun randomly found the original art a month later. So if anything its tracing, not AI>Lots of artists use AI all the time, it's super normal.Just stop replying, you're tiring and don't care to have any sort of good faith about this.
>>51022715You're not Japanese, you're just an ESL larper.
>>51022706spoken like an insufferable pc98 fag
>>51022719When did I say I was following the japanese one?
>>51022715i wouldnt say a few 4chan shitposters are indicative of a community as a whole
>>51022725to be desu, outside of 4chan it's even worse. Imagine your average /v/tard but thrice the retardation.
>>51022722>everyone I disagree is my imaginary boogymanAre you ok?
>>51022719Nice job proving his point.
>>51022725/jp/ was the last tolerable place to talk about touhou (in english) on the internet.
>>51022723Ok ur based lol>>51022729You're welcome
>>51022730>wasyeah WAS, and that WAS many years ago.
Why do people say EoSD doesn't run on modern PCs?
>>51022748Because it straight up doesn't without numerous workarounds because of how dogshit windows 11 is, and 10 to a slightly lesser amount.Still runs fine on W7 and my Linux box.
>>51022748Last time I tried running it the game ran at like 1000 FPS, I assume things have gotten even worse since then.
>>51022748People are too retarded to just use the Nyaa pack
Let's hope everyone doesn't fumble it
>>51022474Yes Anon, anyone skeptical or critical is just one person who is specifically out to get you and you alone. Now take your medication already.Also did you just admit to browsing /v/? We used to beat people up for saying that.
>>51022779lmao you cannot post this while writing like a tourist
>>51022718So they were going to do redraw art and then decided to upscale the originals instead? And what do you mean, majority of artists use AI, 3D models, or other digital tools in their workflow. How is it tiring to point that out? I don't even understand what you mean by good faith, what does that mean
>>51022786>Just stop replying, you're tiring and don't care to have any sort of good faith about this.
>>51022787But I don't understand what that means. And seems like you're just trying to avoid discussion about it and shut it down to try and bully people into not nooooticing the slop.
>>51020753Those were just games on the system. This was outright revealed in a Nintendo direct itself with its own trailer that's on Nintendo's Channel.
>>51022790>>51022663
>>51020647Is this some sort of AI upscale of the original art or what?
>>51022797It's tracing of the original, full portraits.
>>51022799Yeah I can see it being that. It matches the original style very closely.Either way, it'll be nice to have a modern playable version. A lot of the 2hu games are difficult as hell to play on modern systems without a lot of tinkering and patches.
>>51022748It’s a 24 years old game, I would be more surprised if it somehow work on modern machine
>>51020610>remakes
>>51022794But did the artist outright say anything about it or are you just making this stuff up? I haven't accused them of lying because I don't believe they've actually said anything.
>>51022819Yes. Watch the stream.
The Rin Satsuki beggars is probably the most annoying breed of people, doesn’t help that EoSD popularity enable them
>>51022821So they straight up said it's a tracing and they didn't use AI at all in the process? The actual artist said this word for word?
>>51022829If you're being that much of a lazy moron...Die under that rock, shitskin
>>51022829https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SealioningYou're clearly not here to actually discuss and just want to push your narrative in the most obnoxious way possible.
>>51022836>>51022839All I want is a confirmation on what the artist has said and none of you can tell me, you just hurl insults and make snide remarks instead of saying anything useful. I don't have time to sift through a stream, if you've watched it you can quote where they said it's a tracing with no AI involved.
>>51022842Do the legwork yourself or kill yourself I dont care which.
Nigga just let him believe what he believe
Did the bot from /m/ leak here? This is silly
I feel like making Touhou more known to international community will either be the best thing ever or the worst. Only time can tell
>>51022854Barely any more people than those who already cared will be bothered with it.Nothing will change.
>>51022856Well I mean the problem have always been that there’s not enough people who know what the actual series is about to form a real community over. Most of the drama in western fanbase basically came from thatSo many things would change if people just simply play the game
>>51022863I don't think this release really has the impact you think it's going to have
>>51022863SHMUPs are still an unpopular genre amongst normalfags and I doubt the announcement of a game is going to draw more interest from non current fans than now.The official TL might draw a few into finally trying out the games but I can't imagine it'll be a big number.
>>51022864Not immediately at least
>>51022843Considering you won't say, I assume it doesn't bolster your case. Yes, I'm sure all the artists who worked on this demaster are all heckin' wholesome beans that didn't du nuffin. I'm sure just because they drew in the past means they'd never touch the new shiny digital tool now at their fingertips to make art even easier than it already was. Surely that's just impossiburu!
Wait if this new circle will be handling old game remake and potential official translation for all game, then I wonder if Team Shanghai Alice will still be business as usual, as in ZUN will keep releasing new game without translation and then they will patch it later? Or maybe all new game from now on will be published by the new circle
>>51021748>she wanted to get revenge for Patchy.That’s a cute headcanon, but you're just taking Remilia's wishful thinking and word for it. She thinks that's why Flandre left, but she’s completely unaware that Yukari was the one who actually let her out to hunt the vengeful spirit. Flan doesn't care about Patchy or Meiling. She is a psycho.Re-read the chapter 32 again. You are wrong.
>>51022875Oh hi Dishwasher-kun!
It's funny that the original game still isn't being translated.
What’s funnier is that EoSD got on PlayStation before 17.5 lol
>>51022881Huh???
>>51022869Well you proved my point at least, so you can fuck off with your trolling.
>>51022886Please stop replying to this guy, you won't get the last word because he's been looking for an argument, the thread is bad enough as it is. Stop giving him material, notice how all the AI posts stopped while you gave him an argument.
>>51022886I don't know what your point even was besides you not agreeing it looks like AI was involved and refusing to say whether the artist said it was handdrawn or not. Do you draw by the way? Do you know anything about art? It's always funny to me when people accuse me of trolling when I'm just speaking my plain thoughts. Kind of crazy actually.
this game will unironically save /jp/
>>51022875Flandrefags are not very smart pls don't bully
>>51022883YET
>>51022891I know but its so funny watching him try his hardest when everybody else already caught up with who is involved from the announcement stream.
>>51022756>Nyaa pack6-8 still crashes occasionally. It works fine, most of the time. But it's by no means a perfectly stable release when running on modern hardware.Hell, 7 is actually wonky unless you tweak some of the options first.
I also heard that they are developing a whole new engine for this, that probably can be used for future Touhou and Touhou remake, mostly just so all Touhou game can be ported to multiple platform
>>51022919Big if true.You got a timestamp for that?
>>51022923Nah, I just saw it being said multiple time when looking through JP fan discussion regarding that, so take it with a grain of salt
>>51022935I see. Still, porting the remakes and/or even newer games sounds pretty ambitious.
>>51022005lol, nice>>51022264And the druken lolicon that tells fans their waifu stinks is the only one to include "old graphic" and 'old music" options thinking of people that complain about the new style as opposed to companies with a dedicated marketing team and PR...
>>51021899>"Move bitch, get out of the way!" translates the tone/rudeness to an English speaker but there's no prostitution related lingo in the original at that part.>"shit" and "crap".That's literally there if you transliterate but might be left out because if you adapt it "dam/dammit" is considered less of a bad word nowadays. But Japanese consider "kuso" way softer than what shit or crap is considered in English.But Touhou is pretty hard to translate because of a lot of vague statements, wordplays and cultural references.Also because the writer won't explain shit to translators but that usually happens in game translations sadly.All that as well as Engrish/English getting lost in translation.So things like Marisa talking in English (only once iirc) is lost.Or what attacks are in Engrish like MASUTAA SUPAAKU (well I guess most people know that one is Engrish.tl;dr Translation is absurdly complex with no clear objectively best way to do it since it also depends on the audience
So in conclusion: The art is an AI upscale but people are making up the lie that it's traced to lessen the impact...except tracing is equally as bad if not worse than AI generations because you're literally tracing someone else's work.However, I blame ZUN even more for this because he's literally giving people permission to AI generate/trace his work. Considering he used AI backgrounds in Touhou 20, no surprises there.
>>51023030>he's still here trying to push his baseless narrativeAwkward, do you really need another (You) before bedtime?
>>51021899Didn't the original hardpatches have to match the exact number of characters that the JP dialogue had?
>>51022854I don't really think that's happening because they omitted the announcement from the Direct most of the world watched. What might help make it more accessible though is being a mainline game with an official translation, which might also result in the whole rest of the games also getting translated.
>>51022945Well the official account bio stated that they wanted to make Touhou games (plural) available on all platforms, so it already seem like a pretty grand project to begin with
>>51022894>Do you draw by the way? pyw?>>51023030All you can do to get an actual statement is wait to see further info.If anything ask people that attach a drawing or a gen to their post to actually discern how good the eyesight of the poster is.>are making up the lie that it's traced to lessen the impactWhenever it's traced or inpainted(Is that the right term?) doesn't mean much since the outlines match so it's 99% traced or went through a similar process. Unless some 'tist just really copied from scratch but I would fear someone with such a power level.>traced to lessen the impact.Only post here talking about the morality of tracing is:>>51020767>but tracing, which is just as as morally dubious when undisclosed,Which isn't really positive and even got interpreted as it dissing this specific case of tracing by a different anon.>except tracing is equally as bad if not worse than AI generations>because you're literally tracing someone else's work.So is it better in this case in your opinion? I mean ZUN gave permission. And we know most people would shit any deviation on the original either way.>Considering he used AI backgrounds in Touhou 20, no surprises there.Every game past.... the first one is traced because HRtP contains traced art?
I hope there will be an option to turn the visible hitbox off to make it more like the original.
>>51023040
>>51021981>>51023076damn you really have been here all day trying to push this
>>51021295>>51022894Let's see:>Bow morphs into skullIt's weird but the bow has a highlight separating head and bow. Still the bow is fucking flat WTF I hope they fix it since it looks like a trapeze instead of being hourglass shaped.>Details are meltedYou mean only separated by a highlight like in the original?>Eyelines morph into hairThe right line of the iris going into the hair is more of a human mistake than genned afaik since it's just not cleaning up the circle you drew or just going passed the outline.>Sleeves altered>wings look fucked up s' meltedArtist might have gotten tired at that point, the portraits feel rushed at some points but might also be AI>MeltedOdd curve indeed.The weird thing is most other sprites looking pretty normal even if I dislike them imo but I'm also not sure how much they are tracing since ZUN has wobbly as heck lines.I'm in fact surprised(I really shouldn't be at this point) no one posted the full body Cirno which has the same wings that kinda piss me off.No definite statement on my part since it could be either (if you clean your slop stuff gets hard to detect( just look at our local sloppers)I would wait or seek clues at other portraits before throwing definitive statements.The posts screaming A.I. don't really help since they sure feel like high IQ:>>510221011yen=1cent, Greentext>>51021956>You can finish the game in 20 minutesAlso in this very thread:>>51021177> 20+ minutes is too long for a single run.But y'now, people knowing shit of the games they talk about or reading the thread is... UTOPIAN nowadays.
>>51021464>tateA bit of gain but maaaaybe in the switch we get that since the switch feels to small for a bullet hell imo.>SC-88Pro playback of the midi versionsNice to see I'm not the only one, shouldn't be too hard to put those in some ogg or wav files. But I don't really have many hopes for those important things since *looks at thread* yeah most people probably don't care>>51021495They feel like they are missing colors imo, hopefully they retouch them
https://touhou-project.news/shanghai-alice-reprise/en/>games>pluralSo EoSD won't be the only one. Up to which one are they gonna tackle? Honestly, I'd say the only ones that actually need a touchup to modern hardware are 6-8
>>51023147At the very least if 7-8 are also gonna be remade that means Alice is finally gonna be dragged out of the no-game jail she's been stuck in for like two decades now.>B-But it's just a remake anonShut up, I'll take what I can get.
>>51023147I still want PC98 games acknowledged I wouldn't mind just the roms wrapped in an emulator package. In fact that would probably be the best option
>>51023161>PC98yeah never gonna happen with ZUN>Emulatornever gonna happen in japan
>>51023075Look at the vid at 0:25 >>51020625Classic mode has no hitbox despite focus >>51023147Probably 6-8 for starters but if windows keeps changing things other games might also get new issues.I personally hope for IaMP and such but I honestly doubt it.
>>51023163I know that the chances are super low but if the team pushed hard enough maybe ZUN would surrender to the idea.As for the emulators - plenty re-releases on steam that work such way such as SaGa/FF legends collection. I assume they are sold in Japan as well. I forgot other games but I remember there were examples of Nintendo games where people de-compiled executable and there were only a wrappers running libretro cores.If I remember correctly there was even a thing in Nintendo museum where they had to prevent people from disconnecting controllers because if they would they would hear retroarch controller disconnected sound.As long as you are not open about it it's fair game.
>>51022706ITT:>>51021234>new touhou game that it's essentially HRtP but extended and acts like a "new testament" by going back to it's roots without regurgitating the newer games like PCB/TD shit. It's a old work game and will act like one. Incredible! And on top of that:>>51021127>THE OFUDA IS ALREADY WORTHLESS IN-GAME ANYWAYOh boy! I can't wait for another HRtP "fan"game by someone who doesn't get the original game!And those "fans" seem to care more about the games lore being canon/aknowledged rather than the lore or any aspect of the games themselves.Either that or they just seem to like use old games to complain about new games.
Getting a modern game treatment with a steam release means that achievements will probably a thing. Gonna be funny to see the statistics for this one. I'm actually curious to see what the completion rate will be for a easy modo 1cc achievement. We'll actually have a decent metric now of how much the average modern 2hu fan are actually shitters when it comes these games.
>>51023179I really hope there won't be cheevos for easy mode unless they unlock automatically for beating harder modes as well otherwise I'm not 100% it
>>51023185Just do a no-vertical Easy run. Or add other fun challenges...Well, no, actually 100%ting cheevos sucks in a lot of games, maybe it's better to get used to ignoring them.
I'm 1000% sure all this shitflinging is /v/ermin we didn't have this much posters before this lol
Thoughts?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HkQylAlii0
>>51023217Parts of it are pretty solid but in some parts it feels like too many instruments are fighting for attention.>>51023212Well I'm sorry the video game board doesn't allow us to discuss huge recent video game news.
>>51021939Fair point, at least I get something for missing the expo I guess...>>51021950Same, It makes sense, but having seen those sprites awkwardly cut all those years now makes the full pic look weirdThat Marisa might hunt my dreams>>51023217Not bad. Don't like the drums at 0:25 but the rest seems fine. FW/Modern instruments make it feel uncanny to me but maybe I just have to listen to it a few more times.
>>51023222>too many instruments are fighting for attentionI think it's heavily inspired by the original MIDI tracks. They are more instrumental than release. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gptQndKxYBI
>>51023240Weird even the midi sounds more simple and less "busy" than the new one to me...I'm not a music expert but it somehow feels like the beautiful simplicity of the old tracks was lost to make the new on more "bombastic" while the old one was more melancholic?
What will the new version of Sitting Reimu look like?
>>51023147The titles not on steam would make the most sense, and you could argue after however long that takes they might look at the titles that never got a higher native resolution as the baseline? I guess it'd be neat if they redid the fighters and had something like a more robust modern match making server through steam. Then we could all complain about not having rollback netcode, or alternatively be the envy of all of those higher fidelity games that lack it
>>51023222I think I agree, it does sound a bit cluttered. To me it sounds like one instrument I'm not sure how to pick out and label is being doubled up on. Notably in that 0:38 to 0:50 stretch. It sounds more like it's fighting for attention than being a complementary sound.
I wonder if they'll fix Patchouli's theme in rearrangement or return guitar distortion in Sakuya's?
>>51023240New ost in general just feels like the midi mixed with the wav in a weird way.Doubt I'll prefer any remake ost but not bad.>>51023261The zunpet and violin/string that then fades? I actually like that part lol>>51023264Fix?Also not sure if I can trust ZUN with guitar distortion anymore
>>51023147>I'd say the only ones that actually need a touchup to modern hardware are 6-8Games from 9 to 11 or 12, I think, are limited to 640x480, which causes icons on desktop to get messed up for some, and also makes windowed mode practically useless on displays above 768p. I am confused as to why he didn't backport higher resolution options to these games when releasing on Steam. Didn't he integrate Steam's P2P for netplay in PoFV?Anyway maybe he's all out of ideas, knows how much more attention older games are getting, so strap up for re-releases about every year or two now (which is a welcome change, because to me none of the new games seem appealing anymore)
>>51023282also>modern hardwareby that they might not necessarily mean computers but consoles instead, which might seem to be the primary focus of this endeavour. Console market is probably bigger in Japan than personal computers nowadays
>>51023279The part from 1:29 is literally my favorite from the entire EOSD soundtrack.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uMMEUzoP60 Maybe it's just me but it sounds sloppy in WAV
>>51023287Good taste, the strings have way more contrast here (sounds more like wind instrument here). I really hope for the ost to have 3 options: remake, wav, midi but I wouldn't put my hopes up.>Maybe it's just meEh, Not sure right now if any wav version was better than the sc-88pro, I think I generally prefer that one. People being really used to the wav music probably also changes the general perception they have.I really like Shuusou Gyoku's ost so I usually prefer the midi version of EoSD (downloaded that playlist as wav files and just slapped them on the EoSD bgm folder(kinda works)) The wav might fit the fight better for the gloomy atmosphere since in this version I feel like flying high above the clouds, but midi just wins here imo.But I'm no musician so idk, I can't say much more.
https://x.com/Nintendo/status/2064356482330833292It is unironically over.Every single other thing combined up to this point didn't bring as much attention to Touhou as this single thing. Whether you think it's AI-generated slop, traced slop, or a soulless cash grab, the amount of zoomies that will flood in to the fandom will be catastrophic. You could add up every single thing ZUN has ever announced, every single video ZUN has released, and every single livestream and aired television program in Japan that ZUN has participated in, and they STILL wouldn't surpass the amount of views this ONE SINGLE POST on X has gotten. For crying out loud, it passed Deltarune, Kingdom Hearts IV, and Spyro, and it has almost caught up with the OoT remake, which was THE biggest news of the entire set of reveals in the past week!It has never been more over than it is right now.
>>51023178The PC-98 games are like the later two Tron movies; everything in them exists as a vehicle for the soundtrack, and without it you just have a hackey series of 90s Japanese pop culture references loosely strung together into a plot.
>>51023321Even the McDonalds promotions?
>>51023322>Pop cultureYou mean doujin culture.
>>51023321>It has never been more over than it is right now.Nigger, Touhou is the face of Roblox for Gen Alphas and Zoomers in Japan.Whatever doomposting you're doing about 2hu being ruined by newfags, you are years too fucking late.
>>51023323https://x.com/McDonaldsJapan/status/1826137155627896998>47.3M views>Japan's population is estimated at roughly 123 million.>nearly half of all Japanese people watched thisLiterally the only thing more popular than this is the Bad Apple video on YouTube with 130M views.
>>51023329Didn't Hideki Kamiya recently posted on twitter really confused about 2hu thinking it's some sort of Anime? And he is supposed to be well versed on video games scene.
oh boy, he looks as good as ever
>>51023329It's actually amazing how many people aren't aware how casualized and overrun by secondaries Touhou is in Japan. EoSD remake won't really change jack shit to its already ruined and oversaturated presence. The only thing it's adding to the table is that secondaries no longer have any excuse about not being able to play the games because its inaccessible.>>51023332A lot of old coot big name game devs like him are actually quite divorced from otaku/doujin culture in general. They don't really stray too far from their "AAA" circle.
>>51023282You are stupid, we already have a game related to Project Artemis booked whenever ZUN wanted to do it. Nigga see 1 remake and assume it will be all he do now
>>51023335>They don't really stray too far from their "AAA" circle.Well yeah but that's the point, AAA is normalfag zone. Besides I don't think your average Nintendo user will look at the trailer, see the shmup gameplay and go "oh yeah this is peak frfr"
>>51023321>OoT remakeAnother one??!Either way the well has been poisoned long ago, most people just like to larp as it being some sekrit klub.>>51023322>Into a plotPeople really care a lot about muh lore and muh canon huh.> 90s Japanese pop culture references loosely strung together into a plotAnd 80s... Well idk maybe some more things but people get too defensive or offensive or whatever discussing anything.Still gotta love my black/purple/brown haired girls, in games that just say "fuck it photos as backgrounds".
>>51023332Even in Japan..."Is it anime?"
>>51023335>They don't really stray too far from their "AAA" circle.Funny how I saw a video of a teacher asking some Japanese kids if they knew what Final Fantasy is, and not a single kid knew what the fuck it was. Meanwhile, they asked if they knew what Touhou was, and a lot of them said they did, but they recognized it from Roblox and Yukkuri videos.Muh doujin spirit triumphed over mainstream AAA in the cultural zeitgeist, but at what cost.
>>51023334His smile and confidence: restored
>>51023335I've seen nips complain and be like "In Japan Touhou discussion sucks since most people here are just kids who don't even touch the games, people overseas play the games more", not sure if they're talking about other Asian countries or if it's a grass is greener effect but I feel like it sucks here more...>>51023335>>51023340Touhou is in a weird spot where it has been really popular on the internet/otaku circles, but not really irl/mainstream.As time goes on thought the border between irl/mainstream and internet/otaku circles has been getting thinner imo.So I wouldn't be surprised if I see someone with a fumo on the street one of this days. (If I don't go full hikki)
>>51023354>I've seen nips complain"You're not a real Touhou fan if you haven't played any of the games" is like a spicy flame topic on JP internet like every other week lmao. They aren't wrong though. I won't even make fun of you for easy modo. Just play the games for fucks sake.
I fell uniquely disconnected from Touhou fandom, since I am here for the games, I don't really care about character's lore or stories, it seems like that's their focus.I love the characters but I don't really care about Gensokyou in-depth, seems like everyoone else just discusses the lore, Gensokyou's rules, etc.
>>51023356I played Sumizoomie's game and it has become my favorite Touhou game of all time.
>>51023356I will thou
>>51023368That's not even easy modo anymore. That's something even below it.
>>51023368>>51023369Journalist Mode
>>51023352It is really a high budged centralized media vs decentralized fanart focused media.>>51023356>spoilerAt this point, yes. Heck my standards are probably even lower:Don't larp as playing the games if you don't play them.All this shit because people couldn't come up with words or write the longer "fan of the games" or "fan of the fandom" or "fan of this ideas" make other words and fight over the dam term of fan like a bunch of fanatics.
>>51023369>>51023370Very well then
>>51023358It is absolutely good that you only like the games.to each his own, but anon,lore isn't fandom... Zun started expanding lore with Curiosities of Lotus Asia more than 20 years ago and there's a plethora of canon printed books and Renko and Maribel CD'sall canon
People where complaining about infinite lifes?I wanted to ask if people really aren't familiar with the concept of credit feeding and coins?I mean people know what arcades are and they still use physical money.... right?!Oh, hello Koma-
>>51023321you're about 15 years too late to complain about touhou being mainstream and full of annoying children fans on the english speaking internet. take it easy :)
>>51023378>>51023378Hmm.. infinite lives replacing continues(but why, lol it is basically the same and it was a cool coin-op nostalgia heritage) and should bring to a bad end , if they stick to the canonical gameplay.I don't think ZUN will allow to get a good ending with infinite lives.
>>51023358>I fell uniquely disconnected from Touhou fandom, since I am here for the games, I don't really care about character's lore or stories, it seems like that's their focus.You have quite a few people who just like the games and ignore the lore.>I love the characters but I don't really care about Gensokyou in-depth,Wish people where that honest>seems like everyoone else just discusses the lore, Gensokyou's rules, etc.Lore might filter more people out than gameplay ironically. People mostly care about showing off to other people how they are right and others are wrong than anything else really.Like, not even pc98 games. 5(five) games have people getting a proper grasp on ZUN's schizofrenia, that fucker implying shit all the time without stating it specifically makes discussion so dam messy.
>>51023386imo I would have just put infinite continues.>I don't think ZUN will allow to get a good ending with infinite lives.Considering Easy mode is just 5 stages I doubt it.It also doesn't seem to be available on extra stage as expected.But idk maybe someone tries to convince ZUN to think of the "poor players" before release and change stuff.
>>51023386>>51023392A lot of people ragequit on continue so maybe it's to allow people a more "relaxed" way to practice. Not much changes really but maybe psychologically people might actually try to finish their runs and practice the final boss more as opposed to being in early stage retry hell all the time.I would rather get a save state system to practice but with official practice modes it's more efford to fake scores/runs and such.
>>51023368Why the fuck did ZUN even allowed this shit? He is not the type to make such concessions to the players.Maybe Nintendo publishers?
>>51023358I'm in similar spot With the slight difference that I would actually like to learn more about gensokyo but I find the printworks terribly dull, not saying that they are objectively bad or anything just that they don't really "catch me", and I had to force myself just to finish the chapters, so I've just given up on that... >>51023388>Lore might filter more people out than gameplay ironically. Does it though? I feel like there are more people who read the printworks than those who play the games, at least from my experience.
>>51023358>I fell uniquely disconnected from Touhou fandomIt's subdivided into a shitton of subfandoms either way... Or a bunch of people just arguing.>>51023376>lore>lore>canon>canonMost canon discussion is just people trying to impose their own canon, dismiss whatever they don't like.It's a dam weird religion at this point with people trying to build a sort of church (shizos even in a more literal sense I guess)
>>51023361prove it
Is this the most popular thread in the recent history of jaypee?How are we moving so fast
>>51023404>their own canon =fandom>ZUN canon =lorei like lore.
>>51023407Threads on /v/ keep getting deleted
>>51023397Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom already exists though? I feel that game's continue system isn't that far away from this.
>>51023429LoLK PD mode was balanced around the game being unusually difficult, EoSD doesn't need one, the remake giving you visible hitbox is already baby mode
>>51023441The hitbox being visible is hardly something that makes a game easier And it's not like people don't use external tools for practicing, this isn't too different from thatI really don't see the problem.
>>51021676meiling was always a meme
>>51023447Eosd bullet patterns were coded without visible hitbox in mind. I won't enable this option.Glad they also added the classic mode.
>>51023401>don't really "catch me"He uses a bunch of folklore, Japanese sayings, word puns and stuff for worldbuilding. The stories are also weirdly paced. Can't blame you.ZUN got surprised Touhou got popular overseas since it's "very Japanese" iircWhich one did you try to read?>Does it though? I guess it depends on what level of gameplay we're talking but if we consider normal 1cc + extras as a base.If you stay here long enough you'll see that people make their ideas of pics posted here out of context.But if you care about lore spending time here is a baaad idea.If something was just implied/metaphorical you can't really objectively proof it unlike with replay files.Some anon might see an puddle in a single line and another the whole fucking ocean.But the way people interpret canon feels very disconnected from my experience.>>51023408>i like lore.Anything you like in particular?
>>51023447>The hitbox being visible is hardly something that makes a game easier>>51023459>Eosd bullet patterns were coded without visible hitbox in mind.I tried playing both with a patch and without it and it was much more difficult without the hitbox patch, bullet patterns even in lunatic and extra give you a lot of room for error in judging your hitbox size and location, it being visible definitely affects the gameplay.By comparison even Cirno patterns in PCB give you very little space to maneuver just because you have visible hitbox in that game.
>>51023462>Anything you like in particular?The boundaries between dream and reality , the real world and Gensokyo, the balance of gods and faith , youkai and fear.
>>51023447My only regret about the visible hitbox is that EoSD basically forced me to understand where the hitbox is at all times. That helped me a lot in the next games because I could reposition unfocused a lot easier. It's a good skill to learn and I think EoSD is lenient enough at least on Normal and Extra that the hitbox not being visible isn't really that bad.Still I've seen people complain about that frequently so I understand why they added it and don't mind it.
>>51023462>He uses a bunch of folklore, Japanese sayings, word puns and stuff for worldbuildingThat in particular isn't that much of a problem for me, I've been interested in Japanese folklore for a while so it's pretty fun when there's a reference to something I understand. Though I also was surprised by how much I didn't know, thank god for TN. Though the pacing was definitely one of the issues. >Which one did you try to read?WaHH, SSiB and the Eientei 4koma (the only one that I finished)>Some anon might see an puddle in a single line and another the whole fucking ocean.That's just the nature of art in general I feel, when there's a vagueness people like to project their own meanings and interpretations, even if the author never intended them.
>>51023482I dunno, I'm one of those people who didn't really have a problem with it, like after a bit you more or less know where it is, even without it being visible. Lately I've started doing lunatic runs (on EoSD) and I haven't had a problem with it.
>>51023397its for the (actual no joke) 7 year olds to finally get into the game
>>51023222>Well I'm sorry the video game board doesn't allow us to discuss huge recent video game news.Oh, well I feel sorry for your mods being turbo faggots (ours just hate us and are incredibly neglectful)But still every nu/v/ conversation has to be outrage shit "ooh ooh is that AI?!? oooo oooo the price tag for a remake?!! uuuuuu uuuuu uuu- (picrel)"Didn't I tell you to stop making that "uuu, uuu" sound!!" it's fucking exhausting and you bring that kind of baggage with you everywhere. I don't understand how you can even put up with yourselves
>>51023522I don't see any real harm in that if they actually play the game instead of only really starting with and only sticking to the gacha as their entry point. Especially since the original version is supposedly right there for everyone else. Hasn't ZUN mentioned the kid(s) of his friend(s) liking certain characters before, notably Flan? I have to wonder if that type of interaction influenced getting EOSD properly set up for modern hardware without the hoops the Japanese seem to really dislike.
>>51023252This will breathe new life into the Sitting Reimu community.
>>51023494> thank god for TN. Yeah, they feel like a necessity. And it's really hard to get a complete pic of folklore.>Eientei 4koma (the only one that I finished)The one's that's more like a "normal story" I guess. Had the least input of ZUN lol.Dunno if purely written stuff might be more your thing rather than manga. The CDs are really nice and short, so pretty good to start with imo.Maybe the 2hu canon is really just for weirdoes tho... (just look at the PMiSS readalong thread, and that should be the most popular non-manga printwork)>when there's a vagueness people like to project their own meanings and interpretations, even if the author never intended them.Well that's what most people seem a bit unaware on that when discussing the lore.>>51023469Pretty general...But I guess kind of particular to Touhou too. Sometimes people focus a lot on both sides of a boundary but not on the boundary itself.Fitting answer for someone including Hifuu and CoLA in his post.
>>51023356That's fine and all but I sure will
>>51023178Hey I'm the "HRtP but extended" anon here.I was checking out what was the fuss was about and I was pretty interested in the EoSD remake. I saw some anons craving for some PC-98 shit, so why not I just put some fun teasers here and there in the meantime.>Incredible!Thank you! I can't wait to finish this game.>Oh boy! I can't wait for another HRtP "fan"game by someone who doesn't get the original game!I wrote that because I beat the game without shooting the orb, plus the ofuda is as buggy as the rest of the game. And for balancing sake. But if things won't go as I expected, I'll might add the shooting mechanic as band-aid. As for why I said this>It's a old work game and will act like one.It's rare to see a Touhou fangame that it's not the current thing. So having the former might shake things up a bit.
>>51023590Getting bullied and being a bully is a quintessential experience for Touhou.
>>51023178>>51023347>being this insufferableYou just prove his point kek
>>51023358At this point, loreschizos are the worst thing you could ever experience in any fandom. >I love the characters but I don't really care about Gensokyou in-depth, seems like everyoone else just discusses the lore, Gensokyou's rules, etc.Because Touhou fans never played the games and are more interested in something they can easily consume.
>>51023641Hard disagree. Given how scattered the secondary material is, it is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to play one of the games. And that's not even touching on the dubious translations, very few of which are official. So yeah, no. Some people just prefer one aspect of the series to another. It's that simple.
People don't realize that if nu-EoSD pops off like early 2010's Touhou again, that would also likely equate to newhus getting a boost. Granted, it doesn't always happen, but I can imagine in this case it does, since when people make fanwork at this point, they don't have to make shit up anymore for a lot of character interaction.If that happens, I can imagine characters that are connected to oldhus getting a boost, like Yuuma and Okina. Although Okina is already one of the most popular newhus out there.
>>51023459omg originel patchouli!
Average Touhou fag hasn't played anything after SA. At most they skipped some games up to LoLK just because of "le hardest" meme.
>>51023661>pops off like early 2010'sShmups are poison to zoomies.Touhou isn't getting any more popular than it already is just because ZUN ran EoSD through a waifu2x filter and vibecoded the engine to behave similarly.
>>51023878Why would anyone willingly play UFO or TD? They have shit gimmick and patterns. The only saving grace is music and characters
>>51023878I draw the line at LoLK, I don't really like the games past that
>>51023882>Shmups are poison to zoomies.I forced my (kind of autistic) 102% normalfag friend to play Shoot the bullet and he liked it, to be fair he IS a geometry dash addict and has like 300 hours on that shit. I think you could definitely market Touhou to these kind of people, specially considering it doesn't have that ""coombait"" anime aesthetic zoomers hate due to heavy irony poisoning.
>>51023878True dat.I don't really give a shit about any of the games after 11 baring the floatans and 17.5, but those are mostly due to the spectacle of them. The plots don't interest me, and I only like some of the newhu designs.
>>51023878UFO, DDC and UM are a must play for any real Touhou fan.
>>51023859where remake patchouli
>>51023985>UM
>>51023990It's the best nu-Touhou game and it's super replayable.
Remakes of the phantasmagoria games wen
>>51022706I wanted to say the "HRtP to EoSD are the best game threads" (truktranny proved he didn't play WBaWC) https://warosu.org/jp/thread/50454818#p50469272as well as the guy in denial of the word Gensokyo wasn't really used in EoSD (he didn't read the prologue) https://warosu.org/jp/thread/50651693#p50663994The Touhoumon fag who refused to play anything past EoSD. >>https://warosu.org/jp/thread/50748311#p50769885The Touhoumon fag in another side (not anonymous) that insisted on Gensokyo being mentioned in the prologue doesn't count as it being an actual place. A thread where nobody seems to know shit about pc98 games (just like in this shithole)But they might all be the same guy to be fair. Seeing the ESL patternsThere was also the CDS thread that got derailed into PC-98 discussion really easily. the most shitflinging 2hu threads (excluding sheer /v/hu that are also full of PC-98 hipsters) >>https://warosu.org/jp/thread/50213128They all appear whenever new stuff gets mentioned but their threads are usually dedAlso hipster mentality here:>>51021010>You can take comfort in the fact that the PC-98 games will forever be niche and a good judge of true touhou appreciationI'm sure there isn't exactly another hipster post in Kissu in the direct thread:>For anyone worried about touhou becoming mainstream in the west, there's always the PC-98 games that will never be discussed officially ever to fall back onFucken lovely!I started thinking this was funny but eventually I just got pissed. Can't believe the fucking turkhater is just as fucking annoying as the turk I should probably stop the hate chain before I become one of them and actually spend my time on better things, but I just got too angry. Guess I got too deep into this shithole.So I kind of agree with >>51021928 but in /jp/ it is probably mostly due to /v/hu crap
Soku remake....
Honestly i'm not so much scared of anything but of the fact that there will be even more tumblrite/tiktok/twitter retards with flags in bio and so on because of this. But maybe i just need to take it easy
>>51023859They will never make me hate the original Unmoving Great Library's design
>>51021939I think I liked Meilings old shade of green better to be honest
>>51024024Tasofro is washed now
I'm more curious if Daiyousei's sprite will retain the bob cut or if it's gonna be the sidetail hairstyle that's become her canon look in her more recent appearances.
>>51024022Well, okay, so there are secondaries and people with different tastes and opinions. What does it change about PC-98fags as a whole? Because every Touhoufag has their own headcanons since they don't actually play the games anyway.As for the Rhydonfag, I see that this pokemon got harassed by turktranny and his discord buddies because they believed it's their boogeyman. Well, the Touhoumon fag did have the infamous screenshot, but I mean, everybody here already knows this turkroach at this point.Again, people like you are complaining about them more than the thing itself, especially when this tranny exists, which speaking of:>The Touhoumon fag in another side (not anonymous) that insisted on Gensokyo being mentioned in the prologue doesn't count as it being an actual place. A thread where nobody seems to know shit about pc98 games (just like in this shithole)Who?>But they might all be the same guy to be fair. Seeing the ESL patternsIf you're talking about some tripfag, I'm not surprised that the turktranny might be the one behind this. Since he's also an ESL himself. But that's beside the point.>Can't believe the fucking turkhater is just as fucking annoying as the turk I should probably stop the hate chain before I become one of them and actually spend my time on better things, but I just got too angry. Guess I got too deep into this shithole.I mean, being this pedantic and obsessed, then I must say. You're almost as bad as the turktranny over there. Just saying.
>>51024112boss sprite will probably have the ponytailportrait if theres one will be a colored version of the one shown at the expo so....
Finally, the time of Fran Doll is upon us.
>>51023641In my experience there's been more fanwork writers (on the western side) who've actually played the games but ignored large swathes of the lore and printworks. You can enjoy one or the other but I always find it irritating people wanting to write storybased stuff like that are the ones ignoring the actual important story and setting information. Like seriously if you want to make silly fanworks like most doujins I will not get on your case about inaccuracy (i'm looking at you people who want to bitch about Zounose out of the blue)I also play the games though admittedly not every game and I suck at 1cc'ing>>51023661Honestly concerns about what it might do to the broader western fandom aside (although I suspect that's happened already and we just are just pretending it isn't from our comfy /jp/ bunker), I do hope there might be a boost of fans who get interested in actually getting into the series from this... then again EoSD has some of the worst story ever, all the characters sound like they're high talking in complete non-sequiturs a PCB remake would definitely do it for sure
>>51023321Zoomers getting introduced to Touhou through an actual fucking game? Heresy! It should have been another fumo drop or more gacha shit!
/jp/ gonna get a flux of nintendo fans
>>51024022>truktranny proved he didn't play WBaWCI haven't played any Touhou games. Unless Lost Word counts!
So the best way to keep Touhou truly immortal is to rerelease EoSD every 25 years...Better than Bethesda's technique, at least.
>>51020880>Doctor EllenI like that more than I'm willing to admit.
>>51023321The western community is already ruined up by undertale fans to the point it's just hilariously bad to interact with, honestly it can't be even worse than the current state of the "fandom"
>>51023330>forgetting about PPAP
https://x.com/Kasasagi1216/status/2064457904380575764Koakuma fan happy to get a glimpse of his waifu without severe cataracts for the first time.
>>51022025Spaztron has done more for touhou and the general otaku community than everyone in this thread combined
>>51022236Kill yourself election tourist
The mid-bosses will never get a portrait
I don't know why you guys complain about pc98 not getting a remake when these games were already decompiled?You can make your own "Reprised" version like this anon >>51021234
>>51024605Getting sprites that are clearer than pic related would already be a massive improvement.
>>51024615Only the first game is decompiled. The other 4 are still wip.
>>51024622Finally us Canon Koakuma truthers will get our day
>>51024794She already showed up long time ago in 3 fairies manga with a short hair
>>51024301yeah seriouslyI'm hoping they're doing the first 3 Windows games (PoFV if we're lucky although tbdesu I don't think it really warrants remastering it's visuals are quite good but updated multiplayer component would be pretty nice) on one hand yes there will be a tide of annoying Zoom Zooms but we can just educate them into naturalization (they will enjoy the loli nhentai doujins in due time)
Uh...https://x.com/spaztron64/status/2064556714775429406
>>51024815Short hair is nice and she showed up in early CDS like that too. Problem is it's still using her fanon design which has four pairs of wings and professional clothing (CDS design gave her a cute dress but it's not the magician-y cloak you can see on her REAL sprite)
>>51024836this is nothing
What will happen past 9/9 and Nintendo involvement? the official anime?
>>51021932$1000 in dev kit$5000 in fees.And lets not even mention programming time.
>>51024970>dev kit why thoif something is programmed in an universal engine like unity for example, what's the point? just compile it on your pc
>>51024836I don't get the argument, especially since IFileAbstraction is practically the standard for TagLib# & the name space is literally just the naming format he started giving the .exes?God forbid another group attempt a decomp, anyway
>>51024956Mima comes back
>>51020747>>51020907>>51024794How badly would the fanbase react if Koakumu simply wasn't included in the game at all?
>>51025058I remember when morons argued about ORAS not being faithful remakes of RSE and then argued again when BDSP were nearly perfect remakes of DP. Morons will argue about anything and will destroy everything about the Touhou 6 remake if it doesn't have Koakuma in it.
EoSD main theme remaster:https://youtu.be/4HkQylAlii0
>>51022025A jj2kid, to be more precise
>>51023661>if nu-EoSD pops off like early 2010's Touhou again, that would also likely equate to newhus getting a boost.How does EoSD getting popular again equate to, say, UDoALG or FW getting a boost? Only the 1st Windows Gen are getting a boost in isolation to the rest, and they're already pretty popular as they are. Everything after it are literally irrelevant.I'm not doomposting, I sincerely wish some of the later characters like the mountain jews and the latest FWhus get much more love, but that's not going to happen at all.
>>51024258>all the characters sound like they're high talking in complete non-sequitursBut that's the best part
let's get a demake instead
>>51025335Looks accurate, nice.>koishi blue hairwat
>>51025335The music wouldn't sound good, even if ZUN made it. No one's been able to accurately recreate his PC98 style, to my knowledge. This is the only one I've found that sounds like it wouldn't be out of place.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnR6Z2pX1pM
>>51025062>DP>Not mentioning DPPnice.
>>51023622>I wrote that because I beat the game without shooting the orbAn inside joke? Well glad I fucked up honestly. I fear that most people don't get HRtP but make crappy clones.And every PC98 fan game ends up in development hell so I'm very skeptical of devs actually having passion for their shit and them just doing another PC98 fangame "for the memes" that will never see the light of the day.If you have passion go ahead but:>without regurgitating the newer games like PCB/TD shit.Really looked to me like that OLD GOOD NEW BAD mentality where people just talk about old stuff to shit on new stuff.I do hope you finish your project if you have passion or that you actually find your passion since making games seems to be hard as fuck seeing how many get into development hell. Not sure if there's even any decent 2hu fan game with a PC98 focus>>51025337I guess it's to imitate the color limit since blue is usually used for gray and a lot of people draw Koishi with gray hair instead of green.Yugi also has yellow eyes instead of red, probably to give more of a PC98 feel
The game icon was revealed on SteamDB
>>51025891Of course who else would it be
How will you react when sexy OL Koakuma is canon?
>>51023323>>51023330I don't really like McDonald's food, but their marketing team in Japan in excellent.Would never eat the food, but absolutely pay for the marketing.
>>51025891THOUNC
>>51025335>demakehttps://xcancel.com/i/status/2064590337579110663
>>51025335Cute Okuu
>>51023361For me, it's the medleys. The final boss medleys here and in Scarlet Curiosity are great. Anybody know of any others?
>>51025335but we are already getting one for EoSD xDD
>>51023361it untranslated the paper in remi's room and aya's workshop sign, shit game
So how far do you think this new circle will go with remastering the old games?Natural stopping point would be with IN completing the big first three Windows gamesPoFV - StB would be an interesting one completing all of Gen 1 (plus PoFV with some modernized multiplayer would be... quite something)I've seen people suggest going as far as Gen 2 (MoF - TD) though I think that's a stretch since they are available on Steam already and it'd be basically covering half the series at that point although I admit it would be cool solely for new ZUN arranges + seeing some classic fights in HD https://youtu.be/JKWfIgL1-ZM?t=125 even though I think they're good enough graphics wise to not warrant itAbsolutely no way Gen 3's getting remastered it's modern already!
>>51027646For the games that are already on Steam, they could just ask ZUN for permission to update the games to run on modern systems, have official localizations, and so on
>>51025452Hi, HRtP anon here.. again!>And every PC98 fan game ends up in development hell so I'm very skeptical of devs actually having passion for their shit and them just doing another PC98 fangame "for the memes" that will never see the light of the day.Reshrined is the only game afaik that is almost finished. I do agree that most of them are either shitposts or just cancelled. Which is wild because I thought that PC-98 games were a great start to make a fangame out of it, due to their simplistic nature.>Really looked to me like that OLD GOOD NEW BAD mentality where people just talk about old stuff to shit on new stuff.Yeah that wasn't meant to be /v/bait lol. That wasn't my intention.>I do hope you finish your project if you have passion or that you actually find your passion since making games seems to be hard as fuck seeing how many get into development hell. Not sure if there's even any decent 2hu fan game with a PC98 focusI could say the same to any 2hu game that it's not the most popular desu. I hardly see any new Touhou game based on the recent titles until Land of Oracular Zeitgeist, that game was refleshing to me since it's based on 19 and not regurgitating early windows stuff.Still, thank you! I hope I can finish it this year.
posting one slop , enjoy.
I am mildly amused about all the chatter. I feel like anything could happen now.I feel like anything could happen now. The icing on the cake would be if Kams started posting his psychedelic videos again after a ten-year hiatus.
>>51025891Shame they couldn't find the original
