I can feel his damage controlled seethe through the monitor

>>51101001
For how long has this been going? How much actual progress towards making playable ports was made? I always felt like he was sidetracking just to delay it as much as possible just to drain as much donations as possible.

I don't understand the issue he has. Why does he feel like he can't compete? He's always capped on his allowed donations. Isn't vibe coding counter to the project's goal (a perfectly recreatable exe of the original games) because it would just be an approximation?
>>51101041
At least 10 years. TH01 is fully reverse engineered. You can see progression percentage on the project's site.

>>51101041
Do not underestimate the difficulty of RE-ing five games that are for a 16-bit x86 MS-DOS platform that have chunks of shared code, built with an ancient compiler and now obscure supporting libraries, with no function symbols to speak of. Most of the decomp projects for newer games have muuuch easier foundations to start from.

>>51101001
Is not that the fag that asked for five gorillions of dollars for even starting to work on this shit?
Fuck this phoney faggot. The original games are already fully playable via emulation

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>y'all
glad you got fucked over
were people really giving this retard thousands to work on an useless novelty project
god it must be so easy to make money from secondaries

>>51101001
the chad robot claims another whiny artist victim

Everyone who is not creating for the love of creating will be destroyed and filtered out and that's a GOOD
thing

>>51101075
>>51101152
1 of 5 games over the span of years and the 2nd game was barely halfway done despite getting a ton of money. He’s pushing 40 and can’t decompile a game made by a teenager from the 90’s.

>>51101001
ZUN made a point not to lose to AI. If memory serves me right, though, the ReC98 guy does not like ZUN very much.

Call me a dick but I never understood the purpose of this project, haven't the original PC-98 games been playable for years? Did this add or change or anything? I feel like nothing of value of lost except for a yet another dejected tranny with a parasocial relationship with ZUN biting the dust.

>>51101912
every programmer knows that zun is a shit programmer

>>51101998
Native ports provide the option to modify the games easily when needed. In this instance, we could get PC-98 fangames or demakes based on Touhou 5's engine which would be a cool little thing.

>>51102027
He finishes his projects though, which makes him better than this fag.

>>51102027
Cool. So do plenty of other popular games. UT, Fallout New Vegas, and TF2 for example. But people don’t make accounts simply to mock and revile the people behind those unlike nmlcg. He’s got a whole account and constantly whines about it.

i forgot how retarded /jp/ posters are when it comes to technology or /g/ shit
so much nocoder luddite babble
>>51101102
this

>>51101001
First time I hear about this but he sounds like a massive fucking faggot so good riddance I guess.

>>51101998
I'm a programming dummy but I think decompilations are neat. They are the next best thing to software preservation when you don't have access to the original source code. To not only have the file but the means to recreate it adds further protection against something being lost to time. Sure, you can emulate. But emulation always loses out to the native performance and modifiability of a well-done source port, imo.
They're out of scope for Rec98 project itself but it would have laid down the foundation for source ports of the PC98 games. A custom engine built for the native platform able to interpret the game's original data and provide an interface for simpler means of modification. So users can tailor their choice for a purist experience, a purist+ experience (netplay with modern protocols, online scoreboards, untying game logic from FPS) a modded experience (bug fixes, asset swaps, script changes, input changes, custom resolutions, putting in multiplayer where it originally wasn't, easy mode features like seeing your hitbox, including an option to practice x stage or fight, etc.) or even a whole new game made within the engine. For an extreme example of the potential to be had, check out the community modding scene for classic Doom (I & II) and its numerous source ports.

Hah he blocked spaztron

>Hated ZUN for being lazy
>Took about a decade to decompile only one game after stealing a bunch of money through crowdfunding

>>51102421
Don’t forget how he tries to moralize about “muh pc98 stolen art and code” while also begging paypigs to donate him money so he can complete a decompilation. What’re we expecting from this deranged middle aged failure when he lionized opposite winner’s epic rant?

>>51101001
Does anyone know what he saw that made him give up? Which rival project did he see that sent him into an absolute state of defeat?

Is this the same project that spaztroon had a big sperg out over ZUN shutting it down? if so then I think ZUN was absolutely in the right given how people are sending thousands to play a game that already existed online for free for years

>>51102610
No, they're unrelated

>>51102429
Touhou community has been full of dejected brown autists who get really, REALLY deeply offended when god lord daddy king allah ZUN doesn't do what they personally agree with so things like this aren't that much of a big surprise. I also remember that Spaztron64 (45 year old man) was trying get into contact with some Japanese paper book so they can epicly sue ZUN for stealing from them. But he forgot that ZUN's use was too derivative for it to be really stealing and the whole point of doujin in the first place was so people can just steal whatever garbage they'd like to their heart's content. There are retards who want to hold industrial standards to doujin games because one drunk Japanese retard in particular pissed them off and also retards who say "ohh 2hu was never gud" and still stick to it (and mostly ZUN) like lifeblood.

>Stolen code
I believe the stolen art (obviously) but I have a hunch that Spaztron64 just took some code from some random PC-98 game, put ZUN's name on it and paraded it around as ZUN doing an epic plagiarism. It's probably incorrect but what leads me to think this is how the "stolen code" was conveniently found after they got fucked over by ZUN and I don't see him as the most neutral or reliable narrator.

>>51102039
>He finishes his projects though
UDoALG

>>51102640
Wait is he actually 45 years old? Unc is deranged.

>>51102839
Medications, that game was fine even if rough around the edges.
>>51102865
I believe so.

Kind of sad to see it end like this, but he is probably right that AI is well suited for these kind of tasks.
I'm feeling it at work too, the fear of becoming obsolete. It's not a nice feeling.

>>51102839
That one's intentional, it's called Unfinished after all.

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>>51102412
I was about to say "nah, he often thanks spaztron for his help in his blog posts" but I went to check just in case and lmao

>>51102610
People are paying for his god tier blog posts tbdesu

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Yep, he's definitely lost it.

The funniest part is how he kept bashing on ZUN, not because he's lazy, not because his code is shit, but because ZUN believes that the process is more important than the result, and as such doesn't care much about fixing his games unless the bugs are breaking.
And then this guy goes and complains about people having to make less effort than he did to obtain similar results. If he used LLMs himself he'd be able to guide them much better than anyone else and preserve the quality of the final result, but alas.

>>51103184
Which do you think, /jp/? Is this some sort of breakdown that's got him seeing ghosts or is it a flimsy excuse to bail because he's sick of working on this project?

>>51103207
Why not both?

>>51103207
I doubt it's the latter, he was making mad dosh from it and he seemed to enjoy it, from looking at the huge blog posts he often made narrating his progress.

>>51103097
The replacement fears are overblown, we'll likely see a transitional reshuffling of work where the human skills are about bringing a depth of knowledge and familiarity with the subject while the LLM does a lot of the grunt work relatively fast. AI scaling has largely plateaued. There's no more easy sources of language to learn off, synthetic data has to be curated (which poisons using anything in the 2020s), so companies have been refocusing models around lateral ways to see intelligence gains, which is why there's even more advanced careers about AI engineering now. These have seen diminishing returns (hence the obscene figures behind every frontier model), but for the actually coder there's going to be basically a huge sliding scale between "prompt giant frontier model with millions of dollars of tokens and hope for the best" and "in-house heavily customised AI system requiring their own dedicated guy who knows how it all slots together, possibly assembled by said guy" (I trained myself to do this shit at home for some private projects & believe me, this is something they'll have specialist postgrad pathways about all the ways you can do it).
You'll hear it repeated that an LLM is like a junior coder but it's wrong, an LLM is like a gifted mid career coder with dementia, brilliant when you give it the exact correct list of things to do, liable to go wildly off track the minute human oversight slips. Even that's inaccurate, cuz AI doesn't think like humans do, doesn't possess internality, and doesn't actually understand anything, no matter what anyone will say about reasoning models. And that's going to be hard to fix too, because to make the AI less prone to drift, hallucinations, or forgetfulness has required either huge amounts of compute to brute-force it (and nobody wants to do that for long, it's comically expensive) or... right back around to skilled careers with AI experts to assemble it all, and end-users who need to develop skills as an AI whisperer (because even the best AI-focused software is still prone to errors, and that's before you do anything complex with it).
A lot of the replacement talk is already suspicious (there's reason to believe execs are massaging post-pandemic firings under the aegis of 'ai is making their job obsolete' to sound better to investors). A guy with an LLM can make a ton of bad code in a very short period of time and have no realistic path to fixing it. That's not likely to go away any time from now onwards until there's a fundamental shift in how LLMs work.
Also AI companies and adopters have been comically awful at PR for their machine, because they were too eager to sell it as mass automation and should have been far more conservative about predictions, because now we're at the point where people whose jobs are likely to just retain and transform are afraid of mass unemployment & reacting rationally to threats against their jobs because of some speculative moonshot ultra-optimistic predictions about intelligence and ultra-pessimistic predictions on the labour market. Assume it's all rectally sourced until proven otherwise.

>>51103207
I think anyone that goes on a self destructive sequence and makes sure to do so very publicly instead of keeping that shit compartmentalized to venting to friends/peers and leaving the public's viewpoint access as as "I'm going through some shit, so the project is on hiatus." is just an attention seeking faggot or some brand of mentally ill.

>>51102640
>>51102865
>45 year old man
He must be rocking some Sakurai-level genes if this looks 45
https://x.com/spaztron64/status/2066157952193466491

this is the textbook reason why ZUN cracks down hard on crowdfunding btw

>>51103523
Doesn’t look bad in the slightest. Guess that anon was lying to us. He’s still parasocial and obsessive as fuck though.

>>51102078
>luddite
good morning sar

what is all this seething about spaztron? is it because he dosen't blindly suck ZUN's cock like everyone else here? he's done more for touhou than any of you, that's for sure.
>>51102640
>brown
he's serbian, whiter than you
>45
you are actually retarded. man is clearly in his mis 20s
>uh he actually faked the stolen code
can you prove that or are you just making shit up because you don't like the guy insulting your god?

>>51103523
>>51103535
I think I mistook him for someone who behaves similarly

>>51103625
>brown
Was speaking in general and not specifically about him
>45
Mistook him for someone else
>uh he actually faked the stolen code
Just a hunch

Disliking ZUN is one thing but what he does is whole other thing

>>51103625
No one is mad at Spaztron because he's critical of ZUN, we hate him because he's so ridiculous about it to the point of it bordering on being petty grudge.

He released an easy to run PC-98 DOSBox-X collection, sure, that's fine, but he made the one mistake that was easy to avoid: He included the fucking ROMs like a dumbass.

Anyone who works with emulators and ROM hacks will tell you including ROMs or copyrighted materials with your project is the easiest way for a company to gape you five ways to hell, and that's exactly what happened here and instead of reacting normally he forms this stupid grudge that no one takes seriously.

>>51103625
I think the stolen code is real and do not give a fuck, nigga we are all swashbuckling freebooters here.

>>51103625
>he's done more for touhou than any of you, that's for sure.
Like his one failed project that wouldn't have changed much?

>>51103673
Yeah honestly it was pretty fucked ZUN allegedly stole code but it was over 20 years ago, it's in the past.

We've all done dumb shit when we were younger. John Carmack tried to steal a computer when he was a kid.

>>51103535
Eh, not quite. I assume ZUN is worried about people running off with money without delivering a product. To be fair to nmlgc, he's not a thief. He's always been upfront about payments being put towards particular sections of the code and he publishes the work people have paid for. It's all still available; he's just decided to not take further orders.
I guess you could say it's wrong if his contributors only contributed because they assumed he was going to finish all 5 games 100% (which is likely the initial expectation someone would have). But it's a massive project and he's only one man. There's always risk in investing in a project with a single point of failure like that.

>>51103689
Yes, he is offering a product. But that product is something that already exists for pretty much free.

>>51103687
I don’t think it’s fucked, also don’t downplay it, it was 30 years ago. Anyways I pirate games all the time and I’m fine with devs using stuff especially amateur devs like Zun back in college. Deranged dejected fools like nmlgc will pretend to care about it like he hasn’t earned thousands of dollars by taking shit from other games on his own. Hope his future has nothing but more failure in store.

>>51103700
>Hope his future has nothing but more failure in store.
I can't help but find the amount of vitriol towards this guy funny, he's just a fat middle-aged cuck who writes wordswordswords because deep in his heart he wants to be dicked down by the funny beer man like Hisami to Zanmu.

>>51103665
I thought it was really gay when the DMCA shit happened, but I think Spaztron deserved it for those exact reasons.

>>51103665
The entire point of the project was for it to be a plug-n-play deal. He mentioned several times back before it was taken down that the only reason it was even made is because people wouldn't stop asking him how to run the games. Also, there was no precedent yet for Ruw going after western redistributions of any 2hu games. The Moriya and PC98 Collection takedowns were the first ones of their kind and were only a week apart.

>>51103715
I thought that shit RUW did was really dumb, I don't even think ZUN or anyone was aware of it.

>>51103693
I assume you mean the games themselves. His product is a more human readable version of the code; not the game. You can use the code to assemble the games that are floating around for free on the internet but the code can also potentially be used for more.
Unless you know another source for a human-readable source code to TH1-5, it's not a product that already exists.

>>51103718
Why ask for people for so much money for it then, he's just sitting on his ass clacking away at a keyboard.

>>51103717
I mean, in fairness Japanese law is very cutthroat but still.
That's my number one issue with ZUN, he's not a bad guy himself but he has a tendency to put himself around the worst faggots known to man and it fucks him over.

>>51103717
Like it or not Zun was probably aware of it. He hires Ruw to uphold his IP. And for the record, Ruw isn’t just there for dmca’ing shit. He’s also hired for brand deals, collabs, meetings, and communication as well. Zun isn’t innocent just because Ruw is a little bastard.

>>51103715

Doesn't make including the ROMs any dumber. Like yeah the games are effectively abandonware but you know how companies are. Risking it is asking for a DCMA.

He could have easily made it so the package has a folder that says "PUT ROMS HERE" and told people to go supply the roms themselves, "google is your friend" so on so forth.

Setting up a PC98 emulator to work is the hard part, and the package still has purpose by taking care of that part for the end user.

>>51103725
Maybe, I don't think it's that black and white.

>>51103727
>Touhou fans are retarded
And the sky is blue.

>>51103727
You clearly have no understanding of how computer games work. For starters, they're not ROMs, hard disk images are writable in nature. Second, various distributions of the games use different versions of DOS, different TSRs and AUTOEXEC.BAT/CONFIG.SYS setups. The emus were set up for a highly specific configuration using DOS 7.0 that minimized memory usage and TSR bloat, so even a single deviation from this would completely break things. Finally, the second release came with various ReC98-based patches that fixed game breaking crashes and various other bugs. None of the generic disk images circulating online have this.

>>51103721
Because he had the knowledge to do it, had people willing to pay it, and no one else willing to do it for less.
I'm not saying I like it, but that's just how things ended up. >>51101102 summarized the challenge pretty well. Shit's hard. That's why I find his whole stink over vibe coders to be hard to take at face value. This project requires very niche knowledge and is aiming for a very specific result.

>>51103732
I used the term "roms" generically in the context of a project like this because typically you leave it to the user to provide the roms/files/gamedata/whatever you need.

Point still stands, since these are computer games, the user could have provided the install disks or any kind of game files. He could have provided any solution to cover his ass legally, but he chose not to.

>>51103184
The "uhhh the LLMs! uhhh the vibe coders!" cry is just a thinly veiled excuse for stopping the work.
He already got enough money to live a comfortable life from naive suckers and obviously his 'tism is too weak and focused on wrong things for him to actually finish what he promised. Obviously he will use any convenient reasoning to stop working on what he promised while still keeping the cash.
It's exactly what I expected when he started this circus...

>>51103687
Keep in mind that we talk about what then was a tiny doujin release. Things are more lenient and much less formal in this kind of environment and these games were made with the idea of less than 1000 copies floating around.

>>51103288
As someone who's been cautiously using LLMs to help with coding during the last couple years, I agree with all of this.

>>51103665
>he made the one mistake that was easy to avoid: He included the fucking ROMs like a dumbass
Every collection includes the ROMs, anon, that's the point of it.
His dumb mistake was hosting them on fucking github instead of mega and/or a torrent.

>>51103732
>the second release came with various ReC98-based patches
There was no second release of the ultimate collection, are you talking about the touhou98 experience pack or the "Touhou Retro Era Super Pack" from moriyashrine?

>>51103810
The problem with doing that for the ultimate collection is that its main value came from having, in the hard disk image file, a launcher which let you pick what game you wanted to play, without the usual switching between single-game hard disks in the emulator. It had a single hard disk with all the games inside, and releasing the pack with just the launcher without the games would have required people to extract the game files from each of the HDI files you can download around, and copy them to the pack's hard drive (using DiskExplorer, which is a bit delicate).
All in all, this would have been more cumbersome than the usual methods to run the games at the time, and would have removed the "download and play" advantage which was the whole point of the pack.

>>51104051
There was an update in February 2022 that fixed some issues. The first release was in November 2021.

>>51104117
I see, nevermind then.

>>51103625
>he's serbian, whiter than you
>Slavs
>white
Pick one Mikhail

>>51101001
Literally who?
Literally what?
Who the fuck gives a shit?

>>51104154
>Literally who?
Some autist
>Literally what?
https://rec98.nmlgc.net/faq
>Who the fuck gives a shit?
Everyone who posted in this thread so far.

>>51103625
Look the pity well for your dmca has run dry at this point.

Holy obsessironi, more than half of this thread is about a completely different person than the one in the OP. Genuinely rent free.

>>51103722
The whole point of Ruw is to act as the bad guy so ZUN doesn't have to.

>>51104051
>without the usual switching between single-game hard disks in the emulator.
NTA but was this really a problem that needed to be solved? It takes like 3 seconds to switch images in the emulator. iirc there's also a launcher for the Windows games, which I also find pretty unnecessary.

>>51104533
Some people are just that lazy, yeah.

>>51104475
Why does ZUN need an enforcer in the first place? You don't see Ryukishi pulling this kind of shit

>>51104551
His legal guy probably just isn’t as loud noticeable or obnoxious as Ruw.

>>51104551
Unironically to protect the IP from vultures and squatters. Just like how a few years ago you had some yahoo come along and try to copyright yukkuri (or was it just the voice?) and ZUN had to step in.

If I recall spaz and some of the others tried leaking nda shit about the th6 remake the day of its announcement to stir controversy.

>>51104842
That was a whole game of telephone where he ended up way down the chain. Only reason he said anything is because he made some predictions about it being based on the 2023 decomp, and people with access to pre-release binaries, specifically brliron, publicly shared evidence that supported said claims in violation of NDAs he signed, which was spread around by some guy naming himself Maribel Hearn (how original). That's how he found out.

>>51104842
Not his fault other people said shit they shouldn't have to him and didn't inform him about their NDAs until afterwards

>>51101041
>he was sidetracking
If anyone was sidetracking, it was the backer who threw tons of money into an autistically perfect modern Windows and even native Linux port of the first Seihou, and all the blog posts to describe every little step along the way:
https://github.com/nmlgc/ssg/releases/
https://rec98.nmlgc.net/blog/tag/seihou

There's your playable port. We probably could have had two more games fully decompiled by now, but got this instead. Can't blame the guy for delivering exactly what people ordered.

>>51105135
I'm inclined to say that backer made the smart choice. Touhou's the bigger series so it's more likely someone else will support it in the future. But there's no telling when another opportunity like that would roll by for Seihou.

nmlgc and spazkid is based af, i don't care what /jp/sies manchildren that doesn't contribute to FOSS and software development has to say.

>>51105275
kill yourself ESL

>>51105275
Do you still consider both of them "based af" after the former went insane and blocked the latter for no reason?

>>51105293
absolutely, just like Kent Overstreet, Terry A. Davis, Ian Murdock, Hans Reiser, etc

>>51105275
I transhate contributions doe

>>51104156
>who posted in this thread durr
Lmao no, you wish. Turbo autist

>>51106164
The irony.

>>51105118
Definitely sounds irresponsible on their end then.

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>>51101001
kekekekeeek ANOTHER VIBEGOD VICTORY
bosnia won once again

>>51101001
What's with all the anti AI sperging? It can be a useful tool that can makes our lives easier.

>>51107995
>>What's with all the anti AI sperging? It can be a useful tool that can makes our lives easier.
India's got the edge for this—our devs are wizards (shoutout to the IIT brains building the world's next AI overlords), our software hackers jury-rig miracles from scrap, and we've got 1.4 billion developers ready to swarm ReC98 GitHub repository like Diwali fireworks. Useful? Hell yeah, just like how we grew from colonial chains to become the fastest-growing major economy on the planet. Geniuses coding at breakneck pace, haggle with virtual rickshaw wallahs for upgrades, and blast legendary bhangra remixes synced to PC-98 chiptuning.