what killed touhou?
>>51186121me
VTubers copying ZUN's formula
>>51186121Touhou has always been fuckin lame. I understand if youre a pedo and js wanna jerk off to the loli n thats why you like it, but if you dont theres nothing here its lame undertale shit.
>>51186127why, anon, why?
>>51186121Fumos and tiktok
It was Alice's fault
Nothing did, you just changed
In some ways Zun did. His schizophrenic approach to print works, and the fact that the community largely rejected newhus (almost all after 15). Pair that with the extreme creative outflow and you get the current state of the fandom.
>>51186201I liked some of the newhus...
>>51186121It was me. I did it.
kuso thread
>>51186205So did I to be honest, but let's be real with ourselves most of them didn't have much staying power. The only ones that did manage to have some, were those that attached to already popular characters (Aunn, Tsukasa... )Oh, well you can always just make some drawings or whatever yourself
>>51186129the fuck is an undertale
>>51186121>what killed touhou?can you show me the body?and can you prove that it isn't just reclining?
i didi killed the touhou project opi'm the one who did it
>>51186121ZUN marrying, making two kids and being finally forced to actually give a fuck about money while having absolutely no time for actually put care into Touhou between being a husband and drinking with Beatmario.On top of that a lot of other franchises figured out the "just make a lot of pretty anime girls" formula and as much as we may hate it - a mobile gacha game and anime are much more accessible formats than shitty shoot'em ups and lore spread between dozens of books, manga publications, music CDs etc released in tiny amounts on doujin conventions.
its retarded nostalgia whore fans>>51186870nothing to do with it desu
games are still the way they always were desu with the only bad one being 19, the belief "LE REASON TOUHOU IS LE DYING IS BECAUSE HE LOST HIS TRUECEL CARD TO AN EVIL FOID AND NOW HE HAS TO CARE ABOUT LE MONEEZ!!!" is retarded because touhou has always been the thing he made on the side from the very start. he was a student in the pc98 era, worked at taito in the windows era and so on. honestly ask yourself whats changed outside of your nostalgia towards the good old days. the thing thats really killing the community is the obsession and over reliance on ZUN. think about the things that engages people to the series in the first place, how much of that can be attributed to zun and zun alone? this goes into the crux of my argument that the average Touhou fan are creatively bankrupt autists who would rather obsess over zun and slapfight over shit nobody cares about all day instead of replicating the passion that made the series great to begin with.tldr touhou fans became the otaku version of shartytroons
>>51186201The newhus are popular among troons in the Western fandom, while Japanese dont give a shit.
>>51186934do you want to save the Touhou series? then start creating things and if you cant create then send support to that doujin artist you like. the soul of the series is built on the spirit of creation and without it its nothing. some people want to sit around and bitch and moan until daddy zun swoops in and saves them so you have to ask you're self. are you that guy or are you someone who truly cares about the greatness of the series?
>>51186121Touhou just had some fractures with 17.5, 19, and 20. The games were not bad, but there were issues with them. 17.5 was a COVID-19 era game. 19 was apparently inferior to 9, and 20 used AI. Outside of the games, Forbidden Scrollery and Wild and Horned Hermit had endings that pissed people off. I also recall that Hopeless Masquerade and ULiL were apparently a mess.
>>51186955retard
>>51186973I made an effort at the very least, even got some dubs out of it.
>>5118695519 needing as many patches as it got to get to the point it should have been at launch, and everything railroading into jerking off Zanmu left a really bad taste in people's mouth. 20 was kind of funny to watch unfold in real time last year though. The AI drama got dragged out something fierce and clearly had several bad actors making the rounds for every thread they could find with the sole purpose of shitting things up, but when people sat down with the game to play it, those that did were mostly pretty satisfied with what they got.
>>51187010One thing I just remembered about 20 was when the game was not translated properly yet, people were saying that every character except Toyohime was AI, so after the ending they would seize to exist.
>>51186121Touhou 20 Fossilized Wonders
>>51186201i agree. 15 was the last game that feels real. more recent newhus feel like they were generated by ai. i got run over by a track and died in 2017 and this is purgatory.
>>51186121This website.
>>51186121how do you kill a single player schmup?
>>51186121ZUN has always been a hack that either hits or misses with his games and that never changed.But Touhou's reach and popularity has certainly waned. I blame the cultural shift from casual otaku being into whatever is the trendy and dominant doujin stuff (i.e. Touhou), into being gachaniggers and chuubafags.People say the last Touhou game whose characters left a big impact in the otaku zeitgeist was TH15 (LoLK), and it came out in 2015. Coincidentally, it was around the mid 2010s that the really big budget gacha started coming out. And a few years later, chuuba cancer also started popping up.Touhou still has a lot of oldfags and the legacy remains, but its audience is mostly oldheads. Your typical young otaku kid these days will be more likely to get into some gacha or be watching some e-whore with an anime avatar.
>>51188829>but its audience is mostly oldheads. Your typical young otaku kid these days will be more likely to get into some gacha or be watching some e-whore with an anime avatar.Wasn't there something (in Japan at least) about how Touhou is popular with the kids ?
>>51186121A good franchise should know when to have an ending, obsessive fans can't wrap their heads around this. It's like mmorpgfags wanting their forever game and eventually hating their own franchise because they demand more content and then end up getting that content, but it doesn't integrate well with pre-existing content.
>>51186121Zoomers unironically
>>51186121Writefags started going extinct
"Homestar Runner, did you kill Touhou?""I sure did."
>>51187010>and everything railroading into jerking off Zanmu left a really bad taste in people's mouthShe's a tremendous step down from Eiki. The only interesting character stuff in the game is in the stories she's absent from. There's a joke here somewhere about the next game having fucking Toyohime.
>>51189020>fucking ToyohimeUnfortunately no, if it did have fucking Toyohime it would've been the greatest Touhou game ever. It only has Toyohime without the fucking
>>51188953They like Roblox kidslop shitposters using Touhou avatars. Not Touhou by itself.
character designs were starting to feel dull since 2015. I barely see any fan art based on the new characters
>>51189062That's because eveyone fellates early windows which in turn makes everyone fellate early windows back in what feels like an incestuous fanwork ouroboros but truth be told ZUN didn't make shitters like Momoyo or Zanmu any favors with their portrayals in the games.
>>51186121My dick. No 2hu was able to resist the girth and length so they dieded. Sorry for that.
>>51188953IIRC a huge chunk of Reitaisai attendees are kids brought by their parents.
Talking about 2hu being kill, what if we don't come back after the maintenance break? It might actually be over ;_;
>>51189020It honestly is amazing how quickly she managed to out-insufferable all the other cunts, as well as ZUN's insistence on immediately pushing her even harder by having her convince Reimu to write the omikuji in Whispered Oracle after almost certainly instigating the whole situation (while blaming Chimata over it) and also being the one to most strongly realize Ariya's importance when most others are more concerned with Yuiman.At least someone like Kanako gets to lose sometimes and get mocked for it or otherwise struggle despite being a generally capable schemer, and Fossilized Wonders added to her character by giving her a connection with Yuiman and an explanation as to why she's good at handling autists like Sanae, but Zanmu just gets smugger and more obnoxious with each appearance.And the worst part is that Hell could actually be interesting to see, especially with the heavy conflicts going on there that were mentioned in WaHH and WBaWC.
is touhou even dead?
>>51189983 Pretty sure OP was being hyperbolic, but it is true that Touhou is hardly what it used to be at its peak.
IOSYS being dead is what killed touhou.Look at what's happening with Vocaloid right now, people need quirky tiktokable music videos to give a shit about something. Also, the touhou gachas are also not good enough either.
>>51188829>Your typical young otaku kid these days will be more likely to get into some gachaLike the Touhou gatcha?
>>51186201>LOLK killed the franchiselol, k.
Ok, but Okina is one of the good newhus, right?
>>51190503Right. I would say 16 is still good and has a 2hu spirit.
>>51189527art style and character designs got significantly more derpy after UFO and TD, touhou tries to be dark fantasy and mysterious and ZUN art was just barely passable for this goal. fan artists did a lot of heavy lifting to begin with. at some point you gotta treat slop like slop and move on
>>51186934>>51186947What made Touhou so infamous in the first place was always been it's fancontent with the bonus affect of making money out of it as long as it's made in low budget. If it ever end, it's legacy will live on thanks to fans and enjoyers, by continuing what's left of or going all the way back in HRtP.
I regret to inform you guys but 2hu is old and so are you. Even invincible media behemoths like Star Wars are dead now. When's the last time you heard from the Gilligan's Island fandom?
>>51190717so? every longrunning franchise has it fans who hold a cutoff point>simpsons>final fantasy>metal gear>touhou>gundam>adult swim shows>james bond>star wars>family guy>happy days>the matrixalso LOL at >Star Wars is deadI 100% assure you people will still talk about lucas starwars and uc gundam centuries from now
>>51190762That cutoff is getting further away. And th is much smaller than those, the remaining obsessives are a much smaller crowd. Much like 4chan, almost all media becomes a retirement home for people who never let it go, there's no kids playing cirnos perfect math class on repeat.
>>51190794>there's no kids playing cirnos perfect math class on repeatZUN talked about seeing schoolchildren draw Flandre pretty recently.
