Discussion concerning Higurashi, Umineko, Rose Guns Days, Higanbana, TRianThology, and all other 07th Expansion works.► 07th Expansion links: https://rentry.co/07th-expPrevious thread: >>51238237
the genius of ryukishi sama
Is this kid supposed to be autistic?
satok needs likes and retweets to put food on the table
>>51280886Ryukishi was a social worker, so maybe he got the inspiration for Maria from something that he saw during his experience; if that is the case that kid was probably traumatized or just dumb.
Guess what just came in the mail y'all
using AI to restore some official arthttps://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=5360400&
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>>51282281removing the SAMPLEs on these is definitely one of the best use cases, since there seems to be no rush to release them without it after all
>>51282281>>51282291Too bad AI models nowadays are so cucked that barely NSFW images get triggered.
>>51282334Fixed the eyes.
>>51282408Fixed the fingers.Maybe AI isn't up to the task.
>>51282454
>>51282520The ones I was not able to.Literally the best ones.
Finished episode 7. It was bad for the most part, but still entertaining. Why is Lion insecure about "his" gender? Ryukishi-sama, why?I feel it's all but said that Shanon and Kanon are the same person and they are both Lion. If that's true, it will be the worst reveal ever. Hopefully it's red herring or I just misinterpreted everything.
>>51282800>>51282800 #Episode 8 doesn't tell anymore details about the mystery, so unless you want to read the manga and get the answers for yourself, you can read this post without spoiling yourself about the game.Yeah, you are right. Shannon and Kanon are the same person. Shannon was the baby that Natsuhi threw from the cliff, xhe got major damage to her lower belly, making it so xhe was unable to have children. Xhe was also unable to grow breasts and have periods, which made her really insecure, especially because of Battler's preference for girls. Xhe created Kanon to deal with her insecurity and lonilness and used paddings as fake breasts. Genji, Kuwasama and Nanjo helped her in the ruse because they felt guilty about what happened to her. When xhe found out the truth and that Battler would return to the family, xhe went crazy and decided to kill the whole family. Lion is insecure about his gender because, just like Shannon, xhe doesn't have secondary sexual characteristcs, to the point in which their genders are open to interpretation. It's a pretty popular theory that Shannon isn't a woman without ovaries, but actually a man without genitalia.
>>51283193>Episode 8 doesn't tell anymore details about the mysteryThat's a little strange. Like, yeah sure they gave me all the keys and I got the gist of it, but to tell me to go back to each episode to make the details by myself is a very bad way to end it. They could squeeze it in the after chapter section at least.
>>51284671NTA, but I felt the same way when I read it. I get what Ryukishi was going for, but if you are going to go as far as Episode 7 already did, you might as well go all the way.
>>51284682The theme of Umineko is making your own truth, if ryukishi just spelt it out, it would kinda defeat the point of the game, and he wouldn't be able to sell manga to the people that didn't get what episode 7 was trying to tell.
>>51284710So why make strong implications towards one specific truth in Episode 7? I'd be on board with both your response and your interpretation of Ryukishi's writing if he cut the scene with Claire and Will.
>>51284727Going to samefag to say that Episode 7 is easily the worst Episode of Umineko. I liked every episode except 6 and 7, with 6 being marginally better then 7 due to Erika.
>>51284727Although its a pretty different story, with all the meta elements and whatnot, Umineko is still a mystery. I ain't a big fan of the genre, but I don't think there is a single classic out there that doesn't at least indicate who is the culprit; because it becomes a incomplete story or a different genre altogether. Even if the main focus of Umineko is not who or how, but the characters and their heart; you can't just skip this part of the narrative, otherwise the player would not get Beatrice's heart. Even with the strong implications, there is still a big space for interpretation, especially because the identity of the culprit doesn't explain what happened in Rokkenjima; there is still so much space for interpretation that people created alternative solutions, like Rosatrice.
Umineko (loli) brides>>51284727>>51284710Based on interviews from the time, R07's idea is that he gave enough clues people who were on the right track had their answer confirmed and the ones who didn't just weren't trying hard enough and revealing the truth would steal the sense of achievement from the ones that reached it.He was obviously wrong though, likely because the truth was so convoluted it was basically magical itself.
>>51284798One of the merch items is a marriage certificate for each character allow you to put in your name as their husband.
>>51284798>>51284799i have zero complaints on their choices, but it is really funny that they completely skipped jessica, ange or any of the hags for this selectionwith that and beato actually having tits it'd probably give the other side of the fandom conniptions if they saw this kek
>>51284799What sort of bride brings her stuffed toy to her wedding?If it was the higurashi characters instead some people wouldn't have shut up about it.
>>51284799I feel like Bern would be a withering wife.
beato paizuri
Damn witches blew up the servers!
Leaked screenshot of Takano in the new Higurashi anime. Ryukishi taking some liberties again to keep things fresh.
Did anyone notice a bug in the OG RGD Last season (Ep 1-4) release? It works on Win ONScripter but has a bug where save would produce a thumb only after trying a second time.
>>51288255yeah
what songs would Shion listen to today
>>51289336>Satoshi's breathing during sleep ASMR [12 HOUR VERSION]
So even the Japanese fans know about this guy, huh.
>>51284798I know she's supposed to be bending over but it looks like Erika is shorter than Maria here.
>>51289738I have no idea who that's supposed to be.
>>51291789me
>page 9Don't die
>>>/vg/582863870/vn/ is fucking insane
>>51295738>gay sex lole!/vg/umblr is so easily amused.
no wonder they like vns
umineko is such fucking dogshit man
>>51300558Agreed
>>51300558Gotta agree with that.
I can't be the only one who likes these videos, right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVZjW_Yngi8
>>51302693Gayr...
>>51303773I mean, it's just that one video, no? It's kind of crazy this meme is still relevant in Japan all these years later.
>>51304849It's a series, this is the 3rd and best one. The 4th one was uploaded to youtube last year.
He's gay, Houjou Teppei?
>>51305808Don't misgender her, thank you.
>>51303773@grok turn this into a JAV, canonically accurate ages, masterpiece
>>51306581the joke wouldnt work otherwise
>>51300558I have my own little theory why Umineko is the mess it is. Ready to hear it?
Ciconia news?
crazy to think that we still don't have umineko JAV.
>>51309026my theory is it's because ryushitty rewrote it multiple times starting with the Land debacle, completely downgrading it every time as he had to put together the plot more hastily and messing up the carefully pre-laid hinting system the story absolutely needed to achieve the sort of inherent solvability he wanted it to have. and also he might have changed the solution but I don't think he changed it completely like say the Rosatrice theory says; most likely the culprit was always kanon/shannon in some form and the details just changed, probably again because he bungled the hints and foreshadowing so he ended up throwing out whatever detailed plan there was and resorted to a flattened-out bullshit version where shannon just whines and cries at you in the manga so you accept it because your feefees and ignore the lolgic holes because it said to do sowhat's your theory?
crazy to think that we still don't have ciconia JAV.
>>51310009My theory:As is well-known, ryukishi07 lost his editor-lover to death during the years when he wrote Umineko, and he simply couldn't bring himself to complete to lean perfection what they started together. Rather, he left it in a raw state to express that he was missing the editor, so to speak. Without love it can't be seen and all.
>>51310009 We do know at least one change even if not directly related to the culprit, which was about Natsuhi having an affair with Gohda. I'd guess in general he wanted to make all the Ushiromiya extremely flawed so to justify how the tragedy was unavoidable (something actually brought up in the story and even reinforced by the manga, but that never actually gets properly developed), but then dropped that after losing someone close to him. I'd guess Shannon/Kanon themselves likely got softened up in the same way. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire idea of them not being the culprits in the real world was a late change with him worrying about making Yasu/Beatrice likeable.
At the end of the day, Mion is just Rena's toy.
>>51310582So true!
>>51310159Umineko is like War and Peace: way too long, tries to tell two different stories at once, and towards the end it stops having much to do with the story at all and becomes more about the author jerking themselves off about how much wiser they are than everyone.
>>51310582Mion can bully Rena too
i want you guys to know that id rape ange if i could
>>51311858you cant even rape you're own hand
<3
>>51310159>>51310533yeah losing bt really did him in too, even without ghostwriter theories or even claiming bt wrangling him was the only thing keeping him in check>>51311221that too lol
Repopulating the Ushiromiya family with piglets!
Mion just can't win against Rena in any way. K1 even prefers Rena's smaller breasts
>>51284798Didn't he also have an entirely different opinion about mystery in Higurashi? Where he found that not revealing the truth was a sad thing?
>>51300558I just find it hard to care about the mystery, the conflict or its characters, I really don't know why I should care about any of these people?Maybe this is conflict in morals, I just lose interest in people once they turn abusive or cruel, no matter what their reasoning might be. I do get that it is important to understand, but in fiction I don't find that too interesting.Maybe I'm shallow and childish, but I could never give an ounce of a fuck for someone like Rosa. Child abuse I find inexusable no matter what your background is, I think it's pathethic when the abused turn out abusers themselves and I lose all sympathy.Also the constant theatrical cruelty, the constant over the top deaths, the constant annoying witches laughing and talking about the retarded uncreative magic system, it's just not fun but incredibly obnoxious to me.But hey, episode 1 was great.
>>51313436>I just lose interest in people once they turn abusive or cruel, no matter what their reasoning might be.I wonder if that's also how you feel about higurashi characters since they also do some cruel stuff
>>51313460Maybe? Depends which characters you meanThe main characters never participate in long, on-going abuse of a specific person, most violence they carry out is symptom of mental instability and paranoia, they don't parcipicate in long on going abuse of inviduals. It is often seen as moral failing, specific moment.Shion is of course far harder to defend there lol, but the main cast of Keiichi, Rena, Satoko, Rika and Mion, are far more easy to symphatize with. None of them are abusers. They commit crimes and acts of violence under desperation, not knowing any other way out. Mion never is even affected by THE VIRUS, albeit we shouldn't use the virus to strip these people off respponsibility, and see it more of an allegory of paranoia and mistrust.A character like Takano, is far too gone in my eyes and I do not think she deserves forgiveness.The only character who is an outright abuser is Teppei, whom is not attempted to be cast in any positive or sympathetic light at all. Ryukishi almost acts like this was a mistake and felt the need to course correct with future Teppei iteration, which are all horrible, sometimes abusers are indeed just horrible people, sometimes people do not deserve forgiveness, nor understanding.
>>51313475Keiichi targeting little girls just to relieve his stress is unforgivable for me
>>51284798Some of these explanations were truly retarded. Genji had to act like an actual robot to do what he did. That Shannon suicide where the rifle just conveniently disappears behind the heater because... strings? was also stupid.
>>51313579>Umineko for most of its run time;>MUHAHAHA BATTLAAAH THAT EXPLAINATION IS RETARDED, YOU ARE A RETARDED, SO SO STUPID.>The actual explaination sounds like some kind of autism Battler would make up.Horrible
>>51312598GIWTWM
>>51313663I’m questioning the integrity of the person who finds this somewhat appealing
>>51313765i appreciate the smugness
>>51313765I want to be crushed by fat Rena thighs. Simple
>>51313430He kind of goes both ways. He mentions that it's a sad thing to be left without answers, but also said he didn't actually want to give answers and until the end considered moving on to the final phase of the story without revealing everything, since it left space for the readers to reach their own conclusions, and giving answer would kill that, but decided against it since there were too many series at that time that left things open, without clear explanations.
>>51313663Man, I like his sprites, but these are -too- exaggerated.
>>51314107It's sloppa, he didn't make Rena this big. Pic related is the biggest he got and I think it fits
>>51314136Also picSubtle definition but it's there
>>51314139i'm still mad he never finished these, they'd unironically be better than several of the official spritesetsalso because i also wanted to see his take on umi characters afterwards
>>51314136K1 would have commented on Rena's abs.
>>51314136Slopkino > TheGoldenRedditor
>>51311789Someone should steal the character of Yasu and put her into a non-troon visual novel
>>51314342How did she mindbreak Mion but not Rika?
This episode, and especially this quiz section, are boring as hell, but this one made me laugh lol.
>>51314516Umineko loves to remind you of a much better story since chapter 1.
Am I the only one who remembers that period when Umineko was largely seen as the better work compared to Higurashi? Like, Umineko being the ACTUAL LITERARY WORK WORTH PRAISING while Higurashi was seen as a fun little thing but mostly tainted by amateurish early writing, wish fullfilment and otaku elements
>>51314875>Umineko being the ACTUAL LITERARY WORK WORTH PRAISINGLMAOOOOOOOOOMost of these retards went away after they read their second VN
>>51314875It is. This place is just full of people who hate it.
>>51314875/jp/ was the only place where this ever happened because Anonymous are contrarians.Outside here Umineko is just that one flopped novel from the Higurashi guy.
>>51314908Not really. It's mostly the audience it gained on tumblr etc. that originated the PEAK FICTION memes about Umineko, not 4chan.
Umineko is literally peak fiction though? Name one other work that explores queer ideology and the actual struggle trans people go through on a daily basis as Impactfully as Umineko does.
>>51314875in case you can't tell from the post above, some anons just love saying the most retarded contrarian shit in an attempt to make people mad
>>51314919What's the peak fiction meme and what's its first attested usage?
>>51314875Most people who endlessly made Umineko theories here seemingly left due to the Higurashi spam during Gou/Sotsu's airing. Umineko still seems to be more popular among Western VN readers somehow, but Higurashi is more popular overall both in the West and Japan.
>>51315000Nothing ironic here. This did happen in my circles and I was quite pleasantly surprised to see another consensus develop (that Umineko sucks dick)
>>51313436I'd say it's no so much your tastes are wrong as it is Umineko fails to properly support its own theses or actually develop the characters it attempts to portray as "complex". much of the time it simply displays eg. rosa beating the shit out of maria then has some sappy boo-hoo scene to make you FEEL like Rosa is deserving of sympathy. the absolute nadir of this comes in the manga where the reveal of shannon's motive is 99% her boo-hooing over not having a vagina or whatever and woe is me george ate the letter from battler, better troon out. It's nowhere near enough to excuse the sociopathy she expressed in her stories, which ryukishi bizarrely waffles about, portraying it as just writing but at the same time she totally actually meant it because she's just so abloobloobloo.>>51313475>The main characters never participate in long, on-going abuse of a specific personnot until satoko on rika in shitsugou at least lmao>>51313579It's occurred to me recently that the string thing actually violates the Knox rule about introducing a new wacky device in the solution. Yes it's a very simple device, but it's still something mechanically unrelated to anything in the work prior (and no referencing And Then There Were None doesn't count). And it's not even necessary, the group had guns to defend themselves against the culprit in the first place there right? Shannon dropping her gun on death wouldn't have looked out of place at all. And the audience was fine with guessing she just bashed her head against the stake to death like Rika with the knife in that one scene in the anime. The method of death doesn't fucking matter, no one cares about it.>>51313652i think half the rage in that goat scene in the last episode was that the audience theories were better than anything ryukishi could ever come up with lmao
After BT died Ryukishi can't write for shitHence last two episodes (disasters) of Umineko
>it simply displays eg. rosa beating the shit out of maria then has some sappy boo-hoo scene to make you FEEL like Rosa is deserving of sympathy. This seems to work on a lot of people for someone reason. I have no clue how, if anything it makes Rosa even more repulsive in my eyes. She knows she's hurting Maria, actively. But she's too weak and pathetic, I read sme opinions which called her a "very resilient strong woman", she isn't. The scene where they try to make her seem cool with the gun is lame as fuck too.Quick little note, It's funny people talk about how Umineko isn't "held back" by "otaku tropes" like Higurashi. But it has all these poorly written, horrible action scenes, which I can't imagine anyone genuinely enjoying. I get they're supposed to play into detective work and you're supposed to interpret them a certain way, but it's also obvious Ryukishi wanted these to be exciting. They're dull and unimaginative. Anyway, back to Rosa. The story also seems to try to balance this in other ways like giving Rosa arguably the most torture and gore at her expense. As if that would ever make me feel wrong in hating her.>not until satoko on rika in shitsugou at least lmaoI really don't want to consider it Canon, it's all the worst aspects of Umineko amplified to absurd degrees.It made me detest the idea of any future entries in the future and made me hate Umineko in retrospect even more.
>>51315388The string device could work (kind of) if it had some hints, but as far as I remember there are none. Just dead bodies and bullet wounds.
>>51315442>This seems to work on a lot of people for someone reason.It's because she is a woman and kinda cute People feel that women can't take responsibility for shit; that is why you see defenders of Lindsay Clancy, a rich woman that had all the emotional support that could get and still strangled her children to death, or that woman in death row that beat her friend with a rock because of jealousy and to perform a satanic ritual.As for Rosa, I don't think that Ryukishi was trying to make her more sympathetic but trying to give her depth. All the characters, even the "evilest" ones, have some sort of background that explains why they did it; if you think that justifies their actions, it's up to you. For me, at least, it just make her more human and pathetic, but didn't make me feel sorry for her.
I have shamefully put off playing Higurashi for, no shit, at least 20 odd years that I have been into visual novels. For spooky month, I wanted to play something a little horrific and the obvious choice was staring me dead in the face. Played through Chapter 1 last night and I'm kicking myself for not doing this sooner.
>>51315442>This seems to work on a lot of people for someone reason.what the other anon said about women, but also because the audience is full of pseuds who just see "oh it's portraying it as X but also the opposite of X, that's so deeeeeeep" ignoring that no attempt is made to properly integrate the two different halves, and then calling out that X and not-X aren't developed and integrated properly and are just plopped onto the page in front of you is you actually being too stupid to "get it", because the intellectual signaling has made filling in the gaps in the work in your own head the intellectual thing to do. or better yet just assuming there are no gaps rather than actually thinking about the work and what it's trying (and failing) to tell you.this also leads to bizarre contradictions like (I think it was ep2?) lovingly talking about Rosa hitting Maria on top of her head to avoid leaving marks of her abuse, then later having Battler hitting Maria on the top of the head as a funny anime slapstick bonk which then just makes the Rosa abuse scene look like some kind of a joke. because "she did the abuse so it wouldn't leave any marks, that's so deep and dark man" and it's consequences weren't actually properly considered beyond the surface level.>and made me hate Umineko in retrospect even more.Umineko wasn't as bad itself (well, not for the same reasons at least) but it was definitely the beginning of a lot of Ryu's growing bullshit, specifically the subversion and shitting-on of past works. With Umi it was kind of contained to Bern and Lambda's backstory, with Bern being a shitty cynical version of Rika who lost hope even though Rika specifically won by not doing that, and with Higurashi being reduced to a gameboard these witches played (and then further reduced with Featherine being Lambd's opponent rather than Bern or whatever the fuck it even was).And then everything Ryu shat out after that is just endless rehashing and referencing and cynicism. Like that retarded harem deathgame manga he did, where the main girl was a big Rika named Ririka Fufururude or some fucking shit, and the main guy is treated with absolute spite and disdain just for being out of the loop on the death game, he's just a perverted retard. Imagine how much worse Higurashi would have been if the club members had been treated like that. But bruh the demon is named Zeparfur, remember when Zepar and Furfur were retarded characters with a dumb gimmick in Umineko? He throws out references like jangling keys in front of a child to distract you from how shit everything he makes is.By the way what happened to that other manga he was writing with the bunny girl and grown up definitely-not-Keiichi? The one where everyone was calling it cuck shit because the guy had to watch the girl service fat ugly ojii-sans or whatever the fuck? I can't even remember the title of it. That was dogshit
>>51316730>By the way what happened to that other manga he was writing with the bunny girl and grown up definitely-not-Keiichi? The one where everyone was calling it cuck shit because the guy had to watch the girl service fat ugly ojii-sans or whatever the fuck? I can't even remember the title of it. That was dogshitIt ended already with 3 volumes, most likely cut short, although it's hard to say since there was no real plot.Also, oddly, "Kei Maebara" was really the only WTC reference, they didn't even reference any other character or anything else (although Karen is clearly really just an off-brand Mion).
>>51316129I think Rosa isn't THAT bad. Obviously she's a huge cunt but her actions aren't 100% malicious and it's clear she at least has some good goals in mind. She had a few reasons for beating Maria and being angry at how she behaved, even if she was also partly responsible. Basically what i mean is that while you might think Rosa deserves no forgiveness for how bad her treatment of Maria had gotten, you can't claim this was free.Meanwhile everyone forgives Eva for being a piece of shit for no real reason. Like, cartoonishly evil. Saturday morning cartoon levels of evil.
>>51316730>but also because the audience is full of pseuds who just see "oh it's portraying it as X but also the opposite of X, that's so deeeeeeep" ignoring that no attempt is made to properly integrate the two different halves, and then calling out that X and not-X aren't developed and integrated properly and are just plopped onto the page in front of you is you actually being too stupid to "get it", because the intellectual signaling has made filling in the gaps in the work in your own head the intellectual thing to do. or better yet just assuming there are no gaps rather than actually thinking about the work and what it's trying (and failing) to tell you.Very well explained. A lot of people seem to not actually engage with the media they discuss and rather experience it through some kind of meta, social lenses. They never actually immerse themselves in the work, instead they try to make it fit within their prestige value system. It's all a big signaling exercise, basically.>Higurashi being reduced to a gameboard these witches played That was so bad, and yet people kept saying it didn't matter. I think it did.>But bruh the demon is named Zeparfur, remember when Zepar and Furfur were retarded characters with a dumb gimmick in Umineko? He throws out references like jangling keys in front of a child to distract you from how shit everything he makes isSotsugou defenders were the first to bite this cheap bait.By the way, Ciconia was even worse.
>>51316921>Also, oddly, "Kei Maebara" was really the only WTC reference, they didn't even reference any other character or anything else (although Karen is clearly really just an off-brand Mion).Was it? I thought the bunny girl's name combined kanji from the Higu girls or something.>>51316984>Very well explained.Nice to find someone actually pickin up what I'm puttin down. Though I wouldn't say it's about applying their own values; it's more like immediately adopting the values of the work because that itself signals prestige. This is a good/deep(TM) work, therefore I am an intellectual for "getting" it.>That was so bad, and yet people kept saying it didn't matter. I think it did.The entire problem was that it didn't matter. Making Higu a gameboard rather than something "real" in it's own universe makes it not matter. Umineko and some other Ryushit like Trianthology makes this whole stink about "fiction doesn't real but you care anyway lol" to excuse writing bullshit without giving it the internal sense of reality a work needs to actually connect to its audience, or to actually develop the kind of layered storytelling/reality it would take to make that kind of a work worth reading. I don't think I've ever seen a work truly achieve that, but Umineko barely even fucking tried. Again, it just slaps shit on the table in front of you and demands you regard it as a fine steak, because it's meta.>By the way, Ciconia was even worse.I forget about Ciconia a lot lmao. Didn't Ryukishi technically commit fraud by selling the first episode at the price of all four episodes and then never delivering the other episodes? That's funny.
>>51317010>I wouldn't say it's about applying their own values; it's more like immediately adopting the values of the work because that itself signals prestigeWell there's also that ("it's well received so I have to find ways to rationalize and praise it") but I think at its core it's the result of a very specific kind of person, these pseudo-artsy wannabe intellectual types who absolutely LOVE subversion and post-modernist shit. Very pedantic too, if they were reading this post they'd start by responding "well retard, define post modernism, which decade are we talking about? Which authors? In which context?" and obfuscate the conversation despite knowing very well exactly what I meant by the above blanket statement.It's no surprise that they love deconstruction, shitting on the readers, 4th wall breaking, death of the author (unless they want to bring up "media literacy", then there's only one interpretation possible). They don't have an actual moral compass, only a social one, so as long as it doesn't obviously contradict their political agenda they wont really confront the story's values or lack thereof. The story can do whatever the fuck it wants and it'll be ignored as long as it doesn't touch a few select taboo subjects/themes.You can apply most of the above to Umineko. Featherine calling the readers retarded was probably the cherry on top.
>>51316984>That was so bad, and yet people kept saying it didn't matter. I think it did.>>51317010>The entire problem was that it didn't matter. Making Higu a gameboard rather than something "real" in it's own universe makes it not matter. I mean, it's still real. They're alternate universes messed with by cosmic beings. But in Umineko itself, it's established there was pretty much no one controlling the Higurashi world after the mess was set up. Remember, he used to openly say Hanyuu was an amnesiac Featherine, which is why Rika had to find the answer to escape by herself.A lot of Umineko fans dislike seeing the upper layer as "real", but it's clear R07 doesn't share that point of view since he keeps bringing up the cosmic stuff in interviews and other stories and never tried to frame these stories from a fictional perspective outside of Umineko's main plot itself and then Trianthology.Like, when he wrote a prologue to Hotarubi tying into Umineko, it wasn't about someone writing a story, it was about Bernkastel sending Lambda a fragment she could jump into for a survival competition. When Gou referenced Ciconia, Eua talked about a parallel world from many loops ago. And so on. After Umineko, it's only really Trianthology that went on about these being just stories.That said, he did seemingly switch writing to a more plot focused perspective later on, believing characters could fit into any role he needed for the narrative, and I think this is the actual issue, because you can notice it even if the story doesn't deal with any meta elements.>I forget about Ciconia a lot lmao. Didn't Ryukishi technically commit fraud by selling the first episode at the price of all four episodes and then never delivering the other episodes? That's funny.Nah, the four episodes would all be sold separately. It's a why a lot of people who were his fans thought it was too expensive and didn't buy it at launch. You were never promised the other chapters for free. They'd presumably cost just as much as Phase 1.
>>51316730>Higurashi being reduced to a gameboard these witches playedTreating the story as a gameboard and the characters as pieces is one of the most loveless ways to look at a story. Next to it is saying "it's just another fragment" as an excuse for some shitty content.
>>51317302Fat sluts are so sex crazed
>>51316971>Saturday morning cartoon levels of evil.I think post-incident Eva could have been more devoleped. She was the best adult because she was just an normal asshole that cared about her immediate family yet she degerated without support, it would be interesting to see a bit more of this process. Even still, Eva did send Ange to a boarding school, maybe because she thought she could be happier there, without her crazy aunt scolding her?
Umineko is going to receive a new translation very soon.The guy doing it will also audit the earlier ones, so we will be able to see just how faithful they are to the original Japanese text! (all thanks to the latest ChatGPT models)It's pretty excitinghttps://mao-tls.github.io/
>>51317632There are already two full translations already, one looser another closer to the text. AI translations still kind of stumble on context at times which is very important for Umineko with all the word plays.
He was tapped in
>>51314400rika hates armpits
>>51317302BWC fuckmeat
Umineko Stageplay Episode 7 leak when?
>>51317971Mion loves them
>>51320102I would have bet she was more fixated on Rena's feet.
>>51320108Worst Hanyuu design honestly
>>51320102yes
Cat-cow Au Au
>>51317197All the rich lore that the When They Cry universe would oficially have right now with those elements isn´t there yet, because some hack adict of Happy Meals only cares about cheap drama after cheap drama.
>Totally not Satoko
im goin to shirakawa in a month
you’re reading umineko in the comfiest month of the year. what could possibly be boring?
>>51322091oyakodon immediately
>>51322020This is so disgustingly preachy. I hate how R07 started lecturing in Umineko.
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