Discuss deep touhou themes.Thread for nerds and lorefags btw.
just take it easy
What if the moon Reisen lives on was just a 2hu's big fat ass?Discuss.
>>51286441I want Satorin to acquiesce to my penis!
>>51286441I heavily agree with a lot of the deeper themes that Zun has adapted over time against the societal abandonment of curiosity and wonder and the human element. It is not a science vs theology argument, by the way. It is something a lot more sinister than that.Often time people find it easier to execute a fashion rather than execute a line of independent thinking.There is a current fashion of a grotesque lack of interest in life, and a disdain of passion and effort (hell, the responses in this thread before me are a good example).I interact with people who are supposed to be intellectuals very often, who can at the same sentence say something that highlights the impossibility and wonder of every human being, and just how much is left for us to learn about them, and use this as an excuse to make a claim that nobody is special and that life is dull and meaningless.>Trust the scienceThat is exactly what science asks you not to do. It is a system that invites you to question everything.And in the end what you explore and find can only be aquired by your lens. How can you find wonder if your eyes are closed?Same thing with the aspect of the human element. How can anyone care to be a baker to a group of people that are not a community? How can a court run fairly to anonymous people? With no context to who they are as people? It is a pretense that the elements that make up a community can be commodetized and divided equally, and somehow it will make people happy.
That post kind of came out like a ramble cause I tried to fit too much in but I hope this is something to work with.That Fashion of things is another theme tackles well because that world he creates help people chase wonder an curiosity
>>51289101>I heavily agree with a lot of the deeper themes that Zun has adapted over time against the societal abandonment of curiosity and wonder and the human element.I do think that it is just a case of you projecting your own thoughts onto something.
Yuiman and the Pit of Four Seasons is a warning for all of us, but particularly the neurodivergent, the eccentric, the unusual, and others that may be more inclined to start leaning further into the digital world. (Prefacing this by reminding everyone of Kanako's claims of Yuiman already being rather peculiar long before the events of FW).Long before the advent of AI itself, the digital world had shifted so much so that many, many people could consider it their 2nd home, their new third place, often the only one. As we seek communion among like-minded individuals, we start to create these homes, and along with them comes the natural trials and tribulations of any real social group. History creates itself, happenings soon follow, as well as those seeking out to archive them, no matter the purpose. This superfluous mass of information is only exacerbated by the lack of commitment it takes for one to feel involved enough to take such matters into their own hearts, be it the rather trivial matters mentioned above, or, in a broader scale, international news, which feel harder to escape from than before the digital age.Our minds can only handle so much, especially for the aforementioned people who may or may already be lacking a solid enough foundation to prosper in social events. An individual's mental well being is hardly in the interest of the elites above too, unless it starts hitting them, so either you solve it, or you fall prey to it and let it shape you, potentially to the point where navigating the real world becomes difficult. You overthink everything, struggle to grasp what's important and what isn't, especially if the mundane nature of the subjects at hands clashes directly with the amount of time you allocate to it, see everyone as a potential source of hostility & conflict, given that it is naturally emphasised in that 2nd home of yours, it must be how the real world operates too. Simply disengaging from it all is not as easy as it seems, for the digital has become, and will become, more and more essential to our life.
>>51289150Have you looked at all into the Hifuu club?
>>51289459Yes and?
>>51289101>>51289246Kinda neat to think about. As the border between the real world and the digital world gets muddled even further, curiosity about the unknown seems to get further and further discouraged in favor of mass-accepted answers, whether those answers are true or not so true. I wonder if the end result of this will be similiar to the hypothetical Hifuu Club world.
When is Mokou going to interact with Ariya in canon? she's been seeking an audience with her for a while hasn't she?
>>51286441Given that this is the only serious touhou thread, I want to talk about Yukari. I think she's probably the most interesting touhou character besides maybe Kaguya. I watched clips of The Wishmaster and Hannibal Lecter. It put into perspective how powerful she is, which goes against the usual tertiary fanon slop people love to peddle. She can basically do anything but without The Djinn's weakness of being relegated to making wishes. She eats people like Hannibal but is magnitudes more intelligent than him. Her ''victims'' however are inherently suicidal and she doesn't explicitly go after innocent people who don't already want to die (unlike Hannibal). Her protection of the Human Village, her care for other yokai and her donations to the Hakurei Shrine and being almost a mentor to Reimu makes her morally grey. This inspired me to write stories about her (and Maribel). Specifically love stories about her and Anon. Her way of loving would be equally beautiful and horrifying. Yukarifags (myself included) don't know what we'd be in for. Side note, she has two entries on both Heroe's and Villain's wikis respectively. Heroe's wiki describes her as a ''Do-Gooder'' and a Reality-Warping Mastermind.
It’s the philosophy of the despised
>>51286441What are the existential implications of Nue's huge Nuenis?
>>51289101>an excuse to make a claim that nobody is special and that life is dull and meaningless.Nobody is special, but it certainly does not logically follow that life is dull and meaningless. Whether it is or isn't, is a matter of the inner self and one's perception, rather than some neatly argued & solved philosophical question about the external world.
>>51295082>Nobody is specialThat is clearly not the case, there are people who are remembered by masses of people centuries after their death.
>>51289150Touhou definitely contains themes of abandonment of curiosity and general disenchantment of life. Just think what Gensokyo is for five seconds. For a more recent example, music room comments in FW have ZUN complaining about how adventure is no longer possible in modern world. Also in this very thread you have individuals trying to derail as if they were afraid of people even trying to have a deeper conversation subject. You might want to expand on your statement, it's not standing on strong legs on its own.>>51295082NTA but I've certainly met people in life that I would call special, and numerous people who lived life so safe and generic as if they were afraid of being special. If we are to never call anyone special, then it certainly slashes away a huge chunk of what makes the world interesting, as it implies every person is exactly the same as another. I'd rather openly state that some people are born different, or made themselves special by their own commitment instead of pretending I don't see differences.Would you there's nothing special about your favorite 2hu?
>>51289150"Ultimately, nobody can hear more out of things, books included, than he already knows. For that to which one has no access through lived experience, one has no ear."
>>51295088>remembered by masses of people centuries after their death.Is that what makes someone special?
>>51297105Basically, though it's probably more correct to frame it as those people being remembered for something, that something is what makes them special. First name that comes to my mind, Euler; he basically invented half of modern math, that is a incredibly unique achievement, something that very few people in history can claim. Therefore he was special.
>>51286441Why does Reimu kill human villagers who become youkai? Why do these jinyou present a threat to Gensokyo? We know from context in the other pages that she only actually kills them once they become youkai, while those who merely assume youkai-like natures (whatever that means) are merely on the Meiji-era Hakurei miko watchlist. Reimu is friends with several youkai, youkai-like humans, and even a human who became a youkai (Alice). Yukari Yakumo sometimes encourages people to become youkai in one of her fighting game dialogues with Marisa and kind of in the end of Forbidden Scrollery when she saves Kosuzu , so it wouldn’t *seem* to be direct orders from Yukari. Maybe the goal isn’t to prevent 100% of humans from becoming youkai, but to stigmatize jinyou transformation to something normal people would never do? The jinyou in this chapter was already sorta stigmatized, though. Is it about preserving class hegemony? Do Reimu and Yukari simply play favorites?Relevant chapters of forbidden scrollery: 24 and 25. They’re short so please read them before commenting if you aren’t familiar. https://dynasty-scans.com/series/forbidden_scrollery
>>51298216Because youkai rely on humans seeing them as "the other" to be feared and avoided, if humans themselves close the gap by becoming supernatural beings themselves, the youkai lose their mystique and advantage.
>>51298216With the Fortune Teller, he selfishly used people for his own gain, and it's likely such a person wouldn't really peacefully live outside the village, but cause more trouble later. The thing about most of the Youkai in Gensokyo is that they're either deadlocked with other factions or totally content with their standing, but a human who became a Youkai would probably do so in an attempt to gain more power for themselves and that kind of ambition is dangerous. The chapter has a lot of Reimu's intuition(by Marisa's description) and I think she realizes this problem, but what's more, Reimu is an expert at exterminating Youkai, but what about humans who've turned into Youkai? That might pose a problem she can't handle.My personal opinion is that becoming a Youkai is a step backward and by it's nature is degenerate. In this situation Gensokyo in itself is sort of a aberration of an aberration because most Youkai within the barrier have been able to grow past this nature and are moving towards a more enlightened perspective, but if a human were to become a Youkai, taking a step backwards, then they could bring the whole down with them. Also, hilarious to hear Youkai talk about 'muh nature' all the time, but many Youkai are lairs after all.
>>51293286Naisu post, good psychoanalysis
>>51295151I think adventure is actually possible in the modern world, you just gotta be homeless. It's the closest state to our primal state. I was homeless for a week and I was actually surprisingly happy because it was basically like a big adventure
>>51295082Within you lies the potential to chase dreams and adventures beyond your inagination.You tell yourself nobody is special because you gave up, and you would feel better thinking others are just as weak as you.
I was gonna philosophize about 2hu paizuri, but this thread is being treated seriously, apart from the guy obsessed with dicks.
>>51297128I suppose I don’t have a problem if we define special-ness as ”this person has done something cool/unique”, rather than ”this person has innate qualities that differentiates them” (as >>51301129points out, we all have the capacity to dream and act on those dreams, after all) although I kind of doubt this is what the sort of people alluded to by >>51289101 are talking about.
>>51301278>if we define special-ness as ”this person has done something cool/unique”, rather than ”this person has innate qualities that differentiates themThe problem with that line of thinking is that those two concepts aren't entirely separable. To do something unique you have to have some unique qualities, along with obviously favorable circumstances. If one of those elements is missing then it simply won't work.
>>51300724Thiel of all people comments this:"This is the classic trichotomy of the easy, the hard, and the impossible. Kaczynski argued that modern people are depressed because all the world’s hard problems have already been solved. What’s left to do is either easy or impossible, and pursuing those tasks is deeply unsatisfying. What you can do, even a child can do; what you can’t do, even Einstein couldn’t have done. So Kaczynski’s idea was to destroy existing institutions, get rid of all technology, and let people start over and work on hard problems anew. Kaczynski’s methods were crazy, but his loss of faith in the technological frontier is all around us..."
