>>51352887
>that grass
>that tree
>that lake
>that hills
>that flowing hair of the flower lady

anon was bullsbungholio yet again.

https://warosu.org/jp/thread/51112815#p51131082

Holy kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sufdy32WTYs

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Dicen que no es asquerosa

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2invh4

>>51353079
wheres Ono Erena?

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I don't like aitakata at all
Bad song

https://x.com/jano1dbdspe2/status/2113824667521937664?s=20
Someone on twitter is pondering about how lackluster AKBs 12th and 13th generation were

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12th generation
Basically no standout members
My favourite is Tano Yuka and the most popular now is maybe Tomu or Hirata the gravure whore

There was no way this generation could help AKB in any way

Of course and Juri who betrayed us and debuted in a kpop group

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13th generation looks better because they were saved by Yuiri
The other members are all mediocre too
And of course we have Sahho who is still in the group but should have graduated like 5 years ago

The 15th generation were way better. They had the 3 musketeers and really good songs

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I find the 16th generation mediocre too. They debuted at the time when sak&michi groups were at their peak and had promoted lookism throughout Japan
You would think the management would select beautiful girls to keep up with the current era but all the girls were meh at debut

Manaka and Kurumi grew into sexy members and Zukki looks nice now though

>>51353577
Tano is my least favorite member ever, just seemed a nasty piece of work to me.

I saw a Chiyori video with Tomu in the other day actually. Chiyori is very single and seems very, very unhappy about it, so get in there if that floats your boat. Tomu wants a boyfriend she never sees, I think she's been completely burned out by shaking the hands of a million sweaty wotas and prefers the stockmarket and pokemon at this point.

In other doomscrolling I was quite amused to learn of the depth and extent of Erii's crush on Onishi Momoka. The funny thing being if she'd tried she could have got a bit further than innocent Erii seems to imagine.

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Ultimately AKB failing to recruit beautiful members in the past really hurt the group.
Of course beauty isn't all. AKB at its peak wasn't exactly a group filled with beautiful people but if you are going to select talentless members at least make them visually appealing

>>51353601
>In other doomscrolling I was quite amused to learn of the depth and extent of Erii's crush on Onishi Momoka
Can you enlighten me? I have never heard of this

>>51353610
Its in a video from her old channel (Erii Erii Gogo or something?). She did a series of "general election" videos where she basically just talked about other members she likes for different reasons, its quite sweet really. The theme is which member would you want to be your boyfriend (guest star: Maho). Its obviously just fun and games but it stops being ironic and she gets a bit carried away discussing her number one choice.

>putting AKB decline on 2 random subpar generations in 2011
Completely clueless. "uhmm akshually this almost completely irrelevant thing is why everything got bad".
You could've chosen Maeda graduation, Kami7 graduation, Sashihara graduation, Mahohon scandal, but no, the fact that this one batch of girls did not produce super stars is the real reason.
One of these events caused SSK, Janken, Kouhaku and multiple TV shows being cancelled at the same time. And it sure as shit not Hirari's broke ass being groped on video.

>>51353577
Tomu stood out from the get go. If management (and a certain ex-Kami 7) hadn't done literally everything in their power to try and stuff her in a box she'd have shone brightly from 2014 onwards.

>>51353706
It is a combination of several factors but subpar members really count
When your oshi graduates you would want other members to like but when you have to choose between mediocre members your only choice is to look for other groups

Sakma×××chi has popular members spread out from the first generation to the current whiles for AKB it is from the 1st generation to the 5th with Sashihara. You could stretch it to Paruru and kawaei but that is it

>>51353647
No wonder she looks depressed now. All her friends have graduated

>>51353588
Both 12th and 13th were hamstrung less by the quality of the members (which they had in spades) and more by mgmt choosing to push the least suited of both generations. Karen had a neat story and some talent but she was never going to be very popular. Tano's personality was always going to turn fans off. And Juri likewise. They pretty much ignored or deliberately sidelined everyone else.

For 13th, they pushed Ryoka and Kaoru (neither of whom are even in your screenshot, somehow). About the only thing Ryoka had going for her is that she was friends with all the other shitty mistake pushes of the era. And Kaoru bailed at the first chance she got. Saho and Yuiri both had extreme fan popularity from the start but neither of them were pushed for years. By the time they started acknowledging Yuiri's existence she'd already eclipsed every other new gen in popularity among fans.

>>51353590
The three musketeers are 14th gen. I agree that 15th had strong members, but those weren't the ones they pushed! Again!

Also besides Kojimako and Naachan, 14th gen was terrible. Even with them, it was still worse than 12th or 13th.

>>51353737
She has Remitan now. Unfortunately.

The real reason that era struggled is that their time to shine came in 2014-2015, and that's the year management was putting all of their effort into a) sister group kennins, and b) Team 8, leaving everyone else to founder.

>>51353727
It's a matter of exposure and personal taste.
You can objectively judge exposure and when it actually declined. Thus pointing out when general public would have a lot less opportunity to find an oshi in the group.
Whether the group/generation at the time has a member you personally would push is purely subjective.

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>>51353732
This judgement does not hold up when you look at the numbers. Even Shitsuren Arigatou senbatsu was still outdoing Sakamichi.

>>51353751
The sister group kennin was needed because AKB alone could not work
People say it was a mistake but it was a necessity at that time

You have to know that even without AKB staff interfering the most successful members of the AKB group from AKB 10th generation onwards have all come from sister groups
The only exception is Honda hitomi who is from team 8 not AKB proper

>>51353770
The most valued member was Naachan which is why they didn't let her go to Korea.

>>51353761
I think the sales were just based on pure momentum
That is why it dipped massively after covid when the momentum was broken

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>>51352878
Aitakatta was released 20 years ago today

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Raimon san es genial

>>51353756
chica pura

>>51353601
>Chiyori is very single and seems very, very unhappy about it
japanese men are really the lowest of the low

>>51353770
Sorry, “team 8 not AKB48 proper” is sending me. Lmao

>>>/hr/5296856
Kiss your stepdaughter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9kXstb9FF4

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>>51353806
>>51353706
At the time I felt it really all went wrong when Yahagi Moeka left but its not fair to blame it on her really. Although it was really more a business thing after that, running down the assets without investment, that dire later period of low energy greatest hits medleys and no new records.
Things are a lot better now, there is someone very smart in charge these days, I wish I knew who they were and they gave interviews.

>>51353706
Partially true such that old AKS failed to cultivate viable candidates for the Legends to pass their Matrix of SEXship, Matrix of Aceship, Matrix of Leadership, Matrix of Kawaiiship, Matrix of Varietyship, etc.

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I wrote another poem. This one is called:


A Poem About the Heights of Select 3 Members of the HKT48 Idol and Theatre Group,


Reia is tall,
Ikuno is quite tall,
But Kurumi is quite small.

By Anon A. Anonson

Thank you.

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great shot

h-hiyuka?
https://x.com/nekozitas/status/2114370042519285898

>>51355335
Susoga lil sis bulking up with protein shake since baby ready for future wrastlin. Look at /our lil sis/ baby eyes like a lioness eye of a tiger.

Theme song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob8TNqQw2hY

Can anyone explain wtf happened in Indonesia at the fan event?

we don't talk about that incident here

>>51355529
nip being shithead nothing new

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>次回の「いいねちょうだい」は・・・
>HKT48 #生野莉奈 さん ご出演
let's fucking go!

are there recordings of the broadcasts anywhere?

>>51353766
It was absolutely 100% not necessary and directly killed the momentum of the gens we're talking about.

>>51354061
such a dweeb
adorable

>>51355781
AKB promoted members were crushed by sister group members
If the sister groups didn't exist AKB would have even sunk lower. The talent just wasn't there

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are they lesbians again

>>51355814
Never were.

>>51355813
It absolutely was there, they just stuffed it in a box and sat on it until it was mostly too late.

>>51355848
Even outside the AKB system all who have succeeded in other areas are not from AKB
Lesserafim
Izone
Candy Tune
Fruits zipper
Honda hitomi with Say My Name but she is from team 8

>>51355868
Rocket Punch will not be disrespected

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crime signs

https://gofile.io/d/VrIiYIWR

>>51355868
What part of "they squandered the talent they had" did you completely fail to comprehend.

>>51355868
You're just proving his point, but you probably think the KPOPs were organically successful (not sure the point of mentioning the random whos that got into random who idol groups).

>>51355925
What talent?
If they had talent why didn't any of them gain popularity or success after leaving AKB?

>>51355929
My point is that even girls who were originally from the AKB groups who moved to other groups and succeeded are from sister groups not AKB itself

It proves that the management were making the right choice of putting Nako, Sakura etc in AKB

>>51355945
It proves jack shit. Do you think Sakura is where she is because of "talent"?

Nako has some actual talent, but her being in AKB prevented other members from developing theirs. It was absolutely a mistake what they did with kennins in 2014, and it's a large part of why the group stagnated for so long.

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(2027/01/13) 13th Gen 15th Anniversary Performance

>>51355948
AKB team B around the time Mayuyu graduated had Mayuyu, Yukurin( OG members) Kizaki Yuria( Originally SKE ace), Kato Rena, Miyuki Watanabe(NMB) and Nako(HKT) as the only standout members
The rest who are what kpop fans call nugu

A team 16 people and the only standout young person is Nako who is from HKT

>>51355978
>2017
You do realise what you're describing is the effect of the kennin era, not a justification for it, right?

>>51355947
Sakura is talentless when it comes to singing or dancing but has idol power which trumps talent
The problem is that the original AKB girls dont have talent or idol power in them. They are just regular girls

>>51355989
Completely false, but naturally you wouldn't know this since you're a kpop tourist who only knows about the group because of a rigged survival show.

Thanks to AKS's mismanagement there were basically two separate versions of AKB48 in 2014-2019, the one fans followed on stages and local events where lots of girls blazed with idol power, and the boring TV version that was packed full of geriatrics and sister group members. Sure by 2018 a lot of those other girls had given up, and the situation was really getting dire, but if they'd capitalized on what they had in 2014 instead of trying to play it safe with girls who were already popular in other groups then by 2016 we'd have had a completely fresh lineup of stars. But instead they buried them.

Talent is not success is not talent.

>>51355983
Why should management allow unpopular AKB members to waste resources when they can move popular sister group members to Tokyo?

But but but if management natured them....
No it wouldn't work.
You guys underestimate how weak AKB would look without sister group members

>>51356010
>you underestimate how weak AKB would look without the very thing that made it weak
No, no I don't. Also I don't fucking care about "weak" especially not when it's just temporary. They needed to do a rebuilding from scratch narrative when Yuko left and instead they opted to patch the new garment with the old.

>>51356017
Let's looks at our breakout stars who are supposed to carry AKB forward

-Owada Nana
-Mion
-Okada Nana
-Kojimako

Kek
Okada Nana is the only great person here

>>51356028
I even forgot to mention the fact that all of them got into dating scandals
It seems management knew what they were doing more than I even thought

Should I promote the pure talented Hakata Nako instead of the talentless Owada Nana whore?
Tough choice

>>51356028
Oh dear, you genuinely are retarded.

Naanya was a mistake, she had literally nothing going for her except a pretty face. Mako wasn't much better. They had tons of other members they could have pushed had they not used all their resources on the idol equivalent of foreign immigrants.

>>51356028
NTA. Although not my cup of sake, 2018 Mion would have seemed like a different proposition, its hard to remember now. But of course by the end of the year Yahagi Moeka was being talked about like Itomomo is now, a false dawn as it turned out.

>>51356059
Comparing Moeka and Itomomo is silly. Moeka was an obvious bad apple during the auditions, and that only became even more obvious after she joined.

>>51355922
>naanya's singing
yikes

>>51356062
OK, obviously in temperament they couldn't be more different but people really were saying the same things. She's cute, she can sing, she can dance, we've finally got the center we needed all along and she's young enough to have a good run. And then she quit.

>>51356076
>she can dance
I don't remember anyone saying that.

And regardless of what people were saying, if anyone making decisions for the group couldn't see the disaster coming from miles away they have no business managing an idol group.

>>51355767
you mean the radio broadcasts? i usually download them with yt-dlp. you can also find some of them here https://hktdouga.blog.jp/

>>51355922
Absolutely terrible singing

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>>51356089
thank you!

>>51355922
Without Yuiri this would be unwatchable

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tamago

>>51356313
She needs a better hairstyle

I honestly do not give a f about problematic idols from the past, team 8, pre-NGT scandal era, etc. all that is ancient history and the only AKB48 members that matter right now are in the current lineup or are otherwise still engaged with the group and with the broader Japanese entertainment industry (Yukirin/Yuiri); everyone else can fuck right off, including the kpop idol known as Sakura from the group Le Sserafim

>>51356559
(mostly) agreed

>>51356045
I've seen a number of j-dramas where opening a food truck is the happy ending. I don't know if this means there is some sort of cool artisanal food truck scene in Tokyo or its just a meme.

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Odiamos a Kasumi y Morikawa

>>51357194
It makes sense that even if you are a fan of the new members you will not be a diehard fan who will sit at her seat instead of sitting in Yuiyui's section

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>>51357216

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Con una portada así venderemos 1 millon

>>51357115
MeiMei is playing with fire, here

https://youtube.com/shorts/hLp3AA92ZHA?si=gOHcF-YOnScP8EJv
This is getting to be too much and also not nearly enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjdEaxJnx8A

>>51357034
I love them so much it hurts

>>51356223
For me, it;s Moka.

Hinata - a bit too much of a slut
Amane - disloyal
Unjo - Too smart

Moka - perfect

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>>51357194
>Kondo Saki
wwww

>>51357222
The good KKS

https://i.imgur.com/PbGmYE8.png
>>>/hr/5297760
Goblina Slayer Maxima Full Metal Berserk

>>51357251
nice feet

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>>51357819
Just a daily reminder to be nice to your neighbor's daughter, (You) never know when she'll get a growth spurt and bloom daddy issues one day.

>>51358183
>trad idol
really tho?
looks like a semen demon to me

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>>51358223

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>>51357454
Same

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https://youtu.be/vnHSBML2fg8
Naru/Kohina. Surprisingly interesting.

>>51358183
She looks like she belongs more in Tokyo burlesque rather than a 48G stage

>>51357948
… who?

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Beautiful NMB48 trainee

>>51359313
Future absolute ace

>>51358211
with a face like that, she's never blooming

>>51359334
Tbh I’m glad that Seira is carrying the visual/gravure/spotlight of NMB 11ki. That lets my girl chill out

>>51359495
She’s destined for greatness as long as she doesn’t fuck things up: missed rehearsals, interpersonal problems, or caught with a boyfriend

…
Oh wait, I’m just describing that commoner ex-19ki

>>51359666
Plastic surgery can make a young jp girl glo the fuck up

>>51359723
No it can't.

>>51358447
kosher

>>51357107
repostan I'm not sure which mod had a hormone imbalance and post assblastum syndrome

https://x.com/nagekinohina/status/2114682732848840998

>Sa-ho-san: At 32, my dream is to open a food truck.
>Members+fans: EEEHHHH?????

anon was bullsbungholio in repeat.

https://warosu.org/jp/thread/51291035#p51292334

>>51358183
>>>/hr/5297760
Goblina Slayer Maxima Full Metal Berserk

https://www.reddit.com/r/AKB48/comments/1xhe88z/ske48_kurashima_ami_goes_viral_on_x_over_one/

>>51359857
Sexy

>>51359752
I think Sorara should ditch the twintails
Yes she looks good in it but we need variety

>>51359666
You can never know what she might grow into
She looked better before she joined AKB.

>>51359255
Kek
Tokyo burlesque likes singing AKB songs for some reason
And surprisingly they are better singers than AKB girls

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>>51359897
It is kind of crazy to think about the fact that when Sahho joined the group kosaki and 2 other members weren't even born

>>51359929
Whoa, you're right. Maybe AKS should consider making a new sister group, ala. SDN48, and name it BBY48 all 4 to 8 years in preparation of graduating to instead graduating from.

>>51359938
Pedo

>>51360100
gookification suits her

>>51359925
Girls can always get uglier as they age. But with experience one can usually tell if an ugly girl has the potential to get prettier, and Kosaki doesn't.

>>51360100
Interesting to see her turn into a kpop clone
This means that kpop idols are not as ethereal as they seem. It is all cosmetics

>>51360272
>It is all cosmetics
...and plastic surgery.

>>51360295
That is why they look so much better than jpop idols
The difference is insane but it works
Kpop is global now ajd extremely popular in Japan

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>>51360320
Literalmente cualquiera de nuestras chicas se ve mejor

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>>51360341
Chica de 28 años

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>>51359924
cállate

>Airi Sato: "It's really frustrating that the number of views on our music video hasn't yet translated into increased concert attendance." [AKB48 Ai-chan]

>>51361151
Sounds fake to me.

>>51360320
>kpop idols
>looking better than jpop idols
In no universe has this ever been true, the fuck. And plastic surgery is a huge part of why kpop girls are disgusting comparing to jpop idols.

>>51360272
there is astronomically more candid footage of kpop idols, and they generally look the same as they do on social media. can't say the same for jpop idols, many of whom rely so heavily on filters that seeing them in a fancam is like being introduced to an entirely different person.

>>51361255
How can there be "candid" footage of brainwashed robots made to live in what amounts to a debtor's prison for bonded labour. The whole thing is disgusting.

>>51361151
Where did she say this? Mobame? Weverse? Some media interview?

IMO, this is the problem of catering too much to the young female demographic - they get you the views, the social media trends, the overall internet influence, but that doesn’t really translate to increased concert attendance unless they’re girls already living in Tokyo. The foreign western weebs who are still in school / younger than college grad age (< ~22-24) who end up loving AKB48 for their viral TikToks and because they like the cute outfits simply don’t have the money to travel to Japan for shows unless they’re from rich families

>>51360320
The only (Korean) idol kind of on the same level as jpop idols is Oh My Girl Arin post-surgery but before her massive amounts of weight circa 2023-2024. Everyone else is pretty bleh or looks uncanny

>>51361658
Not that poster but it seems to be this. Really the standard "Tokyo Dome" argument.
https://www.saga-s.co.jp/articles/-/1817174

I'm unlikely to ever go but they don't exactly make it sound easy to go honestly. Apply for this. Apply for that. Entire a lottery for this, pre-register for the chance to enter a draw for that, and then maybe you can got an arena show. From the way they made it sound Three Concepts was going to be at least as oversubscribed as the normal theatre is.

Maybe in 2026 the walk-up ticket is dead but they don't need to make it sound harder to book a seat in exchange for money than it is to get a skilled worker visa.

>>51361755
Ah, yeah, AKB makes it a pain in the ass to buy tickets. You basically have to do the equivalent of a white collar job’s task to even *apply* for tickets or for handshake. My chika friends don’t even bother setting up the digital infrastructure for this shit even if they find certain members cute (Itomomo, Zukky, etc.)

>>51361764
Even if you go the JTB route which I'm aware is a bit of a rip off but just to make it easy as a solo traveler, you're still entering a lottery. If they weren't definitely going to be sold out that is moronic and even if they are going to be: take the massive mark-up on the ticket price and your cut of the hotel booking fee like everyone else on the planet does and hold some tickets for people with more money than sense. Unless we're now pretending a signed Erii Chan photograph is worth 200 dollars on its own. I'm not travelling half way around the world on a lottery draw.

>>51361777
What I’ve seen people do is, book the flight and hotels anyways before the lottery results are announced. You normally win if you have eizo and hashira no kai. I guess if, if those plans fall through, you can still have a great Japan vacation. You would just miss the days of the concerts you didn’t win.

It’s a long flight for me, so I wouldn’t fly to Japan *just* for an AKB48 concert, and instead it would be an activity within a broader two-week Japan vacation. But you’re right, by keeping these as lotteries, we’re basically locked out of a quick weekend trip to Japan just for the concert itself (even if the flight is 13-20+ hours)

>>51361777
On a slightly related note, whats this...
>We hope that your numerous cheers and support posts on social media will reach out to even more overseas fans as well as the global music community. It would mean so much to us if you could share what attracts you to AKB48 and “Suki-ish,” in English and various languages!! AKB48 is excited to take this next step, together with your support!
I've always thought Japan is for the Japanese (as is their culture, I'm just a nosey foreigner intruding into something you are slightly embarrassed about in many cases and that is fine) so I'm prepared to forgive and forget years of trying to take down anything fansubbed with no alternative and a rather tardy stance on activating even YT translate options, but it did make me laugh.

Now you need to gaijin huh grammy-kun.

>>51361792
No, I'd build a longer trip around it (and probably pay a premium therefore to lock it down) but the idea just stops being fun almost immediately and if its not fun, its not my job to go is it.

>>51361802
It’s definitely a bummer. I find that Japan has plenty to offer beyond just AKB48. heck, even more than theaters; I have more fun sitting at at @home than watching a stage performance. Anyways, you do what works for you

>>51361811
Of course, its more of a bucketlist thing at this point. The doing it is more important than what it actually is.

>>51361793
See, my problem with *this* strategy is that it’s the most hilarious turn of events for AKB48. Suki-ish is as anti-foreigner/anti-westerner/anti-eigo as it gets. Us westerners tend to like modern, highly polished, contemporary music that feels like it belongs in a nightclub or mainstream radio, not a Showa-inspired song.

Omoide Scroll would have been a much better export for foreign audiences than Suki-ish imo

>>51361814
I don't agree. What I like about it is an appeal to something traditional that isn't just Japanese. People go and watch Abba holograms at this point, they do still want songs with intros and jazz chords, middle eights and brutal key changes. And stupid dances you can learn and daft videos. This is also true in terms of what people actually listen to on Spotify as back catalogue even if all you get on the radio is someone grunting with autotune to a four bar loop whose idea of a stage performance is to stand around in a track suit.

The other thing I think about a lot with AKB's hit songs you can laugh at me for saying, but they have a quality of joy to them you only get with really good pop music that has been missing in the west for a long time now. And Suki-ish really does have that.

I was watching the member reaction video earlier, it seems everyone's favorite bit is Azu getting wiped out in the pillow fight scene. You don't get that from Billie Eilish.

>>51361848
I don’t like it *precisely* because it feels like it’s trying to make me feel happy using a fairly standard AKB-style AkiP arrangement. Something like White Scorpion, or shit even nogizaka46 feels more polished and more apt for western ears than suki-ish. And those are all coming from AkiP.
If you want maximum happiness overdrive, you’re probably listening to iLiFE or some other Heroines group.
But really, there’s a reason westerners tend to lean more towards the alt scene rather than AKB/trad idols, and it’s because the alt scene aligns better with typical western tastes (not necessarily Billie eilish style. Just… things that make sense for our taste)

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Perfect little Aryan queen.

>>51361255
nothing kpops do is "candid" you dunce

>Anna-sensei: Akimoto-san did originally ask me to guide them. This first lesson for Oogoe Diamond, I taught them strictly. Seeing the change when they danced properly, it was scary. But when I returned, they were back to normal. A member asked, 'What's the point of doing it so seriously?'
>The centre position is held by someone who didn't want to be there, and didn't put in effort.
>Originally, Takamina was centre. She was the #1 hard-working girl that everyone acknowledged. The moment she was removed and Acchan became centre, AKB became that kind of group.
>'If working hard means I can become centre, I'll work hard. Akimoto-san put a girl who didn't work hard, and didn't want to be there, in the centre, and she was successful like that. So isn't it pointless to work hard?' I don't know what to say to the girls who think like that.
>I don't want to say 'They're pitiful', but... The adults around them tell them 'Do your best!' But the girls they choose are different. So the girls motivation gradually fades away. If just one staff member acknowledged them properly... They might change if you keep telling them.
Management has always been the group's biggest handicap. And she mentions Acchan but I don't necessarily think that was an issue, the group would not have been as successful with Takamina as the face. You have to consider other factors besides just "working hard". Looks matter, talent matters. Personality matters. But they consistently failed to reward girls holistically or consistently, and created an atmosphere of low effort.

>>51361864
Yeah but fuck western "taste".

>>51362026
Do you mean working hard as in being a good dancer or singer?
That has never mattered in AKB

>>51362026
I think the only girls who weren't awarded was someone like Amina who ranked 8th in the general election and was never rewarded with senbatsu

You can make a claim for Yuko who won the 2010 election. Was center of the most popular AKB song but never got a single center reward from AKB management
Instead Acchan still got 2 in a row and won the 2011 election making it 3 in a row

Sashihara too but Amina was treated the worst

>>51362065
That's the problem, yes.

>>51362066
There've been plenty of girls who tried hard and got nothing for it, neither by management nor even sometimes by (enough) fans.

>Sato Amina
The first SSK had extremely low vote counts. She didn't have a large fanbase, her fans just pioneered bulk buying and probably the fanclub membership exploit. It still should have been rewarded more, but SSK was never as significant as fans wanted it to be.

>>51362068
Ironically Yuko was far more of a hard worker than Acchan, if they'd have rewarded her more after Hebirote they could have turned things around. But for some reason the powers that be (including Takamina) mostly seemed to want to erase her legacy.

>>51362073
>That's the problem, yes
I feel like in a way depending on good dancers and singers would have hurt the group way more

Sasshi's group =love can't have a regeneration of members because there is no way they can find members who sing as good to replace the current members

>>51362073
>There've been plenty of girls who tried hard and got nothing for it, neither by management nor even sometimes by (enough) fans
In a way that is what life is. It is depressing but doing your best or being the best doesn't mean you will be rewarded
I mean look at how much Sak*mic** groups are worshipped in Japan even though they haven't produced anything worthy of that dominance

Sashihara is the most successful idol of the 21st century by a large margin and she literally has 0 idol skills

The songs she has written for her idol groups are doing well and she has been recognised as a good songwriter but that doesn't explain how she dominated AKB from 2013 to 2019

>>51362126
Variety is an idol skill

>>51362073
I don’t understand this obsession with AKB fans wanting idols to be rewarded for their hard work. That’s never been the impression I got from Senbatsu. An idol could work really hard, be an excellent theater girl, work her ass off st the concerts and still not get rewarded for Senbatsu (or any other prestigious high-influence/high visibility position granted by management) because other members are simply more deserving or are worth more investing in

I also don’t think Senbatsu is a “okay, this idol has worked really hard for the past few years, let’s give her Senbatsu.” It’s almost a forward-facing signal that management will continue investing scarce resources in the idol, and that can be completely independent of seniority and effort.

>>51362372
Life doesn't end on senbatsu. Noro Kayo is one of the most successful AKB members, but during her time in the group she was mostly rewarded with being called a fat bitch.

>>51362411
I agree with you, but please tell that to every single mf akb48 fan who gets upset or depressed when their oshi doesn’t make it into Senbatsu

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Beautiful NMB48 trainee

>>51362026
Sashihara would say that is misunderstanding what the product is. Don't take lessons before you join, fans want to say you are terrible, they want to say they saw you get good. Its your job to provide that.

It is true that is very 5th generation, very Sasshi herself who got TV shows out of a ponketsu persona and little early HKT perhaps when they had a bratty image.

But that isn't how Sasshi stayed, its not how HKT stayed and it certainly isn't how =LOVE is run and I don't think its true of AKB now either.

Members often talk about experienced senbatsu members working harder than they imagined in a way they find inspiring or a kick up the backside. As to senbatsu specifically I think they can have multiple reasons that are honorable (as opposed to lazy/corrupt) that aren't just "works hard". Much we don't know about anyway I'm sure.

>>51362420
AKBs activities have dried up a lot. There is nothing to do every year beyond the 2 singles they release
If your oshi is not in senbatsu she rots in the theatre for a whole year. Very discouraging

>>51362411
Noro Kayo is indeed a fat bitch
What is needed to succeed in the idol group is different from what is needed to succeed in the entertainment industry as a whole

In fact I think the ones who are worst at being idols will find it easier to succeed elsewhere

The SKE pornstar is the most successful SKE member but she was a terrible idol.

>>51361658
I get that AKBs goal is tokyo dome so they need huge concert attendance but I don't care about tokyo dome
Sakamichi groups makes it look easy but it is incredibly difficult to sell out there

>>51362476
Internal success in AKB48 (handshake sales, Senbatsu status, etc.) doesn’t necessarily translate to broader j-ent success. And, to be honest, I would agree. I think someone like Yurina gyoten would do well externally since she already has prior gravure and fashion modeling work

>>51362471
That’s just the nature of getting into a group like AKB. Plenty of idols are “rotting away” at livehouses instead. Why should I care about someone else’s AKB oshi?

>>51362372
It's really fucking simple. As expressed by Anna-sensei in a recent interview >>51362026 rewarding hard work encourages hard work. Lazy idols are shit idols.

>>51362411
>Noro Kayo is one of the most successful AKB members
No, she's one of the most successful EX-AKB members.

>NMB Mobame is gone for good
wtf

>>51362733
Hard work is not enough to make it into Senbatsu. All Senbatsu members work damn hard.

>>51362743
Honestly, good riddance. The meta is all on Instagram broadcast channels and TikTok bulletin boards. Mobame is just a legacy artifact for the 48G boomer/gen X fans.

>>51360100
Boss Pantomiyah Maybach refilling Hope (left) and Dreams (right).

>>51360063
papa anons always remember to be nice to your neighbor's daughter (You) never know if will hit hormones enriched jackpot.

>>51362783
nice back