I turn 21 soon and want to own guns for self defenseA pistol for conceal carry, a shotgun for home defense, but what's an AR15 for?If there was riots or civil war I would shelter in my houseIf it was so serious it wouldn't blow over I would leave the US before it got that badWhen would you actually need the range of a rifle if you only care about self preservation?
>>65171100If the guy you're facing just has a pistol, it gives you an advantage over them.
>>65171102Yes, but when would this happen that you have a rifle on you or have the time to get one out?
>>65171100Hunting, sports, fun? You're correct in that pistol and shotgun cover carrying and HD very well. One small advantage rifle has is you can put a suppressor on it to lower the odds that firing those 1 or 2 shots indoors will give lifetime of EEEEEEeeeeeeeeEEE to everyone. I have tinnitus. You dont want it. Always wear earpro and use suppressors when you can.
>>65171118What are the chances of hearing damage from having to defend yourself probably once in your life?And I thought suppressors still cause hearing damageIf I carried a pistol I would shoot it at the range every so often so I guess that's also for fun
>>65171139Suppressors indeed help with just the muzzle blast, not supersonic crack of the bullet's flight. If you need to shoot indoors then yes couple of shots are enough. Mine is from a single rifle shot and it was outdoors. Someone was to my 8 o clock and his muzzle was about meter from my ear. It wasnt even live ammo but just a blank.
>>65171146That really sucks, it's ridiculous that something just to slightly protect hearing is so regulated
>>65171100Self-defense is BS, get a real shootin' hobby.
>>65171100No, for the following reasons:>a shotgun for home defenseSemi-automatic rifles or PCCs can outperform and be a preferable choice to shotguns for HD purposes. Follow up shots are more faster and more forgiving on account being semi-auto, having substantially lower recoil, and having greater magazine capacity. Furthermore, depending on caliber and ammo choice, you may have a reduced risk of overpenetration and destruction of your own shit behind the target. >If there was riots or civil war I would shelter in my house>If it was so serious it wouldn't blow over I would leave the US before it got that badThere's the chance you won't get that choice, riot or other SHTF scenarios are historically known to elevate the risk of home invasion, including those involving multiple attackers, in which case a rifle is useful in the ways mentioned above. >When would you actually need the range of a rifle if you only care about self preservation?I'm assuming you live in an urban or suburban area where you don't need that, but this is a legitimate concern for a lot of other people. There's also non-self defense and/or proactive self defense to own rifles, but again, it seems that's not a necessity for you. I still recommend getting an AR or some other rifle but if you don't really care, you'll probably be served fine by a handgun(s).
>>65171100>If it was so serious it wouldn't blow over I would leave the US before it got that badLmao. What a pussy.
>>65171100I am a back woods hillbilly and all these operators who been shooting at paper targets are going to learn real fast what a toe popper and a dog is.The only time you will see me is when I crawl out of a bush to call my dog off you long enough to press a pretty little pocket pistol under your helmet and at the bridge of your eyes.The gun industry is an industry and they sell people fantasies.Simple as. If people actually gave a shit about effectiveness they'd be flying fpv drones, not playing with range toys.
>>65171100>but what's an AR15 for?my wife and children (10-13) to use. ar15s are so soft shooting it's the easiest gun for them to use.
>>65171393Imagine accusing people of having fantasies when you post all that LARP
>>65171107Use the rifle for home defense not the shotgun. A shotgun is adequate for home defense, but a rifle is better in every way. Better handling, better ammo capacity, better way to mount an optic and a light. >muh overpenetrationGo watch actual penetration tests against drywall.
>>65171100If you don't have tactical shotgun money than a AR is great. As soon as you get a tactical shotgun an AR is meh
>>65171100>but what's an AR15 for?It's better than a shotgun for HD.The meme of "get a shotgun for HD" is decades old. It came from a time when semi-auto rifles like AR's were rare and expensive while a pump shotty was affordable. Times have changed. ARs are common and inexpensive now.
>>65171670Pump shotguns are now a "better than pistol" in HD. It is pistol<pump shotgun><AR<TAC shotgun<personal security with TAC shotguns
>>65171393Please tell us more...
5.56 explodes when it hits the fleshit might be a bit less lethal than 8 .36 caliber lead balls dumping into a target all at once but you also have to account for reliability, range, and recoiland as for a pistol, you should basically never use a pistol unless its your only option to get to which is the case with edc, but not home defensepistol calibers are only about half as lethal as any rifle or shotgun calibers
>>65171139>>65171146>>65171146its worth noting that hearing loss is incredibly ammo dependentthe other day while out on vacation to table rock lake I shot at a rabbit twice with no ear pro using my tokarev with surplus ammo, and while it dulled my hearing for about a minute i was completely fine after no tinitus or anythinglater one of my friends was shooting at a steel plate from the patio with his 9mm edc pistol using target ammunition and one friend standing next to him watching thought he would be fine to leave his ears uncovered just because I was able to do it without my pistoland just from one shot he was almost deaf in his right ear the whole day and possibly has permanent hearing loss from itso the lesson here is to probably pick up surplus ammo or get something specifically lower pressurealso i completely missed the rabbit
>>65171393>The gun industry is an industry and they sell people fantasies.So do (you), apparently.
>>65171147it really depends on the caliber and barrel lengthsuppressors are highly effective for some calibers like .22 or .300 blk, but awful for like 5.56
>>65171393Why is the "dog" or whatever this animal is surrounded by a fuzzy haze?
>>65171100I dunnoWhat's the point of zoomers being so obsessed with min-maxxing everything and needing some justification for everything the do or buy instead of just doing shit for fun?
>>65171680Long guns have always been better than handguns for HD. There's nothing new about that. A handgun is a compromise for situations where you can't have a long gun, like concealed carry.
>>65172037>so obsessed with min-maxxing everythingIt's behavior they learned playing video games while they grew up. In gaming there is often 'meta' equipment or strategies, and people quickly learn that if they use some other gear/skills/whatever then other players make fun of them.>Lol why are you using that gun, that one sucks>Everyone knows the underground route is faster>Lol this skill has 2% higher DPS....and so on. These people incorrectly assume that real life has metas just like their games do. You can see this in advice threads. People will ask something like "what rifle should I get" without even bothering to mention what they want it for. That's because in their mind there is no nuance, there is only the one meta thing and they want that thing too. It's all about social acceptance, being part of the group.>just doing shit for fun?very few of them have enough self-esteem to do that.
>>65172036That's it's aura, it has a high power level you see
>>65172052Honestly it's because everything is so expensive I have to make sure I'm buying only what I need and something that will last
>>65171100>a shotgun for home defense,I would strongly suggest either a pistol or a PCC over a shotgun. I luv me scatterguns, make no mistake, but unless you go with something that's log and/or heavy enough to be seriously inconvenient you're looking at MAYBE 4+1 rounds.>but what's an AR15 for?People who don't have to worry about concealing their defense gun on their person. Thirty rounds of 5.56 is a hell of a lot of self defense.>If there was riots or civil war I would shelter in my houseAnd, uh, what if the riots move INTO your house and all of a sudden instead of "sheltering" you're faced with a group of half a dozen melanin-americans who have decided that yo Xbox and yo sista are gon' be parta they reparayshuns? Having five rifle rounds on tap for each intruder (stanard cap 30rd. mag) is a lot better than ~2.5 pistol rounds for each (double stack pistol mags are generally somewhere between 13rd and 17rd) or <1 shotgun shell for each in your 4+1 shotgun.>If it was so serious it wouldn't blow over I would leave the US before it got that badBold of you to assume that you'd get that chance, or that you wouldn't have to use your rifle to get out in the first place.>When would you actually need the range of a rifle if you only care about self preservation?(you) might not need that range, ever, but it's worth remembering that the effective range of a handgun is way shorter than you think. You probably don't need to worry about that when all you're going to be shooting across is your living room but there are plenty of people for whom a shoot-to-kill situation might involve tweakers with shotguns 50 yards away and an AR is going to be the gold standard for that. And besides that, who says you even need the range? 5.56 is incredibly lethal at CQB distances and the ability to rapidly dump large amounts of it into whatever is threatening you - wildlife or feral human alike - is as a good as gold.
>>65172091The reason I was choosing a shotgun over a rifle is because it would take only one shot vs the multiple a rifle might take especially against tweakersAlso it'd be a lot harder to miss especially under stressThe A300 patrol holds 6 rounds plus 1 in the lifterI think I will get an AR but only later, the optics alone cost more than these guns
>>65172147>because it would take only one shotRifles and shotguns are equally effective when it comes to the number of rounds needed to stop a threat.>Also it'd be a lot harder to miss especially under stressUnless you happen to live in Versailles, the spread of a shotgun is not significant at typical HD distances.
>>65172089I hope you're one of 0.0001% who bothers to describe what they're doing with their purchases, otherwise your effort is self-defeating.
>>65172156I thought I was pretty clear the pistol is only for appendix carry and the shotgun only for home defense, basically emergency tools>>65172154I was not aware of that, also it's 19 inches vs the 16 or 14.5 of an AR15Maybe it is better for home defense but I'd need to buy a red dot
>>65171100I liked it for a while, but now my long guns just collect dust. I think it's been almost a year since I've shot any of them. I don't get much time to shoot anymore, and I prefer spending it with handguns because they're more fun and more useful to me.
>>65172036It's a coyote. Your seeing camera atrifacting or something. I'm not a camera scientist.
>>65172036I got some modern trail cams and they use AI or something to recreate shapes through the grass. Its actually really neat.
>>65172147>The reason I was choosing a shotgun over a rifle is because it would take only one shot vs the multiple a rifle might take especially against tweakersYeah, nah. That's bullshit. 5.56 is thoroughly lethal.>Also it'd be a lot harder to miss especially under stressAssuming that you're referring to the shot pattern, that's retarded fuddlore as far as home defense distances are concerned. At 10 yards the cheapest mystery meat 00 buck out of a cylinder bore gun won't open up more than a few inches and any premium ammo will be making a hole marginally larger than the barrel diameter.And at any rate your primary concern shouldn't be "what will happen when I hit the guy", it should be "how quickly can I make a follow-up shot if I miss" and the difference in recoil and follow-up time between the pissin-hottest operator-est 5.56 out of a short barrel and any 12ga buck load is huge.>I think I will get an AR but only later, the optics alone cost more than these gunsWat. A Holosun ARO is like $150. Not da best and kind of ugly but cheap as shit and it just bolts right on to any flattop.
>>65171100Having an AR15 of your choice makes you happy that you possess a designated war machine over the hapless masses of loser liberals that will be picked clean of the bone by the hoodies and degenerates.
>>65171100Gitting gud with your CCW is the #1 priority if you're hasguns, everything else is for fun so do whatever tickles your tism :)
>>65171100>what's an AR15 for?Outgunning all the retards buying shotguns for home defense I imagine
>>65171100>I would cowerOn your knees, slave!
>>65172036>" or whatever this animal isThat is a Lycanthrope.
>>65171139>What are the chances of hearing damage from having to defend yourself probably once in your life?100%. It's not that bad. Who cares. I blasted dune coons indoors with a braked mk18 and I hear better than people who have never shot a gun even once.>waaah muh tinnitusI got tetanus and nearly died, it reset it. Maybe try that. If not, fans or free if you steal them.
>>65171139Pressure=louder boomThat's why most 12g buckshot is quieter than 556. Tldr gen 3 19 with subsonic 147gr 9mm is the meta
>>65171625They really are easy mode. AR pistol/sbr with a red dot on top is easy mode out to 150yds. Just point and click. I have a Browing A5 sbs as my primary defensive gun, it's super handy and even without earpro it's tolerable indoors since it's subsonic and doesn't create a dangerous pressure wave.
>>65171100>If there was riots or civil war I would shelter in my houseAnd what would you do when the niggers come to your house?
>>65171100Why are you waiting to 21 to buy a rifle/shotgun? You can do that at 18.
It amazes me the ACOG was around in 1997
>>6517353417 in some jurisdictions
For anything other than larping innawoods/target shooting/hunting (which you don't do and never will) p much yeahStill fun to buy them
