Eurofighter lost to China's J-10CE 9-0
What tranche eurofighters, and under what mock conditions.
>>65172957>Muh magic numbers!Retardation
Add on some flight hours and I bet those chink jets degrade rapidly. Western equipment will always remain superior because western culture is person-oriented/centered
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>>65172955Implessive!
Why are you so butthurt, chink?
>>65172969From the great geopolitics master historian Stephen Kotkin: China lashes out when it feels powerful and it lashes out when it feels weak
>>65172955>China namba waan, China confirms
>south china morning post
>>65172955Were the Eurofighters present in this mock battle?
>>65173007Irrerevant. China numbah WUN!
>>65173046Reminds me of this, where they fall for propaganda no matter how retarded it is
>>65173065kek
niggers acting like 10% better stats on this and that matter, when it's mostly about actual usage and the industry/economies behind the production that matters, is the reason why it's fucking impossible to talk about military hardware on /k/ and internet in general
>>65173113Paper stats, that's the big shortfall of all armchair generals, they put way too much faith in paper stats
>>65173116stats in general don't fucking matter>wow this tank is 5km/h faster, it will win a war by itself>wow this plane is 50km/h faster, it will win a war by itself>wow this bolt-action has 6rounds instead of 5None of this shit matter, what matter as far as stats goes are generational leaps if that even matter in a war which is a complex setting. The French had shit bolt-actions in ww1 vs the German and they won. WW2 had the Garand yet it wasn't the big reason america won and Germany had bigger tanks yet they lost. Funny how "stats" barely fucking matter.The difference between a M1 Garand and a M16 however is massive and a legitimate game changer in the same way smokeless powder was. If you want to keep it to planes, the zero fucked the american planes hard until the USN came out with better tactics. Even tactics are overrated, Germany couldn't win against the Soviets despite early successes, same with Japan in the pacific. What matter is economies and strategies.
>>65173113actually it's about understanding that manned fighter production is welfare and adult daycare. missiles have made fighters irrelevant. Modern IADS have made fighters irrelevant. Autonomous fighters have made fighters irrelevant. Drones have made fighters irrelevant. Standoff munitions have made fighters irrelevant. Fighters are so fucking irrelevant F-35s better serve nations by dropping fries McDonalds instead dropping munitions anywhere near enemy airspace.
>>65173133What causes this retarded all or nothing mindset?If it doesn't single handedly win the war, if it isn't the largest single factor, it doesn't matter? What sort of fucking moron thinks like this?
They won another video game show. Implesive.
>>65172956Tranche 3A with AESABut in all likelihood it was an introductory stage of the exercise in Qatar where the visiting pilots are given favourable conditions in order to help them feel comfortable flying in unfamiliar airspaceSame thing when Chinese pilots flew an exercise in Thailand against Gripen, and India flew an exercise in the UK with Su-30 against TyphoonLater stages of the exercises yield different results.
>>65172955>Eurofighter lost to China's J-10CE 9-0I'm not doubting the result but posting a Hong Kong newspaper under the control of the Chinese Ministry of Propaganda and which is directly owned by an influential Chinese Communist Party member and quoting them quoting mainland Chinese State TV, isn't exactly the highest level of credible proof.
>>65173185Reminds me of when my friend raced his and my car on auto mode in Gran Turismo and then I found out he secretly put a turbocharger on his model lmao
>China Central Television (CCTV) is the national television broadcaster of the People's Republic of China.
>>65172955Implessive
>>65173133The thing about iterative stats is that there are almost always tradeoffs. If your tank is faster then it's probably less well armed or armoured or more expensive. When those tradeoffs work then armchair generals will use them to justify its superiority in hindsight.
>>65173313lmao
>>65172958Implessive
>>65173313>>65173299SCMP used to be an actual independent newspaper that was taken over by the Chinese propaganda factory sometime after the Brits left. now it's a well-known "moderate" propaganda outlet whose main schtick is to pretend to be independent and objective while presenting subtly (or not so subtly) pro-CCP views, attitudes and excusesIt's actually pretty good propaganda, because of how "moderate" and "reasonable" it tries to justify China's foreign policy. the West produces nothing like it in Mandarin.
>>65172955Vely impleassive. Vely ching khu lung
>>65173442>SCMP used to be an actual independent newspaper that was taken over by the Chinese propaganda factory sometime after the Brits leftYeah, I followed the saga for a while. There were the usual promises about independence...and then of course "naturally journalists must follow the law though" to walk that back and now it's just another propaganda rag, though as you say, an effective one.The staff were in a difficult position; some left, some were fired, and others sold their souls.
>>65173458there was a significant minority of Hong Kongers who saw the writing on the wall and opposed handover, especially in the liberal sectors. but they were outnumbered by the pro-China segment, and anyway the Brits were not interested in keeping Hong Kong. if push came to shove they would not have defended it like they did Falklands, even if the HKers voted for independence.the majority thought that they could be a special favoured part of China like Guangzhou or Shanghai is today. and there was a lot of racism involved, a sense of "yeah now chinese will help chinese, fuck the gweilo, what have they ever done for us?"they have now been disabused of these notions. China actually prioritised Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, and Chongqing; and is actually actively destroying Hong Kong by buying up land and pricing out native HKers.so now they know the answer to that question.but it's too late.sorry, but they're reaping what they sowed.
>>65173474>there was a significant minority of Hong Kongers who saw the writing on the wallIt wasn't a minority.Unfortunately, Britain never established democracy in Hong Kong.Even if they had, HK is not self-sufficient and needs drinking water from Guangzhou, aside from everything else.They could technically import food from other countries I guess but water would prevent them from ever being independent of mainland China, no matter how the populace felt.A simple closing of borders and economic/resource blockade, let alone a naval one, would kill Hong Kong.Unfortunately, Hong Kong was always for the rich and they don't give a shit about independence so long as they stay rich which is the promise the CCP made to them. Complicity in exchange for freedom to screw the poor, like every dictatorship everywhere and many democracies.I'm never going to forget when the CCP-installed ruler said in a rigged-election "just think if it was a true democracy and the poor could freely vote! They'd vote not to be poor and that would be terrible for the economy!" or words to that effect.>"If it's entirely a numbers game and numeric representation, then obviously you'd be talking to the half of the people in Hong Kong who earn less than US$1,800 a month," he said in the interview.Can you imagine if the government had to represent poor people!The whole thing was a tragedy but at least it woke up the middle-class of Taiwan.
>CCTV confirmsMay I hear some other sources?
>>65173137There is nothing that singlehandely win a war, you always adapt and overcome. Japs went into ww2 thinking about decisive battles and they had the best torpedo while the Americans had a terrible torpedo; it had an effect on the war but enough to change the course of the war? No. The Yamato class was useless despite being the strongest ship class of the war and even then a single torpedo from a lucky destroyer or submarine could sink a ship. The Hood was sunk by a lucky shot despite having the reputation it enjoyed prior to the war in the royal navy.Same with the Tigers vs Sherman stuff that is overtalked about, who care if your shitbox is better on paper if the maintenance is a nightmare and it will die to planes or fuckers with bazooka. At the end of the day, it still has an impact on the war because it force people to adapt to its strength and weaknesses but by itself it doesn't fucking matter.>>65173360Yes but the stats are also in a context of doctrine. Mobile tanks work best for mobile warfare but maybe that type of warfare is useless because of environmental factors and so you good tanks and even good doctrine is now useless. Some people says quantity is a quality of its own, but even if the Sherman was as costly as a Tiger, America would have still won because it could afford it. No amount of stat compassion and armchair arguing would paint the correct picture here, that the USA has a massive industrial advantage and 2 oceanic walls to protect it from any retaliation while they could bomb the Germans from England. They would have still won with 10% shittier planes and 10% costlier planes.
>>65172958Ironic coming from someone who cant take an elevator to the 13th floor.
>>65172955Which mock battles are those?
>>65172955>mock battle>south china postEat a a tiny yellow cock, OP
>>65173065what is this actually from?
>>65172958>>65173133>>65173134>>65173790brown
>>65172985Joe Pecsi sounding mofo
>>65173800I've heard this since I was a child but the handful of 13+ floor structures I've been in have always had a floor 13. What specific structures if any do not have a floor labeled 13?
>South China morning post
>>65174039>What specific structures if any do not have a floor labeled 13Loads? The Sherry-Netherland Hotel, Trump Tower, Hotel Burnham etc. Otis Elevators estimates that 85 percent of the company’s elevators do not have 13th floor buttons. But many places do have a 13th floor (as in labelled 13th) like Empire State Building. Places often do have a 13th floor but it is labelled 12A or 12B. Some places label the 13th floor as M, meaning Mechanical or Maintenance floor.
>>65172955aren't you doing mock battles wrong if you win?
>>65172955>SCMP
>>65173800you do know some chinese buildings have 3A and not 4 for exactly this reason?of course, the Cultural Revolution did manage to eradicate a lot of these superstitions by brute force
>>65174058>Otis Elevators estimates that 85 percent of the company’s elevators do not have 13th floor buttons.I suspect about 85% of Otis Elevators' elevators are installed in buildings with fewer than 13 floors.
>>65174039>What specific structures if any do not have a floor labeled 13?I've been in a few buildings over the years that skipped 13, it's rarer and rarer though, definitely a boomer superstition. I mean literally the Baby Boomer generation, I think the silent generation didn't take it that seriously and Gen X+ don't care at all.>>65174084>you do know some chinese buildings have 3A and not 4 for exactly this reason?I think I've stayed in Chinese hotels that skipped both 4 and 13.
>>65174038That's half the fun of watching his taped lectures and presentations.
>>65174128>definitely a boomer superstitionSuperstition flourishes in people who don't believe they have any power over what happens to them
>>65174222>Superstition flourishes in people who don't believe they have any power over what happens to themNo, it flourishes in people who don't understand why things happen to them.Skinner Boxes proved that quite comprehensibly.Yes, superstition is about gaining power or agency by performing a ritual that *might* achieve an effect....but it's because they didn't know the mechanisms and guessed blindly, like pigeons in a box trying to make the (randomly timed) food pellet be dispensed on command.If you know why bad things are happening to you and know you can't stop them, you just fall into despair. Saving cognitive resources for some time when maybe it will make a difference again.It takes a combination of powerless and ignorance I guess but it's the ignorance that is the driving force.Boomers weren't college going folk, not to the degree we are today.The internet provides information everywhere, science education is more advanced, and influencers with detailed hour long shows once a week have replaced home chemistry kits and a book trying to make physics equations sound fun.When most people have watched Myth Busters and everyone knows tall science guy, angry science guy and cripple science guy and some of them would even recognise this meme, it's kind of hard to take seriously that the thirteenth floor would have anything special to it other than be a great place for a year-round halloween theme and an excuse to host special events on actual Halloween.Blame spirit halloween and buffy
>>65172955It’s well known the J-10 has better aerodynamics than the Eurofighter (until the AMX at least) but how do the radar and missiles compare?
>>65172955>CCTV confirmslmao
>>65172955oh no political justification to spend more on military R&D
>>65172955The exercise was between Arab inbreds and Paki inbreds.
>>65173292Feels like these idiots got it all backwards. If you're dealing with an unfamiliar threat it should be as unforgiving as possible so you learn. Not a participation award.
>>65175669>Feels like these idiots got it all backwards. If you're dealing with an unfamiliar threat it should be as unforgiving as possible so you learn. Not a participation award.Oh come on, you always need a tutorial level for noobies
>>65175669anon you have no idea what >as unforgiving as possible means in air exercisesyou cannot learn anything at all from being shot down the instant you are in the training area and fight's on
>>65173065The tactical gas block adjustment gets me every time
>Chinese Communist TeleVision confirms China numba wan Lel
>>65172955Its Eurover
>>65174011wantablack
>>65172956>What tranche eurofighters,All of them.
>>65172955>>65172955>Eurofighter lost to China's J-10CE 9-0says chinese communist partyYAWN
>>65172956dog fights, the J-10CE isn't beating a Captor E/MDBA Meteor in BVR under any conditions. it will be 100-0 Eurofighter in real world conditions
>>65176343It literally says it's a chinese state tv claim
No EU nation will fight beside the US ever again unless it is against Russia and Russia is over. There are no reasons for teh EU and China to go to war. They have divided Africa between themselves peacefully while America was run by the kremlin
>>65176496>No EU nation will fight beside the US ever again unless it is against Russia and Russia is over. There are no reasons for teh EU and China to go to war. They have divided Africa between themselves peacefully while America was run by the kremlinProof in one image, nothing more to be said. America did this to themselves.
