The real scout rifle is a suppressed single shot SBR, in particular break-opens that can be stored in a bag like the Henry (and not e.g. falling blocks or rolling blocks). They should also have a 1x-3x prism scope for light weight (I think most people agree Jeff Cooper's "scout scope" was the worst part of his failed meme). A scout, who will mostly be hunting and not engaged in prolonged firefights (but instead utilizing sniper and/or gorilla warfare tactics in the very rare chance he does have to shoot at humans) has no use for a repeating rifle nor needs the compromises that come along with it. A rifle will always be carried at least 99% of the time, and shot 1% of the time. Rifles essentially just like these, without the ability to be packed and without a suppressor (like rolling blocks, muzzleloaders etc) have served frontiersman and homesteaders for centuries just fine. These same people only ended up switching to bolt actions because of military surplus making them cheap and available, not necessarily because they were better for their needs.
>>65173416Amusing Bait.
>>65173467all this board /k/ is any more
>>65173416Any frontiersman would kill you and your dog for an AR-15.
>>65173486True, but this is a fantastical situation and thus not worth considering. The AR-15 was not generally available for civilian use until the late 1950's, long after the American pioneer era had passed. Not only did the single shot cartridge rifle exist a century prior (in the form of the Sharps), it also existed long before the popularization of the bolt-action rifle which is typically chosen as a Scout rife.Thanks for your reply!
>finally a thread I can sort of post inThese are super nice rifles for the price, I had a 308 and it came really high grade tiger stripe walnut (which rivaled the quality on my $1200 miroku model 70), and I have to say Henry really dropped the ball on this. This is basically the only milled steel single shot on the US Market, all the imports like rossi, CVA and even the new TC are all cast frames. They should have also let people buy aftermarket barrels because AFAIK the receiver is identical between all the rifles and even shotguns.
“Gorilla warfare tactics”… gorillas don’t fight wars you stupid doublenigger, they are mostly peaceful
improved version with titanium reflex can
>>65173416>The real scout rifle is a suppressed single shot SBRThe scout didn't fail and your suggestion would get you killed on safari.
>>65173416No, dummy. Cooper's idea of a scout rifle is just a general purpose rifle that has a bigger envelope of application. It's not just a hunting rifle.
>>65173544that sounds something a gorilla would say to lure unsuspecting people over, im on to you you silver furred fuck
>>65173568>safariYou don't go on safaris, I don't go on safaris, no one who posts on this board will ever go on a safari because safaris as you know them do not exist any more. It's all fenced in and on reservations where you shoot an animal that has been watching tourists all its life.I did enjoy Kevin's video where he went on a "safari" and ended up shooting a cape buffalo 3+ times with supers at 50 yards with his 8.6 blackout and it was still running.
>>65173588>general purposeA single shot rifle is capable of sporting, hunting of beasts, and sniping/gorilla warfare against men. What other functions do you need it for? Don't say self defense, because 90% of self defense scenarios happen under 7 yards where a handgun makes far more sense anyway.
>>65173544i agree. gorillas are based. it's mostly just humans that start shit in the world.
>>65173602>A single shot rifle is capable of sporting, hunting of beasts, and sniping/gorilla warfare against men.Wrong.
>>65173726>Wrong.How so? Defend your argument.Do you wish to argue a single shot cannot be used for long range plinking? That it is not accurate enough to hit 8" vital zones at realistic ranges?
>>65173416Even this is more than a scout really needs. Think about it.All you need is a skeletonized .22 folding backpack gun, at least a 3x but preferably a 5x prism, and a suppressor. 22. Is capable of taking out pretty much any north American game, and humans if absolutely necessary. Plus you can carry a lot of it, and it suppresses well. Win win. This would present the smallest, lightest, easiest to transport and conceal weapon package capable of hitting targets up to 300 yds quietly and accurately, while remaining easy to use, maneuverable, and reliable. >pic rel
>>65173760No point in a 22 when you could handload a 44 Mag, 357 Mag or even a 308 down to comparable noise and recoil levels with the appropriate bullets and knowledge
>>65173416If the henry kicked out spent cases I would sort of agree. As it stands the henry requiring you to pull out the spent brass does not bode well for its use as a defensive firearm.
>>65173762Unnecessary compromises. 22 long range is basically the perfect catridge: handloading a larger caliber to comparable velocities just gives you a fat bullet without the flat trajectory or speed and momentum. There's a reason 300 memeout and the like are just that; memes. Additionally, you can't carry as much ammo, and 22 is ridiculously abundant for battlefield pickups or looting old hardware stores.
>>65173826No thanks, I don't want my brass that I'm about to handload flung in the mud to get dirty or lostPulling out the spent casing adds what, half a second at most? If that is what makes the difference in winning a fight then you're definitely in trouble anyway.
>>65173833>what is a brass catchAlso>meme handloadsNgmi
>>65173835>what is a brass catchOh, they make them for single shot rifles? Have never seen one. Can you link it?>meme handloadsIf you aren't handloading you're NGMI
>>65173833I own one, it doubles the reload speed and makes it more finicky than it already was. Maybe it’s because mine is 357 and the brass is smaller than other rifle cases. Not a big deal since it’s my deer rifle.
what doth scouting?
>>65173416The scout rifle failed because it's a pointless concept whose narrow qualifications are circular reasoning constructed to justify its own existence.
>>65173955Does the concept come from a time when battle rifles were kind of doodoo? Because that's the only way a scout rifle as originally imagined makes sense to me. I'm interested in modern ones because a bolt-action in 5.56 that can take AR mags seems fun but IDK that the initial intended chambering of .308 or greater was ever really an answer to a practical question.
>>65174007Kind of. Jeff cooper imagined a rifle that was handy and easy to carry around everywhere because that's what you'd be doing with it most of the time, but was powerful and accurate enough to take any game you needed to. Most people here only know the structly regemented "rules" of a scout rifle because they never actually read the book that detailed them. Jeff gave an example in detail of what he thought would be his ideal scout rifle, but it was always meant to be open to interpretation
>>65174040Also when he was alive, the gun control movement was VERY strong and most other countries imposed restrictions on semi-auto rifles. A good portion of his logic was IMO designing a rifle around these constraints. Thus the action (bolt), caliber of 30 (or higher) to take out any man or game, detachable box mag for more capacity/ease of topping up, and lightweight quick target acquiring scope for easier quick shots. Back then, lightweight precision scopes or LPVO were not perfected yet (e.g. the Mk11 and Mk12 like rifle scopes didn't come out until the late 1990's-early 2000's)
>>65173416Tons of people use his idea of a scout rifle though. Mostly people who hunt in mountainous regions.
Captain Hindsight to the rescue
>>65173495Sooo. If you miss your target, how do you reload while staying on target/adjusting? Sounds annoying.
>>65174243You reload and aim the gun again, sort of like how people killed with firearms for the first ~300 years of their existence.
>>65173599>>65173599We're all LARPers you complete mong retard nigger. Nobody needs anything aside from a cheapo home defence piece. Everything past that is fantasy wish fulfillment and would be better spent on stocks or PMs or whatever faggot shit you think will benefit most from imminent and ongoing hyperinflation. You don't need an ultralite packable scout rifle in case of SHTF because1) nothing ever happens and SHTF is an incoherent pipe dream for losers2) when the grocery shelves are empty all the game will be shot before your retard ass sees a single doe3) you'll be dead anyways because you're a fucking retardBy the way, you can kill anything in north america with a 9mm plastic pistol
>>65174263You're actually arguing in favor of a backpack single shot, even though you're too stupid to realize it.
>>65174280No I'm arguing for a glock or BETTER YET any gun you want and can afford to buy you mouthbreathing faggot
>>65174263>Nobody needs anything aside from a cheapo home defence pieceI guess hunting, something I do yearly, doesn't actually exist. "Need" is one of the stupidest fucking words now, you're not the regulator of other people's choices or what's best for them you totalitarian fucking freak
