Why did the SMO fail?
A mix of overconfidence and pure retardation.
>>65176166Incompetence, overestimation, and shit leadership up the entire chain of command
>>65176166Monke was 100% confident there would be no western support, or that they would win before support could arrive
>>65176166>https://static.rusi.org/202303-SR-Unconventional-Operations-Russo-Ukrainian-War-web-final.pdf.pdfRussia was involved in a major hybrid warfare operation leading up to the start of the invasion. The intent was for their collaborators in the Ukrainian government to paralyze military and political decision making, enabling Russia's relatively small force to quickly seize regional capitals and collapse the Zelensky government. This explains their bizarre behavior in the opening days of the conflict, making a beeline for places like Kyiv and Kharkov without properly securing the surrounding territory; they didn't expect any organized resistance
>>65176166Russia was too weak. The fight was doomed to fail no matter what they did, once they decided to start the war. There's no need to write an essay about it, it boils down to this.
>>65176166Tried to do complex maneuvers like America pulls but with poorly educated, trained and motivated, soldiers, incompetent leaders, and a horrendous military culture.
>>65176199FSB agents that were supposed to be bribing various Ukrainian officials stole most of the money so operation walk right in didn't happen.
Russians are subhuman retards, duh
>>65176166picrelis this article from 1854, or 2024? I can never remember
It is day 1549 of the American Special Military Operation in the de-cartelization of Mexico. The US army had to retreat from the outskirts of Chihuahua. Despite being bombarded everyday since the beginning of the war by Sherman Calliopes, Tijuana was only recently liberated by the brave fighters of the 2nd tanks battalion of the US Marines, fielding the M60 sepV2 edition.The USA continues its terror campaign over mexican cities thanks to the supply of suicide drones by Afghanistan, as it’s too dangerous for the USAF to operate its F-4 Phantoms and F-105 Thunderchiefs above mexican airspace.As per Bloomberg, the US Armys MGM-52 Lance ballistic missile has proved itself to be a "silver bullet" to the Mexican HQ-9 SAM launchers donated by Cuba and Venezuela, allowing for some much needed breathing space for USAF pilots.The deathrow volunteers of the penal bataillon of BlackWater continue their offensive on San Rafael de las Tortillas (185 inhabitants) for the 5th month in a row despite enormous casualties, and successfully recaptured Miguel’s farm for the 8th time.Following the repeated losses from Mexican ballistic missiles and cartel semi-submersible marine drones crippling its forces, the US Navy’s Pacific Fleet doesn’t dare leaving its port in Honolulu.Swarms of Mexican FP-2 "Enchilada" long range strike drones have repedeatly struck Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri with the help of Jamaican intel, as the US MIM-23 Hawk batteries are critically low on ammo due to succeseful mexican strikes on Raytheon manufacturing facilities.From the White House, President for Life George H. W. Bush announced 3 months ago the recruitement of 40’000 mercenary fighters from South Vietnam to support the liberation forces of the Peoples Republic of Baja California, but none have been spotted on the front lines so far.Stay strong! Victory is near!
You don't half ass even seemingly "easy" invasion
>>65176328also I might as well make a tl;dr version:>logistics sucks, in part because infrastructure sucks>endemic corruption results in leadership overestimating the size and capability of their military>although able to endure great hardships, soldiers have no real motivation beyond just trying to not die>internally fragmented by unresolved ethnic divisionsthe true redpill about the russian revolution is that despite all the bloodshed and purges, nothing fundamentally changed
>>65176350>the true redpill about the russian revolution is that there was far too little bloodshed and purgesStalin should have just exterminated the entirety and replaced it with non-mongoloids
>>65176374that's unironically the soviet mentality>The Plan™ is unquestionably perfect; if following it doesn't work out like we hoped, then it couldn't possibly be because The Plan™ was flawed, but because we simply didn't follow it hard enough
>>65176166>demand glorious, inmediate victory, meaning tempo tempo tempo>enemy didn‘t just roll over? surprisedpikachu.jpg>lose like 80% of your decent materiel in the first three months>left with nothing but crushing corruption, soviet milsurp, dysfunctional leadership and endless wave of borderline worthless mobiks>now that you’ve proven yourself to be a pavement ape yurop will happily fund total mobik death for the next decadeMonke winning crimea with barely any resistance unironically caused him to at best stalemate this dumbass war. It shouldn’t have taken longer than 3-6 months if not for retarded shit like endless convoys getting bayraktar’d, pontooning, meme para drops and the like early on, and by the time they realized they’re not going to win this way there wasn’t much left of their initial army.Having your air force be completely worthless aside from lobbing glide bombs isn’t ideal either when you want to larp as a superpower
it's still going strong
>>65176166Insufficient banan stockpiles, and predicted resupply from captured stocks failed to materialize thanks to perfidious Anglo treachery (Boris Jognson personally moved the stockpiles to deep rear areas (no, not like that)).
>>65176501>still goingThat's the failure.
>>65176166(1) Russian army is just bad and didn't go into the war as a war in the first place. The army modernization never really happened and was fake and gay. Since the collapse of the USSR, the high-priority force was the strategic forces and everything else suffered. In a similar manner, Russia had bad growth in the 2010s, halving of dollar incomes, and there were large cuts for the ground forces that hollowed it out without succeeding in transforming it into a lean but ambitious army. Just a lot of bad goals + delusions of imperial grandeur where you had a military budget only around 20% higher than Germany's, but with 4x the number of people, a much bigger fleet and a huge nuke arsenal. Potemkin village basically but they did have a lot of people and grandfathered stockpiles which they wasted.(2) Russia is run by absolute cretins who don't believe in anything and didn't have clear political and military goals. Also historically the Russian/Soviet military (the officer part) was very isolated from the larger society. Way more isolated than any army anywhere. Civilians were totally alien to them. Plus historically conscription was incredibly unpopular with the army being deeply hated, like a tax on people's sons that everyone tried to evade. So people who grew up in that system are old and fat and they still run it and there's a big disconnect between the war goals and politics hence lack of mobilization even though the potential exists.(3) They underestimated Ukrainians who are crazy, like Texans or South Carolinians, by contrast Russians are gay. They're gay weebs. You get conscripted into the Russian army they turn you into a weeb. You are now a weeb. WEEBS GET OUT! https://youtu.be/5CvzbWXn7_U
russian intel is all lies
>>65176374Stalin is who made them even more mongoloid, retard
>>65176166Failed? Russia is literally winning on every front.
>65177056
>>65177056>to build a nationOf cargo cult and gay rape? No wonder everyone prefers the TZD option.>>65177095Cool, which one of the bizzaro worlds do I need to check in with to see that winning?
putin is intentionaly sending his men to die, thats it. no greater goal
>>65176166russia is gayUkranians have bog balls made of freedomthe EU is not a cuckshed like the USA became
>>65177207>noe noe royssia is losing on purpose! that was the plan all along puin on polar bear 4d chess gropnik dance!
>>651770563/10Sorry, that's the best I can do. You have to try a bit more next time.
>>65177225>the EU is not a cuckshed like the USA becameIt's so over honestly
Russia has a land bridge to Crimea now, and the AFU has been reduced to kidnapping meat off the streets. I'd say that the SMO has been successful
One morning Putin woke up and decided to do this to his entire country. I don't know why.
>>65176501At what? Ending Russia as a notable power? Yeah, it sure is heading there.
>>65177267Russia is currently in the proces sof losing that landbridge again. Also it's now udner full fire control by ukrainian drones and fuel shortages are already getting bad in Crimea.>muh kidnappingNah, that's still you Russians projecting your own behaviour, nekulturniy pidor.
>>65177554Is this Japan? I've seen a video where 2 teenage girls did the same thing because they were shamed for being pregnant teens.
>>65176166They launched their air campaign the same day they launched their ground campaign, meaning they went into battle without the ability to conduct combined arms operations. Any sane commander would have bombed Ukraine for a month before sending troops in.
>>65176199>>65176316There were also various officials who took the bribes, kept the money, but also immediately reported to the Ukrainian SBU and didn't actually do anything for the russians when the invasion came
>>65177574Yes she was a Japanese girl.
>>65177225USA gives more military equipment to Ukraine and that's before you net out the EU's billions in cash payments to Russia.
Incredibly bad equipment that they would have been better off walking>>65177584They have no precision munitions so there is no such thing as an "air campaign"
>>65177602>USA gives more military equipment to UkraineLMAO, what's still living in 2024 like?
>>65177608When did Russia invade, bud?
>>65177613Gives is present tense, not past tense.
>>65177617Okay. Let me rephrase. The U.S. GAVE more aid during the decisive phase of the war that preserved Ukraine as a state because it was better positioned to do so. Then Europe got its shit together and took up the slack in a totally rational division of labor as the U.S. turned its attention elsewhere on the world map while Russia was ensnared.
>>65177056you see, russia is losing so that's why we have to aggressively hide any evidence to the contrary.
>>65177637LMAO, no.>>65177630>muh 2023They didn't have full-on interdiction of the whole thign back then. In fact, that was the actual primary goal back then, getting close enough to shut down the highways with FPVs and artillery. Now Ukraine can just do it with longer-ranged drones and starve out the zigger infestation in Crimea and Kherson oblast.>muh busification>muh zigger propaganda site full of faked videosStill russian projection, nekulturniy pidor. Seethe more about it.
>>65177637>the decisive phase of the warWas over before significant US or european aid arrived.>muh division of labourThat's some weird way to describe Trump backstabbing his allies and leaving them hanging out to dry, as he tends to do.
>>65177630
>>65177654So no refute? Nice argument, pussy. Who gave the HIMARS that ate Russian logisitics alive?
>>65177675>muh HIMARSDidn't arrive until the decisive phase had passed. Also your false-flagging isn't subtle, pidor.
>>65177675>he's actually LARPing as an American in a post with English this fucking bad
>>65177663Ukraine never would have gotten Kharkiv-Kupiyansk or Kherson without HIMARS and triple 777s from the U.S. To this day no country has given more to Ukraine than America, and it wasn't America giving billions in gas payments to Russia.
>>65177688There's not a single grammatical error in my post. Eating alive is a common euphemism in American English for totally dominating something or someone.
>>65177704>KhersonYes, correct>KupyanskDebatable>Kharkivlol, see vidrel
>>65177713I meant Kharkiv oblast when they rolled from Izyum to Vochavsnsk (excuse the spelling). Karkhiv city proper was protected by plumbers-crack Ukrainian uncles blasting Chechens.
>>65177709No my little ziggie, you didn't make any technical errors, but your verbiage is still very clearly foreign to my eyes.>So no refute?odd>pussyNot the insult most Americans would use here, reads a lot more like a middle easterner or south asian>Who gave the HIMARSThis is the string that is most alien, I don't think I've ever heard someone (American) say "Who gave [thing]" unless it was immediately followed by "to [person/thing]?" There are better and more natural words than "gave" if you're not following up with that.>ate Russian logistics aliveThis figure of speech is virtually always used by itself, "eaten alive" or with a pronoun, "eating me alive"In conclusion, fuck off thirdie zigger
>>65177729I hate to burst your overly-analytical bubble, but I'm a filthy burger. Happy to prove it to you to your satisfaction.
>oblastposting >in 2026
>>65176328Ah its still good
>>65177630>ignore failure of 2023 offensyivNigger do you want me to list all the far more disastrous puccian offensives since then? Why do you think your brown shill friends stopped mentioning it after Kharkiv?
>>65177729>>So no refute?>oddThat's not just odd, it's outright wrong. Refute is a verb, the correct word would be refutation.
>>65177777Nice quints, but holy fuck you're parsing my English with a fine tooth comb rather than engaging with the substance of what I'm saying.
>>65177790Because you're making an obvious logical fallacy? You're attempting to use years-past support as a sign of value in the present day. Yeah our support was great at that point and Ukraine was well on its way into the American sphere of influence, until Trump and his cadre of retards torpedoed the whole thing for no reason. We have provided zero support since early 2025 and the admin has even tried to roll back support pledged by the previous admin. It's pretty fucking clear that we're no longer relevant for Ukraine's defense and that fact is embarrassing.
>>65177837forgot to say btw, I was not the anon you were replying to
>>65177837>>65177843That's not true though. The U.S. has continued to provide arms sales via PURL and very valuable intelligence to Ukraine. Is it less than Biden? Yes. But not nothing and still meaningful. Moreover, is Trump's policy worse for Ukraine in reality? That's not clear either. When Ukraine was beholden to U.S. aidn you had Blinken and that snake Sullivan telling Ukraine to take it easy. Now Ukraine is off the leash and the U.S. has plausible deniability.Nonetheless my original post was based on two facts: 1) no country has given more military aid than America, and 2) Europe sent billions in gas payments to Russia, and one normative proposition: Europe can and should shoulder more of the burden for defending Europe.
>>65177883>>65177790You posted a link to, of all things, a zigger site about the "forced mobilization" videos (which are just normal arrests and/or SBU arrests of wartime collaborators)It's a 'muh biolab' tier schizo theory that is only perpetuated by retards and zigger shills. So if you're one of those, why would anyone take you seriously?
>>65178051>I hate America and want them out of all world affairs forever >:(>NO WAIT NOT THOSE AFFAIRS THAT AFFECT ME AIIIIIIIIIEEEEEE HELP ME BURGERMANGod I'm glad the US is just a local power now. Low expectation town here we come. Europe can choose their new overlord at will.
>>65178051I didn't post that link or the retarded greentext in Indian speak, anon.Theres are me:>>65177602>>65177613>>65177637
>>65178051>a zigger site about the "forced mobilization" videos (which are just normal arrests and/or SBU arrests of wartime collaborators)Bruh, I hope you get paid for this shit.
>Bruh, I hope you get paid for this shit.
>>65176166They thought they could just walk right in and anybody who would have told them otherwise either thought better of it or got silenced.Once the reality hit, they've been moving goal posts and scrambling to throw dirt on fires ever since.
>>65177584That wouldn't have really worked for his whole blitz the country before the west can mobilize idea. I mean his idea was also retarded but a 1991 style 100 days of bombing before crossing the zero line type thing wouldn't have worked. Also the Ukranians had a pretty big air force and a shit load of SAMs and the Russians are even more incompetent at SEAD/DEAD than most other tasks so there was a high likelihood that just would have ended with a basically destroyed zigger air force
>>65178056lol, lmao even
>>65178324this was only halfway through the battle btw
>>65178317>I mean his idea was also retarded but a 1991 style 100 days of bombing before crossing the zero line type thing wouldn't have worked. Not least because he was vehemently insisting he had no intention to send the "military exercise" troops over the border, even after reports of blood banks being brought to forward bases came out.
I didn't hear no bell
>>65178436Weren't there Russian troops already in Ukraine that STILL didn't know they were invading?
>>65178441Think there was some VDV that didn't get told they were in Ukraine until they where like 3/4's deep into the country and oh yeah, by the way we're going to take an airport.All the ziggers in the convoy didn't know shit, much less what was happening until they started running out of fuel, food, water and missiles started ripping them to bit. Officers knew, but the Russian officer's privilege is that he is given subhuman goblins and in no way obliged to do anything for them
>>65178441Yeah, some of the ziggers captured in the first few days of the war claimed that they didn't know they had crossed the border into Ukraine and that they had no idea what was really going on.They could have been telling the truth, they could also have been lying in an attempt to get more favorable treatment as prisoners.
>>65176335>tfw pinned down in a trench full of shit and corpses for days hiding from enchilada drones
>>65177637Trump cut off all aid and Kenseth is stalling deliveries of weapons Europe's already paid for. The us is no longer an ally
>>65177267>ukranian drones smacking into russian oil refineries nearly un-impeded 4 years into the 'SMO'fucking implessive, I am now so demoralised that I will send a petition to dissolve NATO at once and have all of europe surrender to clear russian might
Ngl I’m just happy when I see pidors die en-masse, which is pretty much daily now
>>65178641Dear Europe,Israel must come first. I'm sure you understand. Germany will back us up on this.
>>65178759I did, I astral projected in my dreams
>>65178795>I'm a psyopped brown faggotFTFY
>>65178795Sadly there is no cure for profound retardation.
>>65178795Ah yes, Mathieu Dubois from Marsellie oblast
>>65178759To the front you go, vasily! Your designated /k/ubing is soon!
>>65178555>>65178626This wasn't a lie btw, it was something said by multiple captured men from different units who weren't in contact with one another. It wasn't universal though.Some of the lower ranked officer POWs also claimed it but that's a lot more suspect
>>65176166Because of the same reason why Epic Fury failed. They underrestimated the opponents will to fight and hoped they would surrender at first contact. Both were wrong and got a black eye.
>>65178633Every time they capture footage of someone exploding, a chink posts on Bilibili:>"That's a spicy enchilada!"
>>65178051>(which are just normal arrests and/or SBU arrests of wartime collaborators)A lot of them are just outright staged by the ziggers. It gets kinda obvious when you watch a batch and do some critical thinking about what's going on there.>>65178230Getting paid for speaking the truth and dunking on retarded subhumans like (You) sounds like a sweet deal. Unfortunately, it's yet again jsut you subhuman shills projecting, as per usual.
>>65178056In zigger propaganda fantasies, that is.Reminder that even "the offensyiv" at its worst time saw 3-5 ziggers slaughtered for every ukrainian casualty. And that this rate was judged unacceptable, leading to it being stopped.
>>65178759>obsession about troons outta nowhereWow, we got a real steppe barbarian here.
>>65178073Low expectations and global irrelevance is actually comfy as shit.t. Dane
>>65178927Comparing the SMO to Iran is retarded and disingenuous, and you know it.
>>65178641Okay, what does that have to do with anything I said? The U.S. turned its attention elsewhere because Europe can and should be shouldering the burden here. Also Ukraine was NEVER a U.S. ally: it's a complete lie to say it was. No president of either party ever wanted it in NATO, and it's not entitled to unlimited free aid from America.And BTW Trump was right. The war has been going better for Ukraine since the U.S. took a step back. When the U.S. is the main backer, Ukraine's strikes into Russia look more like American provocations so Biden was extremely hesitant to allow Kyiv to strike deep into Russia, even with non American weapons. No Ukraine has a stock of long range drones that far exceed the token numbers of weapons they would have received from the U.S. and is buttfucking Russia. And America can just play dumb while providing ISR under the table. I have no idea why this isn't a preferable situation to Biden drip-feeding aid while simultaneously tying Kyiv's hands.
>>65179159Spending all those long range munitions and interceptors, getting all the bases hit, was all according to plan and not because POTUS thought that killing their supreme leader would have lead to a quick collapse similar to Venezuela that could be achieved in a single weekend?
>>65179173>No president of either party ever wanted it in NATO, and it's not entitled to unlimited free aid from America.True, that is reserved only for Israel lol
>>65179197That still doesn't make it remotely close to the SMO. A plan not achieving maximal success in a weekend doesn't mean it was a disaster on the scale of the SMO. American officials also said from Day 1 fighting would take multiple weeks.I'm fine for constructive criticism, but some people have such an intense, almost feminine, hatred of Trump they fail to examine basic facts or engage in critical thinking. Instead it's just pithy slogans that read like the NYT comment section.
>>65179207And, S.K., Japan, Saudia Arabia, Australia, and a bunch of other major-non-NATO allies. Not really sure of your point. The U.S. isn't allowed to do anything else on the map if it isn't the best thing for Ukraine? I don't really get this logic.
>>65179220>And, S.K., Japan, Saudia Arabia, AustraliaAre you from the Bizzaro World? USA has suspended weapons deliveries all over because of the Iran war. They've just announced that Japan will not be getting their Tomahawks. https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/us-indefinitely-suspends-tomahawk-japan
>>65179235What does that have to do with anything I said? It doesnt make Japan not an ally. They still fall squarely under American protection. There are tens of thousands of troops and an entire CSG posted in Japan.
>>65178324the number of utterly disastrous battles for Russia in this war is astounding.
>>65179252What *are* you even trying to say? If the US gave those weapons to Ukraine, they would have done something useful with them. Instead, they were wasted in a humiliation ritual for the sake of Israel.
>>65179280That's a false equivalency. Those tomahawks were never going to Ukraine. Using them to buttfuck Iran was a perfectly acceptable use.
Its crazy to me that we've only seen one mutiny from the Russian forces (If we can even consider Wagner being a integral part of Russain forces).The opening days/weeks of the war looked like chaos, i couldnt imagine how it was on the ground for Ukrainians. That said, its crazy that Russia has been able to capture only one oblast capital in the opening days (and losing it a few months later kek) despite the gaps that AFU couldnt control. A rapid assembled territorial/CITY defense unit was able to stop the great Russian army in its tracks.In the first hour of the invasion, it seemed like Ukraine was cooked. But as soon as there were reports of Hostomel being retaken, it was over. Russia shouldve pulled out then and there.So, SMO failed because of Russian incompetence and Ukrainian willingness to resist and adapt to the chaotic situation and (seemingly) superior enemy, reducing it to its peer within weeks kek.
>>65179300>Those tomahawks were never going to UkraineWhy not? If Trump says "send this or that weapon to Ukraine" - who's gonna stop him?>Using them to buttfuck Iran was a perfectly acceptable use.The irony here is that when Trump rejected the delivery of Tomahawks to Ukraine, he claimed that US cannot spare them because the stockpiles are limited. Now he says that US has a lot of Tomahawks and thus wasting them on Iran isn't an Issue.
>>65179320I don't see the inconsistency. There were enough excess Tomahwaks to go after Iran or arm Ukaraine, not both. Ukraine has access to domestic and European long-range PGMs and nobody going after Iran did. Not to mention the sticky issue of how Ukraine was going to deploy and launch them in effective strikes packages.
>>65179340>There were enough excess Tomahwaks to go after Iran or arm Ukaraine.First off, obviously there weren't, because countries that paid for them will now have to wait for ages to actually get them. But the main issue here (and this is actually another parallel with the SMO) is that USA wasted weapons stockpiled for the "big war" on a country with GDP lower than Alabama.
>>65179340What exactly did those Tomahawks achieve in Iran and how are those achievements important enough that we had to eat into our goodwill by preventing and delaying already agreed weapons sales to our allies?
>>65179354What Big War? If there's a war that big, its flow not stock that matters, and let's be real, it's going nuclear anyways. Blowing up Iranian missile and drone factories and nuclear sites is a perfectly acceptable use of Tomahawks. Maybe they matter for deterrence, but the U.S. has plenty of other means to deter China. We are in agreement that weapons production needs to be supercharged, which is a Trump administration priority.
>>65179366They blew up critical military and nuclear infrastructure that was being used by the world's number one sponsor of state terrorism.
>>65179373>its flow not stock that mattersStock obviously *does* matter when you deplete it in a few weeks.>Blowing up Iranian missile and drone factories and nuclear sites is a perfectly acceptable use of Tomahawks.It would be an acceptable use of Tomahawks if it accomplished a strategic goal, which it did not. If the point is just to "bomb shit", that's what bombs are for.> Maybe they matter for deterrenceThe countries that aren't getting the ones they paid for certainly seem to think so!
reminder iran killed 120 thousand protestors because they didnt want to live under an islamic regime
>>65179303Mutiny requires a few key ingredients, but none more key than "living for more than 12 days on average".Sustained high attrition would normally prompt some degree force disintegration, but the unique combination of "hyper-churn" within RU assault forces coupled with the move towards small-infiltration-groups organizationally guarantees this cannot happen. They simply don't live long enough, in large enough groups, to facilitate the conditions for mutiny. They also increasingly cannot advance nor hold for shit, but that's a side-effect of the arrangement.
>>65179387How can you say they haven't accomplished a strategic goal? Iran's military capacity is heavily degraded and will take decades to recover. It's the third most powerful U.S. adversary and sits on crucial global trade nexus.And since the original argument was about giving the tomahawks to Ukraine, I fail to see how giving them to Ukraine, who'd use them to blow up FSB bases and refineries that they already can hit with their drones would further any strategic interest of the U.S. either.
>>65179405>Iran's military capacity is heavily degraded and will take decades to recover.Yeah, their capacity is so degraded that Trump is now forced to negotiate a humiliating ceasefire agreement to stop Iran from threatening the world's shipping and energy economy.>strategic interest of the U.S.If the choice is between not furthering any strategic interest of the U.S by helping Ukraine defeat Russia, and not furthering any strategic interest of the U.S by *not* defeating Iran, I think the choice is clear, no?
>>65176166>Logistics are total dogshit >Can't do full mobilization because it would be politically unpopular and collapse an economy already facing massive labor shortages >Officer corps are either brazenly corrupt and/or clinically retarded >Morale is low due to draftees literally getting assraped by the volunteer enlisted >Don't play to your military's strengths and instead insist on a combined arms doctrine that you've always sucked ass at because of the above >Can't pull units from other parts of the country or CIS members because that might invite China et al. to start making land grabs>Only hope is that the Ugrainians run out of men and drones before you do
>>65179394That's way too high a number but at least its physically possible unlike other bullshit numbers jews have made up. I would love to make that number look like a drop in the bucket by glassing all of Iran and Israel so don't think I care about the lives of shitskins regardless of their politics, but 100k deaths due to political suppression in a relatively short time is hard to swallow given that there really isn't precedent for such a crackdown.8t kikes8t mudslimes8t chinks8t libtards8t cuckservatives8t anyone darker than milkkill'em allsimple as
>>65177588Nta, but that's a tragedy, she was cute.
>>65179416The U.S. has already helped Ukraine fight Russia to a stalemate. Tomahawks would not change the balance of power in that conflict. You're really a strange duck, you seem to have an appropriate disdain for Russia yet a weird admiration for the IRGC that you buy all their propaganda. Hiding in caves shooting at merchant ships isn't winning . Especially after decades of investment in proxies and military industrial complex (at the expense of potable water in Tehran) have been blown up in the span of a few months. Iran has just eaten these body blows and is now negotiating for status quo anti where it will have a dramatically weakened hand. Not to mention their is still a live possibility they give up their nuclear material, although I'm skeptical they will without additonal strikes.
>>65177574>low as fuckbirthrate>kids get preggars and likely get gibs>forces them to get jobs right away rather than go into debt in bullshit U only get get an underpaying 60 hour(20 unpaid) office drone jobWouldn't getting preggars be the best thing for a jap at this point?
>>65179416Why does every IRGC cheerleader think that Iran's going to snap back to form after inking a deal with the US, the country's economy is dead to the point that they import food and they're running out of potable water.
>>65179463It is, but anything out of the ordinary is ridiculed in their society. People will talk about you if you're pregnant in high school. They just couldn't handle it.
>>65179462Trashing the Russian economy actually does change the balance of power in the conflict, much more so than Ukrainians trashing another throng of disposable vatniks. >it will have a dramatically weakened hand. Again, the question here is whether we are talking strategic or not. For example, Iranian proxies being severed from Irainian support would be a strategic accomplishment, but is that on the table? Nope. And it's the same with everything. The issue never was "Iran is going to get a nuke tomorrow and fire it a Washington or whatever", it was that Iran *potentially* could do that. And that doesn't change. So, fail.
>>65179382>They blew up critical military and nuclear infrastructureHow so, given that both the irnaian military and nuclear program appear to have remained intact?
>>65179423its crazy how much of a goblin prygo looked like>is jewishchecks out
>>65179489>How so, given that both the irnaian military and nuclear program appear to have remained intact?They dont appear to have remained intact.
>>65179405>Iran's military capacity is heavily degraded and will take decades to recover.LMAO, that cope is something not even CENTCOM and the CIA believe in enough to keep pretending anymore.>It's the third most powerful U.S. adversary and sits on crucial global trade nexus.And now it effectively has seized control of that nexus outright due to all this, and the US seems completely incapable of stopping them.>defeating IranYeah, well, the US seems to be failing entirely at that. To such a degree that the attempt has strategically backfired.>>65179477Well they now have a strait to tax, which is set to effectively double their government revenue year-on-year once it's fully re-opened. Then add on sanctions removal, return of their frozen assets and what's effectively reparation payments...
>>65179489>>65179498Depends what you mean by "critical". For example, the Iranian missile stockpile seems to be mostly intact, which might be a bit of an issue?https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/07/iran-missiles-war-cia/
>>65179498They sure do, though. Not even CENTCOM and the CIA are denying it anymore. You appear to be coping, seething and dilating extremely hard, to still be clinging to this dleusion.
>>65179510launch graphs say otherwise. >>65179511>Not even CENTCOM and the CIA are denying it anymore.HUGE if true. Link?
>>65179506>Well they now have a strait to tax,What tax? Strait is closed, sweetie.
>>65179488The proxies are severed. You'll notice the Houthis have done nothing once the checks stopped clearing in February. Hamas is dead, Hezb is getting fucked, Jolani kicked the militias out of Syria, and even Iraq moved against Iranian proxies so badly they fled into Iran and are now pulling security for the IRGC against Iranian citizens. Additionally Iran's progress and breakout time towards a nuke have been seriously hampered. Their entire strategy was to build a conventional shield to prevent getting hit. They spent hundred of billions on it, and lost trillions more in opportunity cost. Not to mention losing their navy and their entire leadership. It's been a disaster for Iran by any metric. They have a sympathetic ear in left-leaning western media for whatever reason, but good PR isn't winning.
>>65179212Considering the administration's consistent dishonesty (remember that we "totally annihilated" Iran's nuclear program a year before?) I don't really trust their justifications nor claimed results. And there's just zero evidence that this latest attack did anything except let Israel be greedy little landgrabbers and fuck Americans over in the process.
>>65179517>inb4 he posts a wapo or nyt article citing an anonymous official
>>65179524>Considering the administration's consistent dishonestyWhat dishonesty? >remember that we "totally annihilated" Iran's nuclear program a year beforeWe did
>>65179524Post Ayatollah
>>65178056AAHHHAHAHAHAAAThat is a good one, anon.
>>65179521>The proxies are severed. You'll notice the Houthis have done nothing once the checks stopped clearing in February. Hamas is dead, Hezb is getting fuckedYep, like I said, bizzaro world. I don't know if you noticed, but the new proposed agreement prohibits Israel from attacking Lebanon, which means that Hezbollah will survive and re-arm. And Hamas - remember that agreement US supposedly negotiated, where Hamas was to disarm and transfer governance to a civilian government? Yeah, you don't hear much about that these days, do you? I'll give you the Houthis, though it's possible that Iran is keeping them as "ace in the hole">It's been a disaster for Iran by any metric. Yes, yes, yes, they've lost everything and yet Trump is forced to negotiate on their terms. You keep believing what you want to believe, I guess.>>65179533>We didY'know, if Iran can somehow resurrect its entire nuclear program in like six months, US might as well just pack it up.
>>65178795>i am a demoralized psyopped homosexualgo to russia and get raped and shot by chechens like other russian supporters you pussy LMAO.
>>65179561What agreement? There's no agreement yet. Right now Iran is letting more and more ships through Hormuz because China told them to while the U.S. strangles their entire economy.The fact you look at Hamas and Hezb and think they're in good shape is fucking hilarious. But I guess I'm not used to turd wolder definitions of success.
>>65177709fucking lmao
>>65179659We resolved it last night. Not a zigger, just drunk watching playoff hockey.
>>65179521Israeli chuds win again
>>65179561>Y'know, if Iran can somehow resurrect its entire nuclear program in like six months, US might as well just pack it up.Enriched Uranium is buried but not totally destroyed. Nuclear programs have massive supply-chains which were not fully destroyed in the initial strikes. The last round of strikes destroyed their nuclear cottage industries and generally degraded their conventional forces (so that its easier to strike them again if we have to). >Yes, yes, yes, they've lost everything and yet Trump is forced to negotiate on their terms. They have, objectively, suffered staggering losses. In terms of negotiations, you would have to be exceptionally biased to say Trump is negotiating on their terms. They are presently under a full blockade.
>>65179533>We didThen what's the point of attacking them without an intention of total regime change? Why are we content to shoot the hornet's nest with an air rifle, declare we won, show back up to continue shooting it, declare we won again, and then be so afraid of stings that we refuse to just destroy the nest? That just makes us sound like incompetent and cowardly retards.
>>65177630>yes trust my unsourced website, Ukraine will fall any day now
>>65179719>Then what's the point of attacking themsee >>65179714>Why are we content to shoot the hornet's nest with an air rifle, declare we won, show back up to continue shooting it, declare we won again, and then be so afraid of stings that we refuse to just destroy the nest?Because we reduced the size of the nest significantly and getting involved to remove the entire nest would mean another generation-long forever war which the current administration promised to never start again.
>>65179724My main issue is that this administration insisted that we shoot the proverbial hornet's nest while drunk and dressed in shorts and sandals, without warning our neighbors whose front door is right next to the nest, and while insisting that the wife pointing out that he's getting stung and should have prepared better is fucking stupid, and that those are just mosquito bites.
>>65179423>Can't pull units from other parts of the country or CIS members because that might invite China et al. to start making land grabsDidn't they eventually rescind that?
Russia is doing It too btw
>>65179739Please shut the fuck up, smoothbrain. You know nothing about war or the complexities of defending a battles pace the size of continental Europe. Here's a map with the entirety of Ukriane for reference so you can stop being so gay and stupid.
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>>65179462>Hiding in caves shooting at merchant ships isn't winningGiven how effective it is at fucking the world economy, it certainly isn't losing.The US failed to appreciably stop Iran from doing anything that really mattered.>status quo anti Status que after initiating a conflict The goal was not to blow up Iranian stockpiles, which was of debateable effectivness anyways, it was to stop or severly hinder their nuclear program and ideally make them end as a threat to the region in general at least, and apparently Trump wanted actual regime change, while the Israels probably wanted Iran's total collapse. None of this happened. Yes, Iran has been hurt. Yes, it will take a long time for the regime to recover, if it ever will. Maybe it will even collapse. But this was not a stunning success of US military might, it was a mess that was obviously poorly planned. Trump obviously wanted a quick, obviously victorious war and was mentally boosted by Maduro, and this simply has not happened.Threatening shipping is actually quite effective when it's one of the most, if not THE most, important shipping lanes in the entire world.>>65179533>We didHaving to continually fight and bomb to stop the Iranians from getting nukes is not a very optimal state to be in.
>>65179829So flustered you forgot your pic lmao
>>65179845>Status que after initiating a conflictshows me for trying to type something in after typing the rest.status quo anti after initiating a conflict is not usually a large victory. sometime's it's still a victory, but it was obvious that more was planned for this.
>>65179845Im sorry, wiping out their leaders, getting air superiority in a matter of days, sinking their navy, destroying their air force, and all their sensitive military sites is "winning." The fact the IRGC is willing to bomb neutral countries and shoot at merchant ships in a Strait the U.S. doesn't use fails to change the situation.The U.S. is literally making money every day the Strait is closed.
>>65179839Now show us the Mercator projection.
>>65179845>Given how effective it is at fucking the world economy, it certainly isn't losing. A nation-state reduced to banditry is, in fact, losing decisively
>>65179871Why it's already scaled?
>>65176695>Russia had bad growth in the 2010sHmm wonder what caused thatSurely yoinking part of ukraine (with 0 casualties) and then making some "separatists" stir some shit leading to international sanctions had nothing to do with thatIn hindsight 2014 was the best time for a full scale invasion of ukraine and they'd have pulled it off with a thousand KIA at mostWould have forced EU nations to get their shit together much sooner
>>65179866>Im sorry, wiping out their leaders, getting air superiority in a matter of days, sinking their navy, destroying their air force, and all their sensitive military sites is "winning.This is not winning because it is not what was actually intended. The war was meant to be over now. The war was meant to end with Iran permanently (or long enough) defanged. This has not happened.Yes, Iran is hurt, decently badly, but they are still capable of making strikes that matter and this is not going to actually end anything soon. Them not sinking US ships or killing appreciable numbers of US personnel isn't really relevant when they're still putting the hurt on US allies and the global (US-aligned) economy. Iran could never straight up 'beat' the US conventionally in a situation like this, them locking down the strait was always a bad-case scenario (it isn't at the worst case, which would be them razing Saudi oilfields and infrastructure).>The fact the IRGC is willing to bomb neutral countries and shoot at merchant ships in a Strait the U.S. doesn't use fails to change the situation.The Strait of Hormuz being closed and fucking over the world and US allies is absolutely a major factor, yes.>The U.S. is literally making money every day the Strait is closed.Who is the US? This war doesn't benefit me. I support intervention and think Iran was out of control, but the way these strikes have played out has not been good. It solves nothing - at the absolute best, assuming everything you say is true, it's just can-kicking, unless the regime keels over after this.
>>65180670>Yes, Iran is hurt, decently badly,Note that what affects the average Iranian and what affects the Regime are two different things, as the latter is more than willing to cannibalize the former. This is why strikes on Iran must be completely decisive, because they will survive, if not necessarily recover, from quite a lot. And these strikes simply were not decisive enough.Also: freedom of navigation being curtailed is bad for the US, given this was our policy for the past century or so, and is what we built the world economy on.
>>65176166>Why did the SMO fail?Russia and competence are two words that have never been found on the same page.
>>65179533>What dishonesty?Wilful blindness is not a virtue, anon.>We didSo how come it wasn't annihilated and even the CIA and CENTCOM agree that it wasn't?
>>65179521LMAO, so now you're jsut making shit up wholesale. Protip: Iraw hasn't done jack fucking shit, except openly tell Turmp that they aren't going to do jack fuckign shit because those iranian proxies literally outmatch their regular army.>muh entire navyAnd yet somehow their navy is stil ltakign part in succesfully closing the straits>muh entire leadershipAnd yet somehow their coutnry doesn't seem leaderless at all.You're just turbo-coping at this point, all while Iran is objectively winning the war. They've always had the ability to take the strait. They never did because they werne't confident in it. Now you pushed them into doing it, and gave them a massive strategic boon.
>>65179866>wiping out their leadersSeems to have failed to avchieve anything.>air superioritySeems to have achieved absolutely nothing of strategic meaning.>sinking their navySeems to have resulted in that navy taking part in their succesful control of the strait.>all their sensitive military sitesOkay, now you're just being outright delusional and even openly contradicting the US military itself.>The fact the IRGC is willing to bomb neutral countriesAmerican co-belligerents housing american troops are not neutral by any remotely sane definition of the term.>in a Strait the U.S. doesn't useThe current US economy fundamentally relies on ~100 merchant ships using that strait every single day without interruption. >The U.S. is literally making money every day the Strait is closed.Okay, so that explains how you're this delusional: You're just an economically illiterate retard, to such a degree that you are outrigh confident in your utter ignorance and retardiation. Hint: The US is LOSING enormous amounts of money every day the strait is closed. No, fucktard, US oil companies making more money does not actually mean the nation makes more money. Increased oil and energy cost means increased EVERYTHING cost, for everybody. You'll be paying $8 at the pump before the year is out at this rate, and Trump will tell you to like it.
>>65179498The only evidence there is that Iran was pursuing a nuclear weapons program is Bibi telling his golems “trust me bro”. The CIA and the NSA both are on record saying that there is no evidence that Bibi’s claims were credible. It’s one of the reasons why Tulsi was pushed out, the NYT had an article this week documenting that she had testified to this effect to Congress on both the eve of Midnight Hammer and Epstein Fury.
>>65180828>The current US economy fundamentally relies on ~100 merchant ships using that strait every single day without interruption.and the Iranian drone and missile attacks mysteriously stopped for no reason whatsoever
>>65180860Well that and the Iranians themselves saying they were.
>>65180980The only proof of Saddam’s second chemical weapons army was his telephone conversations with his generals.What they say isn’t evidence.
>>65180989If lying gets your balls slapped it’s an important lesson about lying.If you’re not lying, then your balls deserve slapping.Simple as.
>>65180828>The current US economy fundamentally relies on ~100 merchant ships using that strait every single day without interruption.lmao what the fuck is this nonsense? >Okay, so that explains how you're this delusional: You're just an economically illiterate retard, to such a degree that you are outrigh confident in your utter ignorance and retardiation. Hint: The US is LOSING enormous amounts of money every day the strait is closed. ??????????????
I can't remember the guys name, but after being embarrassed in Georgia the Russians brought a staunchly anti-corruption guy in to reorganize their military.>lol, anti-corruption in muh russiaEven the Kremlin recognized it was a shit show. This is why we have the Rosgvardiya nowadays, because giving a few dozen little loyalists their slice of the pie stops making sense when you're allocating tanks to your air force. We have made new tanks, so now we need to give our air force these new tanks because everybody needs to know their loyalty is appreciated, logistics be damned.So yeah, they reorganized, reformed and combined shit in an attempt to make things actually work. The Syria operation was a great success at the time, hinting that these reforms were bearing fruit. That's where most of my knowledge ends, so I guess there's just inherent flaws to a dictatorship that stops them from having an effective militaryExample: You cannot completely control everybody all of the time, so keep the most loyal aspects of your military strong whilst weakening everyone else
>>65180828What circumstances must a man be raised in to become an adult this fucking stupid and gullible?
Already back to that again?
>>65180980Witkoff and Kushner don’t have the technical knowledge to understand what they were told, and basically invented this claim out of whole cloth. The TNRC and its 20% fuel rods, that Witkoff couldn’t let go of, are not a proliferation threat, compared to the 440 kg of 60% enriched UF6 (source of the 11 bomb number, though it’d need further refining first) that Iran was offering to give up for sufficient concessions, though Witkoff and Kushner were also so bad at diplomacy that they didn’t recognize the offer that was being made. Iran refusing to stop domestic enrichment of fuel for the TNRC when Witkoff offered to have the US supply the fuel for the reactor isn’t weird either, the Iranians had no reason to believe that the supply would be consistent, reliable, and not subject to unilateral fuckery like their last nuclear anti proliferation agreement with the US.
>>65180995Make sure the retard you are sack tapping doesn’t have a used needle in his fly, and also make sure that you’re not the retard who can’t understand what’s being said.
>>65181744>fallback_screenshot
Very organic thread.
>>65180949>no reasonYou mean other than having become unnecessary, as iranian control of the strait is now an established fact? What's suppsoed to be "mysterious" about that, exactly? A fucking 5-year-old could figure this one out in a minute.>>65181001>lmao what the fuck is this nonsense? It's claledo bjective relaity. I know, it cna be a hard comncept to grasp for delusional retards who don't understand the first thing about even the most basic economic matters.>>65181147I don't know, why don't you ask him?
