Why is it like that though?
>>65176457politics. autistic jap politics specifically.
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>>65176457they are an island
>>65176457Uhm akshaully the Imperial Japanese Military had an Army AirForce and a Naval Air service they did not have a dedicated Aerial warfare branch in their military.
>>65176457Well, Navy pilots couldn't make an accurate after-action report if their Empire depended on it (it did), and their sub crews couldn't be bothered to try rescuing downed pilots or attacking Burger convoys because "Muh battrefierd honor!!!", their anti-air and ASW abilities were entirely theoretical, there was enough infighting within the IJN to match the Army-Navy hatred, and the whole thing was capped with supergigaultratism battleships that did nothing but sink.Seems like tards all the way down.
>>65176457>Imperial Japan>Air ForceNo such thing.
>>65177610Correct; it was mostly an assortment of flying hibachis.
>>65176868And the Marines were more directly integrated under the Navy, giving them their own army, while the army had their own landing craft, amphibious assault ships, submarines, and aircraft carriers.
>>65177600Yes. But the IJN didn't have low ranking officers unilaterally declaring abd waging war in China without the government's permission, leading to the US sanctioning Japan and eventually to Pearl Harbor. EVEN THEN, the Army attacked British Malaya a few hours BEFORE Pearl Harbor, dragging Japan into war against Britain before with the US.
It all worked out okay in the end.
>>65177600>>65177740If Japs were so shit, why did they absolutely roflstomp the Brits in Asia and also the Americans initially.When the Brits had to retreat from Malaysia they took 13:1 losses against Japs who had to take the offensive over large supply lines. In Burma, it was only the Chinese, coming to rescue the Brits who actually put a temporary stop to the rout and inflicted meaningful losses on the Japs early on.
>>65177740>IJN didn't have low ranking officers unilaterally declaring and waging war in China without the government's permissionThe IJN did participate in the Shanghai Incident in 1932, although that incident was caused by a falseflag orchestrated by the Kwantung Army.
>>65177769Even retards can win the first rounds against unprepared opponants.
>>65177765>MacArthur's staff arrive at the Imperial Palace (1945, colorized)
>>65177769Yeah i was going to say the IJA handed the worst defeats ever to the British and American armies, but the IJN got ditch slapped in less than 7 months by a PacFlt operating on about 1/3 it's expected prewar strength. The IJA seems much more effective than the IJN to me
>>65177600Plus you had things like the Rape of Manilla being commanded by the former captain of battleship Kirishima, so they don’t even get points for not committing as horrific of atrocities
>>65176457>>65177600>>65177740>Our understanding of the Pacific war remains wedded to an interpretation that casts most of the blame for the outbreak upon the behavior of the Rikugun, which pushed Japan down the road to war despite the protests of a moderate, cautious Imperial Navy. >It was, of course, the Rikugun that demanded an end to the naval limitation treaties in the 1930s, was primarily responsible for the move into Indochina in 1941, insisted that a war with the European empires in the Far East had to begin with a strike on Pearl Harbor, and began its mobilization in June 1940.>With 18 months needed to mobilize, one is left to wonder what situation the Kaigun anticipated it would face in December 1941, when its third construction program would be all but complete. >If, as was the case, the exhaustion of foreign reserves would have meant Japan having to stop trading in spring 1942, then what was the significance of the American trade embargo of summer 1941? >By the least exacting standard, it would seem that the die had been cast before the United States imposed sanctions on Japan in July 1941. >In summer 1941 Japan faced a "go-now-or-never" dilemma of its own making, and responsibility for this situation rested as much on the Kaigun as on its sister service.>H.P. Willmott, When Men Lost Faith in Reason, 128
>>65176457they were all shit desuthe air forces got raped consistently the navy got raped consistentlythe ground army had an open marriage with chinese territory and got raped everywhere else
>>65177769they used the cycle lanes
>>65177769Japs were never going to win vs. US if the US didn't tap out on their own accord. Just the production capacity and resources the US had was enough to overwhelm whatever japs could ever hope to have. The japs would had to be immaculate with little to no losses in near every engagement in the pacific to even get US to a peace table.
>>65176457Weren't the IJA and IJN top brass sourced from two different tribes that had been warring with each other since the Sengoku period or before?
>>65181190>Army officer's academies got stuck with B students or worse, and may Allah forgive me for uttering these words, second-born sons.
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>>65181371Not really, the first big rivalry was Minamoto vs Taira, but by the Edo period that was replaced by fudai vs tozama, and by the Meiji period it was pro-shogunate vs pro-imperial. The Satsuma clans had huge influence on the IJN during the Meiji era (even though they rebelled a few years after supporting the imperial faction), but by WWII it was a lot less clear cut.
It's honestly pretty incredible how many times the Japanese fleets were in a position to majorly disrupt landings and got scared off after BEATING the allied forces in the area. For a nation whose plan was decisive fleet action, they sure fought conservatively.
>>65182334Face-saving culture. Nobody wants to be the guy who horrendously miscalculates and has to eat his own katana.
Remember that time the "greatest" battleship ever made, leading the most powerful naval task force in Japanese history, got chased off by a couple destroyers and some nearly empty carriers
>>65182358I'm remembering how Nip doctrine was predicated on battleship engagements, but they lost the very few battleship engagements that actually happened.
>>65176868Tomoe cute
>>65182367>I'm remembering how Nip doctrine was predicated on battleship engagementsYou remember wrong.
>ground army was bad>because it just was...ok?
>>65182550Odd it doesn't extend to the Aleutians the Japs took
>>65182566Because it's 4th of June, 1942 and the invasion of Kiska happened on the 6th and Attu on the 7th.
>>65182566The map only goes to June 4, 1942. The Japanese didn't invade Alaska until June 6, 1942.
>>65182367>Talking about battleships >Posts battlecruiserAll IJN battleships were lost to air attack, destroyers, or self destruction
>>65182594>no true battleship fallacy
>>65176457Wasn’t the army general staff trying to assadsinate the naval commander at some point?>Fine we will get our own carriers>Fine we will get our own troops
>>65182594Nigger, have you never heard of Surigao?
>>65182600>Japanese Liberation Army Navy AirforceJust as Nobunaga intended. I'm honestly surprised that the Admirals and Generals didn't rape eachother to death in August '45.
>>65182535Retard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kantai_Kessen
>>65182609He would've got the ball rolling.
>>65182580>>65182584Imagine being some poor rice farmer from Honshu and getting shoved onto the most miserable archipelago in the Pacific.
