How much does experience matter when it comes to warfare? For example, we all made fun of the Russian army for being shit in 2022, but is it fair to say that both the Ukrainian and the Russian armies are probably better than their European counterparts because they have actually adapted to an entirely new kind of high-intensity conflict?
>>65176502Russian troops don;t rotate so no experience is gaine they die lie flies and are replaced and the cycle begins again, except now they are running out of euipment and money and he glave propagandists in msocow who are nest for putins special military operation have no experience of anything except being cunts on /pol/23.05.2026Tanks — 11949 (+5)Armored fighting vehicle — 24599 (+5)Artillery systems — 42579 (+68)MLRS — 1799 (+1)Anti-aircraft warfare — 1394 (+4)Planes — 436Helicopters — 353Ground robotic systems — 1444 (+4)UAV — 306478 (+1819)Cruise missiles — 4632Ships (boats) — 33Submarines — 2Cars and cisterns — 98406 (+201)Special equipment — 4212 (+5)Military personnel — aprx. 1354810 people (+950)See you in Hell.
>>65176502Veterans make better new soldiers. The Russians have not kept their vets but rather grind them to dust. Their survivors will be remembering campaigns lacking any combined arms and living with scraps
>>65176502Europe, the EU, UK and Ukraine are a military superpower, perhaps now the biggest one in teh world. NATO 2.0 won't have the kremlins new proxy the USA in it and little failed state Russia? It is over, a century of idiocy, cruelty, barbarism and corruption. Fields of tanks and artillery gone, bankrupt and militarily disarmed and broken, missiles rusting in sillos, refineries burning.
>>65176506>>65176513It seems highly unlikely that Russia learned nothing from this conflict. I don't want to overestimate them but I don't think a country like France is likely to be better at drone warfare than Russia.
>>65176502Experienced NCOs are what matter. This is why the US fights wars every decade or so. Russia isn't learning much of anything with their meat wave tactics. Meanwhile Ukraine was always the technological center for the Soviets, and this war is demonstrating as much.
>>65176524true, but drone warfare is at it's most useful in a stalemateif France and Russia where to fight it would be a war of maneuver and the russians have been getting worse at that
>>65176524Those Russians who 'learned' are dead.the heavy eqipment gone.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr0wOrNblroKill them all.
>>65176537FSB HQ gets ackedKill glavsetKill the FSBKIll hem all, disarm and kill. When he job is done, peace. Russia is finished.
>>65176502>How much does experience matter when it comes to warfare?The specific quality of that experience is far more important than experience in itself.A well-trained Western green unit is superior to an experienced company of third world militia.
>>65176543Europe has 1.4 million in uniform, they are tarained and 25% of them are in elite formations and special forces spanning the British Paras, KSK, SAS,SBU, FFL etc etc. With Ukraine and the UK and EU, Europe is a military powoer not to be fucked with, with in excess of 2 millionn troops, vast experience in warfare and genuinely elite units
>>65176543Ukranians train EU forces in drone warfare and tactics and act as OPFOR.
>>65176547Almost none of them are oriented in any way for total war.
>>65176547NATO 2.0 right there and Europe has no problem in increasing it's nuclear and missile capacity if retards in the US China and Moscow want MAD. In fac he uS naional security policy dediccated o interfering in EU democracies and the UK makes this essential, as does the redidual dirt in Moscow.
>>65176524>It seems highly unlikely that Russia learned nothing from this conflict.Lessons learned will be largely at the highest levels only, and the officers there will likely have their hands tied politically to avoid losing face. They won't be able to implement changes unless they can sell Putin on it. Putin is of course repulsed by admitting to making any kind of mistake, not being prepared, allowing systemic corruption through the RUAF, etc. In his eyes admitting anything is/was wrong is also tacitly admitting his house has a foundation of sand.
>>65176554nor is russia and it's gotten them bogged down for years. bleeding out all the while to the point that even if they wanted to switch to a total war footing they couldn't pull it off anymore.
>>65176502>How much does experience matter when it comes to warfare?A lot. When it is properly digested and turned into long-term institutional adaptation, that is.>but is it fair to say that both the Ukrainian and the Russian armies are probably better than their European counterparts because they have actually adapted to an entirely new kind of high-intensity conflict?Arguably yes for the Ukrainians. Definitely no for the Russians, as their system has proven to be generally incapable of properly digesting experience and using it to reform itself.
>>65176524It is objectively visible that Russia has failed to properly learn from this conflict.
>>65176554Neither is The US or China. Of the three the US has the smalest population least capable of total war and least experienced in it intergenerationally it's ideal for what used be called punitive colonial expeditions. Europe rebuilt afetr WW2, can rebuild afer any potential WW3 but I don't think that is true of the US or fragile single party constructs like China. The fact is china has not made a single threat against the European people and nations or denigrated them. Russia and it's proxies in Washington have against all nations who lost men in Afghaistan for their new york skyscraper shit.. Remember it was he usa ha coerced europeans into rearminig instead of building more hospitals and stabbed Ukraine in the back.Actions, consequences. The USA has no place in NATO 2.0. It no longer is a defender of democracy or freedom but a friend to tyranny and murderers, by choice of it's population.
>>65176550Yeah. They're serving as an inoculation of fresh information into Western militaries who don't want to build entire drone warfare systems when the arms race is still on-going.It'd be like a neutral country in WW2 building a full armored force in 1942 with tanks from that year.
>>65176524It would be incorrect to say Russia learned nothing, however the lessons were for the most part 2 to 3 generations behind what the West has already internalized >Hmm, putting an entire theater's worth of fuel and ammo in a single yard might not be such a good idea>whoa, our planes.. can be used to launch stand off munitions against ground targets, who knew??I will give them credit as to proving Western nations completely wrong about mines however.>Nato: Mines are of limited use strategically, and best utilized in smaller tactical applications for impromptu delaying of enemy movements >Russia: woe, 43 million mines upon ye
>>65176577>I will give them credit as to proving Western nations completely wrong about mines however.Not all Western nations
>>65176554Why are Amerimutts so absolutely and utterly fucking retarded? If fucking UKRAINE can manage to turn a shitass conscript army into a professional military with one of the largest militaries on the entire planet on their doorstep in an active invasion, Europe, a land of higher IQ and more production, can get their shit together. Not like the average 11b E-4 has any fucking idea what's going on in the first place.>>65176570Correct take.t. ADF to US Army back to ADF, Euros are significantly better to work with (except fucking Italians, fuck Italians)
>>65176572Germany remilitarised in a decade leading iup to WW2. Europe is now four years into the process. Ukraine the EU and UK are quie capable of obliterating the US, Russia or China, economically or militarily, don't give them just cause. It was absolutely vital to keep Europe, places like Germany relatively disarmed and, disarmed, massive fuck up.In WW2 it took the whole world to stop Japan and two European states. What hope does the world have against 29 of them?
>>65176582>in an active invasionThis is the key part, anon.Peacetime militaries do not adapt. Peacetime officers are close-minded and politically inclined, not militarily inclined.It requires actual existential threat and wartime financing to push a system full of bureaucracy and inertia back to life.
>>65176585>Germany remilitarised in a decade leading iup to WW2.As part of a totalitarian socialist government destroying its own economy to do so. It's a miracle how well you can organize such changes top-down when you remove private property- and human rights from the populace, silencing opposition by sending them to gulag or the edge of a field.
>>65176554>total war.muh total war... is it total war in ukraine right now? so what the fuck are you talking about?
>>65176592It should be and would be if the Russians weren't so fucking stupid.
>>65176570>least experienced intergenerationally for total warThe U.S. has equal to or greater intergenerational experience for large scale warfare as any European nation.. unless you're trying to count like the 30 years war and Napoleonic age as being relevant.>Europe rebuilt after WW2Thanks to the U.S.>ESL schizo ramblingsNo idea what you're even trying to say in the latter half, but it's clearly just seething against burgers
Fun fact the germans already have optical AI GPUs and worldwide avanced chip prouction in the US,China, Taiwan and Japan is completely ependent on a machine made in the netherlandsThe USA fir the last 70 years is an anomoly, all thought, communist, democracy, he lot originates in Euriope, including the very idea of total war. The kremlins proxies in washington have awakened a sleeping giant that has ruled the earth for most of the last 400 years.Ukraine a single impoverishec European state has destroyed more of moscows military than the USA did in 50 years of it's cowardly cold war with the frontlines placed in Europe. Generations of European in France, Finland, Germany conscipte so Americans could grow fat and stupid and he n hilariously claim they were 'paying' for European defense while supporting the foreign policy of a mudering Russian dicator..Too late now. The US has ruined itself. IT won the lottery and blew it on hooers and blow and /kremlinpol/
>>65176591No European nation is socialist. They are fundementally corporatist and have more in common with the principles of Italian fascism than anything else. Keep sniffing your own farts
>>65176614---[The point]---->....[Your head]
>>65176614Anon was literally describing Nazi Germany. Don't be retarded.
>>65176524It might seem unlikely, but allow me to point out that Russia borders Ukraine, had active Intel operations in Ukraine, knew of the public information we gave Ukraine, knew about our manpads (likely even had samples), but still felt small manned dispersed units (standard NATO training openly given to Ukraine by USA) would not be a hindering factor. They also had knowledge of the entirety of Ukraine including all of its major industrial sectors and points. They literally just thought it'd be a milk run. They didn't listen, Commies online didn't listen, only the Azov Facebookers listened because they were ideologically bought in. But despite all of that the Ruskies didn't prep, they didn't think that their standard 70 year old play would be caught. It's a skill issue unironically
>>65176623yes you need to taker them and send some to comrade vance and cohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GUoCvIMrgcRussian quislin dickholders need meds so does whoever wrote the US national security policy specifying interfering in and disrupting European nations elections. You seem tgo want a war medanon. Actions consequences, see Putin and his retardation
>>65176547Lmao impressive, but how will they or their gear get anywhere? You think Germany is going to be giving medium lifts everywhere? Sure the Frogs can ship some shit. What's the parts compatibility across those nations machinery? Who produces the most sensitive components? Europe will never function as a united military force. The only time it has as been for a token ride in a US brushfire. Sure those sub units can yield some highly capable operators. But that isn't going to give them helicopters capable of heavy lift. It's not going to give them a fueler force to keep their air assets up. Those air assets won't be as plentiful and will be limited due to per nation procurement, or they will be and it will be as a US plane buyer (impossible the Frogs would never kill what they have left and neither will the Swedes). The European subnations make excellent cultural spaces and places to visit. It does permanently cap their potential and always will as they continue to fight as a truly unified military. NATO did a lot of this, but it didn't solve it.
The US is not Europe or democracies friend, It is a kremlin proxy.
>>65176640>seething and rweality sinking in the nuAmerican retarded wayLook what you have done, has any generation done more harm to the USA and failed it and betrayed it's entire consitution more than milennial Americans?
>>65176640>Europe doesn't have tools the US said it would provide them when dividing the capacities different NATO members would provideimagine my shock
>>65176671>me want orange give orange me want orange give now me want
>>65176524>It seems highly unlikely that Russia learned nothing from this conflictWell they keep doing the same thing and expecting different results, so you tell me.>I don't think a country like France is likely to be better at drone warfare than Russia100% France would be better at drone warfare than Russia. They have better technology, a vastly superior industrial base and higher quality human capital.
>>65176502>but is it fair to say that both the Ukrainian and the Russian armies are probably better than their European counterparts because they have actually adapted to an entirely new kind of high-intensity conflict?No, the Reussians are actively worse and getting worse because of their own subhuman nature.
>>65176524>It seems highly unlikely that Russia learned nothingWhen have you known the Russian people to learn fucking anything? They've gone from authoritarian regime to authoritarian regime their whole existence. If anything, Russians learning any kind of lesson would be an unprecedented event.
>>65176614You are a fucking illiterate retard and should stop posting, anon.
>>65176640>airliftWho the fuck cares? Continental Europe has the densest and most hardened rail and road infrastructure on the planet, and the EU has no need to be fighting american wars halfway around the world anymore.
Why are eugandans seething about the US today? They always seem to be assmad about something 24/7.
>>65176776>U.S. supports Europe with air power for Nato purposes>This confuses the yuropoor as they thought it was totally unconditional, unilateral support forever and ever>acuses others of negroid behavior When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
>>65176781Trump's gearing up for more strikes on Iran tonight, this enrages the "European" posters on here
This is just russian division-posting again, clear as day. When the initial thread topic got called out.
>>65176810Well they do feel the need to import every sad faced mudshit in the world so they must be worried the EU will demand they import every single person from Iran.
>>65176502>How much does experience matter when it comes to warfare? For example, we all made fun of the Iranian army for being shit in 1979, but is it fair to say that both the Iraqi and the Iranian armies are probably better than their US counterparts because they have actually adapted to an entirely new kind of high-intensity conflict?
>>65176813not necessarily; trans-atlantic banter has always been a thing on /k/. We can discuss US-Euro relations while both enjoying TZD. Additionally, the only two users on the board who seem to be deranged in their anti-European and Anti-American posts are respectively: Robert (that russophillic hegseth worshipping faggot who spells it as "Yurop" in every post, and really hates it when people discuss TZD) and that one European poster who throws a fit in every thread and accuses the US of abandoning Ukraine.
>>65176524It took ziggers two months to learn that miles long xonvoys aren’t a good idea. It took them over a month to realize huge stockpile of materiel isn’t ideal when himars fucking erased every single one of them in reach. Something as dispersed as drones? Maybe they’ll start figuring it out by 2029.
>>65176506What’s the status of armored vehicle reserves?
>>65176502>but is it fair to say that both the Ukrainian and the Russian armies are probably better than their European counterpartsNah, mostly just the Ukrainians. I don't think the moskals could invade moldova at this point.
>>65176917No, it's the U.S. primary mission to return Europe to her former relevance. We will not let you fail yourselves, and will drag you back to world power status, kicking and screaming if we have to.
>>65176769Yeah I really don't see the point in boasting about airlift capabilities when the rail network is so robust already and in a situation where a lot of troops and materiel need to move, why the fuck would you even choose airlift? Sure it's faster and nice to have for rapid deployments, but in a true large scale war of Russiganda vs Europe, materiel & troops move by rail. Cheaper & higher throughput by a large margin, with only speed being a disadvantage, and the EU does have some airlift capabilities for when there's a true pressing need for it. The US' airlift capabilities stem from their need to fight overseas, whereas Europe can be focused on the continent it's on.
>>65176929>will drag you back to world power statusthat's why we will impose tariffs on you, try to poach your companies, meddle in your internal affairs to foster internal dissent, threaten to take your sovereign territory, belittle and mock you, place the intrest of others before your, insist you do not have the right to regulate your own internal markets and back our oligarchs in any dispute with your regulatory bodies
>>65176986Yes. You will learn to stand up for yourself or become a puppet without even the appearance of independence.Good talking to you
>>65177006like when they want to regulate their own internal market and the US threatens to impose sanctions on them for trying to stand up for themselves? all because it would affect the bottom lines for a few oligarchs that barely pay any tax anyway?or how hen they don't follow the US's every whim on the international stage they berate them and threaten them with sanctions?
>>65177016Yes. You WILL learn to stand up for yourself.You did so with that worthless pile of ice called Greenland and what happened?Now do this for everything else, too, and maybe your gerontocratic continent won’t end up as a cautionary tale to the rest of the world.
>>65176965>euros are too cowardly to fight iranIsn't US too cowardly to fight Iran by avoiding putting boots on the ground?
>>65177031>we undermine them because we want the to be strongthe only cautionary tale here is what trusting the US will get you
>>65176965Why should Europeans fight for Kikes' desire to rule over the Middle East?
>>65176524>I don't think [NATO country with a proper airforce] is better at [using an attritional weapon]Golly. Learn about Desert Storm and why it is that no first-rate military ought to get involved in defensive posturing and non-strategic campaigns; if you're getting bogged down and the plan is being thwarted or otherwise stalled because of small munitions like FPV's, then the plan was fundamentally shit in some way or fashion. When a land campaign is to be made, it is to be done in a rapid fashion with all manner of mechanized and motorized forces available, spearheaded by a competent SEAD and total air supremacy. They "have learned" things, but that's a non-tangible idea when we've seen lada assaults in 2024, MTLBs (artillery tractors) being used in the spearhead, and countless videos of "infiltration teams" filling trenches with their dead and littering the same patch of ground as 30 others. The corruption is systemic, the corruption is part of the force and political structure within Russia, and TZD means TZD.
>>65176524Russian drone doctrine has been fairly mediocre. They attempted to copy Ukraines drone wall strategy in an offensive roll that proved unsuccessful and their main targets are equipment, vehicles and enemy drones. In contrast, Ukraine targets personnel as a priority. Additionally, they are generally behind the innovation curve (though not always). While Russia has the advantage in scaling these innovations, they are slower to do so due to the more centralised nature of their production. This will not be the same story when going up against Europe. As you say however, Rubicon is still very dangerous and will certainly be expanded on post war.
>>65177083>Golly. Learn about Desert StormBut that was before the drones. Frankly, the US don't seem to have fared much better against Iran.
>>65176506updater anon are you drunk perchance?
>>65176502>we all made fun of the Russian army for being shit in 2022the Russian military had already combat experience in Syria, Georgia, ChechnyaThe fact is the Russian military is shit and Russia is a shithole gthat tries to use it';s size to bully smaller nations. It tried to be the bully on Ukraine and the EU and got bodyslammed just like the little retarded kid that tries to bully a bigger kid and winds up bodyslammed
>>65176577>>65176579Nato adopted the restrictive use of mines because they actually have to live in the regions where the wars happened.Russia as always could care less about loss of life.
>but is it fair to say that both the Ukrainian and the Russian armies are probably better than their European counterparts because they have actually adapted to an entirely new kind of high-intensity conflict?No because the ones that see combat are dead or injured.
>>65177107Yes and using a boiled pidor skull as an ashtray. Life is good,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY-QRxsVd5E
>>65177118>>65177134>Yes and using a boiled pidor skull as an ashtray. Life is good,>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY-QRxsVd5E
>>65177123I fucking love zangief kid
matbe y'all Americans can paracute jd vance on a mission to suck all he sperm from the ten thousand murdering gangsters in the fsb so he can stuff some rare earths up his ass while they are having a napmeanwhile I'll kill kremlin pidors forever no matter where they make a rats nest
>USA did just as poorly against IranWhat level of turdie cope is this? They are nowhere near similar.
I am reality.
>>65176506They're still paying browns to shill against Russia with fake numbers lmao
>>65176524We don't need some hypothetical future war, they've been fighing for almost half a decade now and they STILL haven't learned anything
>>65176862I don't know. While there's some bantz for sure, the vitriol really seems to indicate thirdie shitstirring.
>>65177189Thirdie shitstirring, the terminally political, and a realignment among radicalism. The US is still positioned as evil, incompetent, imperialistic, and THE ENEMY, the particulars switch according to whatever their current line of reasoning.
>>65177176>BrownsPlease, the global browns mostly support poccia, or is Mali, Iran, China and India suddenly white now Ranjeesh
>>65177376Wtf am I watching
>>65177400Muslim thing. When entering/leaving a room youre supposed to put your left foot through the threshold first, otherwise your kids will be deformed(definitely not from the 3rd generation cousin marriage though)
>>65176929The only reason Trump seethes at allies is because they play faun politics so Trump can make it look like he is winning in some fashion. It has absolutely nothing to do with bringing back hegemony but everything to do with looking like a win ti his base.Trump tries for performative victories to sell to the papers, not real ones, once you realise that you realise why he leveraging allies into faun style games where they submit or pretend to submit, all for the media alone.It's easy to call a country weak while stabbing them in the back from a position of trust and mutual benefit, but that doesn't make them weak, that just made your now former alliances valuable enough for Trump to exploit and destroy for TV dominance politics.Europe alone is manufacturing more munitions than anywhere else in the world and currently solo supplying not only its own stocks resupply, but the Ukraine war at the same time.This is not a thing to boast about when you live in the USA, you will lose that leverage.Russia lost all of its worldwide vassals once it was unable to sell weapons to them because it spent its essential reserves on a current war, the same will happen to the USA as they fail to supply Taiwan, Europe and other allies with weapon deals that cost billions, because the US now needs them to resupply. There is a reason there is a mass middle power decoupling from both the US financial system and military industrial complex and it's because Trump not only wasted it's stockpiles on Iran but showed how innefective airpower is in squashing even dictatorial regimes that are well prepared.Basically the last two years of foreign policy are loud blusterous retardation where the world finds out it can survive with a dictatorial China instead while this blows over.
>>65177400>Wtf am I watching
>>65177421I'm guessing "faun" is something that doesnt have an English equivalent?
>>65176502Russians are doing the thing the Germans did in WWII where they send their experienced troops into suicide missions instead of rotating them out to train the next wave. Problem with them is that the Soviets gutted their NCO system and it hasn't been really reinstated since.
>>65176543>A well-trained Western green unit is superior to an experienced company of third world militia.Never heard of Tongo Tongo huh
>>65176582>If fucking UKRAINE can manage to turn a shitass conscript army into a professional military with one of the largest militaries on the entire planet on their doorstep in an active invasion, Europe, a land of higher IQ and more production, can get their shit togetherAmericans are not higher IQ than Ukrainians lmao, especially ones of military age given half of them aren't even White. Not to mention unlike Europe and especially unlike Ukraine and Russia the U.S military has a just-in-time production model with a globalized supply chain that can't be rapidly scaled.Not to mention the social contract here is completely fucked; there wasn't even draft after 9/11 and that would be impossible now if there were a similar attack given half of all people here would blame the U.S for bringing it upon itself while another quarter would believe a bunch of unofficial theories that are against the official narrative of whatever happened.>>65176592>is it total war in ukraine right now?For Ukraine yes. For Russia and everyone else involved no.
>>65177558Why would you think this goes against the post you're replying to lmao
>>65177596>Why would you think this goes against the post you're replying toThe fact that 3rd SFG (A) troops lost a skirmish to a bunch of literal niggers and that this precedent has been proven time and time again in the Sahel be it against the FFL or battle-hardened Wagner/Africa Corps troops fresh from Ukraine is proof of the limitations of an operator-dependent system given it lacks the necessary scale and footprint to stabilize these areas.
>>65177605It's hilarious how 3rd worlders like you see western troops as god-men and the killing of any of them at all to be some sort of emperor's new clothes scenarioAnyways you viewing this as a victory just proves the opposite of what you're claimingLmao
>>65177615>3rd worlders like you see western troops as god-men and the killing of any of them at all to be some sort of emperor's new clothes scenarioAnon ISIL/JNIM nigs in the Sahel have stumped both the U.S and France and are now on the verge of doing the same to Russia. I'm not one of those tankie retards that thinks the U.S lost to rice farmers but between the Sahel and Afghanistan it's clear that the operator-dependent light footprint method of doing things just doesn't work compared to direct occupation or building competent proxies.
>>65177558Real life isn't a game of map-painting autism where you compare numbers to others and the end-result is mathematically determined with no real-life conditions. An inferior force can tactically defeat a superior one if the conditions are right. The superior force's superiority doesn't necessarily even matter if the war is an unconventional one, where they are either politically prevented from winning or fighting is not at all how to win (the hearts and minds of the population.)
>>65176513>>65176556>Lessons learned will be largely at the highest levels onlyThis. The Russians try to run on institutional competence only, with the problem being that said institutions are forced into being corrupt and dishonest in order to preserve and protect themselves from being vigorously and rapidly reformed by political leadership.
>>65176519>>65176769military superpower" you said.Also you: Who cares if they can't project power?Who's going to protect your imports of key materials? You need the Turks to keep the southeast land border sealed. Your biggest, most advanced economy had trouble keeping the heat on. Europe's only answer to China's rise is appeasement.
>>65177432They're basically doing the opposite of what the US did in ww1. We quickly realized that NCOs had no respect from the troops and led to some horrible results and we looked at the french and brits ans realized our organization kinda sucks and did a complete overhaul with focus on decision making from the people on the ground. If a private has a good idea as an NCO I'd listen to them. Happened a lot. Russia is all about micromanagement and no initiative allowed so nothing changes, there's no trickling down of knowledge and expereince happening.
>>65176502Experience is everything. The trick is how you salvage the experience you gain. Russia has had plenty of wars to learn from their mistakes. But when you, as a society, have the mentality of crabs in a bucket, you get what we have today.
>>65178809>why are't you a global powerbecause the US is, the US is the only global power and there can only be one without conflictjust look how China getting it's legs back under it is causing all this tension between it and the US
>>65177627>FranceDid they though?
>>65178809EU power projection is sufficient for its needs, retard.>You need the TurksAbsolute retard take.>Your biggest, most advanced economy had trouble keeping the heat on....ah, okay, you're literally a zigger.>muh appeasementThis may shock a retardded zigger like (You), but having functioning relations with another power does not actually require appeasement. Funnily enough, the US' status as superpwoer has ever been reliant on this, even though its current administration forgot.
>>65176524You vastly overestimate Russians, anon. Any actual country that got into a fight with them would learn and adapt in one month what it's taken Russians almost five years to internalize.
>>65177412Is this... autism?
>>65176542..owari da.. the air defense cuckold strokes again
>>65176506Russia’s only skills are paying people to post comments critical of western governments online (if you saw posts criticizing Biden, it was Russians posting), and being the mastermind of migrants in the EU. Anybody who says the EU is enabling mass migration is Russians saying it to deflect
>>65176502Soldiers need to survive and the officers need to be willing to actually learn from their mistakes. So no the russian army is still terrible, but with even less equipment.
>>65178983it's superstition masking as religion superstition they have to resort to since their religion encourages inbreeding
>>65177428Is this India?
>>65176591Nazism allowed private property and had a huge fusion of state, private manufacturing & business. Nazism is close to modern American corporatism and oligarchy. Nazism isn't a socialist ideology and you're a fucking retard (or intentionally bad faith) when you think "national socialism" means leftism because it has socialism in its name. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and consider you just a victim of the failed American education system and its deeply propagandistic media machine.
>>65178973You sound butthurt as all hell.
>>65177431If I were to hazard a guess I would assume it’s “fawn” considering the context. Kinda figured it was just a typo from someone who doesn’t have English as their primary language due to trying to sound out the word. Or they’re drunk. Either way, that was a really easy word to figure out from reading the post. You should feel ashamed from asking to be spoonfed on something that…well I was going to say an 11 year old in the US could contextualize but the literacy rate has gone done significantly even among the adult population so you’re probably just the average American now. God, the founding fathers were right and the average man should never have been allowed to vote.
>>65179149Only ziggers talk about Nazis this much, literally no one cares or is falling for your act
>>65177431Possibly a typo of "fawn", as in "make non-committal appeasing noises so Big Orange fucks off, then go back to whatever you were doing"?
>>65176640>>65176769JFC I know you guys live in a bubble but in a war where those Euro nations scramble as a unified force, why would the opposing enemy not target the massive static infrastructure? Secondly airlift enables fast response and command capabilities (essential for the smaller fragmented force you're talking about) to be effective. It's thought processes like this that limit the ability of Europe as a whole. Yeah, ummm why should this region without necessary resources focus on being anywhere but where those resources aren't??? It's comical. We are talking about how to make your continent be a super power and instead you are handicapping your own abilities at your present chosen limitations instead of the real power it could be. This is essential European mindset and why you have been left as a continent. If no one can provide the basic capabilities that I just called out, then the force will always be a token toy at best. Which accurately describes the state of the EU military.
>>65178970>Did they though?Gao and Timbuktu in the late 2010s were as if not more violent and unstable than they were in 2013 and there were routine attacks on both civilians and the UN. The French failure to handle this area at that time played a huge role in opinion turning against them there in favor of Russia, which was also around the time of Tongo Tongo.
>>65179149>Nazism allowed private propertyNo it fucking didn't.They removed the right to private property in the Reichstag fire degree and removed private property from anyone who de facto did not allow it under public control. Junkers himself was kicked out of his own factory for refusing to do what the Nazis wanted him to. That is not allowing private property.>had a huge fusion of state, private manufacturing & business.That is not private ownership. That is public control, socialism.>Nazism is close to modern American corporatism and oligarchy.No it's not.They had >full centralized, planned economy, >price controls, >price commissars, >full societal synchronization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung, >four-year plans, >a single state-controlled worker's union >autarky funded through war. None of this is what the US economy is like.> Nazism isn't a socialist ideology and you're a fucking retard (or intentionally bad faith) when you think "national socialism" means leftism because it has socialism in its nameNo. You're a fucking retard who fell for post-war leftist propaganda, trying to distance themselves from nazism and claiming the same>that wasn't true socialismthat they always do. National socialism had a blatantly socialistic economic system. There is no way you can honestly say that a country with a centralized planned economy, fixed prices and price controls is not socialistic, i.e. publicly controlled. It's a completely farcical claim.And if you dare quote Germa Bel's retarded little article "Against the Mainstream" where he claims that it's "privatization" when a totalitarian government transfers state owned services to organizations within the government party itself, you should do us all a favor and stop breathing. The government party, the Nazi Party was the STATE. The state is a public entity, organizations in it are public entities. You can not privatize something into public ownership. That is an oxymoron.
>>65179824Imagine typing that many words to prove you're an idiot.
>>65179841You didn't claim I was wrong :^)
>>65179824Man you're fucking retarded. Do you think the GDR was democratic as well?
>>65177376Browns supporting Russia globally and browns being paid to shill for Ukraine are not mutually exclusive concepts.
>>65177124Ottawa treaty is already trashed by several countries and the whole Ottawa project was only a moralist circle jerk by socialists who thought they were saving children from stepping on mines like it happens in shitskin countries (we have miracle technology called mine mapping).
>>65176502>How much does experience matter when it comes to warfareA lot. Quality training based on lessons learned is part of experience. Experience + Training + discipline means that your troops are more aware of threats and more careful in their defense and camouflage.McNamara's morons had 3x casualty rates conpared to normal intelligence troops.
>>65176513>Veterans make better new soldiers. The Russians have not kept their vets but rather grind them to dustSame mistake germans made in both WW1&2. WW1 german fighter aces had a habit of using their green pilots as bait for their personal kill records. Meanwhile the Entente rotated their aces to the flight academy. Quality replacements is something that armchair generals always forget.
>>65176524>russians>learningAnyone have that video where the Ukrainian officer is talking about interrogating Russian POWs and all they talk about is sucking dick?
>>65179763>JFC I know you guys live in a bubbleNice projection there, retard.>why would the opposing enemy not target the massive static infrastructureWhy would that enemy not target all the static airlift infrastructure, which btw presents far less, far more fragile and far harder to repair targets? Retard.>Secondly airlift enables fast responseSo does road and rail when you have the densest and most advanced infrastructure on the planet to work with. In fact, it allows far FASTER response in strength.>command capabilitiesAirlift is literally irrelevant to that, you absolute retard.>muh resources elsewhereThe EU has an order of magnitude more global power projection than it needs to bully around thirdies for raw material, retard.>It's comical.Yes, your blissfully unaware retardiation and ignorance sure are.>and why you have been left as a continentAh okey, apologies.- Turns out you're just flatly delusional and living in a fantasy of ypour own that doesn't even resemble actual reality. No need to dunk on you then, you're doinmg it already yourself.>Which accurately describes the state of the EU military.And meanwhile outside your delusions, it remains one of the largest and overall most capable militaries on the planet. Something every serious military analyst on the whole planet agrees on btw. And I'd say they udnerstand infi nitely more about that topic than you ever will.
>>65179841Nice projection, you absolute retard.Pretty telling that you weren't even able to deny any of the objective, provne facts presented to you by >>65179824.>>65181676>but what about muh GDRDoesn't make the nazi economy any less of a socialist planned economy, retard.
>>65176570True.Sad and fucked up that it got this bad.
>>65176810weird how iran is helping russia, but trump won't do anything to oppose russia and instead helps them too
>>65179149>Nazism allowed private propertyhttp://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/capitalisback/CountryData/Germany/Other/Pre1950Series/RefsHistoricalGermanAccounts/BuchheimScherner06.pdfi guess you're right, that other anon didn't know what he was talking about
>>65179841Kill yourself.
