Did so-called Tier 1 special operations units in the US and NATO become bloated during the Global War on Terror? Are units full of Tier 1 operators, who train to perform missions with huge amounts of support from Tier 2 and conventional units backing them up, useful in large-scale combat operations (LSCO), such as in the Russo-Ukrainian War or in a hypothetical China-Taiwan war? Discuss.
Not really. Socom did double in size, but the mission profile and reach expanded too; plus a lot of the perceived bloat is support personnel rather than shooters. Yes they would be useful in the same way they were used in Vietnam. I realize that Senezh leaf suit shit is a sensitive topic for Ukrainians, but that behind-lines logistics harassment, ambushing and sabotage is literally one of the core roles of SOF going back to MACV, that's what your SOF units would be doing much more of in a peer war than training thirdies. And as you can see in both Vietnam and on both sides in Ukraine, that's a job with a very short life expectancy so its good to have a few hundred more guys on tap to replace losses.
>>65177470It's really more that Delta became an even higher tier unit and thus represents the only true Tier 1 unit, with everything else being lower.>inb4 seething euros claim their SF units who never do anything are totally on Delta's level>inb4 seething russians and chinktards claim their actually trained non-meatwave soldiers are totally on Delta's level>inb4 seething SEALtards
They did amazingly well during the Maduro raid. They raided so fast Maduro couldn't close his escape room door.
>>65177539I heard on a podcast that the operator barely stopped him from closing that door with the barrel of his rifle.
>>65177528Russia could have easily captured Zelensky if they wanted to.
>>65177561I love that they're astroturfing spetsnaz being massacred in Kyiv trying to do that exact thing. What was that Russian term for lying but we know they're lying and they know we know they're lying?
>>65177677blyat!
>>65177677"Vranyo" is the word you are looking for.
>>65177677>I love that they're astroturfing spetsnaz being massacred in Kyiv trying to do that exact thingI dont understand this, and as a result I dont think astroturfing means what you think it means.
>>65177470Delta, besides all the rigerous qualifications you do need legit combat experience compared to seals or special forces which some kid can make their mos from the get go.
>>65177470I wonder if governments get scared about concentrating and equipping hundreds of men into apex tier killers. Like what kind of safeguards and monitoring is in place to ensure loyalty.
>>65177528This is facts. Well them and the extremely weird esoteric SFO groups we have kicking around that barely anyone talks about like TSO who we don't even know who the commander is due to that being classified information. You can look up who runs the NSA, but you can't find out who runs TSO without the right clearance level. In general though, I agree with you, specifically because these weird ass groups all seem to be Frankensteined together with dudes from all sorts of different branches and backgrounds.
>>65178774The only people afraid of that are dictators since you can't topple even a weak government like that. You need cultural issues and corruption that baffle the mind, a strongman style government, and general incompetence in the military that is a feature and not a bug. Think Arab militaries.
>>65178569Day 0, 1, 2, and 3 of the war, Ukraine caught a metric fuckton of spetsnaz and FSB agents in Kyiv. Some were marking targets for airstrikes (most of which never came because of MANPADS and Ukrainian jets contesting airspace and such) but others were directly hunting for Zelensky and possibly other VIPs. By the end of day 1 it was so widely known that random guys violating curfew and acting suspiciously were essentially getting lynched, or beaten half to death by local police if they were lucky. Since the whole operation was a massive failure, Russkies just act like it didn't happen and I think anon is implying that they're astroturfing that narrative indirectly
>>65178854That isn't anything new man. The FFL tried to perform a coup decades ago. It doesn't work like that, and your retarded LARP will just get you a knock on the door.
>>65178648>do need legit combat experienceNo. Anyone can apply. Cooks can apply.
>>65178835Oh I doubt delta have a clue when it comes to mindnumbing bureacracy and office admin found in government, but something like a los zetas situation.But I just realized the US specifically dont have to care because any former delta guy doesnt need to resort to overt crime because he can probably slide right into a significantly better paid and legitimate job on retiring because the us mil industrial complex is rich enough to do just that, so nvm
>>65178774That's what happened with Unit 777. Delta Force trained them, came back a few years later and couldn't find anyone they trained. Turns out the Egyptian government was scared of a competent force and replaced them with family members. That's why the EgyptAir mission was such a huge fuckup.
>>65178569fucking tourists...
>>65178926Cooks fight hard against hunger and malnutrition
>>65178985https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_684About the only thing I can recall. >SK wants to copy Blue House>make suicide squad >mission gets scrubbed>squad thinks they will get liquidated>goes rogue
>>65177470>Did so-called Tier 1 special operations units in the US and NATO become bloated during the Global War on Terror?Not really no, they were just the ones doing the heavy lifting in Asymmetric Warfare.>US Army Tier 1 units:Delta Force/ACE/CAGIntel Support Activity 75th RRCAviation Technology Office>USAF24th STSAvTEG>US NavyDEVGRU/Team 6>US MarinesMARSOC or whatever they're called now
>>65179895marsoc isn't tier 1
>>65179899They've been trying to become something other than what they've calling themselves. I think by now they've just given up on it after integrating Force Recon.Marines don't know what they want.
>>65179895>literally any of those being equivalent to Deltalol
>>65177470Daily reminder all western specops ubermen operate Glocks while /k/ fat brownies shit on them constantly.
>>65179895this reminds me that the US ambassador to mexico is former CIA paramilitary, who was previously an army SOF colonel. trump wanted him to tackle the cartels.
>>65179895Never understood wolf hound squad weapon/gear choices. Why AK's and a PKM? If you're running covert deniable ops that require tac gear, The L3 Harris quad tubes immediately give them away as Western forces. So why dick around with anything other than the weapons they already train with stateside?
>>65179997>Why AK's and a PKM?They were operating in Eastern Europe at the time, and the only forces that seem to be against them are the BSAA BOWs. The AKs were probably just a local budget thing, but Umber Eyes does have an AR10.
>>65179997putting more thought into it than designers did
>>65179932Name one that uses stock glock>its so good they change 90% of it!
>>65178848I think neither of you know what astroturfing is.
>>65179997it looks cool
>>65179932>be western specops ubermen>use glocks>lose war in Afghanistan to pedophile worshippers using the Martini Henri
>>65177528>>65178648How can Amerifats on /k/ keep getting confused between regular Navy SEALS and DEVGRU?You are aware that Delta Force, and DEVGRU are both tier one units and both on the same level right? I’m not even American and even I know this.>>65179918They’re all on the same level as Delta you dumb Delta fanboy. You know Delta isn’t the secretive unit you still think it is. Many former Delta operators these days are getting drunk on podcasts and blabbering on like incoherent retards and starting fights online like all your country’s other Special Operations units are.The only true quiet professional Special Operation unit you burgers have left are ISA, you literally never hear anything about them.
>>65177561So the gloves still didn't come off after more than 4 years of this shitshow? Russian patience seems to be infinite.
>>65181829>The only true quiet professional Special Operation unit you burgers have left are ISAAnd the 24th STS
>>65177528To me it feels like everyone else became less competent and Delta was merely the one to escape the brain drain.
What about the Spartan II program?
>>65177470In 2003 C Squadron invaded lraq from the West then had part of Abrams tank Company flown into a captured airfield to support their attack all the way to Tikrit.
>>65182290What brain drain?24th STS for an example are just as elite as Delta Force, the only reason why you would think otherwise is because you are a zoomer faggot fanboy who has grown up with the le operator fags posting their gay cqb videos all over social media.Also at least the 24th and ISA dudes don’t run their mouths like retards and have meltdowns on podcasts like your precious Deltas have been doing in recent times.
>>65183620Not that anon, but to be fair, most people don't even know that the USAF has special warfare
