Russia still has a few thousand tanks in active service, but their storage is depleted. The world we and our parents and grandparents knew, is over. There isn't a mass of tanks beyond the Urals anymore threatening to roll over the plains of Europe.
>>65178607All vehicles have a finite lifespan. And that's an old fucking tank.
>>65178607There was talk about making the core of their post war infantry support force 600 T-62s, This is still technically feasible. Now that the Norks have finally settled on a standard production model for their armored forces they could give the Russians their older hulls as well as provide technical assistance.
>>65178682The lil' zigger school getting whacked really set you guys off, huh?
>>65178607Saw a video from some tank youtuber who talked about Russia fielding a new variant of T-72As to bring the closer to the levels of T-72B by using newer kontakt variants than go on the T-72Bs to make up for the worse armour than the As and probably a newer engine more like the B.
https://youtu.be/zC7b04EWrH0?is=8CVgXZ8x7HAZKQ9N
tank is tanktoday you can strap a smart phone to T-55 barrel and have fully sat-link accurate super gun.China could make robot drivers, loaders and gunners.
>>65178622>we didn't need armor designed after Kruschev anyway>>65178682>russia has been pulling shit made when Stalin was still alive out of the scrapyard and sending it to the front>these T-72s that have had everything around them moved are totally in good condition
>>65178607This makes me sad in a weird way.
>>65178607They will hold one, in reserve, forever. They will do this so they can roll it out and go "See, mighty poccnr is not out of tanks, we have one right here, you are being told HATO lies.">>65178631Vatfrica becomes closer to reality every day.
>>65178607Didn't they lose their entire 10k tank fleet like last year?
>>65178686It is the same retard who is arguing that Iran's enrichment capacity is greater than the company that supplies 18% of the world's supply of reactor fuel, he is a moronic troll.
>>65178631>norks being technical advisor to anythingOhhhh howwww the tables have turned
>>65178607Their air force is still massive unfortunately
>>65178766They must be so unbearably, obnoxiously smug when dealing with Russians right now. Just imagine joint training;>This man is called a NON COMMISSIONED OFFICE, let me explain the concept to you>He is also a VETRAN, that is someone who has been in combat and was sent back to teach new soldiers.>let me explain that word, TRAINING
>>65178777You're right and you know what, theyre probably still way nicer and better trainers than anything russian
>>65178777>No Comrades, he does not learn how to use the radio by putting a penis in his ass. First we shoot the Chechen doing capitalist butt stuff to him then we read the manual.....
>>65178781They sure as hell treat their soldiers better, the thing that really strikes me is the majority of drone footage of them getting hit is them trying to save downed comrades. The only time i've seen that from Russians is that female prison squad from a few years back.
>>65178776This is only on paper, and only because they have actively avoided using it due to maintenance problems. Remember back in 2023 when they were having jets falling out of the sky left and right, and shit like vidrel with bombs falling off of planes at random over russian cities? That's because their entire air force relied on western european parts, and the tooling to make those parts is similarly unavailable thanks to sanctions. They pushed their aircraft to the limit and those aircraft started falling apart at the seams, literally. So now if they want to actually fix the problem they're either looking at a 10+ year production timeline that they cannot financially afford, or they have to continually cannibalize jets to keep a handful of the better airframes running. They chose the latter option. It's anyone's guess how many actual combat-ready airframes they have left, but it can't be very many by this point.
>>65178776>Their air force is still massive unfortunatelyOn paper yeah, but maintenance is horrible and they are struggling to keep maybe half airworthy. Remember the Ukie drone attack on their bombers? Many of those bombers were grounded due to maintenance and/or used as parts.
I feel like I haven't seen a tank in ages in any of the footage. I haven't even seen dirt bike cavalry charges or lada armored brigades. It's like 95% three man suicide """infiltration teams""" these days.
>>65178631> they [norks] could give the Russians their older hulls as well as provide technical assistance.I think I’d just straight up commit sudoku out of shame if I was a chest thumping zigger proud of his military
>>65178776>Their air force is still massive unfortunatelyIf they hesitate to use them against oinkraine what is their air force even supposed to be good for? Chechnya 3?
>>65178808>>65178800Something that just dawned on me, here is an advantage the Norks would have over them: The Norks have been training for decades on the assumption that they will be operating against a modern airforce with no air support of their own. Regardless of how effective that training is just having that mentality is highly useful.
>>65178842More importantly, they have built their whole economy around the assumption that they will get zero outside material support in the event of a war, not even from China/Russia/USSR. This has had some side effects, such as a famine or two, but it does admittedly make them very well-prepared.Meanwhile in russia, the large majority of military industrial tooling got sold off for pennies by corrupt vatnigs. Hence even things like ball bearings have become archaeotech they can no longer produce domestically.
>>65178766>>norks being technical advisor to anything>Ohhhh howwww the tables have turnedFor me it was when the first reports came in saying they are on average in better physical condition and have better basics than russians
>>65178776Lel
>russia economy was supposed to collapse 3 years agoWe will keep seeing tanks on both sides.War isnt a question of economics
>>65178861Ah i see, they adopted Italian EPA bricks, explosive pasta armour
>>65178878>War isnt a question of economicsSure, if it lasts 3 daysIt is when it’s a decade long quagmire
>>65178607Lol sucks for them
What are the chances they satt buying temu tanks from china/korea?
>>65178861>Meanwhile in russia, the large majority of military industrial tooling got sold off for pennies by corrupt vatnigs. Hence even things like ball bearings have become archaeotech they can no longer produce domestically.I think Russia has desperately tried to build up this capability at home and/or rely on China. Dunno how successful it is tho.
>>65178950America won't allow Korea to do that even under Zion Don.
I swar I read the exact same shit 3 years ago.
>>65178986How many tanks have you seen in war footage recently?
>>65178607>an anonymous twitter user who cant even spell his fake namesigh. so... vietnam, india, etc are somewhat independent, so don't they have military journals and analysts people could reference?
>>65179015
>>65178950Well for starters they would have to find a way to pay for them. And not in rubles.
>>65178950They've already used a number of North Korean weapons like the Bulsae-4s or Koksans. I don't think they'd turn to the norks or chinese for tanks but them using other systems from them absolutely wouldn't be surprising.
>>65178965The other Korea.
>>65179015>single drone out of hundreds busy burning Russias economy to the ground gets jammed and then shot down by the Estonians>this is what zigger shills cope about nowChrist, we're encountering entirely new levels of desperate here.
>>65178607Oh well, we shall remember their tanks flying fondly into history
>>65178607Honestly, no matter how many T-72s there are, would Europe actually feel threatened by them? They're so out of date they're practically harmless, and can only pose a threat to the tiniest countries like the Baltic states. And even then they're covered by mutual defense treaties.
>>65178707>these T-72s that have had everything around them moved are totally in good conditionthat's the real russian army waiting in reserve for when putin finally stops playing games and decides to defeat NATO again, just like it did in 1945 )))
>>65178607Doesn't that mean there are less T-72s remaining than Abrams?
>>65179094>"Aw, no turret toss, just a little piece of wreckage.">"Wait, is that?"
>>65179117a cosmonaut? yes, yes it is.
>>65178808>sauce: trust me broMajority of them had visible munitions attached as well as the flames came from fuel in the tanks. Most of the airfields hit were prepping for a bombing run before they were hit
>>65179130>muh arabsYes, yes, Sharia law will become universal across the continent any minute now, jsut like you told us it would for the last 25 years.Nothing ever happens, retard.
>>65179105Balts have all the modern atgm tech you can have for dealing with armor. Time to stop pretending they are so helpless and defenseless. The three balts combined and finland are completely comparable in potential output. Only difference is the balts cucked out from war in ww2 while finns had the winter and continuation war to boost morale and confidence. Thus now the general attitude is that they are somehow poland or ukraine tier barrier for pidors
>>65179110The US army has 2600 in active duty + 2000 in reserve, the Marine corps got rid of all theirs but i'm not sure if National guard units are included in this total.
>>65179155Cool story, bro.
>>65178800Trump has been lifting sanctions on aerospace parts though.
>>65179142>+ 2000 in reserve1,500 according to Military Balance>not sure if National guard units are included in this totalyes, they are
>>65179129>implying the ziggers were'nt too lazy to defuel and remove the weapons after a mission.
>>65178776Lack of pilots + munitions + bad maintenance + bad training
the T72 is dogshit so good riddancehopefully china abandons the type 99 and makes a leopard 2 clone so we can finally put soviet tank design in the garbage bin of history where it belongs
>>65179175even if China does that, you know who's gonna redeem it?
>>65178607The whole purpose of Russia's Cold War tank designs were that it could be utilized by a massive conscript army and that they had enough to blitz Western Europe and could overrun them with shear numbers. As soon as the Cold War ended and the USSR split up, the whole doctrine became useless and so did the design. It's why they have shitty reversal speeds it's why they didn't care if they sent their crews into orbit.The only reason Russia kept using the T-series and "modernizing" it was because it costs too much to build a brand new tank and they're too incompetent to build one effectively, as shown with the T-14.Same reason why they're using Flanker designs over and over, as shown with the Su-57 supposedly being a fifth gen stealth design that has the radar crosshair of a fucking F-18.That's why it pisses me off watching the Ganges River dwelling shit-swimming degenerates come up here sucking Russia off, because they're incompetent monkeys and always have been.TZD.
>>65178834>>65178766>>65178870Logically they could show them how to rework the turrets to use 125mms without autoloaders, that really would be handy in modernizing them. Might very well increase survivability especially if they showed them how to make new turrets with bustle stowage. An option would be that in theory the hulls can easily accommodate a 5th crewman as a drone operator, if you have bustle ammo stowage the space next to the driver could handle another guy.>>65179066The real utter humiliation would be that the Norks would probably sell them the first batches of T-62's they got from the USSR before the started domestic manufacture, which the DPRK possesses in greater number and better condition than Russia. >>65179105Well there is a interesting question; what is more of a threat? A early model T-72 or a Norkified T-62 with a 125mm gun, newish turret and their rip off of the EuroPowerPack engine?
>>65179155>it's already permitted in UK, which also just introduced blasphemy laws for Islam, but not for other religions>you're literally permitted to insult any religion EXCEPT Islam in BritainSounds like bullshit, got a sauce?
>>65178861APC>Armored>Pasta>Carrier
>>65178607Russia ran out of the good ones in storage, ones that you essentialy just need to perform an oilchange on, clean them up, charge the battery and can send them to the front.Russia ran out of the OK ones, ones that need a little work, but can be fixed up quickly.Russia is currently using the not terrible ones, ones wich take quite some work, but are fixable in a factory.They still have left:>the bad onesWich can be fixed with a lot of donor parts>the very bad onesOnly realy usefull as parts donors, or needs almost everything replaced.>trashOnly usefull as scrap metal to be melted down.>When will they run outThey won't exactly run out of tanks entirely, their supply just runs down more and more.The number of tanks per month will never reach zero, but it is dropping.And each tank will cost them increasingly more work/material to get ready.
>>65178861>>65178880Those are shell propellants you fool.
>>65179094>remember their tanks flying fondlyWhat's the last thing that goes through a T-62 tanker's mind?>his ass
>>65178861>the forbidden macaroni
>>65179255
>>65179054I genuinely believe that humans are genetically hard-wired to prevent overpopulation by slowing down birth rates and killing themselves if population density gets too high. This is why cities had negative birth rates since forever, even before the modern day crash. I wonder if pajeets are like this because of their insanely high population
>>65179129Did... Did you not see the car tires on them?
>>65179257You are thinking of the T-72, the T-62's ammo distribution if far more socialist in nature allowing for not only turret tosses but also hull ruptures on right front hits as well as engine ejections with left penetrating hull hits that get to the firewall stowage. There is also the rare and coveted direct side through shoot that hits both sets of ready rounds that makes all these things happen at once like Stalin intended.
>>65179276Do you think they were using those planes wings to store their spare tires? It was most likely an attempt at drone protection done in a haphazard way by some officer who wanted to show that he was "addressing the issue". It takes 5 minutes or less to have a couple guys climb up and chuck them off.
Algeria should sell its tanks to Russia for a high price, Algeria already bought 400 VT-4 and they apparently are outperfoming the T-90 in their internal trials
>>65178832This. People are screaming about russia having no tanks but where is the dootage of them being btfo? There hasn't been any massed assaults in a long time. I'm not saying Russia has a massive hidden tank army I'm just saying we haven't seen footage of them being used in a very long time.
>>65179557>"Everyone is saying Russia mostly ran out of tanks but I'm not seeing any tanks being used!"Anon I...
>>65179557>>65178832combination of Russia realising they really *have* used up the stockpile, and Ukraine going heavy into anti-armour so they're switching to infantry infiltration tactics which worked better until recentlyallegedly Russia very recently offered to sell a couple of T-72s, so it seems that they want cash more than tanks at this point
>>65179155that's utter bollocks
>>65179155>it's already permitted in UK, which also just introduced blasphemy laws for Islam, but not for other religionsthis is good thou, there should be blasphemy laws against all religions, noone should make fun of any religious belief of anyone, its just that Muslims in Britain actually practice their religion while christianity and others are dead
>>65178607>Largest tank reserve in the world is emptyt. some guy on twitter
>>65179635The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that Russia is now using invisible tanks.
>>65179271>I genuinely believe that humans are genetically hard-wired to prevent overpopulation by slowing down birth rates and killing themselves if population density gets too highThat is pure ignorance that ignores very obvious empirical data, look at typical brown shitholes, these people are wired to expand to the malthusian carrying limits of their biotope. Then genetic pressure promotes tinymanletism to expand their numbers even more, and that is why f.ex the average male height in India is about 164 centimeters. Another great way to save food is by having a smaller brain. Do I need to go on after describing the natural reasons for the existence of typical third world people? It was only extreme genetic pressure in the other direction that gave a survival advantage to large bodies and a benefit to large brains that was the genesis of the nordic white man. Surviving as a stone age hunter-gatherer in sub-artic climate along the edges of the receding glaciers at the end of the ice age was exceptionally lethal and few males reached the ripe old age of 40, with large bodied and large brained males surviving longest, giving a breeding advantage to such genetics. Black haired people from the south never underwent this evolutonary bottleneck and lack the necessary genetics for not just growing large but also for function in a flat organization with no real hierarchy. In a stone age hunting party, every man had to know what not just he was doing but also what everyone else was doing, and he had to work towards party success under his own direction. You cant have this kind of structure with blackhaired southerners, they just goof off without a boss whipping them.
>>65179276Anon, they tired up the planes they were actually using, because they thought it would fuck with the pattern recognition of hypothetical AI drones.It's the kind of shit you just cannot make up.
>>65179228>original t-62s sold back to the russians at ruinous pricesConsidering the shells and artillery that's been vintage 40s and 50s shit it wouldn't surprise me.
>>65179799NAYRT but I think that says more about the target recognition capabilities of Russian drones
I've heard this exact talking point for three years. Logistics are clearly not russias strong suit, otherwise you wouldn't see assault donkeys on the front line but the only thing I'm certain of is that nobody knows how many tanks russia still has in storage.
>>65178834Ziggers have no shame, anon.
>>65179834>nobody knowsThat's just retarded anon. Lower bounds can easily be assessed with satellite images.
>>65179094
>>65179155Cite that specific law or you're a lying faggot.
>>65179834>the only thing I'm certain of is that nobody knows how many tanks russia still has in storageThan you're retarded because Russia's storage yards and bases have been tracked since before the war. We've watched as multiple yards have been completely emptied out and greatly reduced in the number of vehicles in their inventories or reduced in the size of the bases themselves
>>65179117That's the ejection seat working as intended.Parachute costs extra though.
>>65179094>goofy_yell.mp4
>>65179094Eternal flight, zister!
>>65178607THE AGE OF THE TANK IS OVERTHE TIME OF THE DRONE HAS BEGUN
>>65178607and the fifth columnist said it wasn't possible kek
>>65179834>three years ago it was pointed russia was losing armor at an unsustainable rate>year after year stockpiles visibly depleted and increasingly old vehicles were destroyed at the front>the MLTB is extinct in the wild>tanks make only an occasional appearance these days, usually alone or converted into a cope shed>erm ackshually we don't know the state of the russian stockpile>russia has talked about making a few hundred 70 year old designs their primary tank forceThe stockpile is, for all intents and purposes, completely exhausted. They are scraping whatever archeotech they can out of it and are going to trade gold bullion, pound for pound, for ancient soviet relics from the DPRK.
>>65179276If the planes were mothballed, why did they burn like they had fuel in the tanks/lines?
>>65179977>>65179094>AAAAAA ХУХУХУЙЙЙЙЙЙ
It seems my eventual superiority (by default) has caused some controversy. The funny part is that the T-62 was designed with the theoretical ability for widespread upgrades, i doubt even in their wildest dreams they imagined new variants of the Tank of Theseus being built in 2026 and certainly not by non Soviets. One wonders what they would think if they got to look around a Chonma 20.
WHAT THE HECK?!
>>65178607so all the west needed to do was wait for slavs to start killing eachother?
I remember the alligator being critically endangered, do we know how many are left?
>>65179546>replaces russhit with chinkslopgreat idea my fellow thirdie. doing everything except for buying leos
>>65180347May we see them?
>>65179255>>65179260>That's all well and good Ivan>But we need to know where the forbidden pizza is
>>65180298>i doubt even in their wildest dreams they imagined new variants of the Tank of Theseus being built in 2026It's only 5 years away from being around longer than the soviet union was kek
>>65180392
>>65180347>Does anyone remember when German intelligence admitted that Russia is set to build 5k tanks per year this year?Lol what?The most optimistic stats for russia I've seen in german media was 400 per year >planned>for 2028
>>65178878>War isnt a question of economicsGo read about the Ruso-Japanese War, the latter half of which was primarily funded by British and American bank loans. War is absolutely a question of economics, and just because "your studying" (IE reading headlines and making assumptions based off memes) doesn't realize how important finance is to militray instutions and countless pipelines, doesn't mean that it isn't important.Matter of fact, go read any military history. It'll do you more good than whatever the fuck it is you're currently doing.
>>65180347>Does anyone remember when German intelligence admitted that Russia is set to build 5k tanks per year this year?When was this ever stated?
>>65180422don't feed the trollmore realistically, the Ukrainians claim Russia can output 250 new-build T90M tanks a year.>The most optimistic stats for russia I've seen in german media was 400 per yearsome idiot kraut came up with a figure of 300 per year CURRENT production, because the dickhead doesn't know about refurbishmentmight be the same idiot kraut who claimed that the US sent a Patriot battery to Kyiv at a time when they'd sent one launcher, and the entire battery engaged one Russian ballistic missile, concluding therefore that it takes 32 Patriots to shoot down one Iskanderor maybe that was another idiot kraut, I forget
>>65180414That reminds me, I remember (pre-Maidan) Putin's Bikers or such going on massed "tourist trips" around eastern Europe, stirring shit along the way, and of course Russia would defend their "peaceful tourists". Anyone know what happened to those assholes or has seen them recently, possibly in drone videos in Ukraine?
>>65180440Nah, that was about russias plan to rebuild their tank force, shit was planned from 2025 to 2030 with the peak in 2028 if i remember it right The hilarious part about it was that the war magically stops, or they forsake sending tanks to it all together >idiot kraut>concluding therefore that it takes 32 Patriots to shoot down one IskanderJihadi Julian i presume?
>>65180347I think the krauts made a typo: the actual report was that it'd take 5k years for Russia to build a new tank.
>>65178878Russians had more than enough banked economic resources to last till this year. They arguably still have gold as a last ditch, but it's heavily weighed against debt they would need to go bankrupt to fall back on that.This year they've been heavily gaining both commercial, governmental and personal debt to levels unforseen, but they have the economic backing of China meaning they could theoretically keep going for decades, but on their own it's not looking too pretty.Wars are not cheap after all, Russian bloggers have been getting concerned lately.
>>65180461>Jihadi Julian i presume?no, if it was him I'd have rememberedsome literal-who "thinktank" somewhere whose stupidity got picked up by media
>>65179276Yes i did. Pozzian smekalka was as stupid and funny as always. Not only did the fuel burn them up, but also the tires on them adding extra umph to the burn
>>65180481>they have the economic backing of China meaning they could theoretically keep going for decadesThat's not how China works.China may not be actively trying to economically destroy Russia and is continuing to trade with them, but that doesn't mean they're going to prop Russia up when they have nothing left to trade.
>>65180510It was probably Austrians, they're riddled with zigger apologists for some reason
>>65180650>riddled with zigger apologists for some reasonThey're political elites were sucking and fucking russian dick during the cold war
>>65180593Isn't that China's Africa playbook? Sell them shady deals that load them with massive debt and then use that as leverage to rape them further, literally making them a slave-state?
>>65180593Would the zigger public accept it if Putin tried selling them land?
>>65181051There's a reason that more than a few African nations have suddenly started pining for the colonial era. Greener grass and all that.
>>65181112I doubt they're serious but I have heard the phrase "at least the British built schools" regarding Africa/Russia/China relations.
>>65178607>There isn't a mass of tanks beyond the Urals anymore threatening to roll over the plains of Europe.What would be the point of just letting them degrade further into rust until they are no longer usable. Russia is producing around 300 t90s a year. Post war that production will build up a future stockpile.>>65180593China isn't backing Russia in any way. Trading isn't backing or simply not sanctioning and closing down trade like a lot of the countries in the EU have done isn't supporting, that's just being neutral. >>65181109>Would the zigger public accept it if Putin tried selling them land?China has plenty of land and they're already busy colonizing africa, west asia and usa/canada/australia. They scarcely need the siberian tundra from the russians
>>65181125>>65181112Depends on where you are in Africa. The anti-west niggers are definitely a "Thank god we're guzzling russian/chinese cum" while the ones with a brain are actually working on westernizing their nations despite having the civilizational debuff that their skintones receive.
>>65181397Russians and Chinese offer them food and industrial capacity. Westies offer them "democracy". Go cry about it more. Can't even colonize properly anymore in the big 26. It's not the russian/chinese cum's fault you fell off and all became pussies
>>65181425Western countries haven't needed niggers since industrialisation
>Russians and Chinese offer them food and industrial capacity. Westies offer them "democracy". Go cry about it more. Can't even colonize properly anymore in the big 26. It's not the russian/chinese cum's fault you fell off and all became pussies
>>65181433>Western countries haven't needed niggers since industrialisationthen why do you all keep importing them endlessly lmao
>>65181450The tsar wants niggers, he gets niggers
>>65181478>Didn't deny it>starts seething insteadkek.
>>65181493It's not comparable. There are 70,000 indian workers now. He just stated that at max they need 800,000 new workers. They aren't granted citizenships like they do in the west. They are actual workers sent to factories to relieve shortage. Comparing that to millions in Germany, UK or even US who are actually granted citizenships is dishonest. Again, I'd repeat it's a nice cope when your shit pile is 10 times the size, but it does not change the fact that your argument is weak and this is elite tier copium.
>>65178607Russia has about 2000 -2500 tanks left including a lot of junk (roughly 1600 mostly obsolete shit) and they are very scared of the world seeing how small their dick really is not just that but the stuff in service is a mixed bag as well.25.05.2026Tanks — 11953 (+3)Armored fighting vehicle — 24608 (+5)Artillery systems — 42687 (+47)MLRS — 1802 (+2)Anti-aircraft warfare — 1396Planes — 436Helicopters — 353Ground robotic systems — 1465 (+14)UAV — 310245 (+1924)Cruise missiles — 4687 (+55)Ships (boats) — 33Submarines — 2Cars and cisterns — 99000 (+302)Special equipment — 4218 (+2)Military personnel — aprx. 1356940 people (+1020)Ulraine should bleed them out as long as they can though, not just tanks, all heavy weapons. Harvest while the Russians offer it up daily like gud bois.@Jompy got a lot wrong particularly underestimating the numberof tanks Russia had to begin with which was pretty closee to the 13630 or so that the military balance had them on in 2022. They also caputured 150+ Ukranian units and scraped some from Belarus, Mosfilm, India etc etc.
>>65181517>lengthy post full of brown russian seethe and copeHowever you choose you cope, have fun with your unlimited beloved jeets.
>>65181478COMMENCE THE BREEDING
>>65181531Again, I do wonder, if this is not targeted shilling, then who spends the time to make endless memes to suit your political objectives.
When it comes down to it The Ukranians are probably at near parity but with a qualitative advange, they have 300+ Bradleys in 11 batallions now.
>>65181544>>65181517Why are you getting this angry lmao. You're on the verge of an emotional breakdown all because of an RT article about how hinduphillic russian culture is. Just stop being deeply in love with jeets, that's all the world asks of you ruslims.
>>65181544NTA anon but get the fuck off this board that meme is many many years old you brown twat. Reminder this site does not need or want you.
>>65181557>ou're on the verge of an emotional breakdown all because of an RT article about how hinduphillic russian culture isZiggers are trying to flood crimea with the evil little pricks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNo5m11vh58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrumvUacWxUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZYvcy_Tp70https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPTTdS1hYj0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8JYE-kbw2s
>>65181524>underestimating the numberof tanks Russia had to begin with which was pretty closee to the 13630 or so that the military balance had them on in 2022those tanks were inoperablenice try, zigger
>>65181570Read what I wrote again. At this pint Russia has maybe 1000 to 1200 tanks in service, far far lower than people realise and many of them not in great shape. They have a scrap pile of about 1600. They are out of MLRS reserves, they are out of heavy mortars and what's left of their artillery reserve is cannabailised and picked over. In fact they would have been fucked on artillery tubes and guns already if kim had not donated his reserves and about 40% of nork artillery pieces.
I hope the Indian in Crimea are shot on site by both sides when it is retaken by Ukraine. Maybe the Russians can eat them. Their 'medical degrees' should be unrecognised throughout the EU and UK.
>>65181538>the disgust and resignation on her faceGood lord.
>>65181576how do you (allegedly) know all this?are you Ukrainian GUR?
>>65181524>Personnel casualties are now back up past the 1k markOh good, I think TZD was in a slow down period due to the Russians stopping/slowing their advances or something
>>65178800It's structural also. The SU-27 design service life is ~3000 hours. The F/A-18E, a plane that operates by being yeeted by a catapult and then controlled crashing into a large ship, has a base service life of ~6000, recently extended to 10,000. The ziggers had a point though, if your flying shitbox is going to be a kill marker on the side of a NATO jet within 4 minutes of the war going hot, (and it will, 100% of the time) there isn't really much point in building it to last. So I kind of get their logic. It's no lube fucking them gangam style currently though. You love to see it.
>>65181588Russia has been having a real bad time for months
>>65178800They have had transport aicraft break apart mid flight as well, airframes stretched well beyond safe limits.
>>65181563It's hilarious that the seething vatnik bitchboy ITT ragequit the thread after your post.
>>65181576>donatedBaby, those cannons got paid for in gold up front!
>>65181582They will just serve as the next fifth column and euros will happily take them in because their elites are corrupt and their people suicidalIt is what it is
tanks are a meme anyway
>>65181606That's another reason that Ukraine needs to be in the EU to implement things like bans on jeet crimean 'medical degrees' https://www.google.com/search?q=russian+mass+immigration+hybrid+warfare+eu
>>65181606>and euros will happily take them in because their elites are corrupt and their people suicidalKeep banging that kremlin drum jd maybe putin will delete your tranny tape, maybe not.
>>65181595I was talking about the last few days/week or two where the personnel casualty listings were sub 1k. I was sure if there was just a backlog of the reporting being done or if Russia simply slowed down their assaults for whatever reason
>>65181517>they need 800,000 new workers>800,000 russiands dead or somehow missing enough limbs to be a complete drag on the economyand coming from russia's own mouth.that russian claim of 1.5 million ukrainian causalities is sounding a lot more like projection. again.
>>65178607You can just grab busted tanks from the battlefield and fix them up. They're just continously being recycled obviously which is why they don't need new ones from the inner mainland stockpiles.
>>65179054Why did he redeem?
>>65181582>maybe Russians can eat themThat would give them dysentery.>>65181586
>>65181632Ok I don’t even know how the second reply got there.
>>65179742Why are the nordics mogged by dinarids?
>>65179546LMAO, we are closing in on a reality where Algeria has a bigger tank fleet than Russia
>>65181583Good, that's what zigger gold digger whore deserve. That and an even more humiliating Chinese slave market.
>>65181576>>65181602Interesting note, the Russians are more fucked than most people realize when it comes to artillery barrels. The reason the Norks can keep dribbling them 152mm guns and barrels is that they are switching to 155mm as part of their modernization. So Russia will only get refurbished and reserve 152mm pieces, their factories are busy making new 155mm for themselves. The only real option for Russia there is 130mm which the Norks have in very large numbers but Russia don't really make ammo for, choosing that option would make them even more dependent on ammo.
>>65178607Weren't they already using delivery vans a year or two ago?
>>65181669Its honestly a pretty balling tank fleet, admittedly a lot of it is very antiquated but there is a lot they could use for training, secondary line duties and shit... then there's 600 T90's, which is a bit fucking crazy>>65181747They blew through a lot of reserves of currency and gold too, its been ages since I was paying attention but Poots blew nearly all the whole sovereign savings into Ukraine and pumping the ruble. When they started selling gov bonds in yuan that was sort off a desperate move to try and drag some currency out of the claws of the private sector that had been dealing with China.Now I think they just straight up steal it right out of the oligarchs savingsSo that does make buying arms, ammo and equipment quite problematic once all the reserves are done and they're just not getting back that 350 odd billion in western banks
>>65181756My favorite is how immediately before the war Putin was so sure of success they decommissioned 300+ BMP-2s to make Algeria's BMPT-62s and sold them 330 BMPTs. I am pretty sure Russia could use those right now.
>>65179271Not just humans. It's a known phenomenonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
>>65179163Stop making shit up
>>65179175I hope not, I really like the Soviet style tanks. As an armour modeller they are great subjects for rough metal textures, gnarly weld seams, and weathering/rust. They also look cool too.>>65179240Nta, but as a Bong I can confirm that muds and turdies get special rights and privileges here. It's become more and more obvious and the native populace is getting, shall we say 'unhappy' about it. >>65179071God's I wish Bazier would look at me like that
>>65179054>roiding for this
>>65180260Because like everything else with russia, "mothballed" is just cope. Some of those planes literally had cruise missiles already loaded.
>>65181583That's just how russian women see men overall lmao.
>>65181756>Poots blew nearly all the whole sovereign savings into UkraineWorse, he also blew the banking sector into it. Commercial banks were forced by the state to finance MIC and related shit via preferential loans, which they would never be able to get otherwise.
How many new tanks is the Russian MIC able to produce a year?
>>65182011Ukrainians claim 250
>>65181051Exactly. It's called a debt trap for a reason. Like the belt and road scam
>>65179557>I'm just saying we haven't seen footage of them being used in a very long timeThere's new footage every few days. It's just become so common that it's no longer even being talked about. It's background noise to more interesting things (like russkie oil infrastructure) exploding at this point.
>>65181563>Ziggers are trying to flood crimea with the evil little pricksIt's done on purpose, so if Ukraine magically gets some equipment to actually push Russia out of Crimea, the Russians (who we know love Indians) will claim that Indians are being killed by hohols and get India to come and help them. That's literally the playbook here. Because Russia uses the same 'protecting Russian civilians' every time they invade other places.
>>65182011>>65182019New ones or refurbished hulls?
>>65182043>Russians (who we know love Indians) will claim that Indians are being killed by hoholsAnd ukies won't give a shit. >get India to come and help themThe only thing India can help with is shitting up russia even more
>>65182049Those tanks are considered new, but they use deeply refurbished hulls, however most of the internals are new, the turret is fully new and so on.
>>65182049Ukrainians claim 250 *new* T90Msnobody has any clue how right they areJane's concedes that it's theoretically feasible, that's it
>>65179094Is he ok?
>>65182068
>>65181621I recall seeing AI-generated propaganda that was meant to stir discontent among Ukrainians about Indians working as street sweepers in Kyiv. How bizarre and specific, I thought at the time.
>>65182053they are upgraded T72s by esign of course the reuse more parts than hulls in them, they use crap welded turrets can't cast lost tech and sold the cast ones to India
>>65182104What are you yapping about, you ESL mongoloid? Go back and re-read the post. Or better yet, fuck off to your thirdie shithole part of the internet.
>>65181624>You can just grab busted tanks from the battlefield and fix them up. They're just continously being recycled obviously which is why they don't need new ones from the inner mainland stockpiles.A burnt out or exploded tank is 100% scrap metal. The amount of AFVs that are captured should be minuscle by now due to drone attacks on abandoned vehicles until they start to burn.
>>65181644>Why are the nordics mogged by dinarids?Are you thinking of body size? Croats are primarily descended from west slavic people whose original spawn point was somewhere northeast of Poland. The proto croats invaded their current area circa 1500 years ago and ethnically cleansed all the romans from there because their gods commanded it. Indoeuropean religions are explicitly racist and the gods hate swarthoids and negroes who are to be killed or enslaved. It seems that they got there in two stages, first going southwestward circa 3500 years ago to end up in southern Poland and then southwards 1500 years ago. There has been a number of west to east mass migrations in the last 5000 years. F.ex the EEFs were exterminated by the steppe dwellers wandering westwards starting circa 5000 years ago. These people eventually reached all the way to the Atlantic and the British Isles. Also, not all croats are large, its primarily a tribe that lives down by the coast somewhere around Dubrovnik. These guys are not just tall but also wide. We are obviously looking at some kind of founder effect here where all these gigapeople were spawned from a handful of families who settled the area 1500 years ago. The current era, with south to north migration, is very unnatural seen from a historical perspective. Its primary cause is the alien influence of christianity and the technological means to transport and support an enormous amount of people who are pretty much incapable of doing that themselves.
>>65178950Norkie weaponry is already being used. But chink will never ever going to sell their tank to Russia because despite being "friendly" to them, they are still having beef over their territories and seeing how bad Russia handles this war, they might better sell them off to Pakistan or some third-world fags
The oligarchs don't want you to know this, but the destroyed Russian tanks on the battlefield are free. you can take them home, I have 3705 destroyed Russian tanks.
>>65178705lol
>>65179247we are at "very bad ones" now
russian women dont discriminate based on looks, unless its about ivan, they dont date russians.
>>65182517I mean, would you?
>>65179546Hmmm trade for more Su-57
>ziggers can produce 250 tanks a yearhow? i refuse to believe this is true. in ww2 they produced fucking THOUSANDS of those every year, and now they can barely produce a quarter thousand? i understand ziggeria is a shithole but how is this possible? like if i was putin, i'd be asking my generals "why are we producing a sliver of what soviet russia could produce in ww2?" this is a genuine question, someone please explain this to me
>>65179948They've simply put them in the lots where the front hasn't fallen off. There are other lots you know, not just the ones the front came off.
>>65182833Anyone who ever said shit like 'a tank is a tank' or other trash was either lying to you or an idiot, and if you stop manufacturing something you can't regain it without all of the effort that was put into setting up those manufacturing lines in the first place. The lines for making 1945 era hardware are much less complex than the lines we have today. The tanks of 1945 are dramatically less capable than the tanks of today. And entire factories were taken apart, shipped to russia, and put back together during lend-lease. North Korea and China aren't going to do that.
>>65182833The people who set up production lines in the Soviet Union were manufacturing experts from Detroit. The collapse in the 90s saw a massive brain drain in Russia and progressively got fucking worse. Any Russian saw the writing on the wall after the 2nd Chechen War and even the ones that caught on late, jumped ship once the SMO imploded
>>65178781They're also probably way less into rape as well than zigger trainers. Now if that's a pro or con for the recruits is another question.
>>65181381>Russia is producing around 300 t90s a year
>>65181538that broad looks like one OF latex fetish content creator I saw on the hub once
>>65181381>Russia is producing around 300 t90s a year.Where are they? Couldn't Russia spare a few for that important victory parade several weeks ago?
>>65182833Back then tanks were made of turrets and hulls cast in sand molds. Now you need more complex composite armor, engines, fire control systems, etc to have a fighting chance.Same as fighters. Back then you could make airframes out of wood and stretch canvas over them. Shit is easy to produce by the tens of thousands when factory labor is cheap and the stuff you're making is relatively simple.
>>65182833>>65182867>>65182875After the collapse, the education system began falling apart rapidly along with things like qualified trades and apprenticeships. There's a reason you see 60 year old boomers in Russian tank sheds because they're sort of the only dudes left in the country who know how to do anything, even then they're old men so they're not doing anything fast because its hard work.The other major factor- OILRussia switched from industrialisation to a services and petro-state, why bother making garbage at home which is substandard, no one likes and its expensive when you can just grab a fist full of foreign currency someone paid you for fuel, crude or what-not. Call your guy, get me a decent car, German, Jap, American- doesn't matter, get me the fuck out of a Lada son. And that essentially ran the gamut off the entire vehicle processing lines of Russia, they kept some stuff on government-gibs life support to keep ticking over and dust off the tools. But for the most part they just sat on that largess of milsurp and did nothing with itVast swathes of tooling was also sold off for pennies a pound, huge lathes, power hammers, casting furnaces, sheet metal works, rolling mills all got flogged off to China and Eastern Europe, you wanted a lathe that could turn a telegraph pole sized rod of steel or a rolling mill- whole fucking lot for less than 10k to your door, no refunds, here's the schematics for parts and everything. It all got sold.Don't forget though, those tools were only half the story, the other was the people. Tradesmen, skilled workers adapted to the oil or service industry or retired.Sure, they made some stuff but it was retarded shit and make-work, prototypes and parade crap. Barely any of it reached production, its why when you analyze anything military- only look at production because prototypes don't mean shit
>>65178607You guys have been saying this since the war started
>>65183607>you guys have been saying that Russia has been losing tanks faster than it can produce them since the war startedYes and it’s still true
>>65183284>Vast swathes of tooling was also sold off for pennies a pound, huge lathes, power hammers, casting furnaces, sheet metal works, rolling mills all got flogged off to China and Eastern Europe, you wanted a lathe that could turn a telegraph pole sized rod of steel or a rolling mill- whole fucking lot for less than 10k to your door, no refunds, here's the schematics for parts and everything. It all got sold.I wonder how much it burns the Russian's ass when they tour the Nork factories and not only see Soviet heavy equipment they can't make any more but shitloads of stuff that clearly post dates any assistance they gave them. >Hey, we only gave you three of those extrusion presses, how do you have twelve of them?>Um, Juche?
>>65179141Sorry buddy, Finland and the balts just aren't comparable.If you think it's just "somehow" due to "general attitudes" or past wars you need to lurk moar.
>Largest shitbox reserve in the world is emptyfixed
>>65183284>the other was the people. Tradesmen, skilled workers adapted to the oil or service industry or retired.skilled labor brain drain is a big part of it no doubt, but another is many of the engineers that headed the soviet defense industry left the country, and taught their skills outside of russia, rather than building the next generation of defense engineers in russia. Many of them came to the US, amongst other nations. The ones that remained in Russia switched gears, and worked in other industries because it payed better, very few remained and taught upcoming engineers.
>>65182102>can't cast lost techIt's not that they technically "can't", it's just that it doesn't make sense with their small production numbers.What most people don't realize is how deeply did the russian MIC change during 1991-2022 years, which it had to do to survive. A lot of the production processes of USSR days literally wouldn't work neither financially nor in terms of labor force.
>>65182833Soviet Union != Russia. USSR had other important cunts, like for example this cunt you might have heard of: Ukraine.Also WW2 tank != modern tank.
>>65183803Imagine how they feel looking at Chinahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl5bCt21xuc
>>65182833Because russia isn't the soviet union. Like half of that USSR could do was done by Ukraine. But even beside that point, manufacturing is a complex system and the old style of soviet MIC worked based on the following pillars:- a fuck ton of manual labor done by skilled machine operators, welders and so on;- specific processes used which made sense in terms of large scale production, such as casting;- a fuck ton of money put into the system by the state;- educational system producing millions of people of potential staff for those MIC factories;ALL of those factors were rapidly disintegrating by the late soviet years, let alone post-1991. To the point that by 1980s people in the soviet union had disdain for technical trade professions, seeing them as "for bydlo by bydlo", people who were too retarded to get into uni, the drunkard rednecks and such. Demographics also slowly collapsed post-WW2 due to soviet shit, WW2 and rape of the countryside by the system. So not only did people would avoid going into studying those fields, but there wouldn't even be enough of them in terms of numbers. Why do you think USSR was so desperate to invest into new CNC-based industrial machinery and such? Because its industrial backbone gave way due to systemic neglect, system exhaustion and societal changes.Then 1991 happened and knocked out the bar stool from under the feet of everything, since the make believe budget of the soviet la-la-land economy was no longer a thing. There was no money to even keep things afloat, let alone reform it. Some sectors had to be saved by US (space, missile tech, etc), because it feared that hostile actors would hire away the talent. Some had to downsize by 10-100x in size and survive on export contracts, where one would assume the tank in storage is "free", so doing some refurb and selling it abroad for actual money was seen as great. 1/2
>>65183871A fuck ton of factories, companies and R&D centers basically died in process. I won't even go into the collapse of the inter-generational knowledge transfer and such. But basically a ton of shit which did survive had to adapt very significantly, often becoming just a shell of its former self.For example, fighter jet manufacturer Sukhoi kinda reformed itself using export markets and even invested into new machinery, but since the production had to shrink it would move from "a ton of skilled people doing a fuck ton of manual work" to "a small amount of skilled people doing some work using more modern machinery", which mostly worked out for them, outside being able to easily scale production. And yet MiG basically died, having being shoved into the same "united aircraft corporation", since the regime couldn't subsidize more than one major fighter jet manufacturer.The UVZ tank guys basically lived of doing refurbs for export and some domestic orders (especially post-2000), but had to let go the idea of massive soviet tank manufacturing because it was unsustainable. The whole failed T-14 Armata project was not just about getting a new tank but retooling and reforming the company to be able to produce actually new (not refurb) tanks in numbers which would be big by modern standards. But they've failed, because they assumed that oil price would be like $300-500 per barrel by 2020 (yes, they've extrapolated the 2000-2010 market growth, lmao) so they'll be able to solve all the technical and managerial issues with money. Money, which never materialized kek. You have to keep in mind that even during "the good days" of post-1991 russial budgeting, e.g. during 2004-2014, they've never had the money to spend like they needed to support the old ways of their MIC. Because outside tanks and jets they'd also had to finance shit like missiles, space agency, satellites, nukes, submarines, that Kuznetsov abomination and so on and so forth. 2/2
>>65178711>They will hold one, in reserve, forever. They will do this so they can roll it outLike they did with bombers during the May Day parade. Keep driving same tank around the block.
>>65178800>due to maintenance problemsRussia have plenty of spare parts.
>>65178776Who cares? Ukraine is the juiciest air target in modern warfare and they arent hitting it, which means they cant. They could have a billion million planes, ukraine is one of the weakest airforces in europe taking in to account its lack of statutory allies, and russia cant do basic SEAD. At best their air force is some defensive intercepters beefing up air defense, and a million bombers hemmoraging money for no reason because they cant ever use them against anyone.
>>65183873>And yet MiG basically died, having being shoved into the same "united aircraft corporation", since the regime couldn't subsidize more than one major fighter jet manufacturer.I mean, for the companies it wasn't so much subsidization, but the collapse allowing Sukhoi to sell to more export customers. Nobody is going to buy a MiG-29 when the Su-27 is available to them. Unless by "subsidize" you mean Russia using export customers to keep Sukhoi alive.
>>65183914All of those MIC companies receive a fuck ton of subsidies on top of what they can get in terms of export contracts. It's done in various forms, including things like direct budget subsidies, direct support, preferential loans, state guarantees on loans, slashing of debts and so on and so forth. Also, the state military orders and R&D contracts and everything else. A lot of those payments then go into investments into actually making the products better and such. Basically it's a feedback loop: one company gets less money from the state, can't invest as much, can't make better stuff, can't make the stuff cheaper, thus can't sell as much, etc. In a normal situation all companies would get some project to keep them alive and developing shit, so that once a new project is needed they could compete and you'd choose the best option. Russia lost this capability for itself.>Nobody is going to buy a MiG-29 when the Su-27 is available to themKinda, but not really. Su-27s are fuckin' big and are at least 2x more expensive than MiG-29s.
>>65183924>Kinda, but not really. Su-27s are fuckin' big and are at least 2x more expensive than MiG-29s.They're also way better in every way at being multirole aircraft, and have a range greater than a 5 minute walk from the airfield. Just look at the export sales of the MiG-29. Most were pre-1991 sales, or countries buying second-hand MiG-29s from former Warsaw Pact countries. There were basically no post-1991 new-build sales, unlike with the Su-27. State subsidies can only do so much, MiG could not survive Sukhoi hoovering up all the export customers.
>>65183949MiG-29s are good planes if upgraded, you underestimate just how big and cumbersome those Sukhois are. >Just look at the export sales of the MiG-29You do realize that it's not MiG or Sukhoi who work on export of their shit themselves? Those contracts are pushed and done by the state and the manufacturer is just a small player in the overall picture. And hence preferential shit, corruption and personal connections instantly start ruling everything. The people in RosOboronExport are all friends of the guys from Sukhoi? Well, they'll get the export contracts then. Seriously, you underestimate just how significant the state's influence in the export and development of those companies is as compared to how good the products are. Which is not to say that how good the products are is also tied to the how the state affects the companies. It's all personal connections and corruption. You don't even need to go into fighter jet manufacturing to see it. Look at russian civilian plane sector. They had IL, Tu and Yak all making kinda okay-ish (by soviet standards) products. Then state support evaporated in 1991 and all of them went into a death spiral. Then the state finally had the money due to expensive oil and decided it needs new civilian plane projects for PR reasons and such. Did it go to Tu (which actually had pretty good projects), IL or Yak and finance them? Nope. It decided to give money to... Sukhoi lmao. That's how the Sukhoi Superjet shitbox was made. And since the people making it were never a civilian airline maker they've fucked it up, despite using a fuck ton of western parts.
>>65183964>MiG-29s are good planes if upgradedNot any of the upgrades available in the immediate years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, by the time they scraped together an actual upgrade package in the form of the later MiG-29M packages it was too late an Sukhoi already established market dominance. The early post-collapse MiG-29Ms barely even had air-to-ground capability.Did backdoor shenanigans have a role to play in the Su-27 becoming the preferred export? Yes. I'm not denying that. But the Su-27 actually having air-to-ground capability worth a damn, range worth a damn, payload capacity, superior avionics etc. cannot be written off.>Look at russian civilian plane sector. They had IL, Tu and YakYeah because their aircraft were fucking death traps compared to western aircraft. I'm not saying the state wasn't propping them up prior to collapse, but post-collapse all of them had to rely on exports. There was almost no state funding to go around in the immediate aftermath. MiG at least had export customers but they completely dried up post-collapse. Sukhoi got by on exports of the Su-27, and the Russian Su-27 orders that didn't end up cancelled, MiG ate shit on the export market and got cut for similar reasons by the VKS.
>>65183284>ukrainians are ehm russians so we still kinda won, russians won the war so to say, and ehm we can rediscover the old 60s soviet tech and pretend its the glorious 1960s again, and nobody used the internet anyway. Everything is understood now yeah.
>>65178705>deflects to 'woah china advanced!'china isn't gonna go to war ever because that would hurt profits.
>>65183964>MiG-29s are good planes if upgradedThere is no fix for their engines.
>>65182833Like I said, nobody knows how true this isAll we have is the Ukrainian GUR's wordOf course it's theoretically feasible, if they've been doing major work on the T90M plant they have (prewar output: 10 new tanks a year), with Chinese and Indian helpBut confirmation? We have none>>65183230Personally I believe they may have hoped for 250 but reaching 100 is probably good enough by any standard(I'd like to see Europe's guided missile production unicorn in the span of 2 or 3 years...)>>65183849>Imagine how they feel looking at ChinaIndeed
>>65183964>MiG-29s are good planes if upgradedTo the point of not being Mig29s, yes
>>65184537I mean like better avionics, radars and ability to use modern western missiles
