>Canada to buy 6 GlobalEye AEW&C aircraft. >Up to one third of all future GlobalEye production and systems integration to happen in Toronto.https://www.reuters.com/business/canada-buy-swedish-early-warning-planes-rather-than-us-model-2026-05-27/
>>65187709My local Saab dealership doesn't think its funny anymore when I call and ask if they have any Gripens on the lot.
This at least makes sense, unlike the Gripen deal.
>>65187862there is no Gripen deal
>>65187901Yes, I'm aware. And there shouldn't be.By "the gripen deal" i'm referring to the 1000+ upvoted comments on reddit screaming for canada to reneg the F-35 contract and buy Gripen's instead (Sweden even offered local production). Which would be moronic.
>>65187910>Which would be moronicBuy fighters from an openly hostile country that threatens annexation - that would indeed be moronic.
>>65188029Canada has ALREADY bought fighters from the US, a nation that even if you DID have gripens could still easily annex you.So what exactly is your point?Do you just enjoy wasting billions of dollars?Because that's all gripens would do, waste billions of dollars setting up a new production line, setting up new logistics, new training, and by the time any gripens actually enter service, it'll be 2032+ and GCAP will be entering service ~5 years later. So let's just save some time, money, and waste, and just deal with a small initial F-35 purchase until they can be replaced with GCAP in the mid/late 2030s.
>6 aircraftWoooooooooooooo
>>65188029>annexationWe already have a nigger problem, we don't want your feral jeets
>>65188042That initial purchase was negotiated before the US put a bunch of morons into office - and yes, that damage is done.But buying more F-35 would be stupid, Canada would be at the mercy of an administration that doesn't give a fuck about contracts or agreements.Screwing the Swiss was a perfect example and will cost the US defense industry a lot of contracts in the future.
>>65188067The administration is only around for the next 3 years, the F-35 will be in service for decades.16 of them are paid for and 14 of them have the long lead components paid for (essentially a deposit for the production slot). So that's 30 F-35s canada is basically 100% committed to buying and flying.That means canada will need logistics/training/support for 30 F-35 airframes for at least the next 20 years.The SMARTEST play is to buy another 14 (for 44 total), which is half of the proposed total purchase of 88 jets, this frees up ~1/2 of the budget that would've been buying F-35s to instead be spent on other things. Since you're already committed to 30+ F-35s, going up to 44 isn't much more of a stretch, gives canada the airpower it needs in the short term, and with drone wingmen can be all canada needs until GCAP is ready in the late 2030s.Buying Gripen would simply be a waste of time and money, it would take at LEAST 5 years before they could enter service even if canada threw down $5B on a purchase TODAY, and if canada actually wants to build them IN canada it would take another 3-5 years beyond that, at which point just buy GCAP and forget about Gripen.
>>65188099Trump might be gone in 3 years, his retarded voter base won't.And who guarantees that the F-35 will be delivered faster than any alternative? Tomorrow Trump throws another hissy fit and Canada suddenly is at the end of the production line.No thanks, I take an alternative that actually gets delivered from a reliable partner and won't get cut off of spare parts over the F-35 any day.
>>65188159Yeah and Canada’s absurd Chinese-kissing ruling class will be around forever. What’s your point? There’s always idiots to deal with.
>>65188159The Canadian F-35s are already being delivered, you're just bringing up non-existent what-ifs at this point.And Sweden has no capacity to deliver Gripen on a short timescale either, they're swamped with orders.
>>65187910agreed. F-35s make sense, GlobalEye too.
>>65187709Saab has the best awacs in the world no surprise there.
>>65188176First 4 planes will go to Arizona by end of this year, first operational ones delivered by end of 2027 - but yeah, Canada might not get rid of the initial 16.Maybe fly them until there is an alternative and then sell them - I'm sure someone in the middle east wants them.
>>65187709What's the point of buying 6 of those if all they have to operate alongside them is a bunch of old-as-fuck CF-18s?
>>65188067Canada is at the mercy of the USA regardless. It is, for all intents and purposes, a client state of the United States. However it does have a need for an independent and capable air force due to its need to protect arctic circle airspace, so the F-35 is sensible, and arguably the only important defense consideration of Canada beyond signals and intelligence (and coast guard, if their coast guard is part of their defense department)
>>65188067>Screwing the Swiss was a perfect exampleWhat did Lord Emperor Cheeto Dust did to the Mountain Jews this time around?
>>65188257They fully plan to keep buying F-35s.Delivered in the next year or two with IOC in 2029-31 and FOC in 2032-35.
>>65188295I wonder if this reticence of theirs when it comes to signing a new contract for more F-35s isn't an effect of the Chinese infiltrating their politics.
>>65188269ukraine war and iran war bumped their patriot order down the wait list to possibly 5+ years so the swiss got in a pissy fit and threaten to cancel the orderit's sure to affect US defense contracts but he's making it sound like the swiss was purposely screwed over
>>65188310Oh no, what will the swiss do when they get invaded by... someone?
>>65188305more likely just putting pressure on lockheed not to raise prices even with inflation happening.
>>65188310You forgot to mention that the price tag for the patriot order also doubled.And when the Swiss didn't pay a rate for missiles they best case will get 6 years later the US misappropriated payments that were made for a F-35 order.Some might gloat when the Swiss get out-jewed but potential buyers will take note and will look for other options. A slightly less capable AD system is still better than no AD system at all.
>>65188067Trumps damage to the MICs business prospects will be felt for the next century and probably beyond. Its a good thing for strategic reliance, but if we carry on in relative peace (as we have been) then it's insane levels of economic damage to the MIC
>>65188384And thats all to blame on the swiss? If they didn't negotiate the multibillion contract with stipends on pricing, they're retarded. And the US didn't "misappropriated payments" when they did what the contract, again signed by the swiss, said could be done and moved funds for their f35 purchase to fund the patriot purchase. I'm not faulting the swiss for not wanting US MIC shit in the future, but the US didn't do what it did out of malice.
>>65188442Of course the mountain jews are to blame for it, but like the bald-spot-covering hat jews, they always kvech and project blame elsewhere.
>>65188378It's more so that buying tens of billions of dollars worth of jets from the US is about the most politically suicidal move any Canadian government could make at the moment, doubly so for the carney liberals that were elected specifically because of the "elbows up" "fuck Trump" moment that Canada's experiencing. Carney is probably also keeping it as a bargaining chip of sorts for upcoming USMCA negotiations.
>>65188067Just start screaming and crying about kill switches, ziggershill/jeetshill
>>65188442Serves them right for embargoing the sales of small arms to the United States.
>>65188533I mean they literally threw down the long lead $$ for 14 more F-35s just like 2 months ago, so clearly it's not THAT big of a deal.
>>65188029annexation is liberation
>>65187709Broke ass Canada wants yesteryear hardware. Yawn.
>>65188663https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/canada-planning-to-join-gcap-sixth-gen-fighter-program-ps-041226
>>65188663I want to see your insectoid ass offer anything better than an F-35.
>>65188671With what money? They can't even afford a fleet of fighters necessary to cover all of their airspace, much less become a senior partner in the GCAP program.
>>65188676I'm an American, dingus. We have the F-35. Canuckistan can throw their gay little tantrum and buy all the yuroshit they want. If they ever face a real military threat, it will either come from us or will ultimately result in their annexation by us.
>>65188679Canada literally just announced a $70B procurement push over the next 2 decades, a $20-30B GCAP buy in 10-15 years fits perfectly into that.
>or will ultimately result in their annexation by us.I honestly woudnt mind seeing miggers exploded by drones, zigger style
>>65188725>announcedLiterally all talk. Let's wait and see what these countries can actually produce/purchase. Canada/Eurozone aren't growing enough to support this level of spend.
>>65187901https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2059958084571660585?s=20
>>65188774It would be peak kino
>>65189608Wrong countryThere is no Gripen deal for Canada.
>>65189670If Ukraine can afford it, you think Canada can't?
>>65187838I did this once at the local Mitsubishi dealer asking about parts for a Zero, and they didn't find it funny either. Maybe one of these days I'll hit up Porshe for a Tiger IV transmission.
>>65188042>until they can be replaced with GCAP in the mid/late 2030s.This is Canada we're talking about bud. Those F-35s will be dragged along, decaying, leaking, and malfunctioning until at LEAST the 70's.
>>65188269>What did Lord Emperor Cheeto Dust did to the Mountain Jews this time around?Swiss buys patriot system, US says it cant deliver, swiss say then we wont pay, US then takes the swiss payment for F-35s and now Switzerland wont get F-35s. Cheeto jewed the mountain jews lmao.
>>65189713... With what production?Even NOT including Ukraine's order of 20, the current backlog for SAAB stretches to ~2031-34.Add Ukraine's order and that's 2033-2035+Where exactly do you plan to find Canadas 30-60 Gripens in there before 2035?The production capacity doesn't exist, and to establish production locally in Canada would take an additional 5+ years.By that point GCAP will be entering service so why bother wasting billions on gripen?
>>65189742>By that point GCAP will be entering service so why bother wasting billions on gripen?GCAP wont ever exist unless Japan decides to fund it all by itself. Bongs are going to drop out soon due to their approaching default, and the eyetalians arent far behind.
>>65189750The Italians already approved an €18.9B budget for GCAP over the next 11 years.Japan WOULD fund it alone if it came down to it.And the UK is expected to announce a 4-year £6B funding deal for GCAP just before a planned June GCAP meeting, a few weeks before the current 90 day bridge contract deadline on June 30th.
>>65189760We are like 6 months away from the next 1929 crash. Bongs and italians making promises now is their mouths writing cheques that their ass cant cash. Look at the brit 5 year gilt and see how it spiked when the latest Iran war started. Every bond trader knows that the brits will the first to crumble when a crisis hits. I just dont take euro governments seriously when they talk about money promised in the future because all that talk will evaporate when they find out that they cant afford all the shit they planned to do financed by bonds that they cant afford to issue as the enormous debt mountain they already have is being refinanced at higher and higher rates bond batch by bond batch. The euro sentiment is "we dont need to pay our debts, its so cheap to loan, and then monetary debasement shrinks the loan into next to nothing while we pay a small fee every year". Then they go on a spending spree and suddenly national debt is approaching 100% of GNP. Then comes an external shock and they have to reissue their cheap bonds at much higher rates. And this is just central government debt, regional and local government are no different, and then comes private and commercial debt. An external shock will hit everything at once and then boom the entire house of cheap debt implodes and you have a shitload of formerly well off middle class now being unemployed and bankrupt and the government is bankrupt too. And the first thing to go in these situations is investment in supderduper stealth jets because they arent helping quell rising internal unrest.
>>65189742>Where exactly do you plan to find Canadas 30-60 Gripens in there before 2035?Brazil? They're producing Gripe so now
>>65188774>>65189611cardboard ayatollah status?spreytard status?
>>65191062Brazil is producing 4-6 per year, and they're hamstrung by their workforce limits and component supply. They simply don't have the capacity to scale that production up significantly even if you were to give them a blank check.
>>65191134>Brazil is producing 4-6 per yearSAAB has said that they want to produce 36 Gripens per year with both the Brazilian and Swedish plants working in unison to meet this production number. So its quite possible that large orders could be done relatively quickly once the Brazilian plant gets the ball rolling. >and they're hamstrung by their workforce limits and component supplyActively being worked on with both the needed personnel training and technology transfers, but this obviously takes time to ramp up>They simply don't have the capacity to scale that production up significantly even if you were to give them a blank checkBetween any further future Ukrainian, Swedish and Brazilian orders I think monetary issues regarding the scaling of production can be ironed out. Especially if SAAB works out a deal with Ukraine to provide various types of avionics and airframe components. Which I believe will more than likely be a thing to get announced within the next year or so. This all being said, I don't think Canada will buy Gripens because I personally believe that they just want to wait out Trump's term and deal with the next US president before fully committing to the F35 platform.
>>65191168Sweden has 60 airframes on order, Ukraine has 20, Brazil has 14.Sweden has publicly said the SOONEST any new orders could get delivered is ~3 years, and it would just be the START of deliveries, not a full delivery of 20+ jets.If Canada wanted 30-60 Gripens, even if they were fine getting them made in Brazil/Sweden instead of made in Canada, you're STILL looking at a first delivery in ~2029-30 if you're lucky, and it'll be 2-4 jets for probably the first few years while sweden works through their existing backlog.Which means actual entry into RCAF service would be sometime around 2035, and a total 60 fleet delivery wouldn't be complete until the late very 2030s or early 2040s. Meanwhile F-35s are getting delivered in 2028/29 with IOC expected by 2030-31 and full operational status by 2035.
>>65188159>chinese talking pointsVery Implessive! Have you figured out how to make an engine yet?
>>65188099>The administration is only around for the next 3 yearsThe junta won't allow a free election.
>>65188064Tell that to Trump retard, he wants ALL the jeets.>>65188059They're not fighters...
>>65189750There is no approaching UK default, they have better debt ratio's than all of europe and the US, they just pay too much in pensions.
>>65191175>Brazil has 14Brazil has 36 currently on order. With 15 of those being produced in Brazil. Brazil has also said that they want to order 60+ more but budget constraints will most likely knock any future Brazilian orders down to 20-30 or so.>If Canada wanted 30-60 Gripens, even if they were fine getting them made in Brazil/Sweden instead of made in Canada, you're STILL looking at a first delivery in ~2029-30 if you're lucky, and it'll be 2-4 jets for probably the first few years while sweden works through their existing backlog.I think you're misunderstanding my post. I said that while Brazil is going to help with future Gripen production runs, Canada is highly unlikely to buy Gripens because they're waiting out the rest of Trump's term before committing to more orders. We also need to look at the already well established LM manufacturing deals that has Canadian manufacturers producing spare parts, etc. for the F35 program. So Canada is fully committed to the F35 program and no amount of geopolitical retardation from the very minute timespan of a US president is going to force Canada to look elsewhere for what they view as a "lesser" platform.>Meanwhile F-35s are getting delivered in 2028/29 with IOC expected by 2030-31 and full operational status by 2035.Canadian F35s? The first ones are set to be delivered later this year I thought. Unless that got pushed back because of the radar debacle that is plaguing the F35 program at the moment.
>>65191231>Canadian F35s? The first ones are set to be delivered later this year I thought. Unless that got pushed back because of the radar debacle that is plaguing the F35 program at the moment.They're being delivered to arizona for US-based training.The first ones to actually get delivered to canada will be 2028/29.
>>65191260Fair enough
>>65191212>There is no approaching UK default, they have better debt ratio's than all of europe and the US, they just pay too much in pensions.Thats not what real world data says. Just look at how skittish the 5 year gilt is. Its like a volcano thats about to erupt, everyone knows its going to happen from small quakes and gas venting, not just when.
