Why are modern military dictators/strongmen rarely good at war (strategy, organization, reform, etc.)? Even the ones who were generals previously are usually painfully mediocre at best besides maybe Paul Kagame.
>why do thirdies suck?They're not American
>>65188631Because a competant military is as much a threat to your power as any other part of your "government" being competant and anything but loyal fuck boys who lick your asshole on command to stand in your good graces.
Political struggles are much more complex than they used to be, so it's harder to accrue a decisive amount of inertia. Alexander the Great had an easier time of governing than say Gaddafi or Khamenei
>>65188631Because even the most charismatic and strategic minded dictator is usually stuck with a poor nigger country to rule over and even if they could drag them out of the stone age they would still get brutally mogged by the most mid democratic republican system made up of careerists and representatives that distribute decision making and analystics across thousands of people wanting to get a paycheck/keep their jobs regardless of loyalty and ideology, and have an incentive to scrutinize and discredit their political rivals, thus creating a war within and a war without in the national mindset that forces all government to be at least a little on top of their game. Dictatorships cannot tolerate disunity and dissent, thus they cannot keep the screws tight.
>>65188631That task can be deligated
>>65188631because they are brown third world countries? Look at where all these "strongmen" countries are
>>65188631Modern war is too complex for one man to handle effectively. When they try, important shit inevitably slips through the cracks
Weapons and warfare in general are 1000x more complex than they were when our great grandfathers were born. There are now only a very small number of camps capable of producing today's complex weaponry, and they usually they don't make enough to export to third-world regimes, who often don't have the economies to purchase or maintain them anyway. The "strongmen" are all using decades old crap and trying the quantity over quality mentality of the Soviets without the industry to back it up.A truly strong military needs the brains to create, run and maintain complicated weapons systems, a brawny industrial base to build them in-house, a capable economy to fund it, and an actual 'need' to have a strong military to begin with, because if daddy USA will protect you without you having to invest in those things, it makes more sense to avoid conflict altogether.Most military dictators don't have 'any' of those features. That goes for modern Russia too, of course.
>>65188913>Democrat willing to promote antisemitism and Russian talking points so long as he can use it against DrumphitlerdemortSad, but unsurprising.
>>65188975>Democrats >Supporting Russian talking points Didn't know Tim Pool was a Democrat. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Tenet_Media_investigation>alsoWhich admin stopped providing lethal aid to Ukraine? Take your time to answer the question, pidor.
>>65188975>bitching about muh antisemitism>on /k/
>>65188980Both Iran and Russia should be exploding because they’re both BRIICS nations. Simple as.I’m a moderate, you see.
>>65188631You've got two angles. The first is narcissism that allows someone to lobby stupid ideas directly to them and get them rammed through as long as they've got their name on it. The second the placement of figures in positions of power based on loyalty, not capability.
>>65188659It's closed to Iran. They hedged their bets on the US getting tired of a closed strait that we don't use before they themselves, with 90% of their economy relying 100% on an open strait, would. It was a really bad fucking bluff
>>65188876>Modern war is too complex for one man to handle effectively.18th century warfare was too complex for Napoleon to single-handedly handle it effectively. That's was what Berthier and all the other Marshals are for.No great warlord has did anything alone. They either already had an elite team all-star team around that they inherited or they carefully selected them based on merit. The problem with Strongmen is that they don't inherit elite all-star teams because they came to power in vacuums either devoid of them or that they took out during their ascent to power because they were rivals. They also don't promote them because they're insecure about their position of power and believe a subordinate who's too competent will eventually try and take power for themselves or aid another person who will. Thus, the strongman's elite team is almost always full of mediocre cronies, with the few elite talents being intentionally kept on leashes, kept from standing out too much, or simply purged.Even Napoleon, literally dubbed the greatest general to ever live and most competent person in history, did it at least once with Moreau.
>>65188988It's a tiresome thought terminating cliche invoked by fucking retards looking to get gentle little asspats from other fucking retards, neither of which have ever had an original thought in their lives.
>>65188631By the time you get to be in charge of an entire civilization, a task easily achievable by being good at war, 95% of the shit you have to deal with has nothing to do with war so you don't even have time to do what you're good at even if your nation is in the middle of the war. You have to deal with a bunch of richfags and keys to power and trying to stop a chimpout. It's just a bunch of bullshit. It's a tale as old as time.
>>65188913Donnie worships shinies like a magpie. And DA JOOS have a lot of shinies
>>65188659Trump decided he would rather have a Nobel Peace Prize than to not be humiliatearinoed.
>>65189107>18th century warfare was too complex for Napoleon to single-handedly handle it effectivelyIndeed, and modern warfare at least an order of magnitude more complex than thatIt is completely beyond even the most talented and skilful set of individuals - only a genuine institution, operating at scale, can handle modern war.It requires thousands of trained and motivated specialists operating in a complex and well designed organisational system to achieve the kind of capabilities the West has now, it simply can't be done by Great Leader and his loyal marshals no matter how skilled they are
>>65188631>semi competent general makes a decent move against who they’re fighting >dictator thinks this might be a threat and either kills him or fires then replaces him with yes man
>>65188631unironically: watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes
>>65189107Well, you just can't have quality cronies, if you're a strongman despot your main job is beating people who object to you being someone who won't go away and give them a slice of the top job. You need to employ retards as your direct staff, or have them on a choker chain so if they run too fast or start fucking around you can yank on it and AAACK! they come back into heel.That runs the gamut of upper despot-politicsThe only ones with a brain allowed are maybe 2-3 tiers down from the staff and their job is to sort of tard-wrangle the mess mostly on track or at least make it look less like two monkeys fucking a football. This NEVER EVER applies to anyone in a despots military, under no circumstances can you let anyone capable, smart or even vaguely competent in the military because they will steal your job. If that means a bajillion of them have to die assaulting your neighbour because they're too fucking stupid to figure out how to do anything more complicated than bash unarmed protesters- that's just tough shit for them, send in some more. Maybe once in a while replace the retard in the military 'responsible' but under no circumstances give them anything that could be construed as 'power'
>>65188631Because dictators maxxed intrigues and charisma during characters creation. That allowed them to become dictators in the first place.Players who maxxed military strategy lost game of Thrones.
>>65189107Napoleon was a case if a perfect storm, like Caesar.Military commander prodigy kept in backwaters. He is given command by Capitol politics completely boggged in intrigues and infighting to handle provincial wars for them and he does it so brilliantly he wins popular vote and power for himself. When Capitol politics recognize that they created dictator in waiting and try to remove him, it's too late. Such circumstances bring competent general into power.
>>65188631Putin is the furthest thing from military, he is KGB. The whole "special operation" meme comes from the KGB mentality. Russia's war on Ukraine could've gone much better if it had been planned as an actual war against another military that shoots back, rather than a "special operation" meant to succeed through subversion.
>>65189413It's curious how any man's uprising (including country leadership) shapes his actions for his entire life.
>>65188631Because they turn their military force inward to keep their power and allow the military to extract wealth in exchange for their position at the top.
>>65188631They weren't really good back then either.
>>65189310This.Shithole regimes do not have a military that is meant to win wars, it is a political tool meant to prevent rebellion, and nothing more. Also, here's a quote that really took for me for a loop when I read it last week. Saddam's simlarities to Ukraine need not be said:>That he was able to survive potentially fatal mistakes—such as the invasions of Iran and Kuwait—only served to fuel his self-confidence>Indeed, according to Saddam’s former presidential office director, Hamid Yusif Hammadi, “after the Iran-Iraq War, Saddam was intoxicated with conceit>He believed he was unbeatable.”>Incongruously, Saddam persistently claimed both privately and publicly that the 1991 Persian Gulf War had ended in an Iraqi victory.Source: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/2007/RAND_MG544.pdf
>>65189438Similarities to the Ukraine War (Putin) need not be said*Not a zigger, just a typo.
>>65188631"strongmen" tend to surround themselfs with yes-men and asslickers and those people tend to ineffective military leaders
>>65188631The skillset required to become a modern dictator is totally different than war strategy. You might as well ask why a professional actor isn't very good at running a turret lathe, or why machinists have poor acting skills.>Even the ones who were generalsMost modern generals are glorified office managers. Again, the skillset is totally different. These people are experts at negotiating the internal politics of the organization, not logistic or strategic experts.>ReformAs other anons have already pointed out, "reform" is often specifically avoided because you want to keep control over the armed forces, not allow them to kill you in a coup, which has been the end of many dictators.
>>65190291Oh look, an actual zigger. What's the point of making these posts?
>>65188631I think it's a reflection of politics, like the point is more about emitting a theatrical, cult-like, sadistic aura of power and violence to scare the shit out of people and to remind their own citizens (as well as others) that if you mess with the state then they'll stomp your face in, so you gotta do the Victory Day parade, gotta do the kick flips in the Veh-Deh-Veh song and jump through the flaming hula hoops.But for all the infinite wisdom here this has various problems, like the odds of being brutalized in the army are a lot higher which wrecks morale and interpersonal trust, and there's also a higher likelihood of the soldiers committing "personal" face-to-face war crimes like in Bucha which just outraged the people the Russians were trying to conquer into stiffer resistance while they had basically zero clue what the overall plan was, like thinking this display of domination and killing in cold blood would quell civilian resistance, as you'd do if you had already won (they hadn't), wow great idea let's piss these people off even more than they already are:https://youtu.be/dK-AU8U7w-0That's not to let Western armies off the hook in terms of atrocities, but I think it's less in terms of killing people in cold blood, it's rather more "modern," that is, impersonal or procedural like dropping a building (and anyone who happens to be in it) if they think there's a bad guy in it.
>>65190318The goal is to be so tiresome and annoying that you give up so he can control the narrative more easily.
>>65188631Putin was a spook and and probably a gangster, not a soldier. He was decent being those things until he got too old and paranoid and overplayed his hand.
>>65188631>Why are modern military dictators/strongmen rarely good at warBecause mentally healthy people do not become dictators.They're all psychotic and narcissistic.They can be good at acquiring and keeping power but those do not make you a wise man.
>>65188631Min-maxxing loyalty when making appointments over long periods of time. The only people in the entire Putin's cabinet who are not his childhood friends or his personal cavemen guards are the head of the central bank, the head of finance ministry and the head of the federal tax service.
>>65189282Ah yes the humiliation of Iran not being able to control its own territorial waters.
>>65189420Sounds like China honestly.
>>65189511It's weird to think that Obama had every single component of a dictator around him and that we were saved from it entirely by his husband keeping him so fucking whipped and submissive.
>>65190692>his husbandhave some respect
>>65190710I don't respect Barack Obama and neither does anyone on this board who isn't a shill or a plebbitor who came here to armchair general for conflicts they would never participate in. He was a terrible human being, a terrible POTUS, a terrible diplomat, a worse military leader, and a failure as both a father and a son.
>>65190692Yeah
>>65190736>Wall of text that quotes "Political Science research">Wall of text that calls the DEI establishment meritocraticWhy did you cut off the source and how did you find here from r/cuck?
>>65190752What source did I cut off?
>>65190777Did you literally just ask AI, Lil Chang?
>>65190804It's a jeet, they're seething right now because they can't get into the US anymore and nobody and nothing is more ungrateful than a jeet.
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>>65190823Yeah, and you did none of that here >>65190736Instead you did an appeal to authority fallacy only that authority was google's AI quoting people's feelings. Fuck outta here, reposting the white man's argument charts you can't even read, Shitdeep.
>>65188631Short answer: to qualify as a true democracy a state has to be stable, rule over a high-trust society and be prosperous. Meanwhile authoritarian is anything that does not fullfill these criterias which means if we are playing the numbers games of how many authoritarian nations suck and how many TRUE democratic nations do the latter will always win just by having higher entry standards. Otherwise, Democracies are not inherently superior at war. You cannot just change the system of goverment and exspect the military to automatically become competent, that's not how militaries work. Free elections are not going to undo the corruption, they are not modernising the equipment, they are not fixing outdated doctrines and they are not uplifting morale. There is a reason every state in history had wartime measures where the head of state is given absolute or at least almost full power until the war is over. And there are examples of democracies that sucked ass in war or still do (WW2 France and post-War Germany. The Union during the American Civil war also showed ineptitude at the start and could onld recover from its mistakes because they had overhwelming superiority over the Slave-states).
>>65190736Do trannies actually think that DEI was meritocratic?
>>65190890To be fair they also think Cuba is a paradise and that Russia was a military superpower until the exact moment they were told to support Ukraine because a few Democrat politicians were extorting Ukraine's aid money.
Am i the only one thst thinks putin got fucked by the bbc?
>>65190972Does JD even do anything, or did Trump put him in the cuck shed for not toeing the line about Iran?
>>65188631>TraoreIt is nothing short of a miracle that this nigger is still in power
>>65190997JD is doing the humiliation ritual for the orange man, he called Trump a cunt and Trump will never forgive as well as JD married a mud person which is bad for the bloodThat's why he gets sent to fucking weird jobs like Pakistan for peace talks, Hungary for Orbies failure and Greenland to look like a retarded tourist no one wants to talk to. Traditionally the VP is just the reserve waterboy on the bench, maybe you drag them out for opening a hospital wing or funeral. Apart from that they're kept out the back and ignored
>>65188913>fail to stop the Iranian nuclear program (which would have never came to be if you just followed the previous administration's progress)Undoing everything Obama ever did was goal #1 of donnieI've no idea how Obama lives so large and rent free in donnie's head but he clearly does.You'd think that having won the presidency of the united states would settle all scores you ever had but a narcissist can never, ever be free of the shame that consumes them every waking moment and that they live with, terrified that it will be exposed at any moment.https://youtu.be/59_o7EGGoaM?t=265
>>65190687>Sounds like China honestly.That actually wasn't true before Tiananmen Square.There was a real crisis in the PLA over that because Chinese communists have a real habit of believing their propaganda and many generals of the PLA believed that they were duty-bound to Iliberate (defend) the people.The purges that followed were about removing these people and making what you say, true.
>>65190733>I don't respect Barack Obama and neither does anyone on this board who isn't a shill or a plebbitor who came here to armchair general for conflicts they would never participate in. He was a terrible human being, a terrible POTUS, a terrible diplomat, a worse military leader, and a failure as both a father and a son.Go snort another line donnie jnr
>>65191141>Traditionally the VP is just the reserve waterboy on the benchTwo brothers chose their careers.One went to sea to seek his fortune as the captain of a merchant exploreer.One went into politics and became vice president.Neither were ever heard from again.
>>65188631Same reason they have never been good at war, they prioritize loyalty over competence so you end up with a chef in charge of a PMC or a Fox news host in charge of the military.
>>65191251He's a black guy who was president. Look at the seething here: >>65190733I don't think this retard can elaborate on any of the points he made aside from some dumbass shit he scrolled through on /pol/, half of which are just personal attacks because he thinks obama being a negro makes him worse than he is (he's not, lbj was on the money about how easy it is to get trailer trash on your side)
>>65188631Ego. You need diversity of opinion to take the best course of action. Dictators can't tolerate/survive outside interference. It's total control or bust
>>65190692>>65190733>t.
>>65190972>>65190997>>65191141>>65191276>>65191279>>65191389Why did you reply to yourself over and over just to seethe third-worldishly about Trump? And how are you convincing yourself Iran would stop building nukes just because they were handed money to build nukes?
>>65191268>nuh uh communism was doing great and then-No it wasn't.>>65191270Post guns, commie. You can't because you don't own any, and you will never, ever get ours.
>>65191278Hegseth being fit and hating DEI triggers so many fat trannies it's unreal.
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>>65191539I like competence and hate DEI, a Fox host getting a generals job for having the "right" opinions is peak DEI.
>>65191547Is that why you cry about Obama's "just give them pallets of cash for promises not to build nukes" strategy getting undone? Nobody is buying it, shill. You're crying because some senior official with "the right opinions" and a commitment to DEI at the cost of mission effectiveness didn't get the job, just be honest about it. You're mad that you lost. And that's why you'll always be a loser.
>>65191557I think the JCPA was a pretty good deal that cost about 1% of the bombing campaign that has achieved nothing.
>>65191547Competence which you defined as DEI here >>65190736
>>65191564Not me, I hate AI with a passion and would never slop post.
>>65191563>I think giving Iran a lot of money to spend on nukes is a good idea because they said they wouldn't build nukesIran's ability to be a problem has been completely degraded, their military is gone and they're down to blindly winging shitheeds. Just be honest, you're mad because you can't get preferment for being a faggot in the US military anymore. Or pretend to be a chink because it would be less embarrassing for you, at least then you would be shilling for your own country's race instead of trying to destroy your country from within, and cheering on the very corruption that threatened to take away our liberties for decades. This is a gun board you fucking faggot. Why do you think nobody here is on your side? Because you keep trying to ban and steal our shit. Please kill yourself with a noose so you don't get counted as part of a gun violence statistic.
>>65191568It's funny watching MIGAs sperg out while being unable to make a single factual argument.The bombing killed a 86yo man and put his son in charge, nothing else has changed and Trump lacks the balls to go boots on the ground to force real change.
>>65191563You have the exact same mentality as the anti-gun Karens who insist that trying to disarm law abiding gun owners after a mass shooting (invariably by a tranny) is At LeAsT dOiNg SoMeThInG. Do you at least get paid to post here?
>>65191577You are literally complaining a country wasn't disarmed enough, I want Iran to have nukes, I want every country to have nukes.
>>65191576And there it is, the mask cracks and out peeks the butthurt goatfucker salty that prayers to Allah didn't stop one Ayatollah getting sent to hell and another castrated if he's alive at all.
>>65191580Oh so now you're admitting you wanted Iran to have nukes. So your problem isn't with Trump's competence, it's that Obama was incompetent and you liked that because it benefitted you and other followers of your pedo prophet.
It's all very organic, isnt it? Notice the insistence on culture war scarewords and boogeymen.
>>65191582>>65191584I don't like wars, I think Israel wouldn't bomb a nuclear power with MRBMs.Which part do you disagree with?
>>65191584Behind every "concerned American patriot" "worried about Trump's extremism" is a prayer mat and a very unhappy goat.
>>65191588No, you like wars just fine when you're chimping out on your thirdie neighbors, but when the US takes over the Strait and bends the world's oil routes through the Gulf of America you piss yourself crying because like any child your bluff hurt you way more than it hurt the adults in the room.
>>65191597This is exactly it. They're children holding their breath in hopes that they won't get sent to bed.
>>65191597>>65191606I hate Israel attacking 3 countries at once, I hate Israel full stop.You are paid to convince people Israel is good, we will never agree.
>>65191613>You are paidYou shill for the anti-gun party because you are a goatfucker simping for other goatfuckers and crying that the US btfo your last great goatfucker hope.
>>65191592sometimes there's a chinaman
