What sorts of jobs actually fall under the intel umbrella? And what would be the best for transitioning to a civilian career? Something that would help get me into government jobs

What jobs aside from 13N are remote and isolated but relatively light on work. How difficult is it to get 13N?

>>65190083
>What sorts of jobs actually fall under the intel umbrella?
What branch are you looking forward to joining? Each branch has different names.
>And what would be the best for transitioning to a civilian career? Something that would help get me into government jobs
All of them would and they all pay roughly the same. The question is which one do you find interesting.

>>65190857
I'm joining air force. Looking through the things, Cyber Warfare Operations or SIGINT/GEOINT seem pretty cool. I took my PiCAT this week and next week will be the verification test and MEPS.

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will becoming an infantryman cure my alcoholism?

>>65191296
That's like asking if becoming a pornstar will cure your nymphomania.

>>65191255
>gigabased and galaxy brained
SIGINT
some cyber
>based and redpilled
other cyber
GEOINT
>king of midwits
All-source
HUMINT
>what transitions to a civilian career???
In theory, all of it. In practice: I want you to go to clearancejobs and usajobs and browse jobs in the intel career fields for a while and take note of the most common applicant requirements and experience levels. This will give you a better picture of what is actually feasible - some fields, the right experience and qualifications could maybe let you line up a job right after 1 contract, but for most things, you're looking at 5+ YOE and a degree to get looked at.

Bump i guess

Also, besides the 2 years what's the difference between a 4 and 6 year contract? Ive been told you can get promotions faster, but is there anything else of note?

>>65192296
It's just the 2 years and whatever bonuses they throw in at enlistment, it shouldn't even matter for promotions beyond they probably won't want to promote you if your contract's nearly up and you don't plan on extending

>>65189661
I’m in Air Force DEP at the moment and my recruiter recently offered me several AFSCs that he says are similar to the ones in my job list (they aren’t). He says because I got in with a waiver that I should be ready to take anything they give me whether it is on my list or not. Is this true? Was the job list they made me do a formality this whole time? I declined the positions but I can tell he is getting annoyed with me.
I put two open aptitudes in there: electric and general so I thought I would get a decent chance of getting something in those.

>>65191255
If you are deadset on Intel, join the Army or Navy because they let you job-lock. For the other branches, including the Air Force, you will need to pick a list of jobs.

>>65192296
Do not get the 6-year contract. Faster E-3 promotion does not matter in the grand scheme of things at all. If you hate your life in the Air Force you will be stuck for the next 2 years.

>>65191296
The military life is stressful. It will make it worse and you will probably get another addiction during your time, like smoking.
Many such cases. Sad!

>>65192523
dont let your recruiter pressure you , if theyre not offering the type of job youre actually interested in dont join

>>65190157
The enlisted jobs that support 13N's

>>65192529
Honestly I think it'd be better. Mostly joining military because I don't really have any prospects otherwise and I'm hoping to get good training while i'm. I know they'll pay for school and shit so longer might be better. And I am thinking about doing a whole 20 years, but I guess I have time to think about that after my first contract.

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>>65189661
Is 28 too late to try to get a commission in the Army? I'm finishing my masters in a security related field in December and I have a bunch of internships in the same area but never got a job offer. Will I be taken seriously by other 2LTs?

>>65193636
No the max age is 31 and also no one will care for your age.

>joining the military for anything other than pilot
ISHYGDDT

>>65194052
Post a timestamped picture of your wings

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Threadly post

Army HPSP here, happy to answer questions about what its like getting medical school through the military. Dental and vet are pretty much the same.

I can also interpret medical DQ concerns. Give me a day or two to respond, likely.
>branch, condition, meds, etcetera.
I cannot answer questions about how deep genesis goes, MEPS doctors, etc. I ain't a MEPS doctor.

>What do you do?
New US MD Graduate, going into residency

>>65195384
Have fun going to prison for illegally owning weapons as a felon btw.
One routine traffic stop by police and it's fucking over for you.

>>65195515
Why? Because id be taking advantage of the same system that all the 3rd world migrants are learing at and collecting millions of dollars from. While servicemen are paid sub minimum wage.

How do I find a recruiter who is okay with doing some stuff remotely?

>>65195684
just call them? idk what you are trying to get done remotely and odds are most recruiters will want you to come in person for a lot of things
my gut feeling is something came up when you tried going through your local recruiter and he was unwilling to continue the process with you because of it. is that on the mark?

>>65195643
A private 2nd class makes give or take ~$2700 a month and that turns out to ~$32000 a year.
Federal minimum wage is $7.25. Depending on the state it could be higher or lower. We're not calculating taxes either.
If you worked for federal minimum wage your yearly income is $15000.
Your compensation package as an E-2 in the military is worth double your yearly salary.
So while you only have 32 grand takeaway you are living like you make $60000 which is higher than $28/hr. That is before taking into account other benefits like tuition, housing, or training schools.

Your malicious seething falls apart the moment one examines the numbers.

You are still going to prison BTW. LOL enjoy walking on eggshells with the law the rest of your life, retard.

>>65195850
The math that this wanna-be fifth columnist is using for pay is a misunderstanding of "duty, leave, or liberty", and he is calculating an hourly rate based upon an impossible hypothetical of a servicemember working 24/hrs every single day. Of course, he wouldn't apply that logic to other professions that are on-call or work extended hours, because his concerns have nothing to do with pay but are instead fueled by a personal hatred for the military that his tax money funds. Then again, if his highest aspiration is to be on 100% disability, maybe he is NOT paying any taxes due to underpaying or nonexistent employment.

Now watch the smoke rise out of his ears.

my air force recruiter talked about the different jobs shes had throughout her career without changing her specialty and how theres a lot of job flexibility, in other words youre not locked in to a specific job your whole career, how true is this?

>>65195938
idk about air force but extrapolating from the army, it heavily depends on your specific job/rate/MOS and the one you want to swap to and what the manning numbers look like for both jobs at the time you try to do it, plus additional possibly fuckery like chain of command approval.
ex. your job is overstrength and the one you want is understrength? should be doable. your job is understrength and the one you want is overstrength? you're cooked.

>>65195938
I'm having trouble interpreting your post, but as >>65195953 said, you can voluntarily retrain to different AFSCs throughout your career, the ease (or even possibility) of which depends on circumstances.
But given you specified
>without changing her specialty
I assume she's talking about how much an AFSC's work can change based on base/unit/etc. So yeah, the job can vary heavily even in the same AFSC. Using cyber transport (network comms, think routing and switching) as an example, the most generic posting would arguably be at a base comm unit fixing computer network issues, updating switch configs, hanging out in the server room, maybe running cables. But there are a massive amount of other jobs that AFSC does; expeditionary comms, base security systems, monitoring ISR data feeds, (babby-tier) cyber security, niche assignments like Armed Forces Radio, get some other comm AFSC's job thrown at you, hell you could join JCU and go run around in the desert with JSOC. And of course the higher your rank, the more you lean into management than technical work.
Security forces would have been a much better example than cyber transport, but I already typed that out.

Also at some point in a career, an Airman is expected (maybe required, idk) to do a DSD assignment (recruiting is one of those) before going back to their original AFSC.

>>65195953
>>65196016
i see, so its basically about overlap of your job entailing different things depending on assignment/location/needs, i imagine actually changing your AFSC is less common

>>65195850
>places are still paying 7.25 anywhere
>anyone actually works those jobs save for old people with nothing better to do.
>living in a barracks room that doesn’t qualify for section 8 housing
>having to pay out of pocket fot it when they sent you to a moldy room.
https://taskandpurpose.com/military-life/army-general-isenhower-mold-barracks-discipline-adulting/
>Being sent to 3rd world shitholes to spread "freedom"

I'll join, get to basic and claim bi-polar and take the free 4k a month. Thanks though.

>training schools
Because jobs in the real world care about your rank or "i did this school where I jumped and crawled over stuff so I can slide down a rope out of a helicopter!"

Recruiters would do anything to make the military sound good. Yet will never explain why people are so happy to get out.

>>65195926
>Of course, he wouldn't apply that logic to other professions that are on-call or work extended hours-
Im guessing you don't understand that in the real world you get paid time and half for that, and can quit whenever you want.

>>65196282
You'd be guessing wrong, Robert. In fact, I can't think of any time you have guessed right. What ever happened to that draft you were moaning about? The 5 billion dead by 2027? The clotshot?

>>65196275
>oh no I joined the military now I cant qualify for section 8!!!
Do you think ghetto black people are browsing a 4chan thread waiting to be convinced to not join the military?
Why the fuck would you care about S8 when you get the VA loan anyway? Are you retarded?

Anyways you arent joining shit because you got a BCD. Have fun with that illegally owned firearm though. Cant wait for you to slip up and spend well deserved years in the pen.

>>65196275
>>65196507
Upon a second read, it occurred to me you may have been trying to say the barracks itself wouldn't qualify for section 8.
Anyway the point still stands, who the fuck is thinking about that except poverty minded ghetto trash?
>jobs in the real world
Jobs in the real world give SO MUCH LESS OF A SHIT about you. Like seriously, have you ever fucking worked a "normal" job in your life?
And you conveniently only address parts of my reply that you can pick apart because you don't have anything negative to say about the benefits you wish you had before you fucked your entire life up.

On the topic of pay, is it the same for across a rank regardless of what job you do? I dont know ranks so for this particular hypothetical, a pilot and mechanic of same rank

>>65196552
He's saying the barracks are lower quality than a house in the ghetto you lunatic. Can you read at all?

>>65197214
Base pay, yes, but there are certain job-specific incentives that can increase your pay.

>>65197216
Oh thats cool that he's saying that. I'm saying Robert is built for BBC in Leavenworth penitentiary.
Maybe Robert should type clearer like me if he wants to make any cohesive point at all.

Hey guys newfag here who the fuck is robert?
QRD?

Please stop deadnaming Roberta. She is a beautiful qween that deserves more respect.

>>65197492
Just another attentionwhore who likes to talk about himself as if anybody knows or gives a fuck who he is.

Bad runner at Fort Sill.
Blue Phase!
I'm making it!
Bum feet but I'm making it! My DS complimented me, genuinely, and I'm the platoon robot, whenever he sees me he just says "Beep Beep trainee."
Thanks you guys, for all your encouragement. Three more weeks!

>>65198411
you got this anon

>>65198411
Those 3 weeks are going to fly by. Looking forward to hearing from you near the end of June

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>>65198411
>my DS complimented me

>Being in the military but not as a pilot
Basically the equivalent of being a janitor in a professional football club kek

>>65199837
Post wings with timestamp.

>>65199837
Post illegally owned M1911

>>65199857
Dat nigga don't even got a CAC let alone wings

how much faster does the army ship you out to boot camp compared to the air force?

>>65199920

Depends on your selected MOS and the space they have available. Let's say you signed up to be a aircraft electrician. The Army might have more a pressing need AND space in their schools for that, so your turnaround time might be significantly shorter.