Previous:>>65121554What are FRTs:Forced Reset Triggers (FRTs) are firearm modifications that allow semi-automatic rifles to fire more rapidly by automatically resetting the trigger after each shot, while still requiring a trigger pull for each round. They increase the rate of fire without converting the firearm into a fully automatic weapon.List of platforms that offer FRT/Super Safety support or are currently in development, footage and recommended distributed sellers.https://kg2g.github.io/FRTINFO/webpage/FRTINFO.htmlRecent News:- AS Designs's drop-in cassette trigger for for HK roller-delayed platforms releases July- Duality Arms Co. releases their 3 position PS90 FRT (RATL-R)- LWRC SMG 45 FRT trip is released by Frankenstein Armory- Pembleton & Sons is releasing soon a drop in super safe compatible cassette for the OEM MP5 lower.- Hoffman (super safety developer) launches a support site for legal fees against Rarebreed.http://www.givesendgo.com/hoffmantactical
Galil FRT footage, unsure who makes it
rarebreed is back in stockshould I cop?the ambi one for hkor wait for some other brands drop in pack
Can the one retard get trialed already for selling FRTs in Florida?
>>65191347It's really expensive for what it is, you could look into the ARC V2 as well. It's cheaper and has HK selectors with 45 degree options. You also could use other triggers like Geissele if you wanted.
>>65191347Literally anything besides raregreed, even nothing is better.
>>65191034Million dollar question is will it work with AR/ARM/SAR and micro galil's because imho the only good ACE's were the now discontinued rock and locks, esp after unfucked from their plastic bits
>>65190976whats this?
>>65191510this is AS Designs's drop-in cassette trigger for for HK roller-delayed platforms https://activesafetydesigns.com/arhk/
>>65191449>>65191383I'm thinking of waiting for the ARHK from ASDrarebreed does seem kinda scummy
>>65191730Just realized you meant for the MP5, I thought you meant the 416.Yeah check out the ARHK, seems like it will be cool.
>>651913472 time raregreed consoomer here. I own the standard AR and MR556 FRT and they both work great. My friend has an MP5 one and it runs almost identically to a full auto MP5. If you have 600 bucks and want a 3 postion MP5 FRT then I would cop.
>>65191034>brown person with a ponytail and a nose ringanon w-why did you have this saved?
>>65191347I would never ever give Rage Greed Niggers a single cent. They use that money to sue every single other person developing super safeties and forced reset devices. If RBT gets enough money, they could completely destroy the forced reset revolution that hinges on needing widespread success within the next 3 years.
>>65191835The MP5 rbt be poppin' but the ARHK will be much, much better
>>65192257>t. 18 year old libertarian who just learned patents exist
>>65191512sorry what gun?
>>65192498AP53
kuna drop FRT in standard housing was just released on odyseehttps://odysee.com/@YourBroStevo:8/Kuna-Drop-In-FRT:chttps://old.reddit.com/r/supersafety/comments/1tr5yia/kuna_drop_in_is_now_public/
Vz58 wen
5.7 is a dead meme cartridge-- ACK5.7 is overpriced .22 magnum-- ACKIt's not a real P90 with the long barr- ACKIt's not a real P90 unless it is f-- ACKthe MP7-- ACKhttps://files.catbox.moe/9br7xj.mp4It might have taken a 13 years of me posting on here but you lost 5.7 doomsissies. Apologize immediately
>>65192936damn nice, which frt did you go with?
>>65192956I got the Dorin one. Not gonna lie it's been a fucking nightmare until yesterday when I had it back and working. Just had to deal with 5 months of preorder + hours try to assemble it only to find out the actuator was too small + getting doxxed because someone at FN Specialties doesn't know how to use BCC + Getting told the wrong address to send it to for repairs to Dorin and paying $20 to send it to the wrong address + waiting an entire extra fucking month to get it back + drowning the triggerpack in CLP + dryfiring it 300 times despite them saying not to dryfire it + 200 rounds ($90 in ammo). Theoretically I think they should've used nylon for the hammer because it doesn't need much lubrication but besides that it's working great it seems after all that bullshit. The cheap fucks didn't even bother color filling in the selector switch and they used F instead of A for some reason. I dunno maybe I'll try color filling it or maybe I'll try to get ahold of an FN plastic one with the correct colorfilled markings for a P90
>>65192978I just sent my part back. How intuitive is it to use? How much does finger pressure matter? Is it something you have to think about or does it just run? Malfunctioning with a death grip makes sense, just curious where it is on the scale from Glock FRTs where finger pressure means a ton or ARs where it matters significantly less?
>>65192983It definitely has a break in period (I think dryfiring helps) and you need to lube the hell out of everything. The progressive part takes some getting used to if you want to avoid the single shot - burst and have it be seamless. In the 150 rounds I fired today I didn't have any issues with finger pressure or anything. When I first was testing before all the rounds and before the lube/dry firing I think I was putting too much pressure and it would simply stop the burst and you'd just have to move your finger forward to let it reset and then continue, wasn't like a dead trigger or anything. Still was able to do 25 round bursts by the end of the first day (I was only half loading mags). I'm gonna go out on a limb with some schizo theories here but I think the original issues are because people managed to assemble it in spite of the actuator being super tight and because it was super tight it was creating issues and causing the guns to choke up and suddenly slow the rate of fire. Now in my limited experience with 2011s and 3D printed junk, an overly tight sear leads to an obnoxiously heavy and inconsistent trigger pull
>>65192779>been wanting a Kuna for a bit>now its got a drop in>fuckKuna or AP5?
>>65193075the 3d printed one is 2 position only if you care, butBlack Talon Tactical is working on 3 position FRT compatibility for stock Kuna lowers. https://kg2g.github.io/FRTINFO/Footage/KUNAFRTSTOCKLOWER.mp4
>>65193067gotcha, thanks for the insight>I was putting too much pressure and it would simply stop the burst and you'd just have to move your finger forward to let it reset and then continuehow easy is it to do this?
>>65193119See I haven't intentionally tried to induce a malfunction since I fired it a bunch and did the lubrication and dryfiring and I also haven't had a malfunction since then. I wasn't thinking about "how" soft or hard I should be pulling the trigger in that video either if that makes any sense. The progressive trigger and the distances required for each stage requires more brainpower for me rather than how tight I'm pulling it but I can kinda judge that by simply pulling back until my index finger is touching the plastic of the trigger card if I want to skip through that stage and go straight to FRT?
>>65193187Ah I see, thanks!
>>65192978>getting doxxed because someone at FN Specialties doesn't know how to use BCC top jej
>>65192936I hope by the time they get to my preorder they have less issues than you did anon. I NEVER imagined I would be able to do what you just did and it makes me excited.
>>65192469Are you pretending not to know RBT patented Hoffman's invention and then sued him or are you just a newfag? Either way STFU bitch.
>>65190976Is there a reliable 3 position AK frt yet? Worried my state might ban them soon and I want one before that happens. I shoot at indoor ranges too often to justify giving up the semi position entirely
>>65193940not yet
>>65193940>P90's, AR's, HK's of practically every long gun flavor, B&T's, Glocks, SCAR's, MAC'S,etc all get selectable FRT's>Slavshit AK's, Beryl, and soon to be Galil's all stuck with 2 positionIt sucks to suck I guess
>>65193927Oh did he? Surely he brought up that prior art in his lawsuit right? Right?.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1duyfKvXFkE
>>65192978Glad to hear you got your trigger pack back. That almost sounded like a disaster. Got some crayons for colorfill?And F for Forced Reset makes sense imo. Personally prefer not to have my FRT firearms have "F", "AUTO", or "FULL" selector markings if I can help it. Otherwise sounds like an easy way to invite avoidable trouble.
>>65195420*not to have A
>>65195337man I need one of these
>>65191034>says galil>is galil ACE
>>65195449the AUG or the FRT
>>65195497Both
Dont think I've ever seen a AKV Stizon with an FRT before, pretty coolhttps://youtu.be/bJiaj_NCu6I
looks liek the Duality Arms Co PS90 FRT is progressive, pretty neathttps://streamable.com/lahgh9
>>65195737pretty sure given the nature of the P90's trigger pack it's easier to make a 3 position progressive than a 3 position normal. all the third position does is allow the trigger bar to move further back than the second position
god fucking hell someone design a 38spl p90 already so we can shoot it for cheap
>>65196317.38 Special aint that cheap these days
>>65196460jeez I don't go shooting for 3 years and this is what happens? wtf
>>65196460can't imagine production volumes on .38 special are very high anymorehow many boomers are actually running a bunch through their revolvers these days
>>65191034Finally more information, here's an entire video on ithttps://youtu.be/sd3SrPSTa7U
M&P FRT Reset demonstration
demonstration of the select capability, will be available from 810velocity apparently. Pretty wild that this device existed from FFT for a while now and finally there is another option in the works.
s3igu2's G36 FRT Footage
>>65197861>>65197876For 2.0 only I assume?>1.0 9C will continue to collect dust
>>65198502I read somewhere that the 1.0 shares a lot of parts with 2.0? Maybe you can make 1.0 work with 2.0 parts or something, but otherwise yeah I believe it's 2.0 only
>>65191034You avoid non-White arms professionals for the same reason you avoid all other types of non-White professionals.
How hard is it to SS cut a G2S trigger?
>>65198660I believe it's just the standard SS cut
s3igu2 works for AS Designs, right?
>>65198461GDI's G36 FRT isn't really that accurate to the original (pic related, GDI on top). They've had to move the position of the safety, which kinda screws up the pictogram layout. It's also got issues with light primer strikes.Really hoping s3igu comes through, and AS makes a drop-in or something.The GDI FRT is ridiculous for $700.
>>65198985yes
>>65199018there's also @BSquaredMfg making a drop in cassette for the platformhttps://kg2g.github.io/FRTINFO/Footage/G36DROPIN.mp4https://kg2g.github.io/FRTINFO/Footage/G36DROPIN2.mp4
>>651968762 position SLOP, ACE is trash (except gen 1 R&L)
>>65199018how many people actually own G36s in the US? I bet it's less than a couple thousand
>>65200507Including converted SL8s and clones? I imagine its closer to at least 10k.
>>65190976forced reset triggers are just another cuck cope by people who willingly allow their freedom to be legislated away. why would you even add another reliability failure point and something that ruins effective trigger fundamentals to your firearm anyways unless you were literally double-digit IQ? change my mind.
>>65200507Building one soon, a lot of support for it in the FRT space apparently
Do AK FRTs need your bolt carrier to have an auto tab or no?
>>65199018Actually hilarious that the G36, a discontinued platform that maybe like a thousand people actually own, got a reliable 3 position FRT before the AK.
>>65200594what is this?
>>65200507>>65200521With unconverted SL-8's going back to the 90's try over 40k+.Everything but the unreleased drop in requires a partial (rear end) conversion though
Hellion FRT when?
>>65200723Think i had seen someone, maybe aimsurplus selling leo trade in sl8 fors like $1200. Wish I had bit, even knowing the cost to convert.
>>65200552>blah blah blah
>>65200552Have you shot one? A well-tuned FRT feels identical to full auto and is reliable. The actual mechanical design of them isn't what makes them unreliable; You're basically just adding a piece of metal that the bolt carrier is applying pressure to which is forcing the trigger to reset. It's the fact that they're drop in kits not tuned for individual models of weapons and all of this is being engineered at breakneck pace. Two years ago they were considered a machine gun and we only had two position FRTs for AR-15s. FRTs are to machine gun bans as Arm braces are to SBR laws. They are eroding retarded laws and giving a legal workaround where you don't get turned into a felon in the meantime
>>65200681Not discontinued.Literally made brand new in the states.https://s5tactical.com/They're selling a lot and they're backloged by about 5-6 weeks.Plus, HK says that they plan on introducing something "soon" with regards to the G36. I have my doubts, but we'll see.But I get your point.
Pembie just dropped a new cheap MP-5 drop inhttps://pembletonandsons.com/products/pembie-5
>>65200952nice! It's outI wonder if one day it can be ARC supported
>>65200952This was ARC V2 and a Geissele is actual magic. Maybe it will happen one day
apparently there is a manufacturer that is releasing a gun soon with an FRT factor installed according to this guyhttps://youtu.be/jihw5PgsqUc?t=224
>>65201583I was playing around with the bump-stock law bullshit of Florida, and realised that while FRTs are in a grey zone (they're not outright illegal), the wording of the law means that if guns come pre-installed with FRTs from the manufacturer, it would skirk the law. Am I retarded?
>>65201623probably a retarded question but, what is considered from factory? if atlantic firearms install an FRT with the gun, I would assume that wouldn't count. I guess it would have to be from OEM
>>65201630I'd say that if you buy it from AF and it comes pre-installed I'd consider it from a redistributor, however if AF takes firearms and rebrands them, then it is from manufacturer. Similar to the bullshit that the ATF pulls with the ridiculous laser etching to make SBRs.Speaking of, technically, if you make an SBR with an FRT installed, you are your own manufacturer? At least until the requirement gets removed... if it gets removed.
>>65201649how interesting, thanks for the insight
>>65201712I'm retarded, so don't take that as fact. I really hate how the law plays with words like this, but that part with the SBR bullshit should be true, considering it's considered "manufacturing an SBR," however, like I said, if the ATF gets rid of the laser etching that is a requirement, then you're no longer a manufacturer of SBRs as it will be using the guns original serial number on the form 1s.There you go, the only issue is that you can't purchase (again grey zone) an frt, meaning if you receive it in parts and just... assemble it inside of an SBR, then you should be 99% in the clear.If not, then just manufacture it somewhere else and transfer it to FL, I hate these retarded rules.Per googles AI thing:Yes, making a Short-Barreled Rifle (SBR) is considered "manufacturing" under the ATF and the National Firearms Act (NFA). Even if you are just modifying a pre-existing firearm (like attaching a short barrel to a pistol or adding a stock to a lower receiver), federal law legally categorizes you as the "maker" or manufacturer of an NFA item.
>>65200773You aren't going to need to convert to go frt technically. You can swap the magazine well (and carrier on some early models) and just drop in frt. IMO the half-conversion - swapping for a G36 magwell and dumping the stock for an adapted stock+lower isn't too bad price wise, most of the cost is in going further ie barrel + front end.>>65200858IMO at best we'll get a stupidly overpriced G36C pistol. We likely aren't getting a rifle unless they have a contract stipulation to get Bundeswehr G36's back (which they'll cut and could send to HK USA).IMO I'm more excited for a HK433 - the MP7 is happening but thats a major nono compared to 5.7 until people start making pistols for 4.6
>>65200858HK just needs to pony the fuck up and give us their belt feds, ship em with a few 10 round non-disintegrating belts that can't actually link together
>>65202384If we're really, really lucky we'd get a G36KA4/KV as a pistol, as that and the G36C are the only military models still in production
>>65192498>click l8nk expecting massive distracting booba>babies first web pageDisappoint.
>>65202843this isnt reddit
>>65199018>The GDI FRT is ridiculous for $700.Does it work with the G3 training bolt?
>>65202845More is the pity.
>>65202849nice pair
>>65202849Interdasting. Are these natural, or can you only achieve this effect with fake tits? If these are natural, would fake tits produce a different effect?
>>65202847Why would a 5.56mm G36 FRT work with a 7.62mm G3's training bolt?
>>65202992It works on any tits and in fact on any of your extremities. Skin is slightly translucent to the near infrared part of the spectrum so with a strong enough light you can get a red glow from the human body. But as you can see it's a form of subsurface scattering, the light will show blood vessels but it won't work like an x-ray and show bones because the light can't penetrate that deep. The effect makes it look like the light is going straight through the body but it's actually bouncing off the skin layer and going around muscle and bone.
>>65203369
>>65202992Anon, >>65203369, is correct but those are fake, the implants scatter the light differently than flesh which is why you see the bright spots in the cleavage. I think Brainiac did a special on it as well if fake tits float better. They do.
Thinking of doing a clone build, I got one of the first CARL 3 round burst parts from the very first batch. I never installed it yet, but I heard there were some issues with the early versions. Anyone had this experience?
>>65204257No the CARL is g2g with either ARC v1 or v2
>>65205388Cool, thanksId imagine there isnt an option for CARL use with a selector that's not screwed?
could someone cut my ssa-e trigger for me?pls T-T
>>65206906you can buy pre cut triggers
>>65206909i already have the trigger. need help with circumcision.
>>65205563ARHK will be CARL compatible, it's not screwed
>>65207223If you own a 3d printer you can just print a cutting jig for it and follow the jig. You can get an el cheapo Ender 3 for like $200 if you know how and where to look (Micro Center), and it'll do just fine printing shit like this.AS Designs has the jig posted on his odysee for the SSA-EIf you're afraid of wasting money, the Geissele blem sale is going to be soon so buy another trigger then if you fuck up. You live and learn.
KAK released their video on their new FRT bolthttps://youtu.be/nbGEeD4QMBA
>>65207704Yeah, fair. Any specific .stl to look for?
>>65208675It's literally called "Geissele SS Jig V4"There's only 6 files on AS Designs' odysee, it's not a hard look around to find it. Deductive reasoning and all that.
P320 anon here. I'm not working with A.R.T anymore, I'm going with another company who will remain anonymous for now. So when it comes out under a different name don't be alarmed. as for the question of>whenhopefully by the end of summer at the latest.
>>65208795thanks for the update! I'm still super excited
>>65208813im also very excited. I have to hold myself back from posting too much and shitting up the thread.I was able to try it in the flux raider and its pretty controllable. no video of that just yet.
>>65208992is it still selectable? I'll get it either way, been telling my friends about it
>>65209311For the first product it will be an always on version. but you will be able to remove a piece with a hex wrench in a few seconds to disable it, but not true selectable like people would like.The system can be selectable in principle, the devil is in the details with the P320 since room is at a premium. If i did the easy selectable way, you would have a huge-ass box on the back of the slide and it would be ugly as hell. and that huge box could have fitment issues with some chassis. Chassis are the whole point! so it requires a more elegant solution that takes more effort. If i was designing a handgun from the ground up, adding a selectable FRT would be the easiest addition in the world.
>>65209578nice! I appreciate the details
Heard that there is a 3 pos frt for the p17 coming soon
>>65209661and still no news on the cp33 besides the one video a couple months ago.
>>65209661source?
https://youtu.be/G6xFW_7kPu4Hoffman realized he is going to lose his patent suit so he designed a new FRT that works differently than a normal long lever Super Saftey. Interesting how a patent actually promoted innovation. Will lolberts learn or seethe? Only time will tell.
>>65211531>INB4 he didnt patent this one either and the same situation happens again.
>>65211553You can't do that. "Prior art" precludes a patent.
>>65211566NTA but that defense didn't work on the current lawsuit, very likely because of the ATF's "vested interest" letter.I'm not going to get into an argument on that lawsuit or copyright either, just pointing this out.
>>65211569That's because Rarebreeds patent is for the reset mechanism, not the concept of an FRT itself (you cannot patent a concept). This uses a different reset mechanism. I know patents seem magic but there is a method to the madness.
>>65203203A simple yes or no will do.
>>65209661Will this work with the G3 training bolt?
>>65211602>you cannot patent a conceptFalse. I am patentin the concept of retardation as we speak/type/thought transfer.
>>65211602>there is a method to the madness.There isn't and that's the issue people have with them. Between that and it being arbitrarily decide which are valid, which are approved, which are denied, etc. The "method" is literally "whatever bullshit we pull out of our ass today without any basis beyond the one we're making up right now."
>>65199018>s3iguI honestly would prefer the GDI over s3igu. He's just building yet another AR FCG kinda-sorta lower. At least GDI took the feedback and is making their lower more G36-like.>>65199138This is would be my top pick. Drop in kit that lets you keep the original lower. Would just kinda suck to assemble but if sold as a full lower. Fuck yes.>>65202384Yeah I have like 0 trust in HK at this point with regards to anything G36 related. I would love to see more original accessories being sold. I'm hunting down a full-length handguard with attachment points and it's just such a pain in the ass.
>>65211674Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>>65211715I understand it and the law is literally shit as it's completely open to interpretation on a per case bases, it's a "enforce and use how you see fit" vs an actual written standard. It's literally the ATFs rule making process applied to something else where there is no rhyme or reason to the actual enforcement/case law.
>>65211653You're going to face some stiff competition for that.
>>65211757Nah, just have to be first to apply apparently even if it's common practice already.
>>65211531that is fucking awesome, replacing the disconnector is spicy though
>>65211701>I honestly would prefer the GDI over s3igu. He's just building yet another AR FCG kinda-sorta lower. At least GDI took the feedback and is making their lower more G36-like.still pretty cool you'd have more trigger options
>>65211760I'm special and I think I can doo eet!
>>65211531Fuckin awesome! I am all in, where is the cart?
>>65211754>OH I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS AND I'M TOO STUPID TO LEARN IT MUST BE RANDOM MAGIC!This way of thinking is poisonous and will hurt you if you don't get rid of it. The ATF does not control patent law and patent review is a well established and predictable process.
>>65211701Yours is a 16" barrel, right?The original was almost 19". How's that going to look with the full length handguard?
I have a high shelf ar lower. What dimensions do I need to mill to run an arcfire
>>65212080I think greymarketrearch has information on this
>>65212080https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFRbsmZBiMsOr buy an arizona regulator
got in my hoffman trigger kicker order before it sold out, extremely likely others will sell it for cheaper etc., but I'm happy to help out hoffman
Anyone tried an AZ Regulator with a CARL?
>>65211531He clearly released this so he could sell them for fundraising purposes dumb nigger
>>65211893Oh yeah absolutely. But Hagadefense is currently working on an AR FCG lower as well, but from aluminum so it'll be good/better.>>65212023Similar to a proper-length K? I still need to have the barrel cut and re-threaded to 12" for 1/2x28. Current SG36s come with M15x1 RH which sucks for suppressors.
>>65212865If you're going to cut it down, then why get a full length handguard?Jmac has a 15x1 4 prong keymo. Looks appropriate to original and weighs as much as the original flash hider.
>>65211890Already sold out
>>65212983Fuck, meant for >>65211898
>>65212980Funsies and honestly idk when I'll have it cut down. It's a more long-term project.
>>65212865>Hagadefense is currently working on an AR FCG lower as wellwill it work with an FRT?
Trigger kicker should work with any lower shelf right?
>>65193927No, one of the assholes from TwinBros (the people who took a shitload of orders for Super Safeties and then claimed the ATF raided them and disappeared) filed a patent application on the SS months (maybe over a year, I forget) after Hoffman released it. This is obviously invalid, but Rare Breed was fucking stupid and got scammed by TwinBros just like all the people who paid for SS's that they never received.>>65211531IDK if Hoffman will lose or not.* The SS does not literally infringe the 247 Patent, so RBT has to hope interpretation and Doctrine of Equivalents will carry them through* the 723 Patent is now expired and RBT was enjoined by the prosecution in NY to not sell during the brief period when the SS was made available before it had expired* the 784 patent probably doesn't apply since it is about a pivoting "locking mechanism" for .308 bolt carriers; only by ignoring the entire specification can you "read" the claims to apply to the SS, which is contrary to how patent law works>lolbertsThis libertarian is a patent attorney. Patents are explicitly discussed in the Constitution (article 1, section 8, clause 20) and are part of what has Made America Great -- allowing innovators to profit off their inventions.>>65211553That's actually what I dropped in to ask -- someone on barfcom wrote that Tim mentioned in an interview that he'd filed a patent application on this one. Is that correct or was the barftard just blowing smoke out his asshole?Frankly, I hope Tim had a wakeup call because of the mess surrounding the SS and actually bothered to file an application this time before he released things. At a minimum it would prevent the TwinBros scammer from fucking things up again.>>65211566What the fuck prior art are you talking about? Point it out, please.>>65211602Yeah. It's kind of disgusting how many stupid shitheads bloviate about patents when they know absolutely nothing about the patent system.
>>65211674You are a fucking retarded zoomer communist and you should go live in Russia with all your retarded zoomer communist friends.>>65211754>I understand it and the law is literally shit as it's completely open to interpretation on a per case basesNo you don't and no it isn't. Patents are defined by their claims, which must be enabled by their specifications. Not claimed = public domain. It's just that shrimple.>>65211760Nope, anything already in "common practice" is considered prior art and is public domain.>>65211890>replacing the disconnector is spicyYeah, I'm a little worried about that. I get the impression that Tim didn't send anything to the ATF for evaluation, which is morally correct but legally dangerous for him. If the BATFuckers decide this is a machine gun he could end up behind bars. I haven't seen it in action to know if it's really a FRT or more akin to a Lightning Link.
>>65215066>Yeah, I'm a little worried about that. I get the impression that Tim didn't send anything to the ATF for evaluation, which is morally correct but legally dangerous for him. If the BATFuckers decide this is a machine gun he could end up behind bars. I haven't seen it in action to know if it's really a FRT or more akin to a Lightning Link.it goes into safety like the super safety though and there is a reset of the trigger. Should be good enough
>>65215066NTA but I'm an IP attorney, as well as a patent holder myself, and I am here to tell you that the USPTO process is something that should inspire deep skepticism. I drew a lazy examiner who was high ranking enough that he didn't need a supervisor to review his work, who told me that I could have a patent if I narrowed my claim to the embodiment example I gave. I then had the option to file something called a continuation in part to get one patent for every other embodiment. Basically they made me pay twice for one idea and it is a lot easier to just pay them then explain their job to them.You can think that patents are a good idea overall and also believe that the PTO is badly mismanaged.
>>65215066>You are a fucking retarded zoomer communist and you should go live in Russia with all your retarded zoomer communist friendsBurn.
>>65215765>You can think that patents are a good idea overall and also believe that the PTO is badly mismanaged.Yet again, picrel.
So I've already got an ASD lower on my MP5, and it runs flawlessly. Is there any reason to grab an ARHK? I mean clone correct sorta counts, I guess.
>>65215857that would be the only reason, if you want it to be clone correct. I guess if you also didnt want to use a trip. A lot of AP5s coming out have denial blocks that newer versions of trips had to bypass, since this doesnt use a trip then that would never be a problem
my trigger kickers shipped
>>65215857ARHK because it also works in G3/HK33 clones if you love roller-locks. Otherwise as >>65216000said
>>65197876Yes sur, sheesh
>>65198509Maybe he's not a fragile bitch who's afraid of everything like (You)
Following the super safety, the usage of it has been implemented in other platforms to achieve FRT capability. Do you think the same would come from the trigger kicker or do you think the AR is where it stops?
>>65216536Ideally we get a "universal" option for more platforms. Sure the SS can be used on a lot, but that usually requires a janky "we crammed an AR FCG in and shoved in a slip trip" setup.
>>65216559There would have to be a universal trip or something, buffered ARs are easy because the trip is on the bolt. Other platforms need a custom trip made or something
GREETINGS!I know this thread isn't sxactly friendly with rarebreed but I thought I'd add my two cents for posterity. I bought a MR-3 for my 416 clone and took it to the range today. Tried out FRT mode and it initially worked but then stopped. It would fire, cycle, and then I would have a dead trigger. Tested it out a few more times and realized I was getting hammer follow every round. Normal semiauto worked fine. Took it home and took the cassette out of the gun and this tiny little grubscrew that holds the reset lever in place was about a qaurter inch backed. I gronked it down and reinstalled and no more hammer follow.
>>65217765Damn those toolsmarks look ugly cloee up.
>>65217765that stinks, glad you got it to work though!
Is there a good FRT for the AES-10B/RPK?
i need an frt for an AR, an AK and maybe a p365 or something. any reccs?
>>65190976is that a fucking hk51
>>65218288check the link in the OP for more info. There is not a FRT available for the 365>ARPartisan
>>65218231there are people that got the AK FRT to work with RPK
>>65218290it's a AP53
>>65218319will do thanks. i may or ma not beeale to get another handgun before next month's ban so what do you recommend as a good cheap frt host? preferably something with a thumb safety
Are any FRTs reliable in a KAC CQB?
>>65218340tx22, M&P
>>65218347all the AR FRT options are pretty reliable but which you can run or want to run depends on what specific features you want and what shelf your lower is. Check the link the OP for more information
>>65218350can you buy them in VA or is it instant death
>>65218367Maybe? I would assume if it can ship to you, then it is? I'm no law expert at all, look into a different source.
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Trigger kicker shipped pretty fast, anyone else order one?
>>65218367>can you buy them in VAeveryone ships to VA, at the moment it is "illegal" in VA. However at any moment a judge can decide your FRT is a "trigger activator" and what is defined as a trigger activator is extremely vague as well until there is a legal case to decide it. which is illegal under VA law. So yes you can order an FRT and get it shipped just be aware of the possibility that it may not be legal in VA very soon due to new state government
>>65220312it isn't illegal*
>>65190976Does anyone make a G3 collapsing brace? I'd get an AP53 then.
>>65220381Re-manufacture the stock you like into a brace, add a strip of velcro and a triglide to the end of it. Don't take pictures of it and don't brag about it to retards. I really don't see the feds restarting this issue for a while especially in a case where they would potentially have to decide that only braces that come with a velcro strip from a retailer are actually real braces... I think these days the only way they would push the issue is with someone retarded enough to confess that they were intentionally circumventing the NFA. Or just wait for the engraving requirement to go away and do a form 1 on it.
>>65220410at this point just buy the stock lmao
There's already people creating aftermarket support for it
>>65220428>No, I will not upload the Trigger Kicker I've reverse engineered, so don't even ask.I thought you couldn't stop the signal?
>>65220421Yes that's what I said, buy the stock and put a few cents worth of velcro on it as a hedge. There are a shitload of braces on the market right now that are literally just stocks with a bit of velcro.
>>65220446>lolberts reinvent IP rights from first principleslmao
>>65220752Common lolbert L.
>>65217765Put some purple loctite on it.
ASD 308 LEVER PREVIEWhttps://youtu.be/YZYjG-RKBpg
>>65211701I'm with you but I have like 10% hope, as long as they're making SL-8's and HK243's for international civilian markets and G36K's and G36C's there's a slimmer of a chance.My honest to God hope is HK USA is able to eke out more say in the matter and get us there - they were able to entirely design and develop and market their own pistol design (the CC9) which is a huge first I never would have expected from HK
>>65195456The ace is based. A good solid gun. It co up the better but it’s leagues ahead of the originals.
>>65221351It's ugly. It looks like someone slapped on tapco furniture on an AK.AK-pattern guns are already inferior to AR-pattern designs in user interface, the only reason to like AK-pattern guns is aesthetics. The ACE has no aesthetic appeal, and therefore is shit.
Does anybody have info on making the ratlr work on a 45acp kriss vector? I just got one and it's been a bit finicky at best
>>65223224which do you have just curious, also Duality Arms is making a new generation of vector FRT releasing soon, perhaps that will run well.
>>65223254Got a gen3 vector rifle, the frt is just the standard ratl-r
>>65221270Yeah the CC9 was a genuine surprise. I personally hate the CC9 because it's one of, if not the ugliest pistol HK has ever made.I had the 243 when I was still in Germany and it felt so much worse than the SG36. It really just boils down whether or not HK wants to sell genuine G36/243 or if they'll just let S5 Tactical do their thing. It took them AGES to compete with Zenith etc for the MP5 market and the SP5 is so much more expensive for no reason other than le rollmark.
>>65223541Your not wrong, and it's now ended up being the low budget option in a high low strat now that the VP9CC is on the market..... but it's also the entire reason the VP9CC is on the market - " there's a big market for that (SFP9CC), you wouldn't listen to us so we rolled our own"And they succeeded - I could go on with my lamentations on the CC9 (no alternate frames when they should be doing the P365 thing and doing a X and XL model)Aesthetically it's shit, ergonomically it's good and it's a very good reliable shooter. I like the VP9CC more it's better aesthetically and has a slight edge in ergos IMO but performance is broadly similar - ie fucking excellent.If HK USA could pull THAT off surely they can pull off a G36
Can I just add some lead shot with epoxy to my mil spec carbine buffer to increase its weight to 5ish oz instead of having to buy a new one?
>>65221351Bro the only halfway decent Gaylil ACE is the rock and locks - after they've been defucked of their plastic bits - and they're not made anymore - the Gen 2 ACE is cancer and hopefully they'll be losing all their domestic market share as Valmet is BAACK BABY
>>65224125if it'll stick under the recoil, sure why not?
What's the likelihood of a 4 position AR selector?
>>65224173s3igu2 posted this right before V2 dropped, I'm assuming it's in development
>>65223224Vector FRT kinda stinks except for the 2 position, I think I'm going to build a UMP in 45 ACP instead
External FRTThoughts?https://youtu.be/z5NtbfMSqcQhttps://firequest.com/store/p/HELLFIRE-STEALTH-FRT-For-AR-15
>>65224330The fuck is this ai generated shit
>>65224698yeah it's pretty shit, new product in this space though, but I would think if you live in a state in which FRTs are legal, then why not just get a Kabuto if you want pure drop in
>>65224698>>65224900>>65224330I dunno, a little more work and it's doable (maybe integrate it into a 3d printed pistol grip so it acts like a 1911 grip safety, only with the ability to lock it rearward so it doesnt reset)Esp. for AK's right now, lock the grip safety and it's back to "semi".They could literally make billions selling this shit to boomers and zoomers done right, there's a fuckload of people who can't even do basic maintenance tasks, much less armorer level tasks this could surpass the bump stock in sales
>>65224186It's confirmed coming for the ARHK first as there's basically only 3 obscure AR lowers that are 4pos.In comparison there's a SHITLOAD of 4pos HK lowers out thereG95A7? (HK416A8?)Taiwanese T91Colt 4pos.T91 is easiest 4 pos to get your hands on
>>65226172>It's confirmed coming for the ARHK firstsource?
>>65226172>4 position ARHKI would cum.
>>65226172The Colt and T91 are 90 degree ie 0(360) - 90 - 180 - 270The G95 lower is the only 45 degree 4pos out there as the 4pos ARC shown is 45 degree
>>65226178What you haven't seen s3igu2's short on the 4pos ARHK? Go lurk his Twitter dude
>still no P365 frtHow is this possible? Its one of the most popular handguns on the market.
>>65224316Honestly a .45 'Bog with a frt would be the absolute TITS (roller delayed) but it looks like it's ASDesigns abandonware at this point - they teased a video with a 9mm Bog with frt 2 YEARS AGOThere is a whole subset of the Bog community that UMP-ifies their stribogs, and IMO they look sick
>>65226188he has a video with the ARHK which is 3 position in a 4 position labeled lower
>>65226194why would you want a FRT in a subcompact?
>>65226195>There is a whole subset of the Bog community that UMP-ifies their stribogs, and IMO they look sickhave a link? I'm interestedyou can get a FRT to work in a stribog already>Allows for Super Safety/Atrius/ARC Fire. This requires a cut in the upper, a trip and a Lingle lower. There are services avaliable for this work to be done as well as open source printable trips and instructions for the cut yourself. https://www.skunkwerksmachinewerks.com/services-storehttps://kg2g.github.io/FRTINFO/Footage/SP9A3LINGLEFRT.mp4
>>65226194Was*Then glock gave in and finally partnered with Mec-Gar to have an OEM 15 rounder.It's all over now, G43X wins, VP9CC/CC9 holds the high end, Springfield Hellcat holds the low, with G43X reigning supreme across the land.All f**king Siggers must f**king HANG
>>65226200Go further back, you haven't gone back far enough on god
>>65226216link me?
>>65226212Hmmmm their literally right up the highway from me. What ASDesigns promised was a lower and a trip (no cut all in one kit for like 550) but they've been clearly occupied with ARC and ARHKIt's called the StribUMP btw
>>65226221Nah bro, lurk more, check every post where he talks about the CARL
>>65226239StribUMP next to a USC
>>65226247Also friendly reminder the .45 and 10mm Bog's take UMP mags (don't believe they got the OEM glock mag lower option like the 9mm did) and the stribog 10mm mag is the only economical magazine option whatsoever for 10mm UMP chads
>>65226247>>65226239pretty sick, one thing I hated about the stribog was the fucking billboard of a roll mark on the side of the reciever
>>65226275Hit it with a black sharpie, it actually looks great.I gotta Lotta love for the Bog - it single handedly told us all that roller delayed is here to STAY.There's also the Kuna, a knock off 'Bog for 9mm fans that somehow got FRT's real quick
>>65226286checking it out, thanks!
>>65226194The Browning Action exploit is impossible in the 365 without drilling holes. That's why nobody has an frt for it.
>>65226262That and modding the .40 UMP mags to fit 10mm is fairly time intensive as you need to remove a lot of material from the rib inside the magazine as well as modding the follower and magazine feed lips. If I had a 10mm Stribog I'd just stick with the clear mags as UMP mags are just big black plastic sticks with small windows and no ammo counter like a PMAG.
Company called villian tactics has a mp5sd clone available that is FRT equipped from factory.Literally the first of it's kind from my knowledge that has a FRT from factoryhttps://villaintactic.com/shooting-sports/rifles/semi-automatic/vt5sd/detail/7b917724-94bf-4342-9d1f-c908b422bfa9/40c22c0e-e6d9-43ae-b26e-e5d23f3c5c66expensive as fuck for what it is, but I thought it was notable and interesting. Will probably put it in the next OP or something.
>>65226746>$6500 from a literally who company>when HTA and Ralph will do a conversion for $600
>>65226830yeah I agree, it's like when pre installed super safety ARs and TX22s from gunbroker are like 400 dollars morefrom factory though is the important bit
My trigger kickers from hoffman came in, pretty neato
>>65226921That's definitely a plus and a step in the right direction, but getting a fucked up build/conversion is way too risky. Both Ralph and HTA have literal decades of experience doing it, and it's no small task either. Plus that site isn't saying who's making core components like the barrels. Those RCM barrels that are floating around suck ass compared to the Swiss made B&T barrels.
>>65226952That and there are zero reviews that I can find of their builds. I wouldn't pay even $2000 for whatever it is they are selling without at least one persons testimony.
>>65226952>RCM barrels that are floating around suck ass compared to the Swiss made B&T barrelsreally? what's the difference? I just assumed the answer was autism
>>65192257They probably aren't going to be able to sue Hoffman over his new one. None of the RBT/ABC patents I've looked at come anywhere close to reading on it.
>>65226963The answer is in fact autism. B&T (which HTA uses) and Ralph's custom made barrels follow the exact German autism blueprints for the ports placement. The RCM barrels are SLIGHTLY different for ease of drilling the ports, but their shit is sometimes fucked up as a result. RCM has has issues like burrs, incorrectly placed ports, and so on. Matt at HTA will gladly yap your ear off about it if yoy ask him.
Funny how there was exactly one video of the TEC9 FRT and I havent heard of anything else since.
>>65227007thanks for the information, I always had the idea of sending it off and I always seen b&t barrels out of stock
>>65215765>I then had the option to file something called a continuation in part to get one patent for every other embodiment.Are you an "IP attorney" or a patent attorney? Because as a patent attorney I can tell you that you never file a CIP unless you have fucked up massively. You file a continuation, which gets the same priority date as your original, and you get to argue that you should be allowed the broader claims.That's all pretty normal. Oftentimes you take what you can get, then you spend another couple of years arguing that you should get more.A CIP made sense before the 1995 changeover that killed the old 17-years-from-issue system. It no longer does, unless you forgot to mention something required for your claims and are being forced to file what is effectively a do-over.
>>65226746There was a company that sold a few Romanian RPK's with FRT's (AKSS only 2 pos safe and FRT). They were able to charge a pretty penny for them too.
>>65227148from factory or from a retailer like atlantic firearms?
>>65227057It could just be a converted open bolt semi to F/A though no? Or is that a post ban Tec I can't really tell
>>65227155It was 7+ months ago, it was a smaller boutique company that does AK/RPK/etc builds but I *think* they were just factory Romanian AES-10B's (they could have been yugos) with the AKSS They were being sold on a bigger retailers websiteThey ran out fairly quickly ie they had excess RPK's collecting dust so they FRT'd them and doubled their money
>>65227159im thinking it's not F/A because of how they are holding the gun itself which seems funny, if they try to shoot it normally, it would malfunction.
>>65227057found more information from nearly a year ago, I'll updated the github page with it.
I'm guessing only Hoffman is selling the trigger kicker right now? Also would it work with a 3 position selector?
>>65194120>Glock>Selectable FRTWait what? Did I miss this?
>>652275283 position is in development>>65227861there is not a selectable glock FRT
>>65227861I meant M&P sorry, mixed up my strikershit
>>65227068I had a valid reason for doing it fellow attorney fren. I had good reason to believe that nobody else had made any progress on this category of patentable IP so I opted for a longer lifespan of the CIP. The original patent took about two years for the PTO to process and was literally just the embodiment example that I provided (because the examiner was lazy). I took that patent as the basis for a patent on all other embodiments but I filed it as a continuation in part because nobody else is going to edge me out with competing IP that tries to claim a priority date between the issue of the original patent and the claim date of the new one. I did my due diligence and I'm confident in that. Also, to answer your first question, I increasingly do corporate contract type of work as my mainstay because it turns out that I don't especially enjoy IP work even though that was my concentration.
The original RBT's were 2 position, was the super safety the first 3 position FRT?
>>65229981there were 3 position kits for the original 2 position RB triggers
Lanbo has H2s for $15 more than H3s... I have several extra H2s and H3s but I think this shit is only going to get worse I should probably order a few more H3s.
>>65229994the new kak bolt is coolhttps://youtu.be/nbGEeD4QMBA
>>65230019Looks neat but buffers and springs are easier to fine tune for cans and ammo related stuff, but I guess there's no reason you can't do both.
I've been running anti-walk pins on all FRTs but has anyone seen an ARC or SS cause pins to walk out? I know they're definitely needed for a cassette style like Rare Greed and Partisan Disruptor.
>>65230053i have them on mine anyways
>>65229990Do they predate the super safety tho?
>>65231175yes
Cutepill me on the Vector bros. Ordered a Gen3 and it should arrive monday. How much fenanglin will it be to make the RATLR work properly?
>>65231398I heard it kind of depends on where you got yours from and it's hit or miss. Either way there's ton of trigger slap when it does work and you need a very light trigger pull for it to work properly. Duality Arms Co is making a new version of the RATLR apparently so I'm looking into that.I personally dont have the gun yet, but bought 2 different RATLRs and 2 different metal cams with different geometry and all I hear are experiences that dont align with my expectations. I just wanted a 45 ACP PCC with FRT capabilties so I might look elsewhere.
>>65230019>"We were contacted by Rare Greed and made aware that "FRT" is trademarked. We have renamed the product since learning this"I'm starting to think the Law Demon derives power proportional to the level he's hated.
>>65232434>anon learns about trademarks my favorite part of this thread is everyone constantly everyone discovering intellectual property law law exists and is a really powerful legal tool
Get the Pembleton MP5 trigger or wait for the ARHK?
>>65231478Thanks anon, I've read the mixed reviews. I got mine in 9mm and it seems like I'll need the Ratlr, cam and the 10mm recoil spring. Aside from completely disassembling the trigger, seems like it'll be a pain in the ass to get to run reliably. I'll probably wait for a bit to see where things are going.
>>65232781Are you retarded? KAK wasn't selling FRTs they were marketing a deadblow BCG for use with all FRTs. What did RG gain from that, what IP did they protect throwing a hissy over a BS three letter trademark. Even RG's own customers can use the BCG mongoloid, RG loses nothing because they don't sell BCGs or H3 buffers.
>>65233600holy retard. rare sneed trademarked the letters 'FRT'.using those letters for anything violates that trademark. Trademark is intellectual property. you obviously cant understand that because you're intellectually homeless.
HK FRT stuff from juicyhttps://youtu.be/gyrw30KDxUU
>>65233532I wanted to clarify something as well, what I meant by light trigger pressure what that there was a IG post by Duality Arms Co talking about how a lot of people were shooting it wrong and they needed to adjust their finger on the trigger in a specific way to work well. This probably depends on person to person but I wouldnt expect it to work in a intuitive way like the ARs. There are people who are shooting it just fine though, like this guy https://youtu.be/pCMHEVSNJOo?t=135 but I feel like these success stories are few compared to other experiences.
>>65234605>>65233532this was the videohttps://youtu.be/1CmE4dch0sk
>>65217765I'm back. Got out to the range today again and ran 200 rounds through the gun. FRT worked perfectly. It was indeed the little screw. Cyclic rate was a little on the high side, I'd guess 900rpm, but as I understand that's typical with 416s. It was still very easy to squeeze off 2 or 3 round bursts. Unsupressed this thing is borderline unusable, especially if inside. You can physically feel your teeth rattling. Supressed it shoots like a .22 magnum rifle. The supressor mode on the gas block helps to mitigate gas in you face but there's always a little bit being an AR derivative and all. Still very shootable. FRT mode is 99.99% indistiguidable from true full auto. You can hold the dot on the silhouette annd squeeze the trigger and hold it there and I have yet to have to worry about squeezing too hard to prevent the FRT from tripping. Very nice I like it.
>>65234791nice, did you have to use the dedicated trigger for your clone or a normal cassette?
>>65234797I'm not sure I understand your question. The RareGreed MR-3 is a self-contained drop in cassette trigger, it goes into the gun as one piece.
>>65234853they make specific HK triggers, I wasnt sure if you used the one they made specifically for HK's or the generic one for standard ARs. I understand now that you used the HK specific, thanks.
>>65233620Are pretending to be retarded? I never disputed the existence of the trademark only pointed out the stupidity of attacking a company that doesn't sell FRTs for using it to describe the compatibility of a product they sell that isn't an FRT.
>>65232434>that "FRT" is trademarkedHereafter they shall be known as "FARTs", Forcibly Actively Resetted Triggers."I FARTed a lot at the range today.""I hate this ammo, it makes my FARTs stink really bad."
>>65233620Holy crap, I did not expect it to be on the principal register.WordmarkFRTSerial number97248519Registration number8187914Filing date2022-02-01Registration date2026-03-24StatusLive RegisteredStatus date2026-03-24Registration typePRINCIPAL
live trigger kicker testhttps://youtu.be/AR2kf-AQHPs
Bump
How long before they get banned once cops start recovering frts from nigs' ar pistols used in drive by shootings
>>65239809>cops>doing shit about nigsYeah I bet they'll get to it after arresting every nog that posts online showing off their Glock switch
>>65203369man hands
asking midnight machine for footage of the pdp frt, will post if I can get it
https://youtu.be/PV4_9fCisLA
>>65241211To be a guntuber, is there a requirement to sound like an illiterate hillbilly?
>>65241795would you rather not have any information at all
Testing The New Arizona Regulator 3 Position FRT For The Sig Sauer MPX (Coming Soon!)https://youtu.be/jTKcCWCNKrc
Does redactedarms make a good ar15 super safety?
>>65242673yeah they are alright
Bit of a long shot, but does anyone know how to set up a FRT in a BRP MG42 grip? I know it's possible, since there's multiple videoes of people doing it with a rare greed pack.
>>65242747where have you seen videos?
>>65242758https://youtube.com/watch?v=PyHqhS1uoeAIt apparently requires a bit of a mod to the tail of the semi bolt, but nothing crazy.
>>65242767also something about a "gripstick mod"? Does that ring a bell to you?Thanks for the video
>>65242780Gripstick is part of the semi conversion process. It makes the gun have an AR FCG.
>>65242784I see, thanks for the clarification. Hopefully there is a source of the bolt modification somwhere
>>65242791So I got the secret code on how it works.>get a rear bolt extension and a donor extension>file one flat, and chop just over half an inch off the other>weld donor bit onto filed bit>voila it goes brrrrt
>>65243522
>>65243528
>>65243534Finished weld.
>>65243542And some minor fitting in the grip to fit the FRT. Also importantly, BRP says they'll be making their own drop in FRT solution this fall.
>>65243528>>65243534>>65243542>>65243548treasure trove of information, thanks anon! Pretty simple of an idea as well
>>65243548>BRPwho is this?
>>65244385BRP is the primary producer of semi auto conversion parts for the MG42. Since you have to go from open bolt to closed bolt, you need a new bolt, a new grip, and a new FCG. BRP makes all of the parts for this. Other companies (like Wiselite) have different ways of doing this, but their methods usually involve irrevocably fucking up the gun. A proper BRP conversation *theoretically* just builds the gun in its original spicy full auto glory, but there's a blocking bar that prevents you from putting in the full auto open bolt parts.
>done with work>turn on shitpost pc>go to /k/>think about buying an mp5>wonder "is this a good gun?">about to make a thread>this is hereSo anons....is the mp5 actually good? Is it fun? Any best source for em? Anything to look out for/worry about?
>>65244496ignore the 22 LR bullshit, if I was gay I would go to /lgbt/ I would want a 9mm
>>65244496you're asking about the gun in general or the prospects of a FRT?
>>65244521Just in general, I guess
>>65244496Get 9mm at least
Anyone knows if the trigger kicker works with high shelf lowers?
What's the best way to get a MP5SD? I plan on getting a HK versionAre there people selling them already converted? Who is the best to send it to?
>>65244553I mean it'll be fun and cheap to shoot also you can HK slap it
Can I send someone my SSA-E trigger to cut it for me? I'm dumb and fuck up the simplest of tasks.
>>65245602you can buy them pre-cut as well
