causes brain damage with every shot, including practice rounds.favored by USMC.
>>65192043You're just jealous they get all the best crayons.
>>65192048Soviets considered making a knock-off, like they do with lots of crap, but they didn't want to give troops brain damage.
>>65192043Military doesn’t give a shit about anyone. There’s always a fresh kid turning 18.
>>65192043In the marines it's not a bug, it's a feature.
if you think about it, its basicaly a man portable field gun with a respectable rate of fire, range, mobility, stealth, ...getting a few of those focus fired on a tank will put enough HE to brick the cannon, sensor, and tracks without needing to penetrate the armor
>>65192106yeah, one of the best features of the RPG is "stealth" in that it has minimal 1st booster which makes it a bit harder to track exactly where it came from.At least it doesn't have a massive back AND front flash to really zero in the launch point, and doesn't do a MASSIVE rear dust cloud.
>>65192104is it true they got a big sign that says "front" and big arrow pointing to front?
Really it's the perfect man portable weapon, except for the bit where it's not safe for the man porting itMaybe drones could fire it instead
heck of a sniper rifle
>>65192043Know we know we should be making everything soft launch but that'll cost the brass money today while paying out lawsuits will cost different brass money in the future.
>>65192165I'd bet a minor re-working, such as longer barrel and slower burning charge, could solve the brain damage problem while keeping same qualities.
>>65192043Couldn't they just give the gunner an enclosed helmet?
>>65192097>Military doesn’t give a shit about anyone. There’s always a fresh kid turning 18.They can respond to immediate harm, but harm down the road is so far that it's an abstraction and no one is complaining (yet). Just think of those awful toxic "burn pits" they had in Iraq and elsewhere? OSHA would never sign off on those in an American factory.All those soldiers standing around breathing toxic fumes? Exposure might not give them cancer immediately, but raises risks down the line.
>>65192090soveit recoilles guns have an even worse blast, but they have longer barrells and they are on lafettes and troops quickly learned to trigger them with a cord from several meters away in order to not get their brain smushed.
>>65192238The SPG-9 is a fucking pop gun in comparison, I've seen afghani's with theirs - it's larger and on a tripod with a smaller less effective warhead going faster/further with HEAT rounds (1200m.i think, more for HE). The Hot Carl has less range slinging HEAT (600m at best, around 1000 give or take fo HE) but is stupidly more effective against armor with a bigger caliber tandem warhead.Unless we're talking about the more modern Russian RPG's like RPG-29/27/28/etc
>>65192106>>65192118completely made obsolete by fpvs and lancet type strike drones. everyone that still uses this thing is a retard.put it on a chassis and give the operator a remote targeting screen and remote trigger. then it can be used again.
dont tiss it till you try it, personally im addicted everyone who dosent want to shoot it i will take their ammo and disregard safety regulations
>>65192383just like some people get addicted to sniffing glue, I guess
>>65192207whole concept is "it not like a thingy that needs anything extra, but still gives infantry something pretty serious".I'd bet 1/2 the time is "operators" with just their boonie hats or baseball caps using it.
>>65192231>Just think of those awful toxic "burn pits" they hadMy neighbor (elderly woman) burns all her trash in a gigantic pile once a week, including anything and everything, used motor oil, plastics, electronics, you name it.She's in her late 80s and has been doing it for as long as I've lived here, so it can't be that bad for you.
>>65192160Lots of military gear has that. It's so that you can tell which side of the metal tube the rocket comes out of at a glance. Because when the bullets are flying and that tank is almost on top of you, you might not have the time to study which end of the tube is slightly larger than the other one. So you put front and an arrow in big easily noticeable print on it.
>>65192465how do you know she doesn't have a slow growing cancer? many cancers are too small to detect for decades with standard imaging.
>>65192043sounds a lot like the APILAS>it is categorized as "traumatic weapon", because of its blast and noise.>A soldier cannot fire it more than three times in his service during peacetime.
>>65192663It wouldn't be surprising if she did, but she's in her late 80s. So it wouldn't be surprising regardless. She's well above the U.S. life expectancy for women, getting cancer this late in the game wouldn't be surprising. I'd be more surprised if she didn't have some kind of bad health problem as old as she is.
There was a New York Times article about artillerymen getting microconcussions from firing hundreds of rounds, and about one guy who had such severe CTE, he started hallucinating seeing a ghost of a girl he thinks he killed with an artillery shell.
>>65192778>hallucinating seeing a ghost of a girla free gf?fuck me i need more concussions
>>65192778These were from anti-ISIS deployments to Syria where they only had a few batteries of guns and an endless supply of ammo and targets so the crews were firing all day every day for months on end giving themselves OG WWI style shellshock. The cool part was when some of the braindamaged artillerymen came home and had disciplinary issues due to having brain damage they got dishonorable discharges and lost their healthcare.
>>65192858>The cool part was when some of the braindamaged artillerymen came home and had disciplinary issues due to having brain damage they got dishonorable discharges and lost their healthcare.So glad we care about our troops so much
>>65192043I'd rather be given a small amount of brain damage than get a terminal amount from enemy fire.
>>65192043I was told the SMAW would scramble your brains even worse. Especially if you're a bystander.
>>65192694>During peacetimeWar is hell etc
>>65192231why were the retards standing around it breathing the fumes, no one was smart enough to nig rig up a chimney? literally cave man tech
>>65192271shut up dronefag
>>65193233Like most military things, it's real, and it's also wildly exaggerated by civilians. But yes, the glorious gustaf, mortars, gpmgs, and towed guns are still good - great, for their time - but firmly on the way out IMO. FPVs and fixedwing-spotted MLRS for offense, carbines and nades for clearing, and M72s with the ratchet strap pistol grips [real fighters know what those are] for infantry throwing HE.
No one caresThey just put on handicap placards in their POS truck, and drive erratically on base in camo cargo shorts as old fatasses
>>65193828Personally I like how the M320 opens up more possibilities for 40mm. Say what you want about being clunkier, but side loading instead of pump forward lets you insert longer rounds with more HE filler like the hellhound, which should be standard issue. Standalone is kind of like the old thumper.
>>65193233Bigger issue with the SMAW is the exhaust is chock full of lead.
Is there anything more emasculating than joining the military? You're giving the government consent to ravage your body for relatively minimal compensation.
>>65195005Is this why disorganized third worlders can't fight for shit? A bullet doesn't care how not cucked you think you are.
>>65192043>causes brain damageI still want to fire onewhere in the world, that isn't a muslim shithole, can I do that as a civilian?
>>65195007What does that have to do with third world armies? They treat their soldiers like discardable objects too, I'm sure, so your argument doesn't have the impact you think it does.
>>65193692Probably because the genius who came up with the burn pit idea didn't think about it and doctrine turned into grunts standing where they shouldn't be.
>>65192465Some people are just enormously lucky or have freak genetics. Same reason why people can smoke, drink and do crack every day but still live a full life.
>>65195015Because you don't seem to have any mental capacity yet can still post on the internet. If not a thirdie, you join them in spirit.
>>65195008I know Vietnam offers that but for a RPGs.Vietnam seems to have a lot of cool, niche life experiences on offer.
>>65195033might have to look that upme and some guys from the shooting club travel to prague, budapest, etc. each year to shoot. Maybe we'll try vietnam
>>65195028You're proving my point. I'm sorry the lead is blocking you from constructing concise thoughts
>>65195005Some men are just born to be meat munitions.
>>65192271What's the rate of fire of an FPV drone? What's the time between SGT yelling "CONTACT, TANK!" to said tank exploding? How many people do you need to man a drone team?
>>65195076When was the last time infantry has had to take on tanks? Genuinely interested.
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>>65195082Ukraine
>>65195088I meant a real war.
>>65195093Ukraine is a real war. but if you insist then maybe Desert storm or Vietnam.
>>65195040I went to Vietnam when I was a kid, it was a good timeI wanted to do the RPG thing but mum wouldn't let meyou should post here if you do it
>>65195110>you should post here if you do itI might justa little worried about the food tho. Not a big fish fan
>>65192231Despite the fact that your legs were blown off at the knee by an IED we have determined that your mobility disability is not service related.
>>65192106People forget that an explosion near the gun is seriously not great for the gun. And tanks are just guns that move.
>>65192465And everyone down wind is so luck as well?
>>65195033>>65195110tried investigatinglooks like you'd need to go to cambodia to fire an rpg, not vietnamI'm not sure I want to risk getting aids
>>65192847"BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE..." etc etc.
>>65192043>causes brain damage with every shot>including practice rounds
>>65195340I've heard it's just an RPG-2 at that, though that's still pretty cool ngl
>>65195355definitely better than nothing!still not sure I want to visit fucking cambodia tho....
>>65195043>pretending to be to gay and retarded to understand the insultsYou don’t have to pretend
>>65195008I had the luck of firing 2 CG 551 rounds during my time in the service. It was underwhelming desu. When you are firing you actually just get the recoil and cant properly observe the hit. And when you are the observer you basically feel like a cuckold telling the firing guy if they hit the target or not.
>>65195580>look Dads, another non sequitur!!!!
>>65195692i got a boner when i first shot it
>>65192663I'm 80 and by now must have a dozen "slow growing cancers".So - turtle-racing-sport for fuds.
>>65196143Holy shit gramps, how did you find 4chan?
>>65196146I got those freak genetics. Tell people I'm 60 they don't believe it. Fist fucked giant 30yo soft hand office worker abusing what became my girlfriend last year. Took all his shit an sold it. Drove six hours to do it for Blind Girl (41yo) never met before honoring 3yo phone promise to rescue&return her all else fails. In '16 after Hillary lectured me about Blaggs(while standing in my living room too greasy to sit down)(surrounded by wife, daught-law, son-law, four niglets)(sole worker = me) I said fuck this I'm now a repugnican, resarched and Got The Truth about Kikes from /pol. I owe 4chan plenty. U ever curious about 1950s 1960s just ask. Oh - ps- Wife#4 is/was Blagg from Louisiana. met her on phone chat. Drove 12 hours, fought all the men of her family won the prize. She prepared and cooked every critter I ever run over for dinner. If I told you our sex life you'd not believe it.
>>65196195I'm jealous, regale us more with your old-anon wisdom. How's the world headed these days?
>>65196402There was more than enough misery to balance out. 5.5 years in solitary 32 feet below ground lights 24/7 had to watch another guy kill himself by ramming head against wall took 4 days to finish (note - dont take too many drugs and kill your parents) May I ask your geoloc? What I say will vary depending.
>>65192043This is going to sound retarded but why don’t they just make a 84mm gyrojet version? It would solve the concussions
>>65192858Fug
>>65192090>they didn't want to give troops brain damage.Did you read what you just typed? You actually think any Russian brass gives a good god damn what happens to some conscripted peasant's grey matter? You actually seriously think this? That's in addition to the fact that a fair fucking whack of them already have some kind of brain damage from environmental chemical exposure, alcohol and drug abuse.
>>65195008Park rangers used recoilless rifles to trigger controlled avalanches up to the late 90s when they ran out of surplus ammo to feed them. Looked like a fun job.
>>65195027>Same reason why people can smoke, drink and do crack every day but still live a full life.Buddy's dad is 88.He's drunk a case or more of keystone light every day for the entirety of the two decades I've known the guy.Additionally, he had to choose between buying 6 count bulk boxes of vodka handles from the local restaurant supply store, or paying for his glaucoma medicine.Obviously, he decided to just go clinically blind for a year and a half instead of not buy vodka.He had stomach pain for a while, turned out he had been living with 14 ulcers for years. Life isn't fair to everyone. Some people eat a Mars bar and immediately get diabetes.Others have had a persistent non zero blood alcohol content since Clinton was in office and keep plowing forward unaffected.
I just think they're neat.
>>65193692>why were the retards standing around it breathing the fumes, no one was smart enough to nig rig up a chimney? literally cave man techDEI or Nepo-baby officer assigned to base.WTF to do with him/her/it?Put in charge of "base operations" basically glorified janitor. How bad can they fuck that up, we just tents out in middle of Bumfuck, Nowhere, and tents are already up.Officer looking at map in Command Tent makes macho swaggering gesture "we'll burn trash here and monitor from here" like he is doing armored column pincer move on Moscow.Underling "but the prevailing winds, Colonel"."Don't use those big words on me, I gave you an order".Colonel spends rest of tour "creating intel" on a problem he created.
>>65192043Silly anon, you can't become retarderer.
>>65195340>I'm not sure I want to risk getting aidsJust don't fuck the guy who hands you the RPG, dude.
>>65196756the Israelis and mudslimes were warcriming each other up until the 50s, that's one of the reasons why the Israelis were sanctionedthe difference is that the Israelis agreed to stop, so we dropped the sanctionsthe muds still do because terrorism is now their only tactic, and they blame the Israelis for "forcing" them to take and kill hostages
>>65192383Have fun getting discharged for erratic behavior you can't explain. With a bit of luck the damage will be progressive.
>>65192778That muzzle brake makes everything 10x worse. I feel even more sorry for artillery dudes than I did before.
>>65192858>The cool part was when some of the braindamaged artillerymen came home and had disciplinary issues due to having brain damage they got dishonorable discharges and lost their healthcareThe few, the proud.
>>65196773but that's like half the fun
>>65192778I shared that article way back, will post some screenshots. The issue is that a lot of the activities and weapons used in militaries cause brain damage from the shock-waves. And the US military is ignoring studies so they don't have tl change anything. The NYT also published an article about current and former servicemen getting treatment in Mexico using hallucinogens which apparently work, this treatment is illegal in the US.
>>65196826The whole "Charlie-G causes brain injuries"-thing is a fucking meme.I used to work with a guy who was a former anti-tank specialist who'd fired hundreds of full power rounds with these things, mostly because he was an instructor teaching conscripts how to operate this weapon. His personal record was firing around 50 full power rounds in a single workday. He was fine. Zero signs or brain injuries, memory issues, or abnormal behavior.I also worked with a guy in his 50s who'd been a pro boxer in his youth. That guy was clearly fucked up in the head from it and displayed a shitload of obvious brain injury symptoms. So I'm more than aware of how these symptoms look.The boxer was pretty terrible to work with but on the bright side I did get to watch an irate Arab take a swing at the old man and catch the beating of a lifetime for it.
>>65197029Just a reminder that arty rounds are coated in lead paint, and the propellant is usually mixed with literal strips of metallic lead because it reduces barrel wear.So aside from possible concussion-related health risks, these guys were inhaling shitloads of vaporized lead.Nausea, memory issues, erratic thoughts, hallucinations, depression, and suicidal behavior, are all well known symptoms of severe lead exposure. This is level of lead poisoning is more or less standard among AC-130 crews and the air force just ignores it and pretends that it isn't an issue.
>>65197048Ye, but the thing is that the brains sent for study of special forces operatives and other soldiers using weapons that cause blasts show massive concussive damage with the synapse network being completely dead. Essentially you're giving yourself a concussion every time the weapon or explosive is used.
Will post more later if anyone wants it.
You're fine as long as you only fire like 4 in a day. But in combat obviously survival takes priority over feeling like your entire body is getting punched from the pressure so you can fire more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Hernandezgetting smacked in the head a lot makes you go around killing people for trivial reasons.many Blacks encourage young kids to box a lot, and/or just smack them all the time.connection?while Jews are only a tiny % of US military, they account for over 50% of 2 star and over generals.
>>65197084Yeah, I'm curious and want to be spoon fed some curated journalism.
>>65197166Kill yourself, or do some psychedlics or something. Festering away like this without change and taking it out on the world all the time is really just awful. You need to change.
>>65196432I'm from WI. Always appreciate perspective of people sharing their experiences who have actually experienced something. So, like in real life, it's always a trip to prompt an open-ended discussion to hear old folks ramble some wisdom.
>>65197186they say that like Lead Poisoning, there is no 'safe level' of head strikes, just like there is no "safe level" of Jews in a society.
>>65193233I can't compare the SMAW to anything but the AT4 but you definitely feel it when you shoot one. I wouldn't want to shoot/load more than 3/4 a day, personally. I will say that of all the things that don't live up to your dreams/expectations, rocket launchers do. When you shoot it and you see that rocket flying right towards the target, in that moment, you feel like a god.
>>65192231>osha would never99.998% of all avoidable, osha violating shit is never reported and 99.9% of that 0.002% of the time OSHA is treating their codes like a suggestion.The only time they do anything is for serious maimings, deaths, or a federally recognized order.
>>65197343OSHA fags are known for asking ONE QUESTION, and here is the approved answer:"Where is your MDS?""My foreman has a copy in his truck and my company has copy in office (whether on site or home office)".
>>65197340>I will say that of all the things that don't live up to your dreams/expectations, rocket launchers doOne of my dreams is to fire a javelin missile at a target, which is a shame because a single missile is like $250k+.
>>65197343osha doesn't have the time or manpower to audit dod, they are swamped just keeping up with factories, warehouses and construction
>>65196637To be fair, it appears grenade launchers in general are off-limits to the mobniks for how rarely they seem to be using them. Too likely they'd kill someone with the backblast.
>>65192090Why though?, their rpgs seem to get the job done well enough.
>>65197475Serious answer? The RPG wasn't invented for health or stealth. It was a smekalka upgrade to their existing AT launchers. On the measurements of firepower it was mediocre and on the measurement of accuracy it was shit. Traditional recoilless rifles answer both issues. They're simpler, higher velocity (good for moving targets), far more accurate (rifled and no wind-catching fins), and at the time threw bigger warheads. The RPG-is-good-actually meme is a bit of a zoomerism created by zoomers hearing GWOT stories about RPG volleys from their uncles. If the insurgents had been using Gustavs, those uncles probably wouldn't be alive to tell the stories.
>>65197454I want to straddle a tank cannon as it fires like some men feel the call of the void
>>65197490>>65197475>Why though?same reason why the US bothered to develop the AT4, and the Germans the Armbrust; because shoulder-launched recoilless rifles are heavy>>65192090idiotactual reason: they are cheap and light, and the Soviets wanted a weapon that could be mass-produced by the millions and easily carried by conscripts
>>65192090RPG is still in service because of economies of scale, because its fucking stupid easy to use and because its just generally good enough. The Charlie G is objectively the superior weapon, in almost every way, but its more expensive and there is a much bigger skills curve. Also, to be used effectively it requires a two man team, whereas the RPG-7 can be effectively operated by a single solider.
>>65197524True. It reminds me of the M240 vs PKM debate too. The Soviets had one slopped up mass; and mixed their weapons down to the squad because they weren't mixing them at platoon or company, since the whole battalion was the next real level of organization. The Western armies of the time had different specializations of equipment for each level of organization and platoon/company assets mattered.
>>65197524And it gives you brain damage.
>>65197490>no wind-catching finsbut CG munitions do have itnot all tho. i have a laminated remind me card on different munitions if to shoot towards wind or against it
>>65197558Yes, added later. Compare like to like for the timeline.
>>65197563oh, ok. understand
>>65192271>Rapes your drones.
>>65192043no brainno damage
>>65197579semper fi
>>65197509>same reason why the US bothered to develop the AT4, and the Germans the Armbrust; because shoulder-launched recoilless rifles are heavyThe AT-4 is swedish pansarskott m/86 manufactured under license in America. Other swedish weapons in american service are the Mk 110 57 mm gun and the Excalibur guided shell.
>>65195111>Not a big fish fanGay
>>65192090>they didn't want to give troops brain damageThey already had it
>>65197034>I know a guyWell I'm convinced.
>>65197084Interesting stuff, anon.
>>65197616How informative.
>>65192043What if we use an implosion to cancel out the explosion?
>>65197340The spotting rifle on that thing is bizarre. The cartridge originated as a failed British attempt at a subsonic sniper round, I guess in a similar niche to 9x39, and the rifle itself is a primer-actuated roller delayed blowback.
>>65198185>primer-actuated roller delayed blowback>primer-actuatedwhat in tarnation
>>65197184>>65197792
>>65199391>>65199390>NYTrannygo back
>>65199392J*w.
Last one.
>>65199395I thought you're supposed to accuse Jews of controlling the NYT and the pro-tranny agenda?you got your wires mixed, idiot
>>65199399Shalom rabbi!
>>65199392name a better source for non-op ed
>>65199402no single sourceall sources are biased, even myselfread all sources and critically analyse them alland even then, know that you're still probably far from the whole truththat being said, NYT is particularly egregious trannyslopit's like NYP for left wingers
>>65197752>41KiloPascalsWow, it's fucking nothing.That's about 0.004 atmospheres or 0.05PSI.
>>65197034>i know a guy who smokes every day and he seems fine>therefore smoking fine
>>65192383At least take some creatine, helps reduce the severity of concussionsMost of the protective benefits occurs if you've already been taking it before the concussion though
>>65192104Don't have to pay bennies for as long if statistically they are gonna commit suicide in a moment of clarity when they realize how fucked their life is from the brain damage. Or kill themselves slowly via drugs or booze, because it lets them forget about the brain damage for a moment.
>>65199803That's half a bar you retard, get your orders of magnitude straight.
Head/brain injuries are no joke. People laugh about it, but like a lot of shitty things, people think it could never happen to them until it does.
>>65199873BRB, getting irreversible brain damage from the MASSIVE OVERPRESSURE of diving 10 feet down to the bottom of the local public swimming pool.
>>65199899Because a shockwave slapping your brain over a period of milliseconds is exactly the same as a gradual pressurization You fucking retarded fool
>>65199908He's clearly already got serious brain damage, don't bother
>>65192231>Exposure might not give them cancer immediately, but raises risks down the line.How is this the military's problem?Your lung cancer is not service related btw. Neither is the brain damage, and that's probably God's honest truth since you signed up in first place.
shot a cg m2 a couple of times as a grenadier doing my mandatory service, did feel like getting hit by a bat from no direction ir particular, very weird feelingthough the discomfort of firing it pales in comparison to carrying this thing and its ammo on a 3 hour ruck
