>>65192763
Don't know why he continued after the Wagner rebellion. Was the perfect time to just blame the conflict on prigo/mercenaries in general then dip out.

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>>65192772
Why did he fly back?
I hear they did family threats to stop him from the run on moscow but were they still held by the time he flew back? It was a couple months after the rebellion.

>>65192772
Because he wanted that new resource belt in the north of ukriane (or at least as much as possible) and could keep fighting to get more of it. Putin is an idiot, but he's not completely retarded, he knew what he wanted from day -30, the 'russian speakers this' and 'russophobia that' is just convenient excuses, same with how he's trying to pull that fuckhole game in the baltics right now. If he gave up then, with less than what he wanted with the capability on the table to 'get more', why wouldn't he? When ukraine started to really hammer their oil industry, if he gave up then it would have sent a clear message that threaten Russian oil in any severe way, they cave, which he couldn't do. My take is that it's been long enough for him to start saying 'we win' and stop fighting, at least nominally because it's been long enough since the oil strikes got bigger and badder for him that it's just normal now. You give up when it's big news, that's a reason, you 'give up' when it's normal, it's just a dice in the pile.

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>>65192763
There was a leaked MoD map that they use to inform themselves about the ongoings of the war. Its way, way off from reality

>>65192799
this can't be real right?

>>65192763
>no way monke is actually cucking
>no reasons for piggers to give up right now either
idgi

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>>65192805
That's a significant jump up in accuracy.

>>65192805
Its an old map that is dated April 9 of this year, but its source is apparently from private TG chats. So take it with a huge grain of salt. The people that are skeptical yet aren't dismissing it entirely have said that it lines up well enough from publicly released Russian MoD statements. Some people are saying that the scaling is off so its fake. So who really knows

>>65192763
He's not ending the war without either completely neutralizing Ukraine (which would end in nook-nook-ook-ook) or ceding Crimea.

>>65192763
It's pretty obvious that this is for domestic reassurance rather than an actual statement of intent. Still, the fact that Putin feels he needs to do this says a great deal about how the momentum of the war has shifted.

>>65192763
Monke always doubles down in conquest of banan.

And two weeks until what, exactly? They aren't going to unilaterally declare the end of the SMO, it would first start with negotiations, ACTUAL good faith negotiations where they're willing to compromise on something, and that would take months

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so it'll end with a Ukrainian reconquista?

>>65192805
>>65192825
It lines up with the fantasy maps we have seen in videos from their MoD meetings.

>>65192928
>And two weeks until what, exactly?
Til russia surrender

>>65192968
>fantasy football :(
>fantasy SMO :)

>>65192973
Perhaps zigs would start squealing for surrender if Ukraine started rating territory at 10 times the speed they have been moving, though at that point Ukraine would have no reason to accept their surrender

>>65192763
Lol, he's banking on NATO being pulled into the conflict so he can live a couple more weeks under the guisse of "nato attacked ME". But they aint falling for it and are just gonna keep paying Ukraine to drone the shit outa the Russia until they croak.

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>>65192986
> fantasy SMO Legends mobile when?

>>65193099
Why would NATO get involved at all?

>>65193099
100% why the drones hit Romania and why you should expect more drone strikes like that in other NATO countries.

>>65193107
Means Ukie air defence has to be multiplied one way or another

Way to many Jeets and their dogs Serbs here

>>65193106
Those "accidental" drone strikes.

>>65192926
This guy gets it.

>>65192772
I'm amazed he didn't cash in on the golden ticket Trump waved in his face. By Trump's second term, the invasion had already stalled, half the conquered territory had been lost, and the remainder held in a grinding stalemate, of which any chance they had of breaking stood on the other side of hundreds of thousands of casualties and trillions of roubles, and even then far from guaranteed. Then along comes this extraordinary opportunity to negotiate with maximum pressure on Ukraine from its own allies. I can't imagine more favourable conditions for Russia. But instead of taking it, Putin makes a straight bet with his house and car. What a retard.

>>65193118
>Pic
When the US government signed that bill of sale in 1917 they formally acknowledged that Greenland was rightfully and indisputably Danish territory.
They US government has signed at least two other major deals with Denmark acknowledging that Greenland unquestionably belongs to Denmark and that no one else had any right what so ever to claim Greenland as theirs.

>>65192805
>this can't be real right?
I'd believe it, I've read an interview with an russian deserter that was responsible for mapmaking on the lower level and he said shit like marking terrain as taken when the offensive to take it has not even started was commonplace
Also when a mobik managed to slip through the lines all the terrain between him and the main forces was instantly marked as captured even when they even couldn't supply him
Specifically of note was that every time a general or other big wig turned up he had to make special dedicated maps for the guest that lost any connection to reality all together so i wouldn't be surprised if a few of those were responsible kek

>>65192763
"We can no longer attack Ukraine because we often miss and hit NATO, who will kick our ass much more if we keep doing it."

wat

>>65193193
That opportunity isn't lost. Trump and his gaggle of zigger-loving faggots are just giddy at the thought of selling out Europe and doing some sweet deals with russian oligarchs. Trump is always ready to roll out the red carpet again.
Only problem is that with each day the relevance of the USA to the war and the pressure it can put on Ukraine is diminishing. I think Monke got high on his own supply of propaganda, and believed that when Uncle Sam says jump, all his vassals ask "how high?". That didn't happen. If the USA wasn't able to force Ukraine and Europe to surrender and give Putin everything he wanted a year ago, it won't be able to do so now. So he will have to compromise, and he will be able to get a better deal through Trump than through Europe

>>65193297
How will he and Trump come up with a deal Ukraine will abide by? Like you said Trump's ability to influence Ukraine is waning.

>>65193305
By simply revoking aid sent to Ukraine, of which it still depends heavily on. If he pulls intel/weapons drops it will impact the Ukies heavily. As will any conversions made for Ruskie purchase power (for example allowing air components). I sincerely doubt he'll do this tho. Trump had his fun with Ukraine he needed to show his voter base he was such a based strongman he could show those ungrateful slavs who's boss. DESU with you I consider that run of his second term pretty much fed by Ruskie nonsense. It seems like he's gotten the message tho and has backed off. Hard to say if he still is dick riding the Ruskies tho. He swings more than a Thai ladyboy and the sailors they see.

>>65193343
US doesn't send any physical aid. And intelligence can be had from France and UK, whom have already stepped up a lot since the last US intel black out.

>>65193343
The US has “paused” intel sharing and approval of purchased aid, etc, for timescales up to 6 months already though. The French and the Anglos stepped into the gap. It will hurt Ukraine and extend the war, at the cost of even more US prestige, but it will not make Ukraine submit to Russia, and fears of this very threat have caused Europe to prepare for this very eventuality, so it will hurt Ukraine less this time around than it did last summer.

Short of aid to Russia, Trump cannot hand Donbas and the Azov coast to Putikins.

Plus it makes about 40% of Republicans mad, and he can’t afford that shit rn.

>>65193351
>US doesn't send any physical aid
they still sell weapons to ukraine
>And intelligence can be had from France and UK
they won't be able to match how much the US provides

>>65193351
>>65193359
Revoke Starlink, Ukraine's drone advantage disappears.

>>65193343
>simply revoking aid sent to Ukraine, of which it still depends heavily on
the US could do that, but that aid isn't critical anymore.
the extra cost of fighting the war without that aid is still lower than the cost of just surrendering.
the Us threatening to pull aid is at best enough to force Ukraine to accept a less favorable deal. but far from enough to force them to accept a deal anywhere close to what the russians are demanding. and you can bet that the moment the russians learn about that US pressure they are going to ask for even more.
placing that kind of pressure on Ukraine also isn't free. Nearly every other country that the US has defense agreements or sales to will see this as a sign that they have to cut those back and hedge on others.
those losses with third nations would be grater than any gain from forcing Ukraine to give in.
and while Trump can do a lot on his own he isn't able to just do what he wants, he'd get push back and that would in turn take time and impose costs on him to get done.

>>65193362
>they still sell weapons to ukraine
That is not aid.

>>65193365
Restoring it to Russia would do more damage. But it still wouldn’t end the war in Putin’s favor.

>>65193365
a, there are alternative to starlink granted they aren't as good. but they are still better than what the russians have
this would also impose costs to Elon and the US. no other county or even private companies would expose themselves to such a risk if they could avoid it.
secondly even without starlink or it's alternatives the cost of waging the war would still be lower than acceding to russia's demands

>>65193365
It would hurt the Ukranians, but the European alternative is already up and running and will grow fast.

>>65193305
>>65193343
USA doesn't provide any aid to Ukraine. What he could do is end the PURL program, but that's kinda shooting yourself in the foot since you can no longer fleece European taxpayers, open question whether that Nobel Peace Prize is more important than cash to Trumpy.
Cutting intel is a bigger issue, but a lot of talk is that Ukraine is decreasing its dependence on USA intel anyway specifically for this reason, relying more on France and the UK and its own methods of gathering intel.

The biggest threat is ending sanctions on Russia. That would borderline be a declaration of war on Europe and painting yourself as an adversary to the continent. Does Trump have the balls to do that? He's systematically purging whatever neocons still remain in the Republican party and replacing them with brainless, spineless mentally ill cocksuckers, so who knows. The time window to coordinate that with the Kremlin is ending, the midterms are coming. Trump would love that Dubya of ending the war and would be desperate to put whatever pressure he can on Ukraine

>>65193118
>Serbs
rentfree

>>65193383
>USA doesn't provide any aid to Ukraine
>Cutting intel is a bigger issue
intel is aid, if the US wouldn't give it someone else would have to get it and that would cost a lot of money to set up the ability to get it.
>The biggest threat is ending sanctions on Russia
yes and no but mostly no
what russia needs is a big fat cash injection
to get that it needs to sell energy resources at a grand scale
the only place it has the infrastructure to sell more energy to is Europe and they wouldn't be buying.
sure the russians could buy a lot of things they'd need from the US, but how is it going to pay for it? it's sold nearly all it's foreign reserves, no one wants rubles, no one trusts the russians to trust a deed to an asset in russia to be worth the paper it's written on and if you say energy the russians are already exporting about as much as they can via the shadow fleet.
this would also piss of the chinks and they offer the russians more now than want the US could potentially offer

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>>65192799
>Everyone thinks they're fighting in a Russian SMO
>Russian MOD is sponsored by playing Raid Shadow Legends

>>65193383
>borderline be a declaration of war on Europe and painting yourself as an adversary to the continent
Nothing new than. He and Vance said similar things before.

>>65193351
We have and do sent physical aid. We have restricted that flow, but there are open contracts and aid that is still be disbursed (but new aid has not been allocated)

>>65193359
US intel sharing still exists and feeds Ukie troops, it is supplemented by private sources but still exists. I don't believe that Trump can single handedly turn the Ukrainian war (largely due to some European actions), but he certainly could put enough pressure to collapse Ukraine if that was a real objective. Instead he is more likely trying to get them to hand over the breakways (not something I like just the reality of the situation), which can be done. The Ukies themselves are still heavily vested in US financial aid. Pull that pain point and the core of the nation will desire a quicker return to peace (at potential land loss). It's still an open point in the gov and a wedge the Ruskies are using to drive divisions int he country.

>>65193368
It's foolish to believe that the country that contributes more than the entireity of the EU pulling aid would have no effect. It is truthful to say that the current state of aid in 2026 means that the US pulling aid is no longer a single linchpin.

>>65193383
The US does still provide financial aid (has not allocated new, but is disbursing billions already allocated). It has continued contracts already signed for several missile assets AND also has the PURL program.


In general I think the Ukies have gotten themselves to a nice point (but it is 100% dependent on the US to get there). At this current juncture they have more direct say in how the war ends, but it's less around dictating full terms of the war and more around keeping US aid going long enough to dictate terms. They are doing good, but don't get ahead of the current reality nor it's actual factual material dependencies.

DESU about the only truly major impact called out in these responses is the shuttering of Starlink. Of course there's caveats to that, Elon obviously

>>65193297
>That opportunity isn't lost. Trump and his gaggle of zigger-loving faggots are just giddy at the thought of selling out Europe and doing some sweet deals with russian oligarchs. Trump is always ready to roll out the red carpet again.

Trump immediately began attacking the Shadow fleet when the second attempt to get Russia to negotiate and concede on some of their points floundered because Putin made Trump look bad, and people act like that hasn't defined the US stamce towards the conflict since last year. They won't help Ukraine because Ukraine still has suspicious ties to democrats up to and including rerouting aid money to election funds and whom the current MAGA branch of the Republican are waging an internal war against, but they won't help Russia either because Russia has directly aided Iran, Cuba and Venezuela. The US clearly has shifted to "grind them both down and inflict economic damage". Europeans suffering from the oil crisis can't keep supplying Ukraine forever and Russia, getting cucked out of their oil exports by Ukrainian dronings, can't field anything but meat waves anymore.

However, if Russia ends the war now and rejoins the international market, it could swoop in and tank oil prices and make the Hormuz blockade much less painful for Europe and Asia and politically less costly for America but it could also recover from the war much faster and encroach on Europe and Ukraine almost immediately Nobody else wins if the war ends right now except for maybe China. The current state is advantageous for Ukraine because Russia is missing out on their golden chance to become rich and imfluential via gas and oil. Russia might tease peace but they aren't ready politically.

>>65193416
FYI pulled my info from here if you have issue https://www.cfr.org/articles/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine

>>65193416
>pulling aid would have no effect
where did I say that
>that contributes more than the entireity of the EU
now you are just blatantly lying

>(but it is 100% dependent on the US to get there)
lol, lmao even
not the Ukies doing the fighting
not all the direct transfer of soviet arms and munitions from eastern Europe they relied upon in the opening weeks and months
not all the financial and military aid they have gotten from Europe
no it's all the USA
again lmao

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>>65193439
Part of me still hopes for the return of Punished Prigo

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>>65193433
>where did I say that
>>65193368
>>simply revoking aid sent to Ukraine, of which it still depends heavily on
>the US could do that, but that aid isn't critical anymore.

>now you are just blatantly lying
Taps the graphs, provide sources proving otherwise please. You can see mine >>65193423

>lol, lmao even
Who trained the Ukrainian military and allocated gear for them starting in 2015? Who help change their military and reorganize to use NATO tactics? Who provided the necessary manpads that blotted the initial armor advance to Kiev? Who provided the exact invasion date? Who has funded the Ukrainian government in order to allow it the soft power to continue to function in the war? Who has provided the most noted interceptor system that has allowed them to protect their civil infrastructure? You can definitely point to the Ukies own internal drive and soldiers, but the best soldiers in sub standard gear are fodder. If not for the initial US support the Ruskie invasion would have gone according to plan. It's worked plenty of times. It is the US training and information that prevented that. It's not a feeling it's a fact.

>>65193365
AI, machine learning and inage recognition is now available in consumer electronics. It's fairly simple to adapt those to autonomously guide drones at the terminal phase. Inertial navigation has been in use since the 1940s and works just fine to get the drone into the general target area.

>>65193449
Lol. The US did jack shit in terms of training. Look at your graph. Most of US aid is in military equipment and that is inflated due to the "sticker price" instead of the actual lower secondhand price. The ukies did radical structural changes to their military on their own. They abandoned the top heavy Warsaw Pact military structure and adopted the NATO style from the ground up. Most of their training is/was from EU countries while their drone tech was thanks to the Turks. Don't get me wrong. The US gave valuable hardware when the Ukies were bleeding them but let's not understate the fact that the ukies made structural reforms on their own, essentially changing focus trees in gaymer speak.

>>65193449
>pulling aid would have no effect
>but that aid isn't critical anymore
would you care to explain to the rest of the class how those statements are anywhere near the same?

>contributes more than the entireity of the EU
>Graph
please consult your graph and add EU institutions and the contributions of it's member states together
>Who trained the Ukrainian military and allocated gear for them starting in 2015
training, also provided by the Europeans
>Who help change their military and reorganize to use NATO tactics
also the Europeans
>provided the necessary manpads that blotted the initial armor advance to Kiev
also the Europeans, the Poles where chucking those things into Ukraine by the trainload
>Who has funded the Ukrainian government in order to allow it the soft power to continue to function in the war?
as your graph clearly shows, the Europeans
again you where claiming that the only reason the Ukrainians got here is the US
that is blatantly false

>>65192763
I stopped giving a fuck 2 months into this mess. Just glass both countries.

>>65193417
The last Cope of Russia "AFD will win and Germany will attack Ukraine from the West"

>>65193398
You're being pedantic, I obviously meant financial and military aid. Intel is something generally gathered anyway, so it costs nothing or very little for the US to share it with Ukraine. Cutting intel is done only to spite or pressure them

>sure the russians could buy a lot of things they'd need from the US, but how is it going to pay for it?
That's why Trump and his subhuman failsons are salivating at business deals with Russia. Lifting sanctions and selling of goods in exchange to access to Russia's natural resources, building Trump hotels, opening new grifts all over the country, whatever they want. Why else is the "mediation" done by Kushner and Witless? And the US is still an economic juggernaut, the mere threat of secondary sanctions was enough to scare the shitskins into reducing oil imports.

But you're probably right that it's too late to save Snowmalia, but that's not the point, the point is that lifting sanctions is the biggest blow the US can inflict upon Europe, even if it won't win russia the war. But is sure as hell can prolong it and make the final outcome more painful for Ukraine and less painful for russia

>>65193416
>has not allocated new, but is disbursing billions already allocated
Yeah, about that: https://x.com/atrupar/status/2054219183710179574

>Starlink
Similar situation to PURL, it's paid for by Europe (Poland specifically, last I check some months ago, maybe someone else is footing the bill now), so cutting that will also be a double edged sword

>>65193343
The US provides Zero dollars and Zero cents to Ukraine and revoking Intel would hurt but wouldn't do much to change the current battlefield outside of removing some of Ukraine's ability to detect Russia's biweekly drone attacks

>>65193416
Ukraine can hold out until the midterms even if Trump went all in on the "Fuck Ukraine" crowd, Russia cannot conquer enough Ukrainian territory in the next 7 or 8 months it'll take for the Midterms to utterly cripple Trump politically.

>>65193481
>The ukies did radical structural changes to their military on their own. They abandoned the top heavy Warsaw Pact military structure and adopted the NATO style from the ground up. Most of their training is/was from EU countries while their drone tech was thanks to the Turks.
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ukraine-obama-putin-russia-216160
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/06/25/417511636/u-s-army-begins-training-ukrainian-soldiers
https://theconversation.com/in-2014-the-decrepit-ukrainian-army-hit-the-refresh-button-eight-years-later-its-paying-off-177881
>To support Ukrainian military reforms, the U.S. increased its financial aid to Ukraine shortly after Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014 and its support of separatists in Ukraine’s east.

In 2014, the Obama administration provided US$291 million in assistance, and by the end of 2021, the United States had given a total of $2.7 billion in training and equipment.

As part of this assistance, the United States helped train Ukrainian soldiers at the Yavoriv military base. The base quickly became a top-notch training center, where an estimated five battalions have trained annually since 2015.
>One item of particular interest to the Ukrainians was obtaining better anti-tank missiles. When Russia sent T-90 tanks across the border to support separatists in 2014, Ukraine’s existing weapons were unable to penetrate the armor of T-90s.
>In 2017, the United States provided the first set of Javelin anti-tank missiles to Ukraine.
I'm not sure how you believe a nation that was so broke it couldn't even handle policing action somehow completely reorganized, trained from scratch and just materialized weapons not available to them or in their inventory. You are justifying an institutional move that could only exist with the external aid. If even one component was missing in the initial invasion the results would have changed considerably.

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>>65193483
The notion that the aid is no longer critical when they are literally looking for sources for US weapons and actively still receiving active deliveries is quite frankly bizarre.

>please consult your graph and add EU institutions and the contributions of it's member states together
Perhaps if you look at the graph you will see the second position which is labeled "EU Institutions". Beneath it you can see the various institutions that contributed to that second place number.

>https://x.com/atrupar/status/2054219183710179574
>He thinks this means that already allocated Congressional funds are not being disbursed

>The US provides Zero dollars and Zero cents to Ukraine and revoking Intel would hurt but wouldn't do much to change the current battlefield outside of removing some of Ukraine's ability to detect Russia's biweekly drone attacks
Please google allocated and disbursed then consult the attached.

>>65193508
I do tend to agree with this sentiment. I'm not in the business of putting forth unlikely scenarios and even in the most directly offensive cutoff (removal of Starlink) I fundamentally believe the Ukies can hold for at least a year minimum. The reality of that tho is tough to test, especially in the extremely unlikely US yanks everything path. I wish it was more of a sticking point in the US and it does drive me crazy as I view the Ukrainian military as the best return on investment we have spent in the last 60 years. I'm hoping we'll see some plays internally for more Ukraine support, but we'll see.

>>65193498
>so it costs nothing or very little for the US to share it with Ukraine
the value provided is not the cost to the US but the savings it provides Ukraine and it's other backers
you are just being pedantic by changing what you "obviously" said after you got proven wrong
>in exchange to access to Russia's natural resources, building Trump hotels, opening new grifts all over the country, whatever they want
may I remember you what I said right after that
>no one trusts the russians to trust a deed to an asset in russia to be worth the paper it's written on
>Why else is the "mediation" done by Kushner and Witless
because Trump only trusts people that he knew from before he entered politics or that he knows are personally loyal to him
>that lifting sanctions is the biggest blow the US can inflict upon Europe
but that is different from forcing Ukraine to accept terms that it doesn't want to
the same could be said of EU disinvestment from the US. it would hurt the US but that doesn't mean it would force the US to do things that are fundamentally against not it's interests but continued survival

>>65193524
The fact that Russian logistics are reaching collapse stage right now is enough that even if the Ukrainian lines outright collapsed Russia might not be able to exploit it.

I remember how back in late 2024 and I think early 2025 there was a part of the Ukrainian front that had a massive breach when the Ukrainian unit withdrew without Ukraine being able to patch the hole and it still took Russia nearly a month to exploit it simply because of how hard it was to get men to the front.

And things have only gotten worse since then.

>>65193524
you are refusing to answer the question
how is no longer critical and having zero effect the same?
>is no longer critical
because even without those deliveries they would still be able to fight just like they where before those systems where deviled in the first place
>"EU Institutions"
please consult your post >>65193416
>the entireity of the EU
not EU institutions but the entirety of the European Union made up of it's 27 member states. why say the "Entirety of the EU" if you are not also referencing it's member states?
not doing so would also be highly disingenuous since you'd be comparing the US with it's 52 states as single entity but then cut up Europe into all it's individual states
>https://x.com/atrupar/status/2054219183710179574
try to at least refer to the annon that brought that up
following a tread really isn't that hard to do

>>65193449
Kek you can't read a graph apparently
But you are a shill, so naturally you don't care

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>>65193540
I believe that the Russian army is definitely reaching its limits, but what's important to note is that the will to grind is still chugging in Russia. I think personally it's possible they might be able to get enough pressure going, but the Ukrainians have been similarly operationally handicapped and they have been dealing with resourcing issues as well. I do wonder if we'll see a smart EU nation unlock some heli support so they could do a proper VDV push against the Russians (please god it would be so funny). But I have not heard great news from the Ukies vis a vis their manpower. Just good news they aren't bleeding like they did previously. The behind the lines strikes tho, pic related

>>65193547
So in fact you need to stretch the terms to make the EU aid even come close to a singular nation. Amazing work. Provide evidence backing up this claim then.

A twitter post of a retard yelling in Congress does not mean institutional practices are no longer around. Hegseth can not stop disbursement. We literally went through this a year ago.

>>65193449
How many gundams has japan given Ukraine? Even Zaku Is would be a great help.

>>65193556
so you can't say how is no longer critical and having zero effect the same
good to see that you admit to being wrong
>EU aid even come close to a singular nation
you brought up "the entireity of the EU" not me
and yes, the EU and it's member states are the right frame of comparison to the US with it's federal government and states
and again you can't even respond to the right posts

Ironically Medvedev just had a tweet about how "The peaceful sleep is over." I wonder what he meant by that when the Tsar is saying otherwise...

>>65193556
The Ukrainians have been making some limited counteroffensives the past two months or so, pushing Russia back further into it's blasted territory is a pretty big success for them and it further erodes motivation on the Russia side.

The fact that there's a massive dead zone along the front also hurts logistics, if there's a 50 mile wide no-mans-land where everything is destroyed then that hurts establishing successful logistic centers for a major push.

>>65193540
>Ukrainian unit withdrew
I remember that. Wonder if they got court martialed. They ask a lot of the soldiers, but it still seems insane to just pull out from your sector because you're angry rotation didn't show up.

>>65193570
If both sides are suffering logistical collapse 50km into their lines, then naturally gaining a few KM for your depots can still push back your opposition from theirs.
It theoretically works both ways, all that changed is the size of the grey zone and the difficulty for supplying infantry in that zone.

>>65193559
I'm like 70% certain based off the graph that the majority of that is likely heavy generators.

>>65193565
You have yet to substantiate your claim with evidence. Provide proof of the EU outfunding. You are welcome to provide any source.

>>65193570
I've been following the war closely. I've been pretty happy with what they've done this year, but I've also been reading about their manpower issues. I think the Ukies are in a better spot than Russia. I think if the momentum continues they will stay in that spot. I also firmly believe that they can still regain the breakaways. We'll see what the rest of this year brings. If they can crank interceptor production and create a drone defense cottage industry they will likely end up as Europe's most competent military (not a hard competition, but it will be very well earned by the Ukies).

>>65193583
nta, but I think it's important to point out that the Ukrainian counter attacks appear to be mechanized pushes
while the russians have mostly switched to infiltration tactics
that would suggest that the Ukrainians don't face the same problems/to the same extent in massing and deploying those from the greyzone into the contact line that the russians do

>>65193584
>Provide proof of the EU outfunding
that graph proves it >>65193449
add EU inst. with the EU countries and you are well above the US number.

>>65193584
I'd like to point out that France have provided more in aid than Maine has, US btfo

you where referring to "the entireity of the EU"
so add up the number for the EU and it's member states in the graph you yourself provided
or are we going to divide the aid the US has into 50? and compare the state based aid with that provided by the individual EU member states?

>>65193589
I wonder why. Do they attempt to establish local drone superiority, like what zigs did with Rubicon?

>>65193601
Yeah. With their pushes they work to have extreme drone superiority. +100 drones per target apparently. Hunting russian drone units is also highest priority.

>>65193417
Two more weeks zizzy and afd will definitely pierce the 30% barrier and achieve super majority

Trust the plan,
Z

>>65193601
Apparently at the Zaporizhia front the russians are claiming that for very zigger theres something like 60-70 ukrainian drones

>>65193601
a part of it is I think the russian over claims in captured ground
I can see that getting in the way of co-coordinating intel and strikes
but also a more general drone superiority
even on fronts where they aren't counter attacking they have a (very) positive K:D ratio. when you keep in mind how drone driven the casualties of those infiltration groups are and that's basically what both sides are doing
then there's the element of russian logistics not keeping up and having to prioritize.
they clearly value keeping their offensives going more than defending against the counter attacks

>>65193417
>until AfD wins elections
the AFD will never get a majority, and due to the gayass rules they'll get excluded from power
even if they where to somehow form a coalition, they'd not be free to do as they want
nor is simping for the russians their number 1 goal
that and federal elections aren't due for an other 2 years

>monke says anything
>posters immediately start speculating about what this pile of shit flowing out if his mouth this time REALLY means
You idiots haven't learned anything from the past year. Nothing matters what comes out of the mouths of these lying sacks of shit like monke or agent orange.

Only thing that matters is WHAT THE HANDS ARE DOING

In monkes case it's quiet mobilization, ever escalating draconian censorship, increasing restrictions on bank withdrawals, rampant theft of outside monke clan assets and preparing propaganda excuses for a chimp out in the baltics

>>65193584
I'd also like to ad that if you where comparing "the entirity of the EU" population, economy, or anything else with the US
you wouldn't be comparing the number of eurocrats with the population of the US
or the EU budget with the US
but the combined population and economy of the member states of the EU
you are committing the special pleading fallacy by only comparing the EU as and institution with the US when it comes to aid given to Ukraine

>>65193652
>WHAT THE HANDS ARE DOING
aren't they also bombing the shit out of civilian targets now?

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>>65193677
also that

>>65193107
I see Romanians at least on /int/ scream it’s a false flag

>>65193001
Sure they would, if they accept a surrender they get to name terms which means reclaiming all of their territory without fighting for it

>>65193697
even browner than usual 'romanians' you mean

Isn't he just copying the stock market pumping that the US has been doing with its Iran quagmire?

>>65193708
>Russian stock market
With what money is there to pump with regards to government stock market manipulation when nearly 100k Russian workers have reported as not having been paid for months.

>>65193712
>No matter how hard you want to believe, to affirm your biases, Donald Trump is not an agent of Russia, and will not help them at all.
But he'll still try, and that hurts the most of all.

>>65193697
I would not trust anything you read on this website

>>65193398
In order to cut Ukraine off from Intel the US would have to cut Europe off and that would mean cutting itself off from intel services that the euroes provide
If intelligence shared is intelligence doubled, then intelligence hoarded is intelligence halved

>>65193723
Well I wouldn’t know where to see actual Romanian reactions besides the occasional /int/ or that shithole /pol/. Twitter is too bot heavy to see an actual person so maybe a different site?

>>65193712
Donald Trump is so retarded that the only agent he can be is that of destruction, which probably isn't the conclusion you're looking for

>>65193601
I'm convinced it's a doctrinal difference rather than a technical one but ill be damed if I know what that doctrine is
Whatever it is, it gives the ukies and advantage because, as has been the case for more than a century now, if you can bring a tank to the engagement and your enemy can't, you win.

>>65193599
You could do that, but im not sure it would be useful
Personally I'd be a little interested in seeing how aid from individual US states lines up relative to their parry affiliation but I think we both already know what the trend would be

>>65193677
Sure but you should be looking for stuff they are doing now that they haven't been doing this entire time

>>65193417
>Just wait until AfD wins elections.

...and then nothing happens because AfD is controlled opposition. You have to learn the basic tricks of the trade son.

>this many coping mixed race mystery meat circumcised golem amerimutts ITT

your pedophile grandpa leader literally paints his face orange but I'm sure it's hunter biden who shits in his pants in public KEK

noone trusts your nigger nation anymore amd never will again

>>65194013
sorry, ivan. but false flagging won't make russia win.

>>65193613
that seems kinda small to me unless we are talking a quiet part of the front

>>65192763
Places like Russia move slowly and spend a long time convincing their population X is a great idea before doing it.
They have spent the last month slowly pushing the idea of ending the war but I think it'll be at least another 2 months before they actually start to wind down.

As for reaching a deal Ukraine will accept that is a whole other thing, the Ukies have a lot of war fatigue and public support for taking back Crimea has fallen off a cliff. That said I can't see the Ukies accepting giving Russia anything more than Crimea.

>>65194033
Zapo is one of the more quietest parts of the war from my understanding. Once Russia realized that they couldn't push any further than the couple of dozen KMs that they gained in 2025 they just abandoned the idea of any further offensives in the area and left the region to rot.

>>65192791
>Because he wanted that new resource belt in the north of ukriane
Anyone who talks about "Muh resources" always comes out sounding like a 13 y.o. edgelord who belives they understood this world, by succumbing to this case of pseudo objective naivitie.

They started this war for the same reason they wanted transnistria, abkhazia, osetia, chechnya, and back in the 20th century ukraine, belarus, finland.

In none of these cases there was anything thats objectively is super neccessariy and desired, its entirety and fully their retardation.

>>65194044
There won't be any recognition of Crimea as Russian. Ukraine made that clear. It'll be a shitty Minsk 3 type deal, but the objective is to get foreign peacekeepers there. Ukrainians know that Russians will start more wars in the future, so whatever territorial victory would be temporary anyway, so better not bleed out over territories but rather plan for the long run.

>>65193486
and you specifically came here to let us know how less you care
such a good boy!

>>65193486
You are embarrassing yourself by not supporting Ukraine. Failing to support Ukraine is an anti-social behaviour.

>>65192788
It was obviously
>we cut your kids piece by piece and make you eat them if you don't fly your jet from here to here on this day on this height with these people on board

>>65192772
Sunk costs fallacy all the way.

>>65192772
>Don't know why he continued after the Wagner rebellion.
Because he legitimately doesn't know how bad it actually is on the front. The man rarely, if ever, leaves his gooner cave

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>>65194444
Quad quads confirm.

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>>65193343
>show those ungrateful slavs who's boss
You don't think Melania's ungrateful?

>>65192763
>polymarket bets
The only winning move is to be part of the US administration.

>>65194368
The resources thing is really more about other people now having them than it is about russia having them, he didn't want a competitor

>>65194486
Surely he does consider resources and other practical aspects, but the main motivation by far is ideological. Putin has been treating Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics like a checklist. He really believes he's on the way to restore/build the Russian Empire to something comparable to the Mongol or British Empire, while the USA would be contained, Europe neutered and China collapsed.

Whenever people focus on resources they completely miss the point. Again, it's not that they're not considered, it's that people view them as the objective, not a means to achieve the actual objective.

>>65193305
Threaten war with Ukraine if they "attack" our Russian ally

>>65193439
>maneater jew tried to save russia from another maneater jew
This isn't a gambit anymore, this is straight up Esau's clown show

>>65192928
>ACTUAL good faith negotiations
I don't think muscovites are physically capable of those.

>>65192772
Because he's a retard. He behaves like a gambling addict who's positive that he'll win everything back and more if he prolongs it just a bit. Need to do another deposit and everything will now everything.

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>>65193439
He did not, he strictly wanted to take over the MoD, Putin was never in any danger. He remained a loyal lap dog until the very end. Fucking faggot.

>>65193568
He could just be referencing waking up from a nice bender

>>65192791
>>65194368
The resources thing is just rationalization for westerns whom can't comprehend the russian mindset. Yes, resources are an element of this, but like 25% of the issue at most and not directly related. The real reasons:
1. Personal vanity and "place in history books", he styled himself as "returner of the russian lands" and views Ukraine as russian lands, the whole thing. This is based on the overwhelming russian view that Ukraine is in fact russian lands and don't exist as a separate nation or culture;
2. Desire to "rebuild USSR" as an insulated regime because the current regime can't compete on the open market, but you need more people in the internal market for it. Ukraine was an obvious choice to get a fuck ton of people with "similar culture" (easy to assimilate) in one go, as well as some crucial soviet industry and infrastructure.
3. Prevent Ukraine from "going away to the west" fully, which would close the window on future possible options, but even more so prevent Ukraine from overtaking russia in success. There's a long-standing idea in the RU regime that they can't afford to have neighboring countries be successful after a protest-based government change. Because that would be too inflammatory for the russian society. That's why the first major issues with Ukraine started right after 2004 (the failed oligarch transition from Kuchma to Yanukovich, which russian banked on in a big way), with russia doing everything short of actual military action to cause a collapse in Ukraine. And well, before 2014 and before 2022 Ukraine was getting live better than average russia despite the russian shit, so military action was deemed as a make it or break it chance;
1/2

cont. >>65194655
4. Prevent western investments into oil and natural gas extraction in Ukraine. Ukraine has the resources, but even more crucial Ukraine has the pipelines into Europe. If Ukraine starts to extract stuff (which is trivial with western investments), it throws the wrench into the russian desire to be a monopolist on the EU market and wield that position as a political weapon. Why do you think NordStream pipelines and other shit was built? It wasn't about the money, Ukie pipeline was already there and had more than enough capacity. At first it was about putting a squeeze on Ukraine by removing transit revenues from them. Then it was about threatening to cut off gas supplies to Ukraine, since russia would be able to do this once enough other pipeleines would be online. Later it became a question of military preparations: can fight without fearing supplies into EU getting cut off when other pipelines are online. Yes, by approving NordStream, Germany basically green-lit the war in Ukraine;
2/2

Something like this

>>65193697
That's the turdie tier "sovereigntist" crowd that will do anything under the sun other than blame puccia. It's always the EU or NATO's fault in their warped minds.

>>65193568
He means that his coke and booze ration was cut in half.

>>65194368
>>65194531
>>65194655
You're literally retarded. It is about resources, but not a video game reason.

In 2013, Shell signed a deal with Ukraine to exploit their gas and shale oil reserves, it was like $15bn or some shit deal. The reason for this exploitation was specifically 'energy independence from Russia' but ultimately it would mean that Ukraine could, when all infrastructure was set up, be an alternative and viable and 'more friendly' option to Russia to supply EUROPE. Now imagine if that happened, Ukraine is supplying cheaper or at least 'well we're giving money to them not Russia' and Russia could theoretically be cucked out of a very lucrative deal
>b-b-but just sell to India and China
Expensive and not as profitable. But the most important aspect is Russia would lose its CONTROL over Europe. It could turn off the oil and we'd all freeze and eat hamsters.

So Putin couldn't have that which is why, what a FUCKING SURPRISE, little green men invade in 2014 and suddenly Shell gets cold feet over a 'battleground' opening in their area and the deal is cancelled. This is two fold, it prevents Ukraine fucking Russia's trump card and two it weakens Ukraine economically. Which Russia exploited by bribing fifth columnists in Ukraine up until 2022 (FSB leaks said they need 18 months to 24 months more to fully turn the key areas but COVID scared Putin so he rushed it) and it was only due to incompetence that their plan didn't work. The annexation of Ukraine into the 'triple crown' was required as Ukraine was trying to change and align more to the West out of fear of Russia and Russia needed to establish that the Anglo-SATANS needed to bow to the multipolar war (the bonus being China also has to respect us too).

So it was all about resources, but not about controlling them to sell them per se, but to make sure you didn't lose a key geopolitical card.

>>65194722
oh look it's resource fag
so russia is waging a war to prevent Europe from getting gas from Ukraine in turn losing Europe as an export market
you also forget they Europe is already buying gas from other places before the war
or that Ukraine hasn't the capacity to replace russia
but I'm sure a rock is what really matters

>>65194737
I literally gave you an example. But I'll ask you a question then, since you seemed to be retarded.

Okay? Ready? This might be a bit difficult for you, but try. Really hard.

Okay? Here we go. It will be in GREEN text, OK?
>Why did Russia invade Crimea in 2014, a few months after Ukraine signed a deal with Shell to exploit their gas and oil reserves with the specific goal of energy independence from Russia?

>>65194739
>Why did Russia invade Crimea in 2014
because the Maidan protests toppled the Ukrainian regime favorable to russia
also in your 2013 focused schitzo post you forget that the Ukrainain government signing that "$15bn or some shit deal" was in effect a russian vassal regime
why would the russians ever allow their guy to sign a deal they are so set against they'd go to war over it?
ever thought about that numbnuts?

>>65194739
NTA
>>Why did Russia invade Crimea in 2014, a few months after Ukraine signed a deal with Shell to exploit their gas and oil reserves with the specific goal of energy independence from Russia?
Correlation/causation, anon.

This movement was one of many made by the Ukrainians, along with Maidan in general, that moved Ukraine away from the Russian sphere of influence. This is what this is about. It is not about resources. Sure, the Russians would like control over it, but they are doing this because they feel that Ukraine is a natural part of their sphere of influence and that the war would have been over quickly.

You can figure this out swiftly by listening to what russian supporters of the war actually talk about.

>>65194744
Yeah man I'm sure it's 'wild schizo conspiracy theory' to point out that a deal specifically designed for energy independence from Russia had absolutely no effect on Russia moving to prevent that from happening. None at all. As for your 'naval bases in Crimea' you mean th e naval bases already rented at an extremely cheap price by Russia already? The ones with Russian warships in it at the time of the invasion? Those naval bases? Wow. You've cracked the code instead, anon!

>>65194746
Fuck off retard. I guess I'll have to explain it
>Have oil and gas
>Can supply it to Europe if need be
>Want energy independence from Russia
>Sign deal to get this
>This is a problem for Russia because the pro-Russian guy is ousted
>Suddenly Ukraine can now supply this oil ans gas to Europe instead of not
Wow, almost like if the deal didn't happen, it wouldn't have been an issue. That's why they allowed the deal to be signed because it meant that they could still sell their gas and oil to Europe at a better price than Ukraine BUT it was because of Yanukovych being kicked out that Ukraine could now use this deal to supply the EU instead. If this oil and gas didn't exist, that wouldn't be a fucking risk.

Peak Dunning-Kruger.

>>65194750
It isn't about resources per se, as I said. It's about geopolitical playing cards. Supplying Europe with fuel was a key political card that Russia had and losing that when a pro-West leader is in charge who could turn the Shell deal into something to supply Europe was something Putin couldn't deal with.

I mean you don't even need to believe me, the article they wrote on 2024 stated their goals, which was multipolar world order (which I already wrote out) and making the Anglo-Saxons in London and Washington take notice and respect the Russian bear.

To me Russia believing that a "short" war to prevent Ukie gas fields from being exploited and doing a regime change wouldn't be seriously opposed by the EU makes sense. They thought it'd be over in a few months, they'd weather weak sanctions and keep Germany, Poland etc suckling on that has pipeline for decades to come.

>>65194757
>If this oil and gas didn't exist, that wouldn't be a fucking risk.
the risk is that they left moscows orbit.

this is not about controlling things to europe. again: listen to what russians actually say. they think Ukraine belongs to them. they want their empire back.

>>65194722
>In 2013
Russia started active anti-Ukrainian measures at least in 2004. Cope and seethe.

>>65194757
>Can supply it to Europe if need be
so can Algeria, the whole middle east, Indonesia and Brunai, the US ect. ect. ect.
>Want energy independence from Russia
annon the Germans would sign Nord stream 2 in 2015
Europe became convinced of needing to kick it's dependence in 2022 when russia invaded Ukraine
>Sign deal to get this
>a $15bn or some shit deal
>is going to replace the multiples of that being bought by Europe every year up to that poin
lol, lmao even
that also isn't Europe taking a strategic move, it's a private company wanting to develop a resource to make money. probably because at the same time their gas field in the Netherlands was being closed down.
>This is a problem for Russia because the pro-Russian guy is ousted
something you skipped in your first shitzo post and now have to incorporate post hoc like it was always there
missing out on the fact that once again that the "$15bn or some shit deal" was signed in 2013 before the Maidan protests even started an giving that "$15bn or some shit deal" as THE reason for the invasion
>Suddenly Ukraine can now supply this oil ans gas to Europe instead of not
ignoring that this would take decades of developing those gas fields and that those gas fields don't have the capacity to replace russia
>almost like if the deal didn't happen, it wouldn't have been an issue
again a deal made by russias little stooge, the little stooge they could have told simply not to sign it, but didn't.
>Peak Dunning-Kruger.
yea buddy I'm sure your "but it's all oil and gas" is peak performance and not just you being moonbat stuck in 2004
but you are funny, so explain the US and Soviet invasions of Afghanistan next

>>65194757
>If this oil and gas didn't exist, that wouldn't be a fucking risk.
Russians literally seethe that the Baltics live better than them, having to invent turbo-cope about "EU just gives them free money to spite us" and such. Russians literally tried hybrid-warfare against Baltics decades ago. The issue itself is moving away from russia and starting to become a normal country. Resources and economy are just icing on the top.

>>65193365
Except the US government doesn't control Starlink, a man that Donny boy personally pissed off and insulted does.

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>why is a ex-KGB glownigger who constantly praises Soviet times invading a former Soviet state?
>must be the resources (which Russia already has plenty of)

4 years of this shit and people are still replying to vatnik bait

>>65193099
He's banking on this lasting until the next German and French elections and hoping the fifth columnists will win and pull any support.

>>65194793
It's a valid strategy when the loss of Russian life has no value.

>>65194784
>Donny boy personally pissed off and insulted does
Donald reminds me a lot about my mother. Holds grudges and eventually has a falling out with all of his friends

>>65194757
This retard wants us to believe Ukraine was invaded over a trade deal that was signed when a Russian puppet was president of Ukraine. The same president that caved at every demand from Russia, cancelled his promise of EU trade deals and even wrote a controversial law that conveniently happened to give Russia cassus belli.

>>65194658
>Yes, by approving NordStream, Germany basically green-lit the war in Ukraine;
I hate merkel so fucking bad, it's unreal, goddamn stasi prostitute.

>>65194793
What's he gonna do if/when AfD pulls a Meloni and goes "SYKE! the aid continues! thanks for getting us elected!"?

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>>65192817
Putin doesn't use internet. Never used a smarphone.
His morning routine is a breafing with his generals and advisors and then reading all russian official press. (documentary source)
The fucking retard lives in an information bubble
His generals can feed him whatever bullshit info they want.
Remember when Putin had a meeting with the top telegram Z propagandists 3 years ago? They told him the water and ammo situation in some fronts and Putin literally said that he didnt know about any of that and he was going to fix it.
I bet that Putin barely knows about most refinery hits or the drone situation.

>>65194859
why would AFD ever do this? it deprives them of their belarussian slave plantations.

>>65194865
I keep hearing this, and while it is theoretically possible due to Putins self-isolation, why the fuck doesn't have some ultra trusted twinks with him in his bunker that aren't part of the other agencies and military organisations, providing Putin with direct intel using OSINT sources that corroborate or refute reports he is given?
There is no way he isn't aware of his position and information vulnerability

>>65193107
>100% why the drones hit Romania
It's very plausible that it just strayed off course due to GLONASS spoofing.
The town it hit is very close to the border with Ukraine's Odesa region.

>>65193193
>I'm amazed he didn't cash in on the golden ticket Trump waved in his face
Name anyone who has profited by accepting an offer Trump has made.
Not one that he agreed to but one he actually proposed and it worked out for all parties.

Please monke. Invade Baltics. It would be so fucking funny.

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>>65194879
Same reason nobody wanted to wake up Hitler during the night of D-day. Fear.
Imagine being the guy telling him that another refinery, airbase, port or the two tupolevs hit today were hit because our incompetence. Every day. Another bullshit.
And remember that the Kremlin works like the mafia. Keep telling Putin that gerasimov or shoigu are lying and they eventually will send their own people to silence you.

>>65193365
>Revoke Starlink, Ukraine's drone advantage disappears.
It also revokes Starlink's competitive advantage which Musk will be mad about.

>>65193378
>the European alternative is already up and running and will grow fast
If it's needed to fill Starlink's vacuum, it would get fast-tracked and be online even quicker, if only for Ukraine and western Russia.
Then, it will gradually replace Starlink in Europe and eventually be a global competitor.

That's the last thing that Musk would want, or the US tech industry in general tbf

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>>65193497
>The last Cope of Russia "AFD will win and Germany will attack Ukraine from the West"

>>65194902
>Keep telling Putin that gerasimov or shoigu are lying and they eventually will send their own people to silence you.
I've thought about this a lot. While very true, will they be able to reach Putins personal OSINT twink who is two doors down from Putin in the same bunker?
>Fear
Never understood how speaking the truth in the interest of the person it being told to, can cause harm to the person telling the truth.
Just state the facts that refineries are burning, nothing more, nothing less.

>>65193579
>They ask a lot of the soldiers, but it still seems insane to just pull out from your sector because you're angry rotation didn't show up
Typically they discipline the officers and disband the unit and send the guys to other units.

I've read of then sometimes taking a bunch of almost-mutinous soldiers, appointing one of them NCO for the unit to make sure problems get heard about and give them to a really good experienced officer who came up through the ranks, to basically take seriously and treat better.
I think the idea is that guys like that have above-average esprit de corp and can do "normal" tasks well because they know to take shit seriously and not fuck around with defences and preparations and shit.

When you take guys who suffered through supply starvation and failed evacuations/rotations and put them under competent command in an area that isn't getting hammered quite as hard, they can be pretty grateful to have been heard by command.

>>65194902
more like the guards at stalins doors not telling anyone they heard him having a stroke
hitler used to work well into the morning after the reports on the day's fighting came in. so him not wanting to be disturbed wasn't the issue. it was him insisting that only he could release certain assets
even then, taking a panzer division over open roads during the day on d-day? yea him sleeping in saved those units
what appears to be happening is the worst of two worlds, over micro managing like hitler and people being scared shitless of going against the man like stalin

it's also worth noting that hitler didn't shoot his generals. the only generals he had shot/suggested they commit suicide where those involved in operation valkerie. he just sacked those that didn't follow his orders or disappointed him.
if everything did rest on him being awoken and they knew it at that time, they'd have had a marching band in there.
the one you'd want to blame is Martin Bormann

>>65193589
>the Ukrainian counter attacks appear to be mechanized pushes
They're combined-arms operations with heavy drone support softening up and attriting defenders, then the mechanised units come in and mop up the mobiks cowering in bunkers.

All this under EW to keep enemy drones off them and their own FPV overwatch in case Russian defenders attempt to rally.

This seems to usually start out with absolute saturation of FPVs in almost a walking artillery barrage so no Russians can move in the open and they're reduced to scattered and pinned groups of half a dozen or less mobiks.

>>65194909
>OSINT twink who is two doors down from Putin in the same bunker
putin bans just about every bit of electronics from going anywhere near him. he's not going to have OSINT twink sitting anywhere near him with a device that can connect to the internet
>Never understood how speaking the truth in the interest of the person it being told to
because you don't know if they will believe you or have you shot for bearing bad news/lying/bothering them
keep in mind that the people keeping him in his information bubble are people he's trusted for more than a decade or their kids
you'd be some rando, aside from getting close enough to speak with you. why would he trust you over them?

>>65194033
>that seems kinda small to me unless we are talking a quiet part of the front
It used to be 5:1 at most, 60:1 is huge.

>>65194044
>the Ukies have a lot of war fatigue and public support for taking back Crimea has fallen off a cliff. That said I can't see the Ukies accepting giving Russia anything more than Crimea
Nah, they'll manage support for retaking Crimea.
It's a knife to their throat if it remains in Russian hands, places like Melitopol and Mariupol won't be secure until Crimea is liberated. Even if it's basically empty with a military presence and secure checkpoints that make civilian presence non-viable, it needs to be in Ukrainian hands to make viable the Azov sea and Black Sea access for shipping.
The bridge also needs to go or be extensively modified also.

>>65194923
communism and whatever they call it today in russia is so fucking gay and retarded

>>65194909
Nothing happens in a vacuum. The boyars would know about the tsar's personal twink. The boyars wouldn't want the twink to tell the tsar how it is, so they're incentivized to get to the twink and, through bribes or threats, get him to embellish a more colorful story to the tsar. Or intervene in the process even earlier, and preselect a twink that the tsar would want to recruit.
And if the tsar isn't retarded, which at the end of the day Monke generally isn't, he will know that the twink can be compromised. That will make the tsar paranoid about his twink as well, and with a light hand he may chose to 'discard' the twink if he suspects something. The twink may know that as well, so he won't want to get on the tsar's bad side.

That's just what consistently historically happens when when you build a dictatorship on a mountain of lies. Paranoia and distrust and constant danger, meaning people are very often incentivized to cover their own ass first.

>Never understood how speaking the truth in the interest of the person it being told to, can cause harm to the person telling the truth.

If you're in a high enough position to be delivering the information to the tsar, then it is safe to assume that in some shape or form you are responsible for the outcome and resulting information. Meaning it was your fuck-up, meaning the leader can punish you for it. If you're just a no-name messenger, there are many, MANY parties that will want to intercept you can get you to 'adjust' the information meant to be delivered. Since you're a no-name with no responsibilities, it's not like you have much protection in the first place, very easy to make you disappear.

>>65194934
people become paranoid when they have a lot of power because when there are very real people out to get you because of your power you start to imagine more of them
it's just that your average paranoid doesn't have tens of thousands of men dedicated to keeping him safe. so they can't act on their paranoia like they'd want to

>>65194937
so fucking gay and retarded

>>65194937
but genuinely thank you for the write-up, appreciate it

>>65193486
>Just glass both countries.
I agree, both Russia and India need to be nuked without warning or chance to evacuate.

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>>65194478
>You don't think Melania's ungrateful?
I don't think she gives a shit, beyond a few minor interventions that her staff attach her name to for PR purposes.
I think she doesn't think much of Russia, probably because she has experience with Serbs. I don't think she gives much of a shit about Ukraine though.
She doesn't even give a shit about Slovenia and got out of there as fast as she could.

there's also the aspect of even if he was getting better information if that would influence his choices.
he knew the war would be long and costly after the retreat from Kiev and the construction of the defensive line in the south.
would say 20% more cost make the difference?
he okayed the ban on export of refined oil products and renewed it several times. so he knows that refineries are being hit and it's bad enough that they have to ban exports.
would him knowing how far into russia, how often and how badly really make him reevaluate?
no the cost imposed by the false information isn't on his decision making. but on the ground where they have to manage the friction imposed by fantasy and reality not matching.
that we are even discussing this means that they also know this. again this doesn't seem to be forcing a change

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>>65194531
>but the main motivation by far
>>65194655
>>65194722
>You're literally retarded. It is about

It's pointless to talk about what factor is dominant in monke's mind.
We will literally never know, even if he came out and listed all his reasons and told us which one was most important to him, we'd still never be able to believe it.
Or believe that what matters to him after defeat is the same as what mattered to him when he said Go.
There are many "good" reasons why he did it, nobody will ever have reliable insight into his mind and be able to say which reason was dominant at any individual moment.
The best you can say is "if I were in Monke's shoes, I would care about X more than Y or Z".

Get comfortable with never being able to know everything about the world. It will serve you well in life.

Is we getting surp?

>>65194947
That's why democracy and a society built upon competence is superior to manly-man dictatorships. And a system built on competence is very fragile and very easy to undo, while getting out of corruption and dictatorship is an order of magnitude harder

That's what we see Trump speedrunning the USA into. Unlike Putin, Trump is stupendously retarded, so he doesn't even have this high IQ internal paranoid monologue of "can I trust this guy, is he just telling me what I want to hear?". No, Trump SPECIFICALLY only chooses people who will EXPLICITLY tell him what he wants to hear and kiss his ass with the most fervor. He wouldn't even get to the point of thinking of hiring a personal twink (beyond wanting to fuck him), and if he did, he would trust (and fuck) him unconditionally

>>65194909
>Never understood how speaking the truth in the interest of the person it being told to, can cause harm to the person telling the truth
The simple minded associate bad news with the bearer of that bad news.
This is almost always true of dictators like Putin and wannabe dictators like Trump.

Narcissists don't really believe in objective reality, those are problems that you can make someone fix by asserting that they don't exist and must not exist, or else.
So if someone isn't playing along and pretending that the problem doesn't exist, then they're out-of-line and must be reminded how things work in your world.

They don't even really believe that truth exists as a concept, it's just some kind of trick that the so-called "honest" people use to try and make the real players handicap themselves with ridiculous restrictions.
Since they also can't abide the idea that anyone is morally superior to them, they believe that the "honest" people will certainly lie when it's to their advantage to do so and are actually hypocrites who will eventually be exposed as liars themselves.

Liars cannot abide the truth or those that tell it.

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>>65194909
>Never understood how speaking the truth in the interest of the person it being told to, can cause harm to the person telling the truth
You've never worked in hospitality and it shows.

>>65194917
>the only generals he had shot/suggested they commit suicide where those involved in operation valkerie
That's not at all accurate.
Quite a few other senior officers were told to kys, either for losing battles (Paulus) or because they were traitors of one sort or another (Canaris).

>>65194998
Trump is kinda a special case as his narcissistic personality disorder is so fucking severe that it's basically a debilitating mental illness. It's like reading about the mad kings of old who bathed in virgin blood and everyone was too scared to point out the emperor's nudity. Trump really is a modern incarnation of that. I don't think Putin comes close to this, he was just born in a vranyo culture where honesty is suspicious, you don't need to be a narcissist to treat truth with contempt.

>>65194934
>communism and whatever they call it today in russia is so fucking gay and retarded
It's got nothing to do with communism, it's its own brand of mental illness.

You see super-rich become like this too. Living in paranoid bubbles of sycophants and grifting parasites.

>>65195019
>Trump is kinda a special case as his narcissistic personality disorder is so fucking severe that it's basically a debilitating mental illness
Granted but not unique.
Surely you'd agree that there's loads of similarities between Trump and Idi Amin?
Trump is restrained by courts and bureacrats and once-in-a-blue-moon Congress but if he weren't?
He'd look even more like Idi Amin.

Putin clearly isn't a narcissist on the same level as Trump but he is still one, his behaviour over the years, his need to humiliate potential and actual allies and many other things he does and has done, convince me of this.

>>65195009
>You've never worked in hospitality and it shows.
Not that anon but seeing how people act when shopping and being told things they don't expect/don't like shook me to my core. People can be fucking crazy.

>>65193449
>manpads
>amor advance

>>65195016
>Paulus
was promoted in the hope he'd end it but he could have also chosen to get out on the evacuation flights
>Canaris
had acted against the interests of the regime and retired . he only got arrasted of he was named in the wake of operation Valkyrie
now compare that to stalin's purges

>>65192817
>Horishni Plavni
Das it mane? Swimming Mountains?

>>65194985
Not yet.

>>65193107
I wish he'd hit Bulgaria as well so my fellow zigger loving citizens will get a reality check about who they're supporting

>>65192763
I've decided it's not worth thinking about.

>>65195077
>not understanding that the zigger lovers will blame the west for getting bombed by Russia

>>65193713
You see 100k unpaid workers, i see 100k special military operationists cumrade. Net employment balance = zero

>>65194531
You don't even need to dig that far into dugin schizobabble. It's old-fashioned imperialism combined with the fragility of a career gangsters ego. These places once belonged to the pozzian empire and pidor union, therefore they now belong in the kgb-maffia turf. Anything else is "disrespect" and losing face. Which is the greatest threat and insult to a fragile gangbanger

>>65193449

Now lets redo this graph and calculate $ donated PER CAPITA which is something you amerimutts have a hard time understanding from what I have heard. Then America will be at the bottom.

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>>65195084
> that the zigger lovers will blame the west for getting bombed by Russia

Just give the drone wreckage to russia for investigation bro!
(putin quotes from address in op)

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>>65195120

>>65195120
>>65195122
a friendly reminder that in the list of "children" the russians gave that where killed, none where born after 2009
nearly all of them where adults

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>>65195122
Russians will shoot an innocent and then lie while standing over the body, this is a core part of their being.

>>65192763
How is that cunt still alive?

>>65195199
Hiding in bunkers while sending his body doubles out to public appearances and people being leery of killing heads of state

>>65192960
If you get to choose, then the best time to end a war is obviously right when you start losing.

>>65195204
Still, they took 4 (?) shots at Trump, but none at him?

>>65194859
Ain't no way. AfD sucks off Russia way harder than Meloni ever did. They also run on getting NordStream back online. On top of that, their east German factions legit want more russian lessons in school.

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Jannies deleted the thread because it veered too political I guess but a reminder that russia lost MORE irreplacable Soviet archeotech including a fucking TEL.

>>65195142
>Welding trade school where everyone was working on turtle tanks
Still technically a school, lol.

>>65195233
Tbf, a Tu-142 is useless in modern naval warfare, no?
Still a good strike.

>>65195240
it's a potential source of spare parts for the Bears so always a good kill

>>65195240
I think they can carry cruise missiles, and I THINK (big amount of doubt but maybe) one of the 142s was a sub command unit. As far as use, subs still can't shoot back at ASW planes as far as I'm aware so if you can find one away from friendly surface ships (where they operate anyway) they're in trouble.

>>65195250
>>65195258
Why the heck were they so close to the frontline?

>>65195265
Supposedly they were at a repair facility.
Presumably the only facility the russians have capable of carrying out major work on the airframes.
It's the only reasonable explanation I've seen for why they were parked in the Danger-Zone™.

>>65193449
>anymore
show a graph since trump took office

>>65195265
Beats the shit out of me. The official cope from Fighter Bomber is they were actually Ukranian and had been waiting repairs for over 25 years, but strategic bombers don't sit fueled up on taxiways for a quarter century, or hide from satellites that long. As for the TEL, what it was doing there is a complete mystery unless they're bringing out more nuclear triad assets to fling SRBMS at parking garages.

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>>65195274
The only Russian repair facility for Tu-95's is a city on the Sea of Azov?

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>>65194906
>Goal is to denazify Ukraine
>"Surely the actual nazis will help us in this endeavor!"

>>65193193
Unironically Putin and the rest of the Russian establishment probably just don't trust Trump & Co. to keep a deal. The whole planet sees Trump as this wildcard chimpanzee figure who just does random shit with no coherence, there is no "deal making" with him, he might chimp out on the deal like 6 months later (e.g. the entire existence of USMCA or the inexplicable Greenland drama).
Since Putin also probably believes his Fellow Glowies over at the CIA control the USA the same way his KGB bros control Russia (well, who knows how true that might be), he probably doesn't believe Trump is even a "real" leader.

>>65195306
kek this timeline is the best

>>65195307
True.

It's weird to see anyone on /k/ defend the guy, he's consistent only in his inconsistency and seems anti-gun.

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>>65195316
>seems anti-gun.
He's a filthy rich New York elite. Of course he holds anti-gun sentiments.
His retarded comments on that guy getting piled on and shot by ICE are the most recent anti-gun rhetoric he spewed.

>With that being said, you can’t have guns.
>You can’t walk in with guns. You just can’t.
>Certainly, he shouldn’t have been carrying a gun.
>I don’t like that he had a gun. I don’t like that he had two fully loaded magazines. That’s a lot of bad stuff.
Fuck off.

>>65195316
>It's weird to see anyone on /k/ defend the guy
Tribalism and information bubbles. Comparing news sources of different political camps shows a shocking difference in what even gets talked about. With this example, Trump could skullfuck the next Thanksgiving turkey on the White House lawn while Vance gives a performance of Hamlet in Korean while dressed as Santa and Fox News would choose to air instead a segment how AOC liking pistachio ice cream over vanilla shows how much she hates White people
And yes both sides and so forth, but the right appears to be far more skilled at the media game.

>>65195375
>the right appears to be far more skilled at the media game.
My take is that, for some reason, the Democratic leadership (ala Schumer, Pelosi, etc) is way more stagnant and set in their ways than the GOP are. Chalk it up to the 2012 Tea Party, I guess.

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>>65194865
>I bet that Putin barely knows about most refinery hits or the drone situation.
He has to know about the drone situation because his lakeside retreat is the most heavily guarded residence in the world in terms of AD. You don't just put an entire small nation's budget of AD by your mansion unless you are really worried about something.

>>65195026
>It's got nothing to do with communism, it's its own brand of mental illness.
Modern Russia and its society, is a direct result of 70 years of "Building a soviet man", with Putin hismelf being literally the most median possible example of one

>>65195392
>inb4 B& for off-topic comment
From my perspective as an outside observer, the dem leadership seems genuinely retarded and inept.
Seemingly living in some kind of isolated social bubble, completely divorced from reality, still trying to push for policies that were already deeply unpopular a decade ago, then blaming the public when they fail to win any elections.

Meanwhile the the rep leadership seems to be more competent, but suffering constant psychotic schizo episodes where they do wild shit that makes zero fucking sense to anyone, only to do the exact opposite thing the next week, all while firmly denying that their wild actions the previous week ever even happened.
Repeat ad nauseam.

None of them even remotely care that typical average middle class voters just want a decent quality of life, lower costs of living, economic stability, and a government that aren't nightmarish Orwellian glowies working for Big-Tech™, Blackrock, or the tiny hat tribe.

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>>65195434
>a direct result of 70 years of "Building a soviet man"
I'm not trying to say you are wrong, but why have the Baltics and most of the former-Warsaw Pact gotten so much better and Russia hasn't?

>>65195447
Warsaw pact countries didnt even have a planned economy, and were genreally better off by living standards, for an avarage Soviet person, Poland was literally something magical, not even talking about Eastern Germany.

The actual measurement of how good a warsaw/post-soviet country will be, is how much of the Soviet Troglodyte class of people live there

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>>65195453
>The actual measurement of how good a warsaw/post-soviet country will be, is how much of the Soviet Troglodyte class of people live there
>Belarus on one hand vs. Bulgaria on the other hand
Jesus, what even causes this? The Mongol yoke?

>>65195411
You also don't bulldoze your own billion dollar mansion on the coast, but he did that too.

>>65195461
>Jesus, what even causes this? The Mongol yoke?
A society where thieviry, violence and scamming are not considered bad, will be a society where everyone is a violent thieving scammer. Thats in addition to the Soviets completely demolishing any possability of a civil society arising in the area.
Also straight up war on self organisation, good luck deciding to wash the walls of your house from shit without an aproval (noone will give it to you).
And complete moral degradation, creating a situation where a person might not see anything actually bad in murder rape or whatever else, unless its happening to them, but belives they are moral because they quote a children's cartoon about friendship.
WHich is also a very interesting thing about russians and soviets, its the scale of offense they take, if you suggest they might not know something, THEY are the most knowledgable and smart and educated, even if they can barely read and write (which is the case for most russians, they are ridiculously bad at their own language)

>>65195461
What are these points?

>>65195495
Bulgarian stock market. A non-perfect measure, I know.
>>65195492
>Also straight up war on self organisation
Poland was blessed to have a parallel non-state mass organization in the Catholic Church.

>>65195375
The right has figured out that most people don't care what the objective truth is, telling a story that fits their world view ia far more effective. It doesn't help when the left has allowed its own extremists in power to spout talking points that are completely unetenable to anyone anchored in reality instead of telling them to shut the fuck up for fear of offending any of their potential base. Painting anyone that doesn't march in lockstep with those points as an idiotic bigot in their own brand of media isn't helping either, but the biggest thing is they don't have a coherent narrative to sell.

>>65195492
>the scale of offense they take, if you suggest they might not know something, THEY are the most knowledgable and smart and educated
Russian chauvinism is legitimately insane. I know people like to give Americans shit for over-the-top patriotism, but most Russians live in a completely different reality. I’ve heard multiple Russians nonchalantly and completely unprompted go on tangents about how Russian culture is objectively the most complex and beautiful culture in the history of the world. I’ve also heard these same Russians rant about how Russian cities are SO much cleaner and safer than European cities and that European cities “have so much less culture” than Russian cities. Of course, all the Russians I’ve heard spouting this nonsense lived in London.

Russian nationalists actually believe that Russian culture is the only “legitimate” culture in the world, and every other culture is either inferior or made up (“there’s no such thing as Ukrainian/Georgian/Tajik/Kazakh/etc history! They were all invented by reactionaries/bolsheviks/anglos to divide the great Russian people!”). It’s like an entire country of narcissistic schizos where all the normal people are either chased out or intimidated into silence.

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>>65194865
He has trusted agents in the field.

>>65195564
keep trying, ivan. you're losing the war.

>>65195576

He's having a melty over it lol

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Ziggers in crimea are starting to channel Pringles now. What I wouldn't do for a march to moscow from crimea (since they have no gas lmao.)

>>65195696
I await the day when crimean ad has degraded so badly that they can strangle and starve the russians to submission.

>>65195550
>narcissistic schizos
That's what being viking and later mongol slaves does to people.

>>65195713
I mean, it's starting right now with the coastal highway of death. The ferries are fucked already and the bridge is limited in what loads they allow through.

>>65195753
>The ferries are fucked already
Didn't they scrap most of them after the bridge was finished?

>>65193343
>If he pulls intel/weapons drops it will impact the Ukies heavily
He already tried that and it didn't work

>>65193439
He wanted to commit to the war even harder because he felt Shoigu and Gerasimov were withholding resources and using Wagner as fodder (they were)

>>65194909
>Never understood how speaking the truth in the interest of the person it being told to, can cause harm to the person telling the truth.

Go and tell your mom she is fat and losing weight is entirely within her capabilities and self-interest, anon.

Or your brother, that the altcoin he has all his savings in will not moon and make him generational wealth, so he should instead focus on studying.

..then report back to us.

What blew up this time? The ziggers are melting and posting BBC again.

>>65195857
I think it's the situation around Kamianske.

>>65195864
russians in retreat?

>>65195558
>>65195564
>>65195585
>>65195736
>>65195788
ziggers are having an absolute meltdown lol

>>65195867
I'm not sure, desu.

>>65195806
My mom would call me based if I did that

>>65195857
>Crimea is nearing empty on its gas reserves as more gas stations start to dry up. Over the past week people are saying that "you can drive to Crimea, but don't expect to drive back home"
>Taganorag port and military airfield got hit really bad
>Unit responsible for the Bucha massacre got one of its training grounds and command bunkers decimated
>Rumblings about Moscow potentially abandoning Transnistria is starting to go around
>Ukraine is now reporting that one of its newer drones can strike as far as 3500km
>Russian logistical lines in the occupied areas are starting to be mined and become a graveyard of supply conboys
The only really good news for the Russians so far is that Kostyantynivka is under immense pressure by the Russians but its not projected to fall for another few months. That is if the Ukrainians don't bring in reinforcements and reverse some of the gains that the Russians have made since the beginning of the assault of the city

>>65195864
Could also be the situation in Crimea. Apparently ziggers keep driving there, but are then trapped there because they can't buy fuel anymore lmao.

Hopefully they can spare a lane on the kerch bridge for foot traffic.

>>65195896
>"You can fly to Hostomel, but don't expect to fly back home."

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>>65195896
>Rumblings about Moscow potentially abandoning Transnistria is starting to go around
Oh, shit! Really?

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>>65195907
Yeah it's an ongoing discussion in zigger telegrams.

>>65195921
There's an Anglophone guy living in Moldova who I follow on Substack, and he hasn't mentioned anything about this yet.

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>>65195921
>Years long marinade

>>65195929
For me, the self-awareness about a Russian passport being useless in Europe was funny.

>>65195907
>>65195921
>>65195924
Take it with a huge grain of salt to be fair. But my understanding of the Transnistria situation is that Moldova will begin taxing the former's corporations, imports and exports starting 2030. Which will essentially kill the regions already heavily stagnating economy. Moldova is also doing everything in its power to defang the political blocks that govern the breakaway region along with separating itself from the regions stranglehold on its power grid. And since Modolva wants to join the EU (or become a part of Romania again.) It NEEDS to resolve Transnistria relatively quickly

>>65195921
They are beginning to understand.

>>65195932
more than that the bitterness about it
here you are russian national, mighty bear and your papers are worth shit, fucking belgians are worth more
how dare such small gay countries not value the mighty bear, they should fear you

>>65195952
It's not bitterness it's actually a massive inferiority complex combined with unhealthy amounts of chauvinism that's ravaging their minds.

>>65195944
>https://www.moldovamatters.md/
Allow me to recommend this Substack.
TLDR: Transnistria's economy was based on free Russian gas and selling consumer goods into the EU, and not paying taxes. That's over now.

>>65195962
I I'm aware of the gas deal that Trannyland had with Russia. I was talking about the potential withdrawal of Russian troops from the region. I don't doubt that it would happen in the future, but its more than likely years away (10+ years) and not happening within the next 1-5 years.

>>65195944
>2026
>Moldova is going to invade Trannynistria
>It consists of three T-62s and one [1] Lada
>The gypsy blitzkrieg still reaches the Dniester in three hours
>Air defence cuckold is joined by navy cuckold and air force cuckold
>Maia Sandu reunites with Romania and leads the EU into the tausend jahre Reich

>>65195973
>the potential withdrawal of Russian troops from the region.
Other than a chunk of the officers, aren't all the soldiers locals?

>>65195974
>>The gypsy blitzkrieg still reaches the Dniester in three hours
Anon... the river is the Inner-Moldova border...

>>65195988
Ah fine, the Ukrainian border in 36 hours. 30 of that was stealing all the wheels in Tiraspol

>>65195447
Balts were independent before the occupation and have never been vatnik. Neither culturally, mentally or even on a genetic level. Pidors to them are as alien as mongols in their back yards

>>65195980
Its a mixed bag. There's about 1.5k Russian "peacekeepers" in the region, but the region itself has a force of roughly 5k soldiers with dubious levels of training along with 15-20k for reserves. The armored vehicle fleet is both miniscule and sorely outdated and won't last very long against a more modernized force. As for the officer corps, I think those dudes would bail the moment the opportunity allowed them to were Moscow to offer them positions in the Russian armed forces (I'd also wager that the Tranny armed forces and Russian Peacekeepers would just surrender after a few hours of suffering from a heavy enough bombardment of artillery and drones)

>>65195783
As of early 2025 there were no russian railcar ferries operational in the Black sea, I don't know if any of them have been repaired but since several sunk I'm guessing not.

>>65195921
>Gleiwitz
Typical, they will accuse other of doing false flag

>>65195857
Tupolevs, a shadow fleet tanker, oil depots, m-14 closed due to aids, a russian training ground 100km behind the lines (21 times!), crimea is out of gas, and the systematic shutdown of russian refineries continues to accelerate.

>>65194457
Based

>>65194531
>Whenever people focus on resources they completely miss the point.
Resources are part of the point. Russia doesn't need the Donbass resources, but Europe does, and the Donbass resources mostly overlap with the things Europe used to buy from Russia. It was about keeping them out of Europe's hands. And yes, territorial expansion. But blocking European access was a huge part of it.

>>65195316
It's cause America has this retarded 2 party system so you're basically forced to choose the lesser of two evils.

>>65195921
>unknown drone that fell on Romania was clearly flying from Gleiwitz
Is that genuine belief or is it a tongue in cheek reference to a false flag?

>>65196084
probably just saying it's a false flag from nato
I fucking wish, I'd much prefer that over this chicken shit attitude that has contributed to the war dragging on this long. We could be watching russian warlords with their own little armies/PMCs fighting on the streets of moscow. It could've been prigo's moscow excursion x100
Instead we get some fucking buryat who's never seen a tv before trying to wack a drone with a stick, and horse drawn carts. Man, what the hell.

>>65196049
why doesn't the independent head of state (king or whatever) dissolve the government or call elections? Or his own party could declare no confidence and elect a new prime minister?

Most democracies have this independent fail safe.

>>65196209
>Most democracies have this independent fail safe
The US doesn't

>>65196241
>The US doesn't
Impeachment is supposed to serve that function.

>thread about Russian embarrassment
>hard attempt to divert to divide & conquer/American politics
Hmmmmmmm.

>>65195219
>If you get to choose, then the best time to end a war is obviously right when you start losing
Unfortunately, by that point, it's up to the enemy when it ends.

>>65196259
>>65196241
well if your country doesn't have these basic independent fail safe to remove a tyrant, like Australia, UK, canada, japan, etc then america is going to become like every other republic ie. Russia, Africa, ancient rome, where some strong man comes to the fore.